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Post by rowrow on Nov 21, 2016 19:34:57 GMT
Hm, I can't imagine disliking him. He's just a everyones' friend kind of guy. The sort of person you wish you knew in real life. Charming, kind, and nonjudgmental (comparatively) around a lot of crazy sh*t! The friend you go to when you did something stupid and you need help or advice. Only during my jerk play throughs can I roll a character that doesn't like Varric! So, anywho, after much praise, I have to ask-- why do you dislike him? Just out of curiosity, what specifically did you not like about Varric? Funny, I would have thought a guy who does his best to get along with everyone would be right up your alley ... It's hard to explain, but he just never seemed very genuine about it to me, like all of his 'friendships' was deep down for his benefit in one way or another. For example him acting like friends with Hawke in order to get Hawke to invest in the Deep Roads expedition, thus benefiting him. Maybe its just a byproduct of Bioware trying to force him into the best friend role rather than let it build organically, but he was like this with everything like in DAI his reasons for helping the Inquisition is just because if left unchecked it would affect him. Then of course their was his betrayal of not one but two of my characters in a single scene: the revelation that he always knew where Hawke was. It was an obvious betrayal of trust to my Inquisitor, but with how my Hawke tended to be(of course Bioware screwed that up with the NPC Hawke) it felt like a betrayal of them as well since they would have offered to help Cassandra, Leliana, and the forming Inquisition. If I'm not wrong, the original character concept for Varric was sort of this sleazy car salesman. I think they ended up making him much more of a good guy than they originally intended. He's definitely not what you'd call an upstanding citizen, but frankly I think he's got a better heart than most of the companions we get in all three games. Even Cassandra says as much - "He blasphemes with every breath, but his heart is virtuous." In DA2, he does things like pay off people to make sure that Merrill doesn't get harassed when she walks around Lowtown at night. To me, that's typical Varric: he looks out for his people even when they're much more trouble than they're worth. What's the benefit of trying to take someone like Cole under his wing, for instance? And I think it's quite clear what his reasons for helping out the Inquisition are. He feels partly responsible because he unintentionally helped Hawke unleash Corypheus on the world. Now with someone like Vivienne, who isn't shown to have deep ties to anyone other than her Duke, you could reasonably argue that being in the Inquisition is mainly about self-interest and self-preservation. But there are too many examples of Varric genuinely caring about others and being a weird sort of Mother Hen for me to buy that. There's no monetary or political benefit to his being in the Inquisition, and he's not even in a position to do much there - politics, religion and war aren't his wheelhouse. Plus, there's plenty of danger. But he's still with the Inquisition, and I have no trouble believing it's his conscience that keeps him there.
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Post by Catilina on Nov 21, 2016 19:40:06 GMT
It's hard to explain, but he just never seemed very genuine about it to me, like all of his 'friendships' was deep down for his benefit in one way or another. For example him acting like friends with Hawke in order to get Hawke to invest in the Deep Roads expedition, thus benefiting him. Maybe its just a byproduct of Bioware trying to force him into the best friend role rather than let it build organically, but he was like this with everything like in DAI his reasons for helping the Inquisition is just because if left unchecked it would affect him. Then of course their was his betrayal of not one but two of my characters in a single scene: the revelation that he always knew where Hawke was. It was an obvious betrayal of trust to my Inquisitor, but with how my Hawke tended to be(of course Bioware screwed that up with the NPC Hawke) it felt like a betrayal of them as well since they would have offered to help Cassandra, Leliana, and the forming Inquisition. If I'm not wrong, the original character concept for Varric was sort of this sleazy car salesman. I think they ended up making him much more of a good guy than they originally intended. He's definitely not what you'd call an upstanding citizen, but frankly I think he's got a better heart than most of the companions we get in all three games. Even Cassandra says as much - "He blasphemes with every breath, but his heart is virtuous." In DA2, he does things like pay off people to make sure that Merrill doesn't get harassed when she walks around Lowtown at night. To me, that's typical Varric: he looks out for his people even when they're much more trouble than they're worth. What's the benefit of trying to take someone like Cole under his wing, for instance? And I think it's quite clear what his reasons for helping out the Inquisition are. He feels partly responsible because he unintentionally helped Hawke unleash Corypheus on the world. Now with someone like Vivienne, who isn't shown to have deep ties to anyone other than her Duke, you could reasonably argue that being in the Inquisition is mainly about self-interest and self-preservation. But there are too many examples of Varric genuinely caring about others and being a weird sort of Mother Hen for me to buy that . There's no monetary or political benefit to his being in the Inquisition, and he's not even in a position to do much there - politics, religion and war aren't his wheelhouse. Plus, there's plenty of danger. But he's still with the Inquisition, and I have no trouble believing it's his conscience that keeps him there. "Has a good shot at fixing Blondie's mess".
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Post by rowrow on Nov 21, 2016 19:46:38 GMT
I think that Cass expected he'd be loyal to the Inquisition, not so much her personally. Plus she just hates being lied to. Plus she's still haunted by the idea that Hawke could somehow saved the Divine. I have no trouble believing Varric lied. He's the sort who keeps an eye on his friends, he's certainly bullshitted on Hawke's behalf in DA2, so why wouldn't he lie to protect them from someone like Cass? Especially when Cass does pretty much come off as a scary Chantry fanatic when we first see her in DA2. He's loyal, but not JUST to Inquisition. He contacted with Hawke immediately, only he don't tell this to Cassandra. This is not exactly lie, if Varric don't knew, where is Hawke. (Okay, I know, maybe I have weird image about what is the lie...) Cassandra was naive (naive Seeker?! how she was able to her position?), if she was really disappointed ... I know he's not loyal to just the Inquisition. But you said that Cassandra expected him to be loyal to her, and I was saying I think she expected him to be loyal to the Inquisition. Cassandra's not naive, but at the end of the day, she's still an incredibly idealistic person. She values trust and loyalty over things like politics and connections. And however much she might have known Varric was capable of lying to her, she'd been fighting alongside him for some time at that point and probably thought of him as a comrade. Don't forget, she might disapprove of him in many ways but she still thinks he's good at heart. I'm certain she always knew there was the possibility he was lying to her, but that doesn't take away the emotional sting of actually being confronted with it. That, plus being faced once again with the horrible possibility that she failed to prevent Justinia's death, and of course you got a huge emotional reaction from her. By the way, I don't fault Varric for lying about Hawke. I'm just saying that there's no need for me to quibble over whether it was technically a lie or not. The intent was definitely there.
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Post by rowrow on Nov 21, 2016 19:51:33 GMT
If I'm not wrong, the original character concept for Varric was sort of this sleazy car salesman. I think they ended up making him much more of a good guy than they originally intended. He's definitely not what you'd call an upstanding citizen, but frankly I think he's got a better heart than most of the companions we get in all three games. Even Cassandra says as much - "He blasphemes with every breath, but his heart is virtuous." In DA2, he does things like pay off people to make sure that Merrill doesn't get harassed when she walks around Lowtown at night. To me, that's typical Varric: he looks out for his people even when they're much more trouble than they're worth. What's the benefit of trying to take someone like Cole under his wing, for instance? And I think it's quite clear what his reasons for helping out the Inquisition are. He feels partly responsible because he unintentionally helped Hawke unleash Corypheus on the world. Now with someone like Vivienne, who isn't shown to have deep ties to anyone other than her Duke, you could reasonably argue that being in the Inquisition is mainly about self-interest and self-preservation. But there are too many examples of Varric genuinely caring about others and being a weird sort of Mother Hen for me to buy that . There's no monetary or political benefit to his being in the Inquisition, and he's not even in a position to do much there - politics, religion and war aren't his wheelhouse. Plus, there's plenty of danger. But he's still with the Inquisition, and I have no trouble believing it's his conscience that keeps him there. "Has a good shot at fixing Blondie's mess". Yup, that's right. He also introduced Hawke and Anders. So he likely feels indirectly responsible for both Cory and the Mage-Templar war.
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Post by Catilina on Nov 21, 2016 23:17:25 GMT
"Has a good shot at fixing Blondie's mess". Yup, that's right. He also introduced Hawke and Anders. So he likely feels indirectly responsible for both Cory and the Mage-Templar war. Yes. And he's really bitter because of Anders. Anders is the only one LI, to whom he does not write letter, when Hawke move to Weisshaupt (or he just not tell that to Inquisitor, this also would be understandable). And I think he know, that not exactly this was Anders' goal:
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Post by dragontartare on Nov 21, 2016 23:55:29 GMT
Hm, I can't imagine disliking him. He's just a everyones' friend kind of guy. The sort of person you wish you knew in real life. Charming, kind, and nonjudgmental (comparatively) around a lot of crazy sh*t! The friend you go to when you did something stupid and you need help or advice. Only during my jerk play throughs can I roll a character that doesn't like Varric! So, anywho, after much praise, I have to ask-- why do you dislike him? Just out of curiosity, what specifically did you not like about Varric? Funny, I would have thought a guy who does his best to get along with everyone would be right up your alley ... It's hard to explain, but he just never seemed very genuine about it to me, like all of his 'friendships' was deep down for his benefit in one way or another. For example him acting like friends with Hawke in order to get Hawke to invest in the Deep Roads expedition, thus benefiting him. Maybe its just a byproduct of Bioware trying to force him into the best friend role rather than let it build organically, but he was like this with everything like in DAI his reasons for helping the Inquisition is just because if left unchecked it would affect him. Then of course their was his betrayal of not one but two of my characters in a single scene: the revelation that he always knew where Hawke was. It was an obvious betrayal of trust to my Inquisitor, but with how my Hawke tended to be(of course Bioware screwed that up with the NPC Hawke) it felt like a betrayal of them as well since they would have offered to help Cassandra, Leliana, and the forming Inquisition. How did he act like he was friends with Hawke? The friendship grew over the years, but initially Varric just saw Hawke as someone who got things done, and therefore could be a good investor for the expedition. He was very honest about his intentions. If you're referring to him catching the pickpocket to get Hawke's coinpurse back, even Cassandra admits that Varric has a good heart. He's a smuggler, not a thug. Besides, considering he's planning to ask Hawke to come up with a lot of money, I see nothing dishonest in helping Hawke get their recently-stolen gold back. Varric could walk away from the Inquisition at any time and hole up somewhere until Corypheus is defeated (or until he conquers Thedas), just like most other citizens are doing. Unlike the Inquisitor, who has to stay due to the magic green hand, Varric is no more tied to this cause than Farmer Joe is tied to it, and yet Varric chooses to risk his life over and over again to stay and help. He is doing more to defeat Corypheus than the vast majority of people are doing -- more than the vast majority of wealthy citizens, if you want to compare like with like -- and you want to criticize what you believe his reasons to be? No, he didn't betray anyone here. When Cassandra kidnapped and interrogated him, the future Inquisitor had yet to even hear the word "Inquisitor," so Varric could not have betrayed them. Varric wrote to Hawke to let them know what was going on as soon as he realized how serious things were (while everyone was still at Haven), leaving it up to his friend to decide if he or she wanted to help. At that very early point in the game, the only person Varric owed any loyalty to was Hawke, his friend of a decade, and Varric did not betray them. "Betrayal" would have been spilling Hawke's location to Cassandra, so that Cassandra could have ambushed Hawke with her kidnapping brigade and brought a potentially injured, shocked, or unwilling Hawke to Haven. Varric handled things the best way he could have without metagame knowledge.
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Post by Sifr on Nov 22, 2016 1:42:20 GMT
Yes. And he's really bitter because of Anders. Anders is the only one LI, to whom he does not write letter, when Hawke move to Weisshaupt (or he just not tell that to Inquisitor, this also would be understandable). I think that Anders betrayal hit Varric especially hard, because he did consider Anders a good friend once. They have a lot of joking banter for the first two Acts in DA2, only for Anders to get increasingly grim and serious by Act 3, something that Varric shows a lot of concern about. Not only does he blame himself for introducing Anders to Hawke, but I think he slightly blames himself for not seeing how bad Anders was getting, or feels he could have done more to try and pull him back from the brink. We know that Anders viewed Varric as a good friend, a sentiment he voices when trying to give Varric the handmade pillow that once belonged to his mother. I think we can assume that Hawke and Varric were Anders closest friends during his time in Kirkwall, since he bickered with most everyone else in the party.
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Post by Catilina on Nov 22, 2016 2:02:56 GMT
Yes. And he's really bitter because of Anders. Anders is the only one LI, to whom he does not write letter, when Hawke move to Weisshaupt (or he just not tell that to Inquisitor, this also would be understandable). I think that Anders betrayal hit Varric especially hard, because he did consider Anders a good friend once. They have a lot of joking banter for the first two Acts in DA2, only for Anders to get increasingly grim and serious by Act 3, something that Varric shows a lot of concern about. Not only does he blame himself for introducing Anders to Hawke, but I think he slightly blames himself for not seeing how bad Anders was getting, or feels he could have done more to try and pull him back from the brink. We know that Anders viewed Varric as a good friend, a sentiment he voices when trying to give Varric the handmade pillow that once belonged to his mother. I think we can assume that Hawke and Varric were Anders closest friends during his time in Kirkwall, since he bickered with most everyone else in the party. Yes, Anders was one of his best friend in Kirkwall, as I see, and finally he blew up his home. I think, his disappointment somewhat understandable... And also true, that Varric always looked for the peaceful solutions. From whole group Varric was who cared about Kirkwall. Hawke: "I know, how much you hated leaving Kirkwall"
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Post by rowrow on Nov 22, 2016 7:51:44 GMT
I think that Anders betrayal hit Varric especially hard, because he did consider Anders a good friend once. They have a lot of joking banter for the first two Acts in DA2, only for Anders to get increasingly grim and serious by Act 3, something that Varric shows a lot of concern about. Not only does he blame himself for introducing Anders to Hawke, but I think he slightly blames himself for not seeing how bad Anders was getting, or feels he could have done more to try and pull him back from the brink. We know that Anders viewed Varric as a good friend, a sentiment he voices when trying to give Varric the handmade pillow that once belonged to his mother. I think we can assume that Hawke and Varric were Anders closest friends during his time in Kirkwall, since he bickered with most everyone else in the party. Yes, Anders was one of his best friend in Kirkwall, as I see, and finally he blew up his home. I think, his disappointment somewhat understandable... And also true, that Varric always looked for the peaceful solutions. From whole group Varric was who cared about Kirkwall. Hawke: "I know, how much you hated leaving Kirkwall"Love for Kirkwall is the only reason I can think of that a person like Varric would do the Viscount job. Paperwork and getting yelled at by Aveline 24/7
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Post by rowrow on Nov 22, 2016 8:54:39 GMT
My only problem with Varric in DAI was that he seemed to be there to provide exposition of previous plotlines and characters and when I was playing an archer it made both him and Sera superfluous. However, he is clearly a good friend to the Inquisitor. After all you get to play a game of Wicked Grace when poor Hawke wasn't even invited to his private card game/drinking parties (even their Mabari hound was invited in preference to them). Him being there in place of your LI to look admiringly up at your PC at the end, also applies if you romance Solas because he's already departed. May be it isn't so significant if you are playing a non-mage Trevellyan, since they are Freemarches nobility anyway but I was actually rather touched by his elevating my elf to the ranks of the nobility, giving them the key to the harbour chains (actually rather important really) and an estate of their own. So you don't simply sink back into obscurity after all your efforts for the Inquisition; Varric knows the meaning of gratitude. Or may be he just wanted you there to make up his party for Wicked Grace. I must admit I would imagine you would really have to work at it to get him not to like you, same as DA2. Presumably you have to be a complete and utter sh**! I would love to know what Varric really thinks about Solas and his plans. Varric is good in a party with anyone. That is the beauty of him as a character. I did rather enjoy his banter with Fenris in DA2 and I think he and Zevran would have got on rather well in DAO. Replying to an older post -- To me, Varric serves a very important emotional function. He's the dwarf version of the tavern you go to at the end of the day to just talk about the crazy stuff that's gone down. He's more about people than causes, so he'll always relate to you on a basic person level before all else, and regardless of your background, he's friendly until you give him a reason not to be. In both DA2 and DAI, he appears in the first act of the game as a guy who's already prepared to be on your side. He puts you at ease, doesn't matter if you're an apostate or elf or noble. In DAI, I think he's the first character in Haven to properly ask the hero how they're holding up under the stress. And I feel like no matter what happens in the Inquisitor's journey, he can always be counted on to bring things back to the basic level of how it affects people. e.g. when Vivienne asks him what Anders hoped to accomplish by blowing up the Chantry, Varric says nothing about Mage-Templar politics, he just says "a whole lot of innocent people killing each other." Admittedly, I don't know what Varric is really like when he hates your character. He rants a bit about Bartrand but still ends up helping him in the end. I imagine that however he feels about Solas is a stronger version of how he feels about Anders, or about a Sebastian who led an invasion of Kirkwall, but we never really see him lose his temper over either, I don't think. I would've loved to see him interact with Zevran, they'd both have tons of stories to trade.
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Post by javeart on Nov 22, 2016 9:41:01 GMT
(...) Varric is good in a party with anyone. That is the beauty of him as a character. I did rather enjoy his banter with Fenris in DA2 and I think he and Zevran would have got on rather well in DAO. (...) I would've loved to see him interact with Zevran, they'd both have tons of stories to trade. I'd love to have some Zevran/Varric banter too, but it's true that Varric is always fun to listen to, no matter who else is there. Even if I could never see him as a best friend for the inquisitor (i see more Dorian in that role), I always try to take him with me as much as I can, because his banter is one of my favourites (with Sola's and Cole's). It's super unfortunate that two slots in my party are permanently occupied by mages when it comes to banter, I have the same problem to take Dorian with me... I have heard so little of the banter between Varric, Dorian, Vivienne, Sera and Cole... I wish I was better at combat , I have a hard time without a tank, specially in higher difificulties (I know I could just heard in youtube but it's not the same).
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Post by Catilina on Nov 22, 2016 12:42:00 GMT
Yes, Anders was one of his best friend in Kirkwall, as I see, and finally he blew up his home. I think, his disappointment somewhat understandable... And also true, that Varric always looked for the peaceful solutions. From whole group Varric was who cared about Kirkwall. Hawke: "I know, how much you hated leaving Kirkwall"Love for Kirkwall is the only reason I can think of that a person like Varric would do the Viscount job. Paperwork and getting yelled at by Aveline 24/7 Well Aveline... I think, Aveline feel Kirkwall her home, but, she loves his job, better than the place, where carries out her work .
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Post by fylimar on Nov 22, 2016 15:36:36 GMT
Yes. And he's really bitter because of Anders. Anders is the only one LI, to whom he does not write letter, when Hawke move to Weisshaupt (or he just not tell that to Inquisitor, this also would be understandable). I think that Anders betrayal hit Varric especially hard, because he did consider Anders a good friend once. They have a lot of joking banter for the first two Acts in DA2, only for Anders to get increasingly grim and serious by Act 3, something that Varric shows a lot of concern about. Not only does he blame himself for introducing Anders to Hawke, but I think he slightly blames himself for not seeing how bad Anders was getting, or feels he could have done more to try and pull him back from the brink. We know that Anders viewed Varric as a good friend, a sentiment he voices when trying to give Varric the handmade pillow that once belonged to his mother. I think we can assume that Hawke and Varric were Anders closest friends during his time in Kirkwall, since he bickered with most everyone else in the party. I agree. And I think, he feels in a way, that he failed Anders, but then, there was probably nothing, he could have done, with a demonised Justice around. I think, Varric would still be among the first to volunteer to help Anders to get separated from Justice, if a method would have come up. He probably still hopes, that the old Anders is somewhere in there. I can understand, how people could feel betrayed for him not telling the truth about Hawkes whereabouts, but as Catilina pointed out, he made it very clear, why he did it: to protect a very good friend, who has been through enough in her life. And that is the action of a true friend. And he probably was right: Hawke would just have died with all the others at the conclave.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 22, 2016 21:23:40 GMT
I never felt betrayed for Varric not revealing Hawke's whereabouts. After all, up until Corypheus turned up there was no real reason to tell anyone. He certainly wasn't close enough to the Inquisitor to feel the need to tell them. Everything was still up in the air concerning the mage/Templar situation and I am sure he felt, unlike Cassandra, that Hawke getting involved would only make things worse. For all Cassandra's insistence at the end of DA2 that Hawke could help matters, after reading Asunder, I don't see it myself. Hawke had no real connection to either leader of the two factions. If they sided with the Templars in Kirkwall, then the mages wouldn't trust them; if they sided with the mages, then the Templars wouldn't pay them any heed (particularly if Hawke was a mage). In fact if Hawke had thought they would make a difference, they could have gone to the Conclave independently of Cassandra's efforts. So to my mind Varric was entirely justified in standing by their friend and giving his loyalty to them before the Divine or Cassandra (who after all had originally been interrogating him as a prisoner).
As soon as it became clear who the Elder One was, then Varric immediately did the right thing and contacted Hawke, who also then willing came out of hiding in order to help. Cassandra was definitely the one who needed to step back and think about things a little less personally because that is all it was really; Varric had made a fool out of her - all that table thumping and intimidation had been useless in the face of someone who was genuinely loyal to their friends.
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Post by rowrow on Nov 23, 2016 6:30:30 GMT
... As soon as it became clear who the Elder One was, then Varric immediately did the right thing and contacted Hawke, who also then willing came out of hiding in order to help. Cassandra was definitely the one who needed to step back and think about things a little less personally because that is all it was really; Varric had made a fool out of her - all that table thumping and intimidation had been useless in the face of someone who was genuinely loyal to their friends. Not disagreeing that she took the wrong approach with Varric, but there's more to it than a simple loss of face on Cassandra's end. I don't actually think she cares if Varric got one over her. What really disturbs her is the idea that it was her own misjudgement, and thus her failure to get Hawke to the Conclave, that might've killed Justinia. It's thinking typical of a Seeker, as described by Cassandra herself - if she doesn't solve the problem, who will? And you just know she's been stewing over that since the beginning of the game. But what I love about that scene is that she lets go of that very same idea by the end of it, and admits that if things hadn't happened the way they did, the Inquisitor wouldn't be there.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Dec 6, 2016 16:58:58 GMT
So, I was wondering, if you take Varric into the Fade with you and you decide to leave Hawke, does he have any special dialogue or exchange with Hawke?
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Post by Catilina on Dec 6, 2016 17:02:44 GMT
So, I was wondering, if you take Varric into the Fade with you and you decide to leave Hawke, does he have any special dialogue or exchange with Hawke? I think yes (never happened); all character have special dialogue, if they turned against Hawke.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Dec 6, 2016 17:38:24 GMT
So, I was wondering, if you take Varric into the Fade with you and you decide to leave Hawke, does he have any special dialogue or exchange with Hawke? I think yes (never happened); all character have special dialogue, if they turned against Hawke. Oh, my bad. I didn't specify. I meant when the Inquisitor goes into the Fade with Hawke in Inquisition. If you decide to leave Hawke and you have Varric in your party, does he comment on Hawke staying or does Hawke say something to him?
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Post by Catilina on Dec 6, 2016 17:49:39 GMT
I think yes (never happened); all character have special dialogue, if they turned against Hawke. Oh, my bad. I didn't specify. I meant when the Inquisitor goes into the Fade with Hawke in Inquisition. If you decide to leave Hawke and you have Varric in your party, does he comment on Hawke staying or does Hawke say something to him? (My mistake, misunderstod you) No – I found this:
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Dec 6, 2016 20:43:12 GMT
Oh, my bad. I didn't specify. I meant when the Inquisitor goes into the Fade with Hawke in Inquisition. If you decide to leave Hawke and you have Varric in your party, does he comment on Hawke staying or does Hawke say something to him? (My mistake, misunderstod you) No – I found this: Well, that's disappointing. It seems like a missed opportunity for some emotional exchange or remark. And story wise it doesn't make sense for Varric to react that way if he was in the Fade too.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 6, 2016 20:45:26 GMT
(My mistake, misunderstod you) No – I found this:
Well, that's disappointing. It seems like a missed opportunity for some emotional exchange or remark. And story wise it doesn't make sense for Varric to react that way if he was in the Fade too. Quite lame solution... "Say goodbye to varric for me!"...
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Post by dragontartare on Dec 7, 2016 0:46:14 GMT
(My mistake, misunderstod you) No – I found this: Well, that's disappointing. It seems like a missed opportunity for some emotional exchange or remark. And story wise it doesn't make sense for Varric to react that way if he was in the Fade too. I think it's because the companions all go through the rift ahead of time, don't they? So Varric wasn't there to hear Hawke volunteer to stay behind, regardless of whether he went on the mission or not. Correct me if I'm wrong, though.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 7, 2016 0:49:28 GMT
Well, that's disappointing. It seems like a missed opportunity for some emotional exchange or remark. And story wise it doesn't make sense for Varric to react that way if he was in the Fade too. I think it's because the companions all go through the rift ahead of time, don't they? So Varric wasn't there to hear Hawke volunteer to stay behind, regardless of whether he went on the mission or not. Correct me if I'm wrong, though. Good point.
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Post by fylimar on Dec 19, 2016 19:40:39 GMT
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Post by Catilina on Jan 14, 2017 15:40:20 GMT
Fenris: I notice you hardly ever comment on mages and templars and such. Varric: It's a lot of humans in skirts. I get them mixed up. Fenris: I highly doubt that. The subject comes up all the time. Varric: Tell me about it. Fenris: And no opinion? One way or the other? Varric: Opinions are like testicles. You kick them hard enough, doesn't matter how many you got.
I always had the feeling that he prefers the Templar side, but I this was only a feeling, that he prefer the peace and order in his homeland, but this is a bit more. He always helped Hawke to save the mages without question, despite he fear from the mages. This only revealed at the end of the game, at the gallows, before the battle (In my many playthrough before I not really paying attention to a little part of the last dialogue). On mage side he says: "I'm not sure I agree with letting dangerous people run amok." (Even Fenris more enthusiastic before the fight... at least in this final scene he don't shows uncertainty, than Varric). I only once finished game at templar side, and this was not today... so, I forget Varric's dialogue, and I supposed, he is uncertain on the Templar side too, because the annulment, but no. On Templar side Varric is certain, that this is the good side: "But this: defending innocent people preserving our way of life? This is worth doing." So: he's not neutral.
In addition, I always thought about, that Varric represents the writer's opinion (if I remember correctly, the writers were surprised, how many people choosed the mage side and spared Anders' life), so: Varric's position in Inquisition didn't changed compared with DA2. I experienced, that many people don't know about it, or was confused, this was my reason to share it. Just for sake of truth. My opinion not really changed about Varric: everyone is entitled to their testicles opinions...
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