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Post by malgus on Jul 10, 2021 2:40:09 GMT
I'll just say, I don't get the issue with the butt shots debate, they gave us a photo mode, you can now literally take as many butt shots as you like. yep
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Post by rahavan on Jul 11, 2021 10:56:01 GMT
God I can't believe I read that much of the OP's post with the amount of tired I am. First we share a lot of views and I respect the time you took to write that essay. Secondly I have always been a narrative/immersive driven person and the butt shoot scenes always pulled me out of the moment. Like you are going "mhm this very important and I am getting info and backstory - why I am looking at your ass?"
Aside Miranda has always come across as tsundre to me. She's very stand off until she gets stockholmed (I say a little jokingly) into liking shep. I won't shame butt lovers since it's fair game and not creepy like Bethany romancer requesters. Anyway thanks for putting up with my failed sleeping pill addled ramble... but I am glad that there's a mod for butt shots so people can have them back if they want while the rest of us, either indifferent or against, can live without them booty shots.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 5:20:34 GMT
I'll just say, I don't get the issue with the butt shots debate, they gave us a photo mode, you can now literally take as many butt shots as you like. I'll tell you why I have an issue with it. We all know the shitstorm that was the endings, these fuckers at Bioware hid behind "artistic integrity" as why they wouldnt change the endings. Im a realist I get they couldnt dump hundreds of hours it would take to even make a passable ending with what we actually got. But dont trot out that fucking line. These assholes sit here and change trivial things like Tali's photo or Miranda ass shots, well I say where is the "artistic integrity" with those things? Change the fucking endings you dipshits, you destroyed on of the greatest gaming trilogies. I love the fuckin Mass Effect universe but its all shit with that ending. Fuck Mac Walters, fuck Casey Hudson, fuck EA and anyone who defends shit like this. Miranda's ass is ARTISTIC INTEGRITY. FUCK OFF.
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Post by malgus on Jul 13, 2021 6:12:58 GMT
God I can't believe I read that much of the OP's post with the amount of tired I am. First we share a lot of views and I respect the time you took to write that essay. Secondly I have always been a narrative/immersive driven person and the butt shoot scenes always pulled me out of the moment. Like you are going "mhm this very important and I am getting info and backstory - why I am looking at your ass?" Aside Miranda has always come across as tsundre to me. She's very stand off until she gets stockholmed (I say a little jokingly) into liking shep. I won't shame butt lovers since it's fair game and not creepy like Bethany romancer requesters. Anyway thanks for putting up with my failed sleeping pill addled ramble... but I am glad that there's a mod for butt shots so people can have them back if they want while the rest of us, either indifferent or against, can live without them booty shots. I am sorry to have caused you trouble sleeping . I was determined to prove my point and wrote as long as it needed to be. I guess I should be surprised about the people asking for bethany shippers but I am not... Because I remember the people who continue to ship elizabeth and booker dewitt in Bioshock infinite even after learning their... relationship.
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Post by malgus on Jul 13, 2021 6:53:33 GMT
ZOMBIE DUST
I don't know if you thought that simply saying "I am aware making another ending would take much longer and be more costly BUT don't trot that line" means nobody should use this argument even if it is still very valid... That is like saying that you know that you are comparing apples to oranges in terms of demands yet you still do it... Admitting it does not suddenly means it's fine to do it.
Making an entirely new ending requires LOTS of time and ressources, it requires many writers to think of every possibilities that happen in the trilogy with every choice having been made by the players and write for each one of them, programmers to animate and make plenty of new scene from scratch, tons of voice actor to bring back in a recording studio, etc. Changing tali's face takes very little time, the same thing with changing a few angle during a cutscenes. Very easy for programmers to fix this.
A remaster is a VISUAL remake, not a full remake. A remake means redoing the game completely from scratch, and if the legendary edition was precisely that, you might have a point that BW should improve A LOT of things about the trilogy and do much more than Miranda butt shots or tali's face. But The legendary edition like the huge majority of remasters are there to improve the visual and sometime the gameplay but they are NOT rewrites of the story.
And It seems that the whataboutism is strong again...
Tali's face and miranda butt shots would still be a narrative and cinematography failling at their job regardless of the ending quality. That's like saying a company should not fix a small issue because there is a bigger one elsewhere... even if fixing the small one requires very little time and the big one requires a much bigger amount of ressources. The butt shots were stupid and gratuious fanservice that were tone deaf for the scenes they were in, and Tali's face was poorly made for being a photoshop google image.
Changing a bit of the cinematography OR changing one photos in game is nowhere near the same as making a totally new ending for a REMASTER. Not only is it not the job of a remaster to do that, even if it was the case it would be a "whataboutism" as the smaller issues are still issues regardless of the presence of the bigger one.
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ZOMBIE DUST I don't know if you thought that simply saying " I am aware making another ending would take much longer and be more costly BUT don't trot that line" means nobody should use this argument even if it is still very valid... That is like saying that you know that you are comparing apples to oranges in terms of demands yet you still do it... Admitting it does not suddenly means it's fine to do it. Making an entirely new ending requires LOTS of time and ressources, it requires many writers to think of every possibilities that happen in the trilogy with every choice having been made by the players and write for each one of them, programmers to animate and make plenty of new scene from scratch, tons of voice actor to bring back in a recording studio, etc. Changing tali's face takes very little time, the same thing with changing a few angle during a cutscenes. Very easy for programmers to fix this. A remaster is a VISUAL remake, not a full remake. A remake means redoing the game completely from scratch, and if the legendary edition was precisely that, you might have a point that BW should improve A LOT of things about the trilogy and do much more than Miranda butt shots or tali's face. But The legendary edition like the huge majority of remasters are there to improve the visual and sometime the gameplay but they are NOT rewrites of the story. And It seems that the whataboutism is strong again... Tali's face and miranda butt shots would still be a narrative and cinematography failling at their job regardless of the ending quality. That's like saying a company should not fix a small issue because there is a bigger one elsewhere... even if fixing the small one requires very little time and the big one requires a much bigger amount of ressources. The butt shots were stupid and gratuious fanservice that were tone deaf for the scenes they were in, and Tali's face was poorly made for being a photoshop google image. Changing a bit of the cinematography OR changing one photos in game is nowhere near the same as making a totally new ending for a REMASTER. Not only is it not the job of a remaster to do that, even if it was the case it would be a "whataboutism" as the smaller issues are still issues regardless of the presence of the bigger one. Its not whataboutism. It would be whataboutism if I was using artistic integrity argument to refute your points. I was not. I havent read your entire post so I cant comment on it. But I quoted someone else who didnt understand why someone could be upset with the Miranda butt shots removed and I provided my opinion as to why. No one but bioware brought up artistic integrity as the reason they wont change it. That statement opens up pandora's box. The second they say they wont change it because of artistic integrity it also means that if they change ANYTHING a single line of dialog, a single color of a piece of armor or a cinematic camera angle, they will effectively be lying about their "artistic integrity." It is an all or nothing game. The reason they wouldnt change it is like I said time, money and resources but that was at that time in 2012, they have had the time to change the endings with this legendary edition. You can say the shit about remake vs visual upgrade but they choose the latter, they could have done the former. You can argue that Tali's face and Miranda's ass is a failure of narrative and cinematography fine whatever but in the original games they made that choice and to change it now means they are compromising their artistic integrity. Defend the shit company if you want, but I wont be.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 13, 2021 20:24:35 GMT
ZOMBIE DUST I don't know if you thought that simply saying " I am aware making another ending would take much longer and be more costly BUT don't trot that line" means nobody should use this argument even if it is still very valid... That is like saying that you know that you are comparing apples to oranges in terms of demands yet you still do it... Admitting it does not suddenly means it's fine to do it. Making an entirely new ending requires LOTS of time and ressources, it requires many writers to think of every possibilities that happen in the trilogy with every choice having been made by the players and write for each one of them, programmers to animate and make plenty of new scene from scratch, tons of voice actor to bring back in a recording studio, etc. Changing tali's face takes very little time, the same thing with changing a few angle during a cutscenes. Very easy for programmers to fix this. A remaster is a VISUAL remake, not a full remake. A remake means redoing the game completely from scratch, and if the legendary edition was precisely that, you might have a point that BW should improve A LOT of things about the trilogy and do much more than Miranda butt shots or tali's face. But The legendary edition like the huge majority of remasters are there to improve the visual and sometime the gameplay but they are NOT rewrites of the story. And It seems that the whataboutism is strong again... Tali's face and miranda butt shots would still be a narrative and cinematography failling at their job regardless of the ending quality. That's like saying a company should not fix a small issue because there is a bigger one elsewhere... even if fixing the small one requires very little time and the big one requires a much bigger amount of ressources. The butt shots were stupid and gratuious fanservice that were tone deaf for the scenes they were in, and Tali's face was poorly made for being a photoshop google image. Changing a bit of the cinematography OR changing one photos in game is nowhere near the same as making a totally new ending for a REMASTER. Not only is it not the job of a remaster to do that, even if it was the case it would be a "whataboutism" as the smaller issues are still issues regardless of the presence of the bigger one. Its not whataboutism. It would be whataboutism if I was using artistic integrity argument to refute your points. I was not. I havent read your entire post so I cant comment on it. But I quoted someone else who didnt understand why someone could be upset with the Miranda butt shots removed and I provided my opinion as to why. No one but bioware brought up artistic integrity as the reason they wont change it. That statement opens up pandora's box. The second they say they wont change it because of artistic integrity it also means that if they change ANYTHING a single line of dialog, a single color of a piece of armor or a cinematic camera angle it, they will effectively be lying about their "artistic integrity." It is an all or nothing game. The reason they wouldnt change it is like I said time, money and resources but that was at that time in 2012, they have had the time to change the endings with this legendary edition. You can say the shit about remake vs visual upgrade but they choose the latter, they could have done the former. You can argue that Tali's face and Miranda's ass is a failure of narrative and cinematography fine whatever but in the original games they made that choice and to change it now means they are compromising their artistic integrity. Defend the shit company if you want, but I wont be. Sir, you're out of line. It's been illegal to own people since 1865.
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Post by malgus on Jul 13, 2021 22:24:54 GMT
Her black catsuit is actually better. I mean the one you get after completing her loyalty mission, not that other ugly thing you had to pay to get. I guess they could have put a whip at her hip for her loyalty but I think Kelly stole it. What? I like the DLC outfit. Ok, that visor looks a bit weird but at least it somewhat resembles functional armor. I never let her go on missions without it (except her loyalty mission because otherwise Enyala's comment about waiting for her to get dressed makes no sense anymore).
I really don't like to take squad mates who refuse to wear proper armor in combat. It's why Jack barely gets off the ship either. Very glad they gave all squad mates some sort of armor outfit in ME3.
Yep I always like the practicality for characters costume or outfits make sense for the situation, I hate when characters don't get either uniform or armor when they go in combat. I understand's jack costume for her civilian outfit as it would make sense to dress the way she does in the ship, but when she goes into combat... Not a big fan.
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Post by malgus on Jul 13, 2021 22:28:58 GMT
In the Citadel DLC there is a comment from Jack about Miranda's breasts and I have to say that Jack is right and Miranda's breasts are more impressive than her butt I would say her breast WERE a bit impressive in ME 2 because she was indeed quite busty compare to most of the women we met in the games, but then mass effect 3 made the breast of every girl bigger. I am not sure I would call her chest impressive in the third game.
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Post by malgus on Jul 13, 2021 22:33:05 GMT
Her black catsuit is actually better. I mean the one you get after completing her loyalty mission, not that other ugly thing you had to pay to get. I guess they could have put a whip at her hip for her loyalty but I think Kelly stole it.What? Yeah I am curious too. I think he is maybe referring to her red dress at the end of ME 2 if you pursue the romance with her. And this might be a ressemblance to a dominatrix outfits... I have got to say I am trying to get what he meant.
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Post by malgus on Jul 13, 2021 22:33:22 GMT
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I will give you the benefit of the doubt because from the outlook it sure seems like you used a variation of the whataboutism. Because you bring another subject and do not refute the original arguments. I speak about Miranda butt shots being ridiculous and the changes being good for the narrative. What do you after that? "oh but what about the ending, that's a bigger problem why they didn’t fixed that instead of the butt shots?" . If it’s not whataboutism then it is still a deflection.
Let's say that the ending are still problems, ass shots are still tone deaf ridiculous and contradicting to the tone, regardless of if the endings are still problematic. You shift to another subject when that is not the topic, there is a topic for the endings that you can look on this forum if you want to speak about them. I talk about how the visuals can be contradictive to the writing and why the butt shots were a stupidity in the beginning.
As I said before, I will give you the benefits of the doubt, let’s say that you don’t care about these ass shots and you only said that to make your point about artistic integrity. Then You are making your case a generality among the people who complained about these ass shots being changed. The arguments I responded to in my opening threads were made by many people. Many try to claim that it’s bad because it’s censorship or the tons of other reasons told in the opening threads. IRONICALLY, you are speaking about artistic integrity but guess what? Many people said that it was wrong to change the butt shots because it was attack on the artistic vision of the creator of mass effect 2… and I respond to those arguments in my opening comments, you are free to go look at it.
But now you come there and says “Oh the real reason many people are angry is because of artistic integrity being used to keep the ending.” While it might be true for some, you are pushing your arguments like everyone was using that and that it was the main reason there was complaints. I have been on twitter, youtube and reddit when the news came out and the people were screaming “censorship” everywhere. Lots of times (not all but many), The moment someone brings the ending is when there is no more arguments to defend the butt shots. Perhaps you really don't care about the ass shots, but then speak for you and only for yourself.
And nevertheless, You still pretend that any changes to the trilogy is the same degree for any aspects, that if they change one just a tiny bit it means that it’s equal in terms of arts to change another one which it is NOT. Saying that making an entirely new ending is somehow the same to the artistic integrity as changing an angle or changing a photo... The amount of time and resources is still fundamentally a mountain of difference, new ending requires many writers, plenty of programmers, tons of voice actor (let's not forget the translation and the dubbing in other language) while changing photo or camera angle requires minimal resources from programmers and coders.
A remaster is still not a remake , the remaster is not meant to be a rewrite of the story it's meant to be an improvement of the visual and sometime a retouch of the gameplay. But that is it, BW never pretend that they would completely remake the mass effect trilogy with the legendary edition as this has never been the point of any remaster. Right now you just dismiss that they could have changed the ending and says “I don’t care about the differences between those aspects, it’s still bad” that’s not an argument, that’s just saying that these two are the somehow the same when they are not.
But the difference does not stop there, it goes way beyond the difference in resources.
The artistic integrity is not the same for every aspect and that is what you seem to forget. You are still comparing apples to oranges.
In the case of a narrative video game there is a HUGE difference between writing and cinematography. The writing is the starting point, it’s the base of the story. That is where the media starts and from the writing, the visual rely on what the writing did to do their work, not the other way around. The cinematography is there to present what the writers did and make it feel alive. If the cinematography fails the tone, the plot, or the characters then making an editing to make sure the visual is in line with the narrative aspects is normal for any type of production.
The writing is a PRIMARY aspect of a video game while the visual is secondary, it is the very foundation of the narrative media in question. Writing is timeless, Shakespeare is still played in theaters centuries after his death, just like many famous authors like Molière, Charles dickens, Alexandre Dumas, etc. The writing stays and will remain even a millennium after.
The visual on other hand can get old very quickly, it ages as new technology makes graphics, pictures, and shots better in a just a few years. Many still values the old knights of the old republic because of the writing, the graphics of kotor compared to what is made today is bad but that is doomed to happen to any video game that ever existed. The reason why people still love it is because of its characters, plot, the revelations, the variation between the campaign, etc. The two aspects will never be similar in a narrative driven media.
Changing the cinematography does not equal changing the writing, it means seeing a mistake in a SECONDARY aspect and do a little editing to make it more supportive. In the case of mass effect 3 Changing an ending is changing the essence of the story itself, changing the answers to what the reapers are, their motivation, the answers to the mysteries of what mass effect was about, etc. That will NEVER be the same as the cinematography being tone deaf (like a camera angle prioritizing showing an ass during a scene that is presenting a call for help to save someone from being kidnapped) and changed a bit for a re-release.
Now you can criticize this story if you think it is bad and that is totally fine, but right now you are saying that Regardless of the context, regardless of if the aspects in question are similar it is all the same to artistic integrity, and that is simply wrong. Certain games or media are style over substance but that is not what mass effect is, the visual is there to support and help the writing being presented to the audience, not the other way around and therefore the aspects do not have the same value and importance.
With your line of logic, it is not just butt shots that should never be fixed, apparently any of the smallest of issues in the visual aspects in a video game should never be fixed in a remaster unless they create full new CGI cutscenes and full rewrites because artistic integrity is the same for any aspects…
Cinematography and writings will never be the same things when in comes to a narrative driven media, one is the support, the other is the essence and the artistic integrity for each one of them is FAR from being similar.
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Post by malgus on Jul 13, 2021 22:36:37 GMT
In the last months there have been discussions about Miranda Lawson and how important her butt shots were in ME 2 All that and you didn't include a chemical diagram of her genetically enhanced sweat and what it smells/tastes like. You're welcome. (and on topic, I found the cutscene differences in MELE to be verging on minimal and irrelevant. I do like Miranda as a character, she'll often be in my party) So that is her genetically enhanced sweat... The mystery is finally solved... he he he
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Post by malgus on Jul 13, 2021 22:49:52 GMT
You're welcome. (and on topic, I found the cutscene differences in MELE to be verging on minimal and irrelevant. I do like Miranda as a character, she'll often be in my party) Yeah I use her a fair bit too. I don' t have a problem wit hhersue rshe's a bi tclod at firsttowards you but I think that's mainly because she's not sure she can trust you given that she's Cerberus and up until now you've been Alliance. I do use her quite a bit though as her skills with both Warp and Overload are quite handy. But after a while after you get t oknow her I find her quite likeable While I do think she is well written objectively, subjectively I only started to like her starting ME 3. It was hard for me to like her when she tells me that if she was leading cerberus, she would have put a control chip in shepard's head... I started to remember Benezia when she says what she felt when she was indoctrinated, her body is acting and her mind is aware of what's happening but cannot do anything about it... I did not like that I was forced to be grateful to the illusive man for avoiding that fate. But in ME 3 she takes a big level in kindness and I was fond of the new Miranda.
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Post by malgus on Jul 13, 2021 23:02:27 GMT
All that and you didn't include a chemical diagram of her genetically enhanced sweat and what it smells/tastes like. 3/10 I'm bumping it to 2/10 for not discussing about how Miranda would look in a black leather Mistress outfit... Giggity.😍😍😋😋😍😍 Doesn't she have a second outfits like this? A loyalty outfits that is pretty much all black?
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Post by malgus on Jul 13, 2021 23:03:39 GMT
Too much time on your hands? Nah Just something called dedication...
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Post by malgus on Jul 13, 2021 23:30:17 GMT
All that and you didn't include a chemical diagram of her genetically enhanced sweat and what it smells/tastes like. 3/10 This one does not feel illuminated either. Ah I knew I didn't do enough, my next threads will need to be even longer...
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Post by malgus on Jul 13, 2021 23:35:23 GMT
Since we are now on the subject of butt shots.... Anyone else keeping an eye on Tales of Arise? Miranda has a new challenger! Kisara has a really big... I would never pretend that Miranda does not have huge competition, there is an entire list of that here for most of pop culture : tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MaleGaze
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 13, 2021 23:35:28 GMT
Yeah I use her a fair bit too. I don' t have a problem wit hhersue rshe's a bi tclod at firsttowards you but I think that's mainly because she's not sure she can trust you given that she's Cerberus and up until now you've been Alliance. I do use her quite a bit though as her skills with both Warp and Overload are quite handy. But after a while after you get t oknow her I find her quite likeable While I do think she is well written objectively, subjectively I only started to like her starting ME 3. It was hard for me to like her when she tells me that if she was leading cerberus, she would have put a control chip in shepard's head... I started to remember Benezia when she says what she felt when she was indoctrinated, her body is acting and her mind is aware of what's happening but cannot do anything about it... I did not like that I was forced to be grateful to the illusive man for avoiding that fate. But in ME 3 she takes a big level in kindness and I was fond of the new Miranda. Yeah but she onl ysaid tha tbecause she was unsuer whether you could be trusted at firs tbu ta sshe tells us in theend tha tshe was gla dshe was stpoped from doing it as she realises that you'er trying to look out fo reveryone rather tha nfollowing your own agenda.
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Post by malgus on Jul 14, 2021 0:40:54 GMT
While I do think she is well written objectively, subjectively I only started to like her starting ME 3. It was hard for me to like her when she tells me that if she was leading cerberus, she would have put a control chip in shepard's head... I started to remember Benezia when she says what she felt when she was indoctrinated, her body is acting and her mind is aware of what's happening but cannot do anything about it... I did not like that I was forced to be grateful to the illusive man for avoiding that fate. But in ME 3 she takes a big level in kindness and I was fond of the new Miranda. Yeah but she onl ysaid tha tbecause she was unsuer whether you could be trusted at firs tbu ta sshe tells us in theend tha tshe was gla dshe was stpoped from doing it as she realises that you'er trying to look out fo reveryone rather tha nfollowing your own agenda. True, I know she did this because she is not sure she can trust shepard. And just to be clear I am not saying this is poor writing, it make sense that she would act this way as she is not known to trust people easily. It's just that it was hard for me to subjectively like her when she intended to condemn me to a fate worse than death. Thankfully as you say she gets better and contrarly to many other characters, she apologize for her previous intention. This difference between a well written character and if I like the characters in question reminds me of Kaliyo Djannis from SWTOR, objectively she is a fantastic character and probably the best exemple I could give of a chaotic neutral characters in Bioware, her behavior during the imperial agent story make complete sense. But subjectively... I just cannot stand her. She is a backstabbing treacherous person that consider it is fine that she gets to betray everyone for her benefits BUT if someone backstab her... then it's wrong and she consider herself to be the victim. It's one of those time I have to separate the quality of the writing with my personnal appreciation. And contrarly to Miranda, Kaliyo does not get character development whatsoever and she is even worse when we meet her in the expansion. Despite being well written overall, she is just not my type.
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Post by malgus on Jul 14, 2021 2:11:11 GMT
After meeting up with Kasumi in ME3 if you do her mini mission, she joins the alliance (albeit reluctantly until you entice her with the tech laying about), and Miranda in her farewell speel, says that she ended up joining the alliance as they couldn't afford to be picky.
Shepard should have gone out of his/her way to help Miranda after ME2. Jacob was very quickly re-enlisted by Hackett after the rescuing of the the ex-Cerberus scientists so why not Miri. She would have been an awesome squaddie in ME3 and a huge boon for the Alliance.
Woah! Kasumi was in ME3? I completely missed her in my first playthrough. I figured she was cut from the game. I agree with you about how Shepard should have helped Miranda when it comes to the Alliance. I found it odd that Jacob was quickly re-enlisted and Miranda was shunned. I was hoping she'd join the crew at least unofficially. You are talking about missing something in a an ME game, and I just recall the moment when I was playing ME 1 for the first time. I was not even aware that romances were possible so I finish the game without doing any of them. I learned of it by accident going on a forum and now I never misses an opportunity.
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Post by malgus on Jul 14, 2021 3:40:40 GMT
Yea hI don't really caer about the bum shots I play ME for it's story no tthat. Yeah i twould have been nice t ohave he rback but I can see why she didn't asfor one you'er back wit hthe Alliance and Cerberus and the Alliance aren't exactly buddiesshe knows not many people would trus ther even i fShepard did and assuming yo usaved Kaidan rather than Ash on Virmire you alerad ykind of have you rSentinel given she is kind of a Sentinel herself. TBH the asm ereally goes for Kasumi no one's really going to trust her with her reputation. I miss them too but I can see why the ytry not to gettoo involved because to win a war your team has to be able to trust on eanother especially when going up against something as tough as the Reapers. It's why I think tha t bot hAsh and Kaidan aer questioning you in the beginning as they're not sure they trus tyou anymore becaus of the fact you worked with Cerberus in ME2 This was kind of solved in ME 1 though. Ash et all had a lot of issues with you bringing Alien nationals/ non humans aboard...including a Krogan Mercenary and a Turian?! of all things...and yet since Shepard had authority outside of the Alliance same thing applied owing to them again being a Spectre in ME 3. If Ash had an issue with it there is always the airlock. I am not a big fan of ashley but I don't dislike her either, but I always found that people exagerated her concern with alien crewmates. Her sentiment about human should not rely on alien does have a point as in the first ME, human are looked down upon by other races and the turian councilor sparatus opnely admits that he does not care that much about a few dozen human colony being threatened by Saren. The problem is that while she does have a point, she pushes it too far by saying alien should not be allowed in every part of the normandy.
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Post by malgus on Jul 14, 2021 16:09:15 GMT
Yeah you're right about both Miranda and Kasumi. No one in the Alliance would trust them. I just really liked them as companions. I guess some of the people on Shepard's crew were shady in ME2. After meeting up with Kasumi in ME3 if you do her mini mission, she joins the alliance (albeit reluctantly until you entice her with the tech laying about), and Miranda in her farewell speel, says that she ended up joining the alliance as they couldn't afford to be picky.
Shepard should have gone out of his/her way to help Miranda after ME2. Jacob was very quickly re-enlisted by Hackett after the rescuing of the the ex-Cerberus scientists so why not Miri. She would have been an awesome squaddie in ME3 and a huge boon for the Alliance.
As much as I remember, Miranda insisted for doing this on her own in mass effect 3? This might have been a reaction from people joking that everyone was asking shepard to do everything for them in mass effect 2 (loyalty mission), but that is just an hypothesis.
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Too much time on your hands? Nah Just something called dedication... judging by the number of posts you made here in the last 24 hours, im with Spectr61 on this one
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Post by malgus on Jul 15, 2021 1:47:53 GMT
Me, too. It's my favorite outfit for her. I like the 'dark' set for the whole crew.
Another 'changed' cutscene is on the way to Kasumi's mission. When Kasumi is discussing female Shepard's outfit, we no longer stare at her boobs. Nevertheless, this change too is a nothingburger... (old version pictured) As the point of the mission revolves around Kasumi's recently dead love interest, I can understand why the cutscene shouldn't imply that Kasumi is revelling in Shepard's baps. I subjectively love the alternate outfits for most of the companion, it is a good incentive to push the players into finishing each one them. Combination of Red and black always look awesome. I have got to say I never thought much about kasumi's comments about Shepard's in her recruitment mission, but the more I think about it i think you are right. Cinematography should not imply that someone who is grieving their soulmates is as you say "revelling in shepard's baps". But I don't think it was a big issue either.
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Post by malgus on Jul 15, 2021 2:30:14 GMT
This was kind of solved in ME 1 though. Ash et all had a lot of issues with you bringing Alien nationals/ non humans aboard...including a Krogan Mercenary and a Turian?! of all things...and yet since Shepard had authority outside of the Alliance same thing applied owing to them again being a Spectre in ME 3. If Ash had an issue with it there is always the airlock. Yeah but I think she at leas tlearned through themission against Saren in ME1 tha tno tall aliens aer monsters to be feared and shunned though. Fo rexampl eon one playthrough wher I had Tali die sh ekind of said that |Tali felt like a little sister to her or something if I remembe rcorrectly so I think she kind of grows to like them in the end or at least feels she can a tleas ttrust the ones she worked with on that mission. Working with people of different culture for a long period of time can absolutely open the eyes of many individual, she learned on her own after years of being at the side of alien. Many don't like the ashley of ME 1 due to her prejudice but I always felt like she had character development when Mass effect 3 started. She might be suspicious of shepard (which is an entire debate on it's own) but I kind of like the fact that during the attack on the citadel, she is the one protecting the council from human terrorist (cerberus). Yep, the characters that made arguments how humanity should not rely on aliens is the one personally protecting the highest alien official in the galaxy.
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