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Post by rewindbutton on Jul 14, 2021 9:13:52 GMT
Working as designed. When something seems funny, but you can't point an obvious flaw in the system, it's usually WAD. I expected these temperatures when I planned the build. Running it constantly at 80C is going to shorten the life expectancy of the AIO. Which got me thinking that it might be a good time to build a custom loop rig.
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Post by rewindbutton on Jul 14, 2021 9:17:41 GMT
I've collected the parts to the list, but not bought it yet.. Keep us posted!
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jul 14, 2021 9:29:14 GMT
Sure. Parts list at the moment: Ryzen 9 5950X 829 Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming 270 DPC-LatencyCorsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3600 MHz 64GB 379 Noctua NH-D15 115 Samsung 980 PRO 2TB 7000/5100MB/s 430 Crucial BX500 2 TB SATA III 194 Seasonic Prime PX 850 W Platinum 260 RME HDSPe AIO Pro 735 Fractal Design Define 7 160 3372€
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 10:06:47 GMT
I was dead set on a custom loop for this build. Then I had to buy the GPU that was available, not the one that worked for my loop plan. Big return there Custom loop still needs fans, but it would have been less of them. Damn you MSI. There was no suitable water block for the GPU? Was it a kit or a kit/custom hybrid? There was not a block I wanted at the time, but the issue wasn't the GPU block, as I would have added that later. The issue was the massive ridiculous size of the Gaming X Trio 3070. It is significantly larger than the TUF I had wanted, and that made fitting my pump and reservoir and radiator too tight for my case. It would have worked, but it wouldn't have worked optimally and it would have looked too busy for my calm. Many compromises in this last build, by far my most frustrating due to restricted choice. It was not a good time to build.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jul 14, 2021 11:25:53 GMT
Working as designed. When something seems funny, but you can't point an obvious flaw in the system, it's usually WAD. I expected these temperatures when I planned the build. Running it constantly at 80C is going to shorten the life expectancy of the AIO. Which got me thinking that it might be a good time to build a custom loop rig. Haha, I mean it doesn't actually run at 80C constantly. On Cinebench R23 multi-core, the average temperature is only at 60C. On single-core, the average temperature is 70C while peaking at 75C or so. In Cyberpunk 2077 the highest average temperature I've seen is at 77C while peaking at 83C. In other games like Shadow of the Tomb Raider and GTA Online, the average temperature is at a much more reasonable 65-70C. This CPU can reach that kind of peak temperature in a split second but it rarely stays there. The default fan curve seems to work to prevent the chip from hitting the 90C thermal limit. I guess I'll try undervolting, but frankly, I'm way too lazy to maintain a custom loop system. Even hauling my PC to the backyard and blowing it with an air compressor is too much work for me.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jul 14, 2021 11:25:54 GMT
There was no suitable water block for the GPU? Was it a kit or a kit/custom hybrid? There was not a block I wanted at the time, but the issue wasn't the GPU block, as I would have added that later. The issue was the massive ridiculous size of the Gaming X Trio 3070. It is significantly larger than the TUF I had wanted, and that made fitting my pump and reservoir and radiator too tight for my case. It would have worked, but it wouldn't have worked optimally and it would have looked too busy for my calm. Many compromises in this last build, by far my most frustrating due to restricted choice. It was not a good time to build. Sorry to hear that, Artist. I have been very fortunate.... Never really had to make compromises with my hardware. Over the years, if I am disappointed in something or have found flaws in something have bought....It has been the cases. And though I have always managed to get the cases I want (at the time) it has been only after I actually USE them (not just watched review vids, etc) that I discover where the flaws actually lie. In recent memory.....There was the HAF XB EVO Cube. A nifty little case, great if you need to save space and it was very light in weight. At the time I had come from the monstrous HAF X Full Tower, which was great performing....It was just unbelievably heavy, and I wanted something a lot smaller, lighter, and something that would not allow the GPU to sag and bend the socket as had happened with my Maximus VI (Anti) Hero motherboard 2x. So I saw this Linus Tech Tips review for this nifty cube case that kept all your hardware flat. The motherboard tray was horizontal so that GPUs (I had two 980 FTWs at the time) mounted vertically, but all the stress pointed were attacked to a flat surface. And for its size, it had some decent cooling potential. A giant 200 mm fan on the lid that and 2x140 on the front with an 80 or 120 on the back. The kicker was workable space and cable management. Everything got stuffed into the bottom where there was open space beneath the motherboard track. And its smalll form factor made it difficult to work on/in especially with full sized hardware like a pair of 12 inch GPUs. But it was only after owning that case and actually working with it numerous times that I had realized its faults and decided I was better with something else. As well, my very first case that I bought myself that lasted me through several builds (not just my own, but other peoples') and is still working to house my aunt's PC......Is the original ANTEC 900. For its time, it had amazing cooling and connectivity/expandability potential. But the biggest downer that was apparent even on the day of purchase was because of all the storage bays (there were no tool-free cages yet. The 9 Drive bays where fabricated into the front inner part of the case.....which drastically cut down on actual workable space. It was a large case on the outside....But even for its size, it was quite small and cumbersome on the inside. That was the first and only ANTEC case I ever bought. Then in 2003 I made the switch to Cooler Master and haven't looked back.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jul 14, 2021 11:32:26 GMT
This CPU can reach that kind of peak temperature in a split second but it rarely stays there. The default fan curve seems to work to prevent the chip from hitting the 90C thermal limit. I guess I'll try undervolting, but frankly, I'm way too lazy to maintain a custom loop system. Even hauling my PC to the backyard and blowing it with an air compressor is too much work for me. I blow them inside! ... using canned blow air & vacuum cleaner next to the blowable area. I know, gotta be extra careful. But yeah, I'd rather go to balcony for cleaning, but that would mean I would have to shutdown the computer and take all the cables off etc.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jul 14, 2021 13:52:37 GMT
sometimes I have been known to use a can of compressed air (preferably DUST OFF), a vacuum and even a paint brush with fine, soft bristles.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jul 14, 2021 13:56:23 GMT
I think you all know this but dont vacuum or blow with compressed air to the fans. I didnt know this in 90's and killed a couple of fans
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jul 14, 2021 14:43:06 GMT
I think you all know this but dont vacuum or blow with compressed air to the fans. I didnt know this in 90's and killed a couple of fans Not when they're on and running, of course! that would absolutely kill the fans for sure because the suction of the vacuum causes the fans to spin in the opposite direction that they are spinning in when powered....Thus it would kill the motor. IF I am going to use a vacuum on any part of my system, I always unplug everything, pull the power plug, flip the I/O switch on the power supply and make sure to ground myself and discharge any electricity from my body before I touch anything. Also....I do not touch any part of the vacuum to any piece of hardware....Always make sure to hold it just above whatever I am cleaning, and I don't do it for very long two, maybe 3 seconds at the very most per part. But more to your point....I either compressed air.....OR vacuum and I use them one at a time. I have never used BOTH at the same time.
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Post by rewindbutton on Jul 14, 2021 14:49:42 GMT
Sure. Parts list at the moment: Ryzen 9 5950X 829 Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming 270 DPC-LatencyCorsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3600 MHz 64GB 379 Noctua NH-D15 115 Samsung 980 PRO 2TB 7000/5100MB/s 430 Crucial BX500 2 TB SATA III 194 Seasonic Prime PX 850 W Platinum 260 RME HDSPe AIO Pro 735 Fractal Design Define 7 160 3372€ Looks good to me. That price tag though... No Graphics card listed?
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Post by rewindbutton on Jul 14, 2021 14:53:07 GMT
Yeah, custom loops require a crazy big case. I would have to rearrange our den to fit one in. Seriously thinking about it though.
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Post by rewindbutton on Jul 14, 2021 14:58:51 GMT
I'm way too lazy to maintain a custom loop system Like I said to EB, they have evolved in that respect. And you can always combo air cooling, AIOs, kits and full custom components. hauling my PC to the backyard and blowing it with an air compressor is too much work for me. I hear ya. Gaming rigs weigh a ton.
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Post by rewindbutton on Jul 14, 2021 15:01:56 GMT
that would mean I would have to shutdown the computer and take all the cables off Yup, same here. But you do what must be done.
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Post by rewindbutton on Jul 14, 2021 15:11:27 GMT
a vacuum and even a paint brush with fine, soft bristles. I think you all know this but dont vacuum or blow with compressed air to the fans. Well, what ever method you use, you have to be careful. Static electricity is your enemy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 15:17:19 GMT
I have one word for the latest trend in discussion here -
DataVac
Name is misleading, it is endless canned air. You want this, I have started a bit of trend with them in our industry.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jul 14, 2021 15:43:45 GMT
Sure. Parts list at the moment: Ryzen 9 5950X 829 Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming 270 DPC-LatencyCorsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3600 MHz 64GB 379 Noctua NH-D15 115 Samsung 980 PRO 2TB 7000/5100MB/s 430 Crucial BX500 2 TB SATA III 194 Seasonic Prime PX 850 W Platinum 260 RME HDSPe AIO Pro 735 Fractal Design Define 7 160 3372€ Looks good to me. That price tag though... No Graphics card listed? Yep I did not yet look at the lowest prices available. I heard I could get cheaper from Germany than from FI. No graphics card, the ones I want (3070+) are hard to get and high priced, so I'll either move 1070OC from current or buy some lowend "show desktop" for time being. That works for audio software as usually they are not using GPU much. Also can get B-Stock RME cards from Thomann for 100€ less...
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jul 14, 2021 16:10:36 GMT
I have one word for the latest trend in discussion here - DataVac Name is misleading, it is endless canned air. You want this, I have started a bit of trend with them in our industry. DataVac Dusters are getting very expensive. I have something similar called XPOWER A-2. Basically does the same thing for only like $45.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jul 14, 2021 16:33:56 GMT
Like I said to EB, they have evolved in that respect. And you can always combo air cooling, AIOs, kits and full custom components. Yeah, I can get EVGA's hybrid 240mm AIO for my 3090 FTW3, but then I can't call that a "custom loop." Haha. If I ever decide to water cool the 3090, I might just do a soft tubing custom loop using EK's CPU and GPU water block with two full 360mm radiators. The 3090 is a 450-watt problem and it really requires some serious cooling. They even recommend an additional backplate waterblock to cool the GDDR6X on the back of the video card. The thing is that I just can't see myself topping off the fluid regularly or draining, disassembling, and cleaning the water blocks every couple months.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 16:53:27 GMT
I have one word for the latest trend in discussion here - DataVac Name is misleading, it is endless canned air. You want this, I have started a bit of trend with them in our industry. DataVac Dusters are getting very expensive. I have something similar called XPOWER A-2. Basically does the same thing for only like $45. I got mine before they were cool, I guess That looks like the same thing - if the price is right and it performs similarly, no brainer.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jul 14, 2021 17:14:47 GMT
But more to your point....I either compressed air.....OR vacuum and I use them one at a time. I have never used BOTH at the same time. I use the vacuum to catch the air bursted dust. Wearing a mask is a good thing too, as I dont want to inhale dust.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jul 14, 2021 18:11:45 GMT
Yeah, custom loops require a crazy big case. I would have to rearrange our den to fit one in. Seriously thinking about it though. Who needs a Family Room anyway?
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Post by rewindbutton on Jul 15, 2021 10:45:02 GMT
I might just do a soft tubing custom loop using EK's CPU and GPU water block with two full 360mm radiators. Yeah, I'd say that going custom isn't worth it unless you go with two 360s. That is a lot of heat to dissipate. The thing is that I just can't see myself topping off the fluid regularly or draining, disassembling, and cleaning the water blocks every couple months. Luckily you don't have to. Modern coolants need to be changed only after 6-12 months. What you do is, you never put water in to the loop, never ever, distilled or otherwise. With PETG tubing and clear premix coolant you can run for a year, sometimes longer without changing the coolant.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jul 23, 2021 18:44:16 GMT
A while back, I wrote about noticing that my Core Speeds were randomly bouncing all over the place-- even at idle when I was just looking at my Desktop with nothing open.....the Speeds were jumping core by core, from 650, 800, 2650, 3700, 4200, 5000 and everything in between every second. Numbers just bouncing thither and yon. Yet all my Core Temps remained between 30 and 33 degrees from Core 0 to Core 9 down the list. And even when I was playing ROTR with everything maxed-out on ULTRA and DLSS ON.....The Core Temps never got about 45 degrees while playing. Then as soon as I exited the game.....they cooled right down back down to that 30-33 degrees C mark and stayed there.
Just for info....I decided to call the Canada COmputers store that worked on my PC and I spoke to someone at the Service Desk who said " As long as your Core Temperatures don't ramdomly start fluctuating and reaching 75 to 85 or more-- that's throttling because of heat, and that will cause a problem over time. If it is merely a case of Core Temps being as low as 30 degrees at idle then rising to the low 40s even when playing a game under load....And then when you stop they cool right back down. THat's perfectly normal. Also if the Temps remain constent, but it is the Speeds that change randomly that tells me that it is the built-in (ON by Default) Intel Turbo Boost that the Processor is taking advantage of naturally. If you are watching the core speeds jumping, but the temperatures remain the same throughout....That is perfectly normal, natural, acceptable behaviour for that CPU. And if you are using the Corsair H115i RGB PRO XT-- that is an amazing liquid Cooler that is far more than you need, and with temps as low as your even int he upper 40s or low 50s under the load of a game....That tells me that that model cooler is far better performing than you actually need, and that the amazing cooling performance of the H115i RGB PRO XT is doing its job and keeping your CPU remarkably cool.
Don't worry, everything you are seeing is perfectly normal and natural, and from what you have told me....Even the hot CPU like the 10900KF is being kept incredibly cool under load, so you are getting amazing performance. BUT IF you ever see Core temps jump up and down and get the point of reaching that 80+ mark and causing System errors, defects and instability....That is what you really need to watch out for. Yet with a configuration like yours I highly, highly doubt you will see issues like that. Don't worry, your system is working incredibly well.
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