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Post by jadebaby88 on May 27, 2021 0:26:05 GMT
So I've played ME through many many times over the years, with many different paths chosen and outcomes reached. But one thing always remained the same. I always romanced Liara.. Aside from BioWare insinuating it's the "canon" choice with the effort they put into the romance. I'd always just felt she did more for you than anyone else did. She was there for you through thick and thin and even risked her life to retrieve your corpse and resurrect you (ala redemption). Not only that but it always excited me tremendously to be involved in a sexual encounter than was something more than just physical sex (mind melding).
However, with the Legendary edition, I feel obligated to try and see the game with new eyes. I feel to further broaden my experience with the game, the only thing left for me to do is romance different characters. So I've thought about doing a Kaidan/Garrus/Kaidan or a Kaidan/no one/Kaidan, or a Kaidan/Garrus/Garrus. Except I keep running into issues with how I feel about the characters.
Garrus, for starters, has always been totally bro-zoned for me, not only that but the only time to initiate the romance is after he tells you a sex story from his time in the military and I feel like the relationship goes from 0 to 100 at that point, kind of jarring.
And while Kaidan doesn't actually turn me off like he does to some girls (being a sort of whiny drama dude), there is one thing that's stopping me from romancing him. It's the way he treats Shepard in ME2 and how unapologetic he is about it in ME3. Not only did he do nothing to try and even recover your body, but he also leaves it to you to basically grovel back to him in ME3 with how you react about the whole Cerberus alliance. What a dick!
So while I've metagamed some of the stuff about the relationships, I have no idea about the juicy "ins and outs" of them. I do know that Garrus is the "friends-first" dorky sort of romance while Kaidan is the adult erotic novel romance. However, even as a straight woman IRL, I can't bring myself to romance anyone except Liara. She just did SO much for Shepard that no one else ever did. That and I guess being a nerd myself I can relate to her book smarts a bit.
I guess at the end of the day I guess I have two questions.
1. Does it make me less of a Mass Effect fanatic if I've only ever romanced the one character? Whether it be a paragon/renegade or somewhere in between playthrough? Or does the heart just want what it wants?
2. What is your all-time femshep romance and why?
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Post by dragontartare on May 27, 2021 1:15:52 GMT
She was there for you through thick and thin and even risked her life to retrieve your corpse and resurrect you (ala redemption). I don't agree with this take at all. She handed Shepard's body over to the enemy for purely selfish reasons, and then didn't even join on to help her, knowing that Shepard was at the mercy of Cerberus. But you do you. It's the way he treats Shepard in ME2 and how unapologetic he is about it in ME3. Yeah, I don't like that about Kaidan either. I also don't like how he accuses Shepard of sending mixed signals in ME1. Just happened to me yesterday. I'd barely talked to him at all, but I guess I forgot that you need to avoid paragon options with him or you risk him going all mIxEd SiGnAlS on you I was going to let him live this playthrough, but maybe I'll save Ashley instead, just for that. Garrus, for starters, has always been totally bro-zoned for me, not only that but the only time to initiate the romance is after he tells you a sex story from his time in the military and I feel like the relationship goes from 0 to 100 at that point, kind of jarring. Eh, it doesn't go from 0 to 100, though. They're setting up a friends with benefits situation, and they already have been through hell together by that point. Plus, Garrus is the first one on the Cerberus crew that Shepard can really trust. He is there for her and for her only. That scene is more them going from 50 to 70 1. Does it make me less of a Mass Effect fanatic if I've only ever romanced the one character? Whether it be a paragon/renegade or somewhere in between playthrough? Or does the heart just want what it wants? Nah. Not gonna gatekeep what makes a Mass Effect "fanatic." Gatekeepers suck. 2. What is your all-time femshep romance and why? Garrus is my all-time favorite gaming romance, period. It's dorky in ME2, absolutely. But the way it evolves in ME3 is just...*chef's kiss*
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Post by Curious Crow on May 27, 2021 1:19:57 GMT
1. Nah. Even if you always played the game with the same character and did all the same choices, you're just as valid as someone who's tried out all the permutations. That being said, branching out is never bad.
2. Jacob, so yeah maybe my opinions aren't that valid. A large part of it is because he was the romance of my favorite Shepard, but honestly I just like him. Do wish you could react to his arc less like a wet blanket, but what can you do. But even with all that mess, he's still at the top of my list, mostly because I just don't like the other options.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 27, 2021 1:42:47 GMT
1. Does it make me less of a Mass Effect fanatic if I've only ever romanced the one character? Whether it be a paragon/renegade or somewhere in between playthrough? Or does the heart just want what it wants? 2. What is your all-time femshep romance and why? Not at all. There are a lot more to these games than the romances, which only make up a tiny percentage of the runtime even with the ones hat have the most content. 2. Kelly Chambers. She is a genuinely good person, cares deeply about you (even to the point of willing to let you go be with another for your happiness), has a sweet personality, cute, and for me the only romance in the trilogy that doesn’t force sex (writer said it is up to the player’s interpretation).
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Post by Trilobite Derby on May 27, 2021 6:14:19 GMT
If you haven't and you want to branch out, I highly recommend doing the Garrus-mance without involving Kaidan at all.
He actually has more lines about the romance and a less awkward resumption than Liara in 3, and I'm a sucker for buddies to a couple romances anyway.
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Post by colfoley on May 27, 2021 8:29:28 GMT
1. I generally stick to the same two Shepards over and over again pretty much how I do it with any of my RPGs really and well with one specific Shepard that I tend to favor even more...and well I am playing through her again right now as of right now for my first run through the LE and maybe my second run through the LE as a whole too. So yeah no real problem with me for doing the same one over and over again. 2. Speaking of meta gaming though my favorite 'romance' between FemShep and anyone would be James Vega. Now I know this is not really a romance in the game or at least an official one but he has such great chemistry with my own Fem Shepard that I cannot help but think they would have a relationship, after the war.
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Post by quarianmasterrace on May 27, 2021 15:07:21 GMT
Javik. Because there's at least one thing primitives are good at.
But really it's Garrus. He has the best arc to his romance in 3, whereas Thane/Jacob are dropped and Kaidan is written kind of OOC.
Since you already like Liara's, a Liara/Liara/Traynor is another I find compelling, prob my 2nd favourite.
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Post by nogroson on May 27, 2021 20:25:36 GMT
1. I agree with most of the others have already said, there is nothing bad in sticking with the same romance, I also do mostly that, and there is much more to the trilogies that romances. Still I would suggest you to give a try to some of the alternatives ... which lead to ...
2. I would suggest you to try a Liara/Kelly/Traynor romance. Kelly has really a sweet personality and I really liked the Traynor romance in ME3
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Post by Shinobu on May 28, 2021 4:00:34 GMT
1. What they said. 100+ hours is too long to spend on a romance you don't enjoy, so if you're not feeling it, there's no shame in going with something you know you'll like.
2. Between Kaidan and Garrus I'll always favor Garrus. Kaidan calls Shepard a traitor to her face and accuses her of betraying him in ME2. Then in ME3 he "forgives her for cheating," which was incredibly uncomfortable. He would be best as a sole romance or a new romance in ME3. I'm not sure where you got the idea Kaidan's romance is erotic, because I didn't really find it so. The beginning of Garrus' romance is admittedly weird as Shepard propositions him out of the blue, but it's apparent early on that their relationship means a lot to him. He is super supportive in ME3 and you know he's in it for the long haul. His romance scenes aren't revealing at all, but Garrus talks a much better game than Kaidan and his smooth voice doesn't hurt. That being said, if you're not able to bring yourself to romance either, try playing male Shepard and romancing Jack, Miranda, or Tali (or Kaidan). If your femSheps always romance Liara, it may be easier to try something new if you're playing as broShep.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jun 2, 2021 12:58:41 GMT
For FemShep....I would typically always choose Kaiden in ME 1, fly solo in 2 and then go for Sam Traynor in 3, because like Ash does in 2, Kaiden really puts your down pretty hard on Horizon. Or fly solo all the way until I meet Traynor in 3, since FemShep can't romance Jack.
For ManShep...When I first played ME 1, I was devoted to Ash all the way through...then in 2, even after she broke my heart I would try to stay loyal...And in 3, I would try to 'kiss and make up'. Then one day I decided to try something different; one day I thought "forget Ashley, she treated you like garbage on Horizon and she broke up with you, "case closed. Full stop" and she made it very clear that she doesn't want anything to do with you, even continuously giving you the Nth Degree and throwing shade your way in 3.....so then one day while playing 2, I decided to start romancing Jack...and Jack has been my "go to girl" ever since.
In my most recent Trilogy PT, I was on my way to 'friend-zoning' Ash and flying solo into 2, being that 'space pirate' she would later refer to me as in 3, so that when I met Jack I could commit to her without guilt or strings. But I have to start from the beginning of 1 all over again....But I will endeavour to do the PT like that again.
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Post by 14thcommander on Jun 3, 2021 14:43:53 GMT
She was there for you through thick and thin and even risked her life to retrieve your corpse and resurrect you (ala redemption). I don't agree with this take at all. She handed Shepard's body over to the enemy for purely selfish reasons, and then didn't even join on to help her, knowing that Shepard was at the mercy of Cerberus. But you do you. I don't agree, yes her reasons are selfish, but it's because she couldn't live without Shepard as she said so herself. And if Cerberus were the only people willing to try and bring Shepard back, Liara was going to risk that. Shepard was dead, there was no harm in trying and hoping Cerberus could do the impossible. Not to mention, if Liara hadn't literally scoured space to find Shepard's body, it would have been handed over to the Collectors. A worst fate IMO. Liara went above and beyond for Shepard. Besides, Shepard used Cerberus' resources for an entire game, Liara used them for their resources as well, it's literally the same and they were both right to do so.
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Post by dragontartare on Jun 3, 2021 18:22:47 GMT
I don't agree with this take at all. She handed Shepard's body over to the enemy for purely selfish reasons, and then didn't even join on to help her, knowing that Shepard was at the mercy of Cerberus. But you do you. I don't agree, yes her reasons are selfish, but it's because she couldn't live without Shepard as she said so herself. That is understandable if they romanced, but not for playthroughs where they didn't have a close relationship. Can you imagine anyone else saying they couldn't live without their boss, so they were going to turn said boss's corpse over to an evil corporation to do experiments on? But Liara isn't the only one taking the risk here, and as I said, she didn't even join Shepard to help out. What about Shepard's risk? Suppose Miranda had gotten her way with the control chip? Suppose Shepard had been brought back so different that she was no longer recognizable to herself? What if she'd ended up indoctrinated like the rest of the Cerberus agents? There absolutely could have been harm in letting Cerberus try. Some things are worse than death. The choices aren't limited to "find body and give to Cerberus," and "let collectors find body." If collectors were Liara's concern, she could have found Shepard and made sure she got a proper cremation.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jun 3, 2021 20:10:25 GMT
1. You could always try out Thane or Jacob if you aren't feeling the Kaidan and Garrus romances. There's also the "mini" romances of Kelly, Traynor, and Samara (only paragon tho RIP). Or you could die to Morinth which was hilarious cause I wasn't expecting that.
But no it doesn't make you less of a fan if you only romance Liara. However, I do think FemShep misses out a bit in the romance department because other than Garrus, I don't really care for the rest of the dude romances and only DudeShep gets Ashley, Jack, Miranda, and Tali.
2. Ashley. I used to be full on hardcore ASHLEY ONLY. But the more I play, I can see how people would be annoyed by her. And it's not the alien/racist (cause I still thinks that's false) thing for me it's the ME2 writing/sidelining and the beginning/sidelining in ME3. She's constantly questioning Shepard in the beginning of ME3 and it annoys me and then she's gone for a massive amount of the game AGAIN.
So now, since I prefer FemShep as Shepard anyways, I've kind of gone to *no romance* as my canon romance lmfao. Which is sad because I love Jack and wanna be space pirates with her or bring about ABSOLUTE JUSTICE with Samara, but I can do neither of these things as a Renegade FemShep. So I kinda just flirt with everyone and blow shit up with Garrus and that's that. lol
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Post by 14thcommander on Jun 3, 2021 20:46:53 GMT
I don't agree, yes her reasons are selfish, but it's because she couldn't live without Shepard as she said so herself. That is understandable if they romanced, but not for playthroughs where they didn't have a close relationship. Can you imagine anyone else saying they couldn't live without their boss, so they were going to turn said boss's corpse over to an evil corporation to do experiments on? But Liara isn't the only one taking the risk here, and as I said, she didn't even join Shepard to help out. What about Shepard's risk? Suppose Miranda had gotten her way with the control chip? Suppose Shepard had been brought back so different that she was no longer recognizable to herself? What if she'd ended up indoctrinated like the rest of the Cerberus agents? There absolutely could have been harm in letting Cerberus try. Some things are worse than death. The choices aren't limited to "find body and give to Cerberus," and "let collectors find body." If collectors were Liara's concern, she could have found Shepard and made sure she got a proper cremation. It makes sense either way, Shepard was not just their boss. Like Joker said, they were Shepard's crew and they were like a family. Shepard meant the world to all of them I don't think you have to be in love with someone to want them back alive. I agree that her not joining was stupid, they could have added her instead of Kasumi as DLC and it would have made sense that the LotSB would be her recruitment and loyalty mission but noooooooo they added some randoms to be killed off in the SM. I like to chalk that up to bad planning but that's just me. I don't get what you mean by that, Cerberus was the one to give Liara the intel where to find Shepard's body and she wanted the body or it would have gone to the Collectors. Then she gave it to Cerberus because they said they could bring her back. Cerberus manipulated her emotionally, that's what they do. I'm not saying she's better than any other crew member, but they all loved Shepard very much. Whether you romance Ashley/Kaiden or not, they always say "I would have gone anywhere with you." that could be taken romantically or not as well, because it's love and dedication. They also still didn't join her.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jun 3, 2021 21:02:45 GMT
That is understandable if they romanced, but not for playthroughs where they didn't have a close relationship. Can you imagine anyone else saying they couldn't live without their boss, so they were going to turn said boss's corpse over to an evil corporation to do experiments on? It makes sense either way, Shepard was not just their boss. Like Joker said, they were Shepard's crew and they were like a family. Shepard meant the world to all of them I don't think you have to be in love with someone to want them back alive. I know me and you argue this every day lmao, but I'm still gonna input my thoughts on the first point here. If you recruit Liara last, like I typically do since I'm not too fond of her (at least in the first two games. I like her better in 3), there's no way she's "like family" to Shepard or anyone else on the crew because you literally have her for Ilos and the Citadel battle and that's it. Creeper/Stalker alert!!
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Post by dragontartare on Jun 3, 2021 23:50:20 GMT
It makes sense either way, Shepard was not just their boss. Like Joker said, they were Shepard's crew and they were like a family. Shepard meant the world to all of them I don't think you have to be in love with someone to want them back alive. Even if a friend died, I think it's bizarre to hand their body over to the literal enemy to do whatever they want with. Liara had no reason to trust Cerberus, considering what they'd done in the first game. Liara had every reason to believe that Cerberus would do something awful with Shepard, and then Shepard would be left to deal with the consequences (if she were even brought back with enough awareness to understand what had happened). And Liara put someone she supposedly cares about in that situation? I agree that her not joining was stupid, they could have added her instead of Kasumi as DLC and it would have made sense that the LotSB would be her recruitment and loyalty mission but noooooooo they added some randoms to be killed off in the SM. I like to chalk that up to bad planning but that's just me. Yes, it's definitely bad planning. Unfortunately, that bad planning makes Liara look incredibly selfish (at best) to me. I kind of preferred it when I hadn't yet played LotSB and didn't know that information. I don't get what you mean by that, Cerberus was the one to give Liara the intel where to find Shepard's body and she wanted the body or it would have gone to the Collectors. Then she gave it to Cerberus because they said they could bring her back. Cerberus manipulated her emotionally, that's what they do. Is this referring to the last paragraph? I thought you were saying that if Liara didn't give Shepard's body to Cerberus, then the collectors would have gotten Shepard instead. But I don't see why that's true. Liara could have found Shepard's body and then... not given it to Cerberus. Then it would have been Liara's risk to take, because Cerberus would probably come after her. That would also mean that Shepard stays dead, which sucks, but Liara couldn't know that everything would turn out fine with Shepard 2.0. She should have instead considered what they learned about Cerberus while hunting Saren, and considered the very high likelihood that Cerberus would use Shepard's body for something horrible. Whether you romance Ashley/Kaiden or not, they always say "I would have gone anywhere with you." that could be taken romantically or not as well, because it's love and dedication. They also still didn't join her. I'm not thrilled with the way Ashley/Kaidan treated Shepard in ME2 and even ME3, but they aren't the ones who handed Shepard over to Cerberus to begin with. Also, I wonder if jadebaby88 will ever come back to tell us whether Shepard will get properly calibrated this playthrough
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Post by Shinobu on Jun 4, 2021 1:15:00 GMT
There was a humorous comic by QueenSimia where Shepard flashed her boobs at Garrus, saying "calibrate these guns!" and he had no idea what she was talking about. Her twitter
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Post by 14thcommander on Jun 4, 2021 2:53:20 GMT
It makes sense either way, Shepard was not just their boss. Like Joker said, they were Shepard's crew and they were like a family. Shepard meant the world to all of them I don't think you have to be in love with someone to want them back alive. Even if a friend died, I think it's bizarre to hand their body over to the literal enemy to do whatever they want with. Liara had no reason to trust Cerberus, considering what they'd done in the first game. Liara had every reason to believe that Cerberus would do something awful with Shepard, and then Shepard would be left to deal with the consequences (if she were even brought back with enough awareness to understand what had happened). And Liara put someone she supposedly cares about in that situation? I agree that her not joining was stupid, they could have added her instead of Kasumi as DLC and it would have made sense that the LotSB would be her recruitment and loyalty mission but noooooooo they added some randoms to be killed off in the SM. I like to chalk that up to bad planning but that's just me. Yes, it's definitely bad planning. Unfortunately, that bad planning makes Liara look incredibly selfish (at best) to me. I kind of preferred it when I hadn't yet played LotSB and didn't know that information. I don't get what you mean by that, Cerberus was the one to give Liara the intel where to find Shepard's body and she wanted the body or it would have gone to the Collectors. Then she gave it to Cerberus because they said they could bring her back. Cerberus manipulated her emotionally, that's what they do. Is this referring to the last paragraph? I thought you were saying that if Liara didn't give Shepard's body to Cerberus, then the collectors would have gotten Shepard instead. But I don't see why that's true. Liara could have found Shepard's body and then... not given it to Cerberus. Then it would have been Liara's risk to take, because Cerberus would probably come after her. That would also mean that Shepard stays dead, which sucks, but Liara couldn't know that everything would turn out fine with Shepard 2.0. She should have instead considered what they learned about Cerberus while hunting Saren, and considered the very high likelihood that Cerberus would use Shepard's body for something horrible. Whether you romance Ashley/Kaiden or not, they always say "I would have gone anywhere with you." that could be taken romantically or not as well, because it's love and dedication. They also still didn't join her. I'm not thrilled with the way Ashley/Kaidan treated Shepard in ME2 and even ME3, but they aren't the ones who handed Shepard over to Cerberus to begin with. Also, I wonder if jadebaby88 will ever come back to tell us whether Shepard will get properly calibrated this playthrough Yeah sorry too much of a boomer to figure out how to multi quote lmao But I think you're thinking that Liara would either be naive to think Cerberus would not do weird things to Shep, or that she knew they would. IMO, she knew the risk but was willing to take it considering Shepard was already dead. I think the issue is the reason they gave in the game, I think it would have been so much better should she have said "The Reapers are still coming and you're the only one who gives a damn. I couldn't lose you and neither can the rest of the galaxy." Personally I don't see her actions as bad, I get why she did it and I'm fine with it. But I get why people wouldn't trust her after that.
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Post by 14thcommander on Jun 4, 2021 2:54:28 GMT
It makes sense either way, Shepard was not just their boss. Like Joker said, they were Shepard's crew and they were like a family. Shepard meant the world to all of them I don't think you have to be in love with someone to want them back alive. I know me and you argue this every day lmao, but I'm still gonna input my thoughts on the first point here. If you recruit Liara last, like I typically do since I'm not too fond of her (at least in the first two games. I like her better in 3), there's no way she's "like family" to Shepard or anyone else on the crew because you literally have her for Ilos and the Citadel battle and that's it. Creeper/Stalker alert!! YOU JUST HATE HER CAUSE OF THE TENTACLES
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Post by dragontartare on Jun 4, 2021 3:42:08 GMT
Yeah sorry too much of a boomer to figure out how to multi quote lmao If you're on a computer, just highlight the section you want to quote, and "quick quote" will pop up. Click that and the quote will be added to your reply. If you're on a mobile device, though, forget it. IMO, she knew the risk but was willing to take it considering Shepard was already dead. I'm just saying there are fates worse than death, and Shepard would have been the one to suffer them, not Liara, if Cerberus had intended to do something worse to Shepard. Or even if Miranda's team had been less successful. I think the issue is the reason they gave in the game, I think it would have been so much better should she have said "The Reapers are still coming and you're the only one who gives a damn. I couldn't lose you and neither can the rest of the galaxy." Yeah, I would have been better if she'd given Shepard to Cerberus because she truly believed the galaxy needed Shepard to fight the reapers. Maybe I'll just headcanon that.
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Post by 14thcommander on Jun 4, 2021 4:45:05 GMT
Yeah sorry too much of a boomer to figure out how to multi quote lmao If you're on a computer, just highlight the section you want to quote, and "quick quote" will pop up. Click that and the quote will be added to your reply. If you're on a mobile device, though, forget it. IMO, she knew the risk but was willing to take it considering Shepard was already dead. I'm just saying there are fates worse than death, and Shepard would have been the one to suffer them, not Liara, if Cerberus had intended to do something worse to Shepard. Or even if Miranda's team had been less successful. I think the issue is the reason they gave in the game, I think it would have been so much better should she have said "The Reapers are still coming and you're the only one who gives a damn. I couldn't lose you and neither can the rest of the galaxy." Yeah, I would have been better if she'd given Shepard to Cerberus because she truly believed the galaxy needed Shepard to fight the reapers. Maybe I'll just headcanon that. I’ll try it when I’m not on my phone lmao And I agree, I see how the risk was massive but it wasn’t risky for Liara at all, only Shepard. And she had no control over it. But Shepard’s alive so I guess the gamble paid off. It’s a good head canon, I don’t understand why they didn’t think to add that in honestly. It’s funny because at the beginning of ME2 Miranda and the Illusive Man talk about talk about that, and say how important Shepard is for the fight against the Reapers. But why even bring up that plot point with Liara if they’re not going to talk about it again when it makes the most sense? So weird.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jun 4, 2021 17:47:58 GMT
Yeah sorry too much of a boomer to figure out how to multi quote lmao If you're on a computer, just highlight the section you want to quote, and "quick quote" will pop up. Click that and the quote will be added to your reply. If you're on a mobile device, though, forget it. IMO, she knew the risk but was willing to take it considering Shepard was already dead. I'm just saying there are fates worse than death, and Shepard would have been the one to suffer them, not Liara, if Cerberus had intended to do something worse to Shepard. Or even if Miranda's team had been less successful. I think the issue is the reason they gave in the game, I think it would have been so much better should she have said "The Reapers are still coming and you're the only one who gives a damn. I couldn't lose you and neither can the rest of the galaxy." Yeah, I would have been better if she'd given Shepard to Cerberus because she truly believed the galaxy needed Shepard to fight the reapers. Maybe I'll just headcanon that. It would have been better if shepard just like, ya know, hadn't died Like why did we need that again? If they really wanted us to work with cerberus, just have it where when we go to the counicl/alliance with news of the collectors they aren't willing to do shit (as always) and maybe they lock you in an insane asylum and cerberus breaks you out or something idk. I just hated the whole dying thing and liara being the one who does everything.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 4, 2021 17:52:36 GMT
If you're on a computer, just highlight the section you want to quote, and "quick quote" will pop up. Click that and the quote will be added to your reply. If you're on a mobile device, though, forget it. I'm just saying there are fates worse than death, and Shepard would have been the one to suffer them, not Liara, if Cerberus had intended to do something worse to Shepard. Or even if Miranda's team had been less successful. Yeah, I would have been better if she'd given Shepard to Cerberus because she truly believed the galaxy needed Shepard to fight the reapers. Maybe I'll just headcanon that. It would have been better if shepard just like, ya know, hadn't died Like why did we need that again? If they really wanted us to work with cerberus, just have it where when we go to the counicl/alliance with news of the collectors they aren't willing to do shit (as always) and maybe they lock you in an insane asylum and cerberus breaks you out or something idk. I just hated the whole dying thing and liara being the one who does everything. Or even just have Shepard slip into a coma and Cerberus makes it seem like they were KIA or MIA. But really, as I've said before ME2 should have been all about gathering allies to fight the Reapers. Things like the Tuchanka and Rannoch arcs could have been in that game, and by the end all the races are united for the war in ME3. Would also have given us more attachment to all the worlds since we'd see them before the war thus when they're being destroyed it hits more.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 4, 2021 18:20:02 GMT
I don't agree, yes her reasons are selfish, but it's because she couldn't live without Shepard as she said so herself. And if Cerberus were the only people willing to try and bring Shepard back, Liara was going to risk that. Shepard was dead, there was no harm in trying and hoping Cerberus could do the impossible. She has an agenda that only she knows why. Why didn't she make any effort to inform anyone Shepard's body is in the hands of Cerberus? Why did she have Shepard's armor on display like it's a trophy? What was she going to do with Shepard's dna, if Shepard wasn't returning? She has issues, mental issues. What reasoning would you give if a Shepard, my Shepard, wanted to throw the asari back in the volcano? If someone said that to me, I want nothing to do with them. Hold up. If you're giving credit for t'soni looking for Shepard's corpse, then give credit to Cerberus for giving information to use. For her own personal self. That's all. When asked why she gave the body to Cerberus she will say was I suppose to let my friend die. Two things wrong with that. Shepard was already dead you dumba**, and her being a friend? No. My Shepard had no interest in being friends with her. So what is she talking about? The worst part about all that is Shepard cannot ask her about those things. I would ask. I don't give a crap who you are. By her not informing anyone, she cannot be trusted. If you're ok with what she did, would you be ok if it was Jacob that did the exact same thing?
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Post by 14thcommander on Jun 4, 2021 18:25:34 GMT
I don't agree, yes her reasons are selfish, but it's because she couldn't live without Shepard as she said so herself. And if Cerberus were the only people willing to try and bring Shepard back, Liara was going to risk that. Shepard was dead, there was no harm in trying and hoping Cerberus could do the impossible. She has an agenda that only she knows why. Why didn't she make any effort to inform anyone Shepard's body is in the hands of Cerberus? Why did she have Shepard's armor on display like it's a trophy? What was she going to do with Shepard's dna, if Shepard wasn't returning? She has issues, mental issues. What reasoning would you give if a Shepard, my Shepard, wanted to throw the asari back in the volcano? If someone said that to me, I want nothing to do with them. Hold up. If you're giving credit for t'soni looking for Shepard's corpse, then give credit to Cerberus for giving information to use. For her own personal self. That's all. When asked why she gave the body to Cerberus she will say was I suppose to let my friend die. Two things wrong with that. Shepard was already dead you dumba**, and her being a friend? No. My Shepard had no interest in being friends with her. So what is she talking about? The worst part about all that is Shepard cannot ask her about those things. I would ask. I don't give a crap who you are. By her not informing anyone, she cannot be trusted. If you're ok with what she did, would you be ok if it was Jacob that did the exact same thing? Well the issue is you're debating from the head canon that your Shepard doesn't like her, while I'm defending on the premise that my Shepard romances her, so our two canons can't really find common ground. I think she did the right thing, but I believe the reason they give in the game was BS and should have included more than just 'I couldn't live without you'. I wouldn't be okay with Jacob because my Shepard hasn't romanced him, doesn't like him and he didn't fight Saren and Sovereign by her side like Liara did. Hence why we can't really even debate it since our Shepards are totally different.
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