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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 4, 2021 20:02:05 GMT
Because according to the other writers, the next cycle used the Crucible to destroy the reapers anyway. That was on the old BSN. This might indicate that destroy will be the canon ending of any sequel in the Milky Way. Refuse was "rocks fall everyone dies," as Iakus said. Which leads me to this: Has Shepard ever been a monster? If you did Legion's loyalty mission, you killed how many Heretics? You killed them whether you 1) blew up the servers; or 2) rewrote them which made them not what they were. On Rannoch, if you 1) let the geth die they're dead; 2) let Legion or Geth VI upload the code they're no longer Geth; or 3) let the Quarians die you were a monster. If you Sacrificed the Council - you also sacrificed 10,000 asari. If you did Arrival, you killed 300,000. So we're just talking about statistics at this point. Shepard's racked up quite an impressive body count. Worst war criminal in our cycle's history if you did all those. Refuse doesn’t just get off the hook because it wants to be all “principled”. Refuse Shepard is the worst of them all, because through inaction, this sad sack signs the death warrants of way more than Destroy. In any case, “war crime” is pretty meaningless at this point, and any court attempting to condemn Shepard in the aftermath would only be worth turning to fertilizer for their ingratitude.
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Post by andydandymandy on Jul 4, 2021 22:44:38 GMT
The more time goes on, the more faith I have that they may not force us to go with destroy. It goes against the themes and makes Shepard pretty terrible, so I’m heavily against that ending in a moral basis and I’d rather have no new Me than them ruin Shepard’s story by literally making him commit genocide, even killing his own friends, and actually act like he’s a decent person. And the more time goes on, the more and more likely it seems possible that they aren’t forcing THAT to be the canon ending to his story. Time and distance from the trailer make it seem possible they aren’t locking us with that. So I wish they’d just be straight forward and say “yes. That’s the canon” so I could at least spend this time getting over the death of ME instead of wasting time hoping for it. If ME didn't die after that shit ending, its not going to die because they canonized one of the choices that you disagree with (which is a subjective opinion you have that not everyone shares).
I think they are going to canonize destroy, because it is really the only way they can make a sequel to the original games. There is no way to incorporate every end game choice from Mass Effect 3, as each one leaves the galaxy in four different world states, and they would have to make four different sequels to accommodate everyone's choices.
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 5, 2021 9:15:19 GMT
The more time goes on, the more faith I have that they may not force us to go with destroy. It goes against the themes and makes Shepard pretty terrible, so I’m heavily against that ending in a moral basis and I’d rather have no new Me than them ruin Shepard’s story by literally making him commit genocide, even killing his own friends, and actually act like he’s a decent person. And the more time goes on, the more and more likely it seems possible that they aren’t forcing THAT to be the canon ending to his story. Time and distance from the trailer make it seem possible they aren’t locking us with that. So I wish they’d just be straight forward and say “yes. That’s the canon” so I could at least spend this time getting over the death of ME instead of wasting time hoping for it. If ME didn't die after that shit ending, its not going to die because they canonized one of the choices that you disagree with (which is a subjective opinion you have that not everyone shares).
I think they are going to canonize destroy, because it is really the only way they can make a sequel to the original games. There is no way to incorporate every end game choice from Mass Effect 3, as each one leaves the galaxy in four different world states, and they would have to make four different sequels to accommodate everyone's choices.
That is the rub of the discussion around here with the assumption that they are making a sequel to the original games. That isn't a fact yet, just a conclusion a lot of people are jumping to based on a teaser video they released years in advance. I just remember how accurate all those assumptions about Dragon Age: Inquisition were when we shown multiple different videos of the game years in advance or how the choices trailer for Mass Effect 1 gave the impression you could just ignore Noveria and nothing even close to that was in the final game. BioWare has not confirmed if the speculation is correct or not, for it might have been just a bunch of different known elements of the franchise while still having the game in very early development and nothing to show for that. [Edit] I personally don't think anything will be set in stone for a new Mass Effect game until just before the next Dragon Age game is released and that would be when development really will start so they will be having things set at that time for that would be probably near the end of the prototyping stage and people will start to really work on development. So maybe they are going to make a sequel where they make an ending canon, but I think its just as likely that they could continue with Andromeda or even have the game set in The Milky Way while just writing the story where nothing is mentioned about the Shepard games and the choices contained there for they can make a game where its just completely ignored and there are consequences that could make people think one way or the other, but at the same time doesn't fit into any of the choices just to leave it alone.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 5, 2021 11:37:40 GMT
That is the rub of the discussion around here with the assumption that they are making a sequel to the original games. That isn't a fact yet, just a conclusion a lot of people are jumping to based on a teaser video they released years in advance. I just remember how accurate all those assumptions about Dragon Age: Inquisition were when we shown multiple different videos of the game years in advance or how the choices trailer for Mass Effect 1 gave the impression you could just ignore Noveria and nothing even close to that was in the final game. BioWare has not confirmed if the speculation is correct or not, for it might have been just a bunch of different known elements of the franchise while still having the game in very early development and nothing to show for that. [Edit] I personally don't think anything will be set in stone for a new Mass Effect game until just before the next Dragon Age game is released and that would be when development really will start so they will be having things set at that time for that would be probably near the end of the prototyping stage and people will start to really work on development. So maybe they are going to make a sequel where they make an ending canon, but I think its just as likely that they could continue with Andromeda or even have the game set in The Milky Way while just writing the story where nothing is mentioned about the Shepard games and the choices contained there for they can make a game where its just completely ignored and there are consequences that could make people think one way or the other, but at the same time doesn't fit into any of the choices just to leave it alone. You make a lot of good points, but there's also some problems from the things that we do know. A lot of people associated that trailer to mean that Shepard and crew will be back, which you and I and many others here know isn't happening. Much like the Anthem trailer, that gave an inaccurate picture of what the game would be like, this will have a similar impact on game reception in the future. Bioware will, eventually, come out with the real cast of the game, in some way, but that will turn a lot of people off regardless, especially after the, I estimate, 5+ years till Will Continue's release. It's a lot of time to wait for something that ultimately lets you down. It won't even be cleared shortly after DA4's launch, possibly not even in the year after, but rather when the game gets close to launch. So at the very least 4 years from now. That will be a long time to wait for a disappointment. The impact is, as of yet, unknown, but I would consider that people's weariness of Bioware has grown significantly, over the years. The second thing is that it's going to be really difficult to just avoid the trilogy, when you have a real life survivor of it right next to you, that was with Shepard during the Reaper War, in Liara. Maybe your character will show no interest in asking anything about it, but don't you think that, if Bioware wants to represent a person given that opportunity, some questions would be asked? Imagine if, in Earth history equivalents, you had access to a historical figure, at that point, the equivalent to someone like Wellington, or Napoleon, or Alexander etc. while possible that you would ask them about the current state of affairs, you wouldn't ask them about the wars they were involved in? Just a little unlikely.
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 5, 2021 12:05:59 GMT
That is the rub of the discussion around here with the assumption that they are making a sequel to the original games. That isn't a fact yet, just a conclusion a lot of people are jumping to based on a teaser video they released years in advance. I just remember how accurate all those assumptions about Dragon Age: Inquisition were when we shown multiple different videos of the game years in advance or how the choices trailer for Mass Effect 1 gave the impression you could just ignore Noveria and nothing even close to that was in the final game. BioWare has not confirmed if the speculation is correct or not, for it might have been just a bunch of different known elements of the franchise while still having the game in very early development and nothing to show for that. [Edit] I personally don't think anything will be set in stone for a new Mass Effect game until just before the next Dragon Age game is released and that would be when development really will start so they will be having things set at that time for that would be probably near the end of the prototyping stage and people will start to really work on development. So maybe they are going to make a sequel where they make an ending canon, but I think its just as likely that they could continue with Andromeda or even have the game set in The Milky Way while just writing the story where nothing is mentioned about the Shepard games and the choices contained there for they can make a game where its just completely ignored and there are consequences that could make people think one way or the other, but at the same time doesn't fit into any of the choices just to leave it alone. You make a lot of good points, but there's also some problems from the things that we do know. A lot of people associated that trailer to mean that Shepard and crew will be back, which you and I and many others here know isn't happening. Much like the Anthem trailer, that gave an inaccurate picture of what the game would be like, this will have a similar impact on game reception in the future. Bioware will, eventually, come out with the real cast of the game, in some way, but that will turn a lot of people off regardless, especially after the, I estimate, 5+ years till Will Continue's release. It's a lot of time to wait for something that ultimately lets you down. It won't even be cleared shortly after DA4's launch, possibly not even in the year after, but rather when the game gets close to launch. So at the very least 4 years from now. That will be a long time to wait for a disappointment. The impact is, as of yet, unknown, but I would consider that people's weariness of Bioware has grown significantly, over the years. The second thing is that it's going to be really difficult to just avoid the trilogy, when you have a real life survivor of it right next to you, that was with Shepard during the Reaper War, in Liara. Maybe your character will show no interest in asking anything about it, but don't you think that, if Bioware wants to represent a person given that opportunity, some questions would be asked? Imagine if, in Earth history equivalents, you had access to a historical figure, at that point, the equivalent to someone like Wellington, or Napoleon, or Alexander etc. while possible that you would ask them about the current state of affairs, you wouldn't ask them about the wars they were involved in? Just a little unlikely. I am not even sure Liara will return, it could have been just convivence of using her picture to indicate Asari in general. You are right people might ask about a situation, but at least my experiences there are people that don't want to talk about their experiences in war even with their families. So I could see Liara if in the game could give a response like that and most people would let it drop there and BioWare could use that reasoning to end the dialogue at that point with "if you ever want to talk I am here" by the protagonist if Liara does return.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 5, 2021 12:42:25 GMT
I am not even sure Liara will return, it could have been just convivence of using her picture to indicate Asari in general That would be some real 4D chess Bioware is playing, if they want, if they expect, the public to see Liara and see "asari as a race" instead. Like, in terms of lines of interpretation, that is a very tertiary interpretation. Why not have any other asari, instead? If that is the plan, then Bioware expects people to dig way, way deep into symbolism and that's something Bioware hasn't accustomed its playerbase to. Like, we're talking about short of the Souls games lore type of interpretation to make draw that parallel, when seeing Liara. I'm not saying that it isn't, but why would you go about it this way? It's, quite likely, the least efficient way to get anyone to draw that parallel. You are right people might ask about a situation, but at least my experiences there are people that don't want to talk about their experiences in war even with their families. You're not going to talk about the war. You're going to talk about Shepard, you're going to talk about Wrex or Wreave, about Mordin, about Tali, the big personalities of the war and the major events. The days after the Crucible fired, etc. A little difficult to not wonder about anything and anyone. Not to mention, Asari have conditioned themselves to move on after loss and it will also be ~600 years after the war. A good little while to make peace with it. It's a little too much to be like "I don't want to talk about it" for an entire game. Not saying you can't do it, but dick move, bro. Real dick move. You're going to rustle some jimmies with that. Like, imagine if every survivor of the Reaper war was like that. What would history keep from that time? "We didn't feel like talking about it?" Is that going to be Bioware's approach to everything? We've got better records from WW1, with far worse tech, to track those events. And less living survivors.
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 5, 2021 20:11:17 GMT
I am not even sure Liara will return, it could have been just convivence of using her picture to indicate Asari in general That would be some real 4D chess Bioware is playing, if they want, if they expect, the public to see Liara and see "asari as a race" instead. Like, in terms of lines of interpretation, that is a very tertiary interpretation. Why not have any other asari, instead? If that is the plan, then Bioware expects people to dig way, way deep into symbolism and that's something Bioware hasn't accustomed its playerbase to. Like, we're talking about short of the Souls games lore type of interpretation to make draw that parallel, when seeing Liara. I'm not saying that it isn't, but why would you go about it this way? It's, quite likely, the least efficient way to get anyone to draw that parallel. You are right people might ask about a situation, but at least my experiences there are people that don't want to talk about their experiences in war even with their families. You're not going to talk about the war. You're going to talk about Shepard, you're going to talk about Wrex or Wreave, about Mordin, about Tali, the big personalities of the war and the major events. The days after the Crucible fired, etc. A little difficult to not wonder about anything and anyone. Not to mention, Asari have conditioned themselves to move on after loss and it will also be ~600 years after the war. A good little while to make peace with it. It's a little too much to be like "I don't want to talk about it" for an entire game. Not saying you can't do it, but dick move, bro. Real dick move. You're going to rustle some jimmies with that. Like, imagine if every survivor of the Reaper war was like that. What would history keep from that time? "We didn't feel like talking about it?" Is that going to be Bioware's approach to everything? We've got better records from WW1, with far worse tech, to track those events. And less living survivors. That would be if the character is interested in those things more then they might be already. It would be like Shepard going out and talking to everyone about The First Contact War where the only time it is discussed in the game is when Ashley is talking about her grandfather and the amount of information from that is next to nothing. Both shaped how the Galaxy functioned one greatly more then the other, but its not just backstory for the people that played the games might want to know. So they could just not have any dialogue about it at all for it they could easily decide it doesn't propel the new story so its not needed. I think it could be easily explained that the new protagonist knows what they want to for like you said all the information is already out there and they probably had a lot of their questions answered by the history recordings. Its the same kind of arguement that people make about making Destroy Canon, the majority probably don't care and might not even notice that its not referenced greatly.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 5, 2021 22:14:29 GMT
That would be if the character is interested in those things more then they might be already. It would be like Shepard going out and talking to everyone about The First Contact War where the only time it is discussed in the game is when Ashley is talking about her grandfather and the amount of information from that is next to nothing Yes, but that's not Ashley's grandfather doing a retelling. It's Ashley. Both shaped how the Galaxy functioned one greatly more then the other, but its not just backstory for the people that played the games might want to know. Like you said "one greatly more than the other". The First Contact War is vastly inferior an event, with very little importance and or significant events. Meanwhile, you had the genophage cure, the Geth/Quarian conflict, Grissom, Thessia, Javik, the days after the crucible and what came of it etc. All of which, Liara witnessed first hand and were galaxy shaping events, even as a pure outcome. Don't downplay it. Even then, the Codex would have to mention these things. The only way to move past it all, would be to pretend they never happened. You can't not mention them, at all. I think it could be easily explained that the new protagonist knows what they want to for like you said all the information is already out there and they probably had a lot of their questions answered by the history recordings. What a crack of shit. What a crack of shit. "Why are you asking about the Reaper war, PC, you read the books, you should know". What a crack of shit that would be. Its the same kind of arguement that people make about making Destroy Canon, the majority probably don't care and might not even notice that its not referenced greatly. They'd have to. Even in the codex, they'd have to have the entry that the Reapers were destroyed in the end, or that a new Reaper was created that guided the others, or that man and machine were fused together, to create a new type of being. They could leave it at the "The Crucible fired and the war ended" but that is such a minimum effort answer, people will rip Bioware a new one for being frauds. Again, just because they can, doesn't mean they should. This will ... do you understand the articles, the videos this will generate? All of this. You want to give people reason to hate Bioware? This is it. This isn't moving past the endings, this is still being haunted. This is being so fucking scared to do anything, you might as well close the studio. Make an Andromeda 2 and never return to the Milky Way. Never again mention it ever even existed. Best alternative, compared to going back to the Milky Way and making a laughing stock of themselves.
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Post by andydandymandy on Jul 6, 2021 2:33:40 GMT
If ME didn't die after that shit ending, its not going to die because they canonized one of the choices that you disagree with (which is a subjective opinion you have that not everyone shares).
I think they are going to canonize destroy, because it is really the only way they can make a sequel to the original games. There is no way to incorporate every end game choice from Mass Effect 3, as each one leaves the galaxy in four different world states, and they would have to make four different sequels to accommodate everyone's choices.
That is the rub of the discussion around here with the assumption that they are making a sequel to the original games. That isn't a fact yet, just a conclusion a lot of people are jumping to based on a teaser video they released years in advance. I just remember how accurate all those assumptions about Dragon Age: Inquisition were when we shown multiple different videos of the game years in advance or how the choices trailer for Mass Effect 1 gave the impression you could just ignore Noveria and nothing even close to that was in the final game. BioWare has not confirmed if the speculation is correct or not, for it might have been just a bunch of different known elements of the franchise while still having the game in very early development and nothing to show for that. [Edit] I personally don't think anything will be set in stone for a new Mass Effect game until just before the next Dragon Age game is released and that would be when development really will start so they will be having things set at that time for that would be probably near the end of the prototyping stage and people will start to really work on development. So maybe they are going to make a sequel where they make an ending canon, but I think its just as likely that they could continue with Andromeda or even have the game set in The Milky Way while just writing the story where nothing is mentioned about the Shepard games and the choices contained there for they can make a game where its just completely ignored and there are consequences that could make people think one way or the other, but at the same time doesn't fit into any of the choices just to leave it alone. I don't think your comparison of the original Inquisition or ME1 trailers is accurate, because in spite of the differences between them and the shipped product, the core premise of what the trailers advertised were spot on. The Inquisition trailers marketed the idea that you were going to play as a protagonist called The Inquisitor and that you were going to build your own organization. The Mass Effect 1 trailers promoted that you were going to play as a protagonist called Shepard, who is a specter, and that you were going to make choices. All of these things still happened in the final game.
If BioWare wanted to merely show "familiar elements", that would be one thing. But there was no reason for them to go so far as to show a post-ME3 timeline where old Liara is climbing on top of a dead Reaper to retrieve Shepard's helmet, unless that is going to be part of the core premise of Mass Effect Will Continue. You don't do that and then turn around and make a straight up Andromeda sequel or a Milky Way game that is basically Andromeda 2.0 (an attempt to "avoid" having to deal with the endings of ME3 by setting it in a remote part of space, which didn't really work out well for BioWare when they tried it with Andromeda).
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 6, 2021 6:59:12 GMT
That is the rub of the discussion around here with the assumption that they are making a sequel to the original games. That isn't a fact yet, just a conclusion a lot of people are jumping to based on a teaser video they released years in advance. I just remember how accurate all those assumptions about Dragon Age: Inquisition were when we shown multiple different videos of the game years in advance or how the choices trailer for Mass Effect 1 gave the impression you could just ignore Noveria and nothing even close to that was in the final game. BioWare has not confirmed if the speculation is correct or not, for it might have been just a bunch of different known elements of the franchise while still having the game in very early development and nothing to show for that. [Edit] I personally don't think anything will be set in stone for a new Mass Effect game until just before the next Dragon Age game is released and that would be when development really will start so they will be having things set at that time for that would be probably near the end of the prototyping stage and people will start to really work on development. So maybe they are going to make a sequel where they make an ending canon, but I think its just as likely that they could continue with Andromeda or even have the game set in The Milky Way while just writing the story where nothing is mentioned about the Shepard games and the choices contained there for they can make a game where its just completely ignored and there are consequences that could make people think one way or the other, but at the same time doesn't fit into any of the choices just to leave it alone. I don't think your comparison of the original Inquisition or ME1 trailers is accurate, because in spite of the differences between them and the shipped product, the core premise of what the trailers advertised were spot on. The Inquisition trailers marketed the idea that you were going to play as a protagonist called The Inquisitor and that you were going to build your own organization. The Mass Effect 1 trailers promoted that you were going to play as a protagonist called Shepard, who is a specter, and that you were going to make choices. All of these things still happened in the final game.
If BioWare wanted to merely show "familiar elements", that would be one thing. But there was no reason for them to go so far as to show a post-ME3 timeline where old Liara is climbing on top of a dead Reaper to retrieve Shepard's helmet, unless that is going to be part of the core premise of Mass Effect Will Continue. You don't do that and then turn around and make a straight up Andromeda sequel or a Milky Way game that is basically Andromeda 2.0 (an attempt to "avoid" having to deal with the endings of ME3 by setting it in a remote part of space, which didn't really work out well for BioWare when they tried it with Andromeda).
I don't see how this demonstrates any core premise of what the next Mass Effect game is going to be like. To me people are taking this video too seriously for what it was really to be which was just an indicator they are working on the next Mass Effect game. I just don't see them having enough ideas finalized and approved to make a video that will cement what they are doing since the chances are very high it would get rejected, abandoned, or altered. To me it just looks like a video made in Frostbite with existing Mass Effect assets to demonstrate they are working on the next Mass Effect game. Much like the old Bond movies of the 60's where they would have a splash screen saying "James Bond will return." They know there is going to be new content in the IP, but that is all. Breaking down the video there its 100 seconds long, they spend 65 seconds before getting to the ship, five seconds with the ship in space, 20 seconds with the Asari climbing what looks to be a Reaper and cleaning off a fragment of a N7 helmet and the showing in profile and Asari that has characteristics of Liara and then the closing. There just is too little information for me to generated the firm opinion BioWare has enough content to know where they are going. Things change too much in development to give that kind of firm demonstration of where the game is going to go. They restarted DA4, they removed Javik from the ME3 core story, even scaled back Cerberus in ME1. Too much changes in the early stages for them to come out with a video with the "this is the direction".
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Post by Pounce de León on Jul 6, 2021 7:47:13 GMT
Peeps, there are 4 endings, not just 3. Refuse. Why not cannonize refuse; have the next cycle begin by its inhabitants finding Liara’s (and Shepard’s) Beacons, then starting to use them to face the eventual Reaper threat, and then having the MEA doofus’s show up back in The Milky Way and help them. Shepard never becomes some sort of monster by choosing one of the catalyst’s shitty choices, and he enables victory over the Reapers in the next cycle via the Beacons. Thus entering legend. Just a pipe dream. Biower is going to “screw the pooch” and do something that most will abhor - after all super-cockroach Mac Walters is still around, probably maintaining that the endings are gud……… A trilogy and lits sequel sporting pangalactic holocaust and genocide I think I had enough with the superlative menaces to everthing and everyone. It's time for something new. Stories dont need ever increasing threats, we had enough of it.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 6, 2021 13:44:29 GMT
Peeps, there are 4 endings, not just 3. Refuse. Why not cannonize refuse; have the next cycle begin by its inhabitants finding Liara’s (and Shepard’s) Beacons, then starting to use them to face the eventual Reaper threat, and then having the MEA doofus’s show up back in The Milky Way and help them. Shepard never becomes some sort of monster by choosing one of the catalyst’s shitty choices, and he enables victory over the Reapers in the next cycle via the Beacons. Thus entering legend. Just a pipe dream. Biower is going to “screw the pooch” and do something that most will abhor - after all super-cockroach Mac Walters is still around, probably maintaining that the endings are gud……… A trilogy and lits sequel sporting pangalactic holocaust and genocide I think I had enough with the superlative menaces to everthing and everyone. It's time for something new. Stories dont need ever increasing threats, we had enough of it. I'd like to agree, because Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 are some of my favourite games of all time and either of these games, were about just this one guy, Sarevok or Irenicus. Granted, Sarevok's plan had far reaching ramifications, but not like Bhaal's resurrection would have been a Reaper level event. But even as I wish we'd go back to those types of stories, I know we'd just get Kai Leng 2 nowadays. I'm not feeling confident. Not only that, we had a terrible villain in Corypheus last time we tried it and we're going to do it again with Solas this time, which I have even less interest in. I'm sure people will beg to differ, but I don't believe it.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 6, 2021 14:20:04 GMT
A trilogy and lits sequel sporting pangalactic holocaust and genocide I think I had enough with the superlative menaces to everthing and everyone. It's time for something new. Stories dont need ever increasing threats, we had enough of it. I'd like to agree, because Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 are some of my favourite games of all time and either of these games, were about just this one guy, Sarevok or Irenicus. Granted, Sarevok's plan had far reaching ramifications, but not like Bhaal's resurrection would have been a Reaper level event. But even as I wish we'd go back to those types of stories, I know we'd just get Kai Leng 2 nowadays. I'm not feeling confident. Not only that, we had a terrible villain in Corypheus last time we tried it and we're going to do it again with Solas this time, which I have even less interest in. I'm sure people will beg to differ, but I don't believe it. Bioware has lost the ability to make truly interesting villains. Now they are all either axe-crazy psychopaths or operating on Insane Troll Logic. What I wouldn't give for another Master Li, Jon Irenicus, or heck even Logain! I'm hoping that with Solas we might start getting interesting villains again.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 6, 2021 14:32:57 GMT
I'd like to agree, because Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 are some of my favourite games of all time and either of these games, were about just this one guy, Sarevok or Irenicus. Granted, Sarevok's plan had far reaching ramifications, but not like Bhaal's resurrection would have been a Reaper level event. But even as I wish we'd go back to those types of stories, I know we'd just get Kai Leng 2 nowadays. I'm not feeling confident. Not only that, we had a terrible villain in Corypheus last time we tried it and we're going to do it again with Solas this time, which I have even less interest in. I'm sure people will beg to differ, but I don't believe it. Bioware has lost the ability to make truly interesting villains. Now they are all either axe-crazy psychopaths or operating on Insane Troll Logic. What I wouldn't give for another Master Li, Jon Irenicus, or heck even Logain! I'm hoping that with Solas we might start getting interesting villains again. I have no interest in Solas. Which is why I've no interest in what Dragon Age does next. Wake me up in ... 2031? 2033? When the next DA game will release. Maybe then I'll be interested in something. I doubt it, though. I'm checked out on DA.
Besides, it's just the Corypheus plot, again, reskinned. Not something to get excited about, especially considering how poorly it was executed last time. There might be a twist, but I'm not holding my breath for it.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 6, 2021 14:50:26 GMT
Bioware has lost the ability to make truly interesting villains. Now they are all either axe-crazy psychopaths or operating on Insane Troll Logic. What I wouldn't give for another Master Li, Jon Irenicus, or heck even Logain! I'm hoping that with Solas we might start getting interesting villains again. I have no interest in Solas. Which is why I've no interest in what Dragon Age does next. Wake me up in ... 2031? 2033? When the next DA game will release. Maybe then I'll be interested in something. I doubt it, though. I'm checked out on DA.
Besides, it's just the Corypheus plot, again, reskinned. Not something to get excited about, especially considering how poorly it was executed last time. There might be a twist, but I'm not holding my breath for it.
Solas was clever and manipulative. a refreshing change from Corypheus-style Axe-crazy "Mwahahahahahaha!" villains or Insane Troll logic Starbrats or Bon-villain wannabes like TIM. I don't know what the plan of DANext is going to be (ad no I don't have a lot of hope for the stroy), but Solas at least has my attention.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 6, 2021 14:52:34 GMT
I have no interest in Solas. Which is why I've no interest in what Dragon Age does next. Wake me up in ... 2031? 2033? When the next DA game will release. Maybe then I'll be interested in something. I doubt it, though. I'm checked out on DA.
Besides, it's just the Corypheus plot, again, reskinned. Not something to get excited about, especially considering how poorly it was executed last time. There might be a twist, but I'm not holding my breath for it.
Solas was clever and manipulative. a refreshing change from Corypheus-style Axe-crazy "Mwahahahahahaha!" villains or Insane Troll logic Starbrats or Bon-villain wannabes like TIM. I don't know what the plan of DANext is going to be (ad no I don't have a lot of hope for the stroy), but Solas at least has my attention. Unless of course Bio character assassinate him in DA4...
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 6, 2021 15:02:44 GMT
Solas was clever and manipulative Like I've said, the moment he showed up, saying he was an elf and a mage on top of that, he should have been shot dead. I'm sorry, but that's just how it is, considering the circumstances under which he appeared. At the very least, he should have been missing a few fingers, some teeth, part of the nose, ears clipped, absolutely. And then killed.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 6, 2021 16:33:21 GMT
Solas was clever and manipulative Like I've said, the moment he showed up, saying he was an elf and a mage on top of that, he should have been shot dead. I'm sorry, but that's just how it is, considering the circumstances under which he appeared. At the very least, he should have been missing a few fingers, some teeth, part of the nose, ears clipped, absolutely. And then killed. Strange. It was Blackwall I had pegged as a liar from the start.
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 6, 2021 16:47:42 GMT
Solas was clever and manipulative Like I've said, the moment he showed up, saying he was an elf and a mage on top of that, he should have been shot dead. I'm sorry, but that's just how it is, considering the circumstances under which he appeared. At the very least, he should have been missing a few fingers, some teeth, part of the nose, ears clipped, absolutely. And then killed. That echoes my problems with Dragon Age as a whole, where the different races and classes are all treated equal if it has to do with the story of the game. I would say that how Mages, Elves, and Quanari are done in the Dragon Age games needs work. I never liked how in Dragon Age: Origins there was no negativity of any type towards my Elven Mage, I didn't need the violence, but just in dialogue alone would have been a major improvement. In the end you are treated exactly the same as a human warrior or any other combinations you could pick to play in the game.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 6, 2021 17:50:09 GMT
Bioware has lost the ability to make truly interesting villains. Now they are all either axe-crazy psychopaths or operating on Insane Troll Logic. What I wouldn't give for another Master Li, Jon Irenicus, or heck even Logain! I'm hoping that with Solas we might start getting interesting villains again. I have no interest in Solas. Which is why I've no interest in what Dragon Age does next. Wake me up in ... 2031? 2033? When the next DA game will release. Maybe then I'll be interested in something. I doubt it, though. I'm checked out on DA.
Besides, it's just the Corypheus plot, again, reskinned. Not something to get excited about, especially considering how poorly it was executed last time. There might be a twist, but I'm not holding my breath for it.
Especially since it's going to be a new protagonist who has no connection to him. The Inquisitor at least gave that interesting dynamic between hero and villain, but they decided to drop that.
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