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Post by elegantpony on Aug 7, 2021 11:41:15 GMT
I desperately want my protag to be an Asari or a Female Turian, or a Female Quarian. I went through the trilogy as Shepard (and I love Femshep don't get me wrong), I went (slogged really, I hate the open world aspect) through Andromeda as Ryder.
I feel have earned the right to finally play as an alien protagonist. I don't care if most people would end up choosing to play as a human character, most people played as MaleShep but FemShep is and will always be the most iconic and enjoyable experience for me, and also just because most play as male doesn't mean female option shouldn't be allowed.
I've had my fill of the Mass Effect universe from a purely human perspective, most of the appeal of Mass Effect are the aliens anyway particularly the "main" aliens Asari, Turian, Quarian, Salarian, and Krogans. I think its about time that we should be able to play as at least one of them and let THEM be the hero of our personal stories in the rich setting of Mass Effect.
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Post by mtheillusive on Aug 7, 2021 13:19:36 GMT
I desperately want my protag to be an Asari or a Female Turian, or a Female Quarian. I went through the trilogy as Shepard (and I love Femshep don't get me wrong), I went (slogged really, I hate the open world aspect) through Andromeda as Ryder.
I feel have earned the right to finally play as an alien protagonist. I don't care if most people would end up choosing to play as a human character, most people played as MaleShep but FemShep is and will always be the most iconic and enjoyable experience for me, and also just because most play as male doesn't mean female option shouldn't be allowed.
I've had my fill of the Mass Effect universe from a purely human perspective, most of the appeal of Mass Effect are the aliens anyway particularly the "main" aliens Asari, Turian, Quarian, Salarian, and Krogans. I think its about time that we should be able to play as at least one of them and let THEM be the hero of our personal stories in the rich setting of Mass Effect.
In theory....as the Andromeda Initiative's Apex Force is a cross species militia, and in the Milky Way, with all the species having come together (well...depending on choices ), and that regardless of ending there's a very strong chance of a galactic cross species military (especially with the destroy and control options).... This could very well be easily possible...
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Aug 7, 2021 13:26:40 GMT
You can play the "aliens" in MEAMP for example. I would still say SP is Human only... of course I cannot be sure
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Post by elegantpony on Aug 7, 2021 14:14:12 GMT
I desperately want my protag to be an Asari or a Female Turian, or a Female Quarian. I went through the trilogy as Shepard (and I love Femshep don't get me wrong), I went (slogged really, I hate the open world aspect) through Andromeda as Ryder.
I feel have earned the right to finally play as an alien protagonist. I don't care if most people would end up choosing to play as a human character, most people played as MaleShep but FemShep is and will always be the most iconic and enjoyable experience for me, and also just because most play as male doesn't mean female option shouldn't be allowed.
I've had my fill of the Mass Effect universe from a purely human perspective, most of the appeal of Mass Effect are the aliens anyway particularly the "main" aliens Asari, Turian, Quarian, Salarian, and Krogans. I think its about time that we should be able to play as at least one of them and let THEM be the hero of our personal stories in the rich setting of Mass Effect.
In theory....as the Andromeda Initiative's Apex Force is a cross species militia, and in the Milky Way, with all the species having come together (well...depending on choices ), and that regardless of ending there's a very strong chance of a galactic cross species military (especially with the destroy and control options).... This could very well be easily possible... A Galactic cross species military (excluding certain species like Batarians) would actually be so incredibly awesome! What would it even be called? "The Alliance" was already taken.
Aug 7, 2021 9:26:40 GMT -4 Unicephalon 40-D said: You can play the "aliens" in MEAMP for example. I would still say SP is Human only... of course I cannot be sure I know you can, I'm talking about single player where there's actual story, choices, and roleplaying potential. ME3 multiplayer was good but its not the same thing as a fleshed out campaign where you play an alien.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 7, 2021 14:55:25 GMT
I don't see it. In MEA, I suppose. The AI itself is multi-species so it can work. In the MW, the races all have their own governments. It's not like in DA where you're essentially the same character with different backgrounds. I mean, your miniscule elf could be with a huge qunari and to me that just doesn't make sense. DAI just brushes it aside.
The styles of humanity, asari, krogan, turian, quarian, geth (because why not, right?), volus, hanar, drell... anyway, they're so dramatically different that you couldn't even tell the same story. I doubt BW intends to write multiple stories. To me, ME (in the MW) is the story of humanity and how they fit into galactic society. Stray too far and it's not really ME anymore. Just see the reception of MEA when they did stray from that narrative.
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Post by elegantpony on Aug 7, 2021 15:30:43 GMT
I mean, your miniscule elf could be with a huge qunari and to me that just doesn't make sense. DAI just brushes it aside. Why would it not make sense? And of course DAI would brush it aside, because what does it matter if an elf is in a relationship with a qunari or whatever.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 7, 2021 15:36:27 GMT
The question is are you willing to sacrifice other things for it. Yes it might be nice to play something besides a human, but would that mean that BioWare would have to make all the things that contain the other races to be more like Dragon Age: Inquisition? The majority of sequences in Dragon Age: Inquisition felt like they were social distancing to prevent any irregularities due to the different rigs for the different races. How about romances people count the romances and will complain if they don't feel they have their personal tastes satisfied. Would the Asari romance be limited to Asari so nobody else can romance them so there was a romance for them or would they just cut all romances out because they would spend that time animating in other areas of the game to make sure that there aren't strange issues with the models, animations, hit boxes, etc. Then how about class restrictions for even with the MP aspect I don't think every race could be able to use every ability. It was all custom work so that would require that much more testing for you would need to go through everything for each ability and weapon to make sure those animations worked in every aspect of single player. There is probably even more work attached to make it work.
If it was just combat then it probably would be much easier for that is what they need for multiple races to function, but there is only so much time and so much people in each department to work on the game so it might cause other things to be removed from the game to make it work. Then it would also be put through the lens of "how many people will really use this" compared to "how many people would use this we would cut" and a decision would have to be made.
Don't get me wrong, I would probably use it for at least one playthrough, but I just don't think its as easy of a task as it might seem to be.
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One issue playing another species is lack of customization.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 7, 2021 17:14:58 GMT
I mean, your miniscule elf could be with a huge qunari and to me that just doesn't make sense. DAI just brushes it aside. Why would it not make sense? And of course DAI would brush it aside, because what does it matter if an elf is in a relationship with a qunari or whatever. Because I don't believe in sexless relationships.
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Aug 7, 2021 18:18:43 GMT
Tall people can be with short people intimately though lol
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 7, 2021 18:25:38 GMT
Why would it not make sense? And of course DAI would brush it aside, because what does it matter if an elf is in a relationship with a qunari or whatever. Because I don't believe in sexless relationships. First, that’s disgusting on your part. Guess you hate Ace people then. Second, the only relationship with a qunari so far is very explicitly sexual so that doesn’t even make sense.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 7, 2021 18:42:01 GMT
The question is are you willing to sacrifice other things for it. Yes it might be nice to play something besides a human, but would that mean that BioWare would have to make all the things that contain the other races to be more like Dragon Age: Inquisition? The majority of sequences in Dragon Age: Inquisition felt like they were social distancing to prevent any irregularities due to the different rigs for the different races. How about romances people count the romances and will complain if they don't feel they have their personal tastes satisfied. Would the Asari romance be limited to Asari so nobody else can romance them so there was a romance for them or would they just cut all romances out because they would spend that time animating in other areas of the game to make sure that there aren't strange issues with the models, animations, hit boxes, etc. Then how about class restrictions for even with the MP aspect I don't think every race could be able to use every ability. It was all custom work so that would require that much more testing for you would need to go through everything for each ability and weapon to make sure those animations worked in every aspect of single player. There is probably even more work attached to make it work. If it was just combat then it probably would be much easier for that is what they need for multiple races to function, but there is only so much time and so much people in each department to work on the game so it might cause other things to be removed from the game to make it work. Then it would also be put through the lens of "how many people will really use this" compared to "how many people would use this we would cut" and a decision would have to be made. Don't get me wrong, I would probably use it for at least one playthrough, but I just don't think its as easy of a task as it might seem to be. DAI was their best game, so I see no problem with that. But to address your points: For romances, why would it have to be different. The LIs are still attracted to who they're attracted to. Most of DAI's romances weren't race locked, the only two that were being the ones they added during their year extension. Have some unique dialogue perhaps, but it wouldn't be too radical for the setting. For sex scenes sure they may have to go to fade to black, but then most of Bioware's romances have done that so again no issue. Why would there be class restrictions? Dragon Age never had class restrictions, other than dwarves can't be mages, but in ME all races have had examples of biotic users. And they never had ability restrictions in DA.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 7, 2021 19:18:11 GMT
The question is are you willing to sacrifice other things for it. Yes it might be nice to play something besides a human, but would that mean that BioWare would have to make all the things that contain the other races to be more like Dragon Age: Inquisition? The majority of sequences in Dragon Age: Inquisition felt like they were social distancing to prevent any irregularities due to the different rigs for the different races. How about romances people count the romances and will complain if they don't feel they have their personal tastes satisfied. Would the Asari romance be limited to Asari so nobody else can romance them so there was a romance for them or would they just cut all romances out because they would spend that time animating in other areas of the game to make sure that there aren't strange issues with the models, animations, hit boxes, etc. Then how about class restrictions for even with the MP aspect I don't think every race could be able to use every ability. It was all custom work so that would require that much more testing for you would need to go through everything for each ability and weapon to make sure those animations worked in every aspect of single player. There is probably even more work attached to make it work. If it was just combat then it probably would be much easier for that is what they need for multiple races to function, but there is only so much time and so much people in each department to work on the game so it might cause other things to be removed from the game to make it work. Then it would also be put through the lens of "how many people will really use this" compared to "how many people would use this we would cut" and a decision would have to be made. Don't get me wrong, I would probably use it for at least one playthrough, but I just don't think its as easy of a task as it might seem to be. DAI was their best game, so I see no problem with that. But to address your points: For romances, why would it have to be different. The LIs are still attracted to who they're attracted to. Most of DAI's romances weren't race locked, the only two that were being the ones they added during their year extension. Have some unique dialogue perhaps, but it wouldn't be too radical for the setting. For sex scenes sure they may have to go to fade to black, but then most of Bioware's romances have done that so again no issue. Why would there be class restrictions? Dragon Age never had class restrictions, other than dwarves can't be mages, but in ME all races have had examples of biotic users. And they never had ability restrictions in DA. It might be how I wrote it, but I was trying to say that race restrictions might be a consequence for having multiple playable races, just like with Inquisition feeling like it was social distancing since they were so far apart to accommodate sequences where all the different genders and races were part of. So the minimum distance would be the reach of a male Qunari. Along with multiple romances that had minimal direct interaction with each other or the environment they were in. Its not about attraction, but what consideration must be taken to make the romances work. I remember the outcry with Andromeda because the m/m romances were only 2 when the rest were three. So the potential consequence is that there is one or maybe two romances and race could be a limiting factor just because they only have so much time. With the class restrictions I was talking about how the skills were limited in the prior games so there could be more work testing and verifying they look and faction according to the animations for each class. It was trying to cut off the comparison that it worked in MP by saying MP was a more limited animation pool then the protagonist.
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Post by skekSil on Aug 7, 2021 19:34:32 GMT
I feel have earned the right to finally play as an alien protagonist. The best game to play as alien is Alien vs. Predator.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 7, 2021 19:46:07 GMT
Because I don't believe in sexless relationships. First, that’s disgusting on your part. Guess you hate Ace people then. Second, the only relationship with a qunari so far is very explicitly sexual so that doesn’t even make sense. Yawn on your sexual politics. I don't know why the obviousness of anatomy is eluding you here.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 7, 2021 19:51:59 GMT
First, that’s disgusting on your part. Guess you hate Ace people then. Second, the only relationship with a qunari so far is very explicitly sexual so that doesn’t even make sense. Yawn on your sexual politics. I don't know why the obviousness of anatomy is eluding you here. Funny, there are people who say the exact same thing about same sex relationships you just did.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 7, 2021 19:52:41 GMT
Yawn on your sexual politics. I don't know why the obviousness of anatomy is eluding you here. Funny, there are people who say the exact same thing you did about same sex relationships. Don't care what they think, either. But, please, continue to be outraged. It's your thing.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 7, 2021 19:54:39 GMT
Funny, there are people who say the exact same thing you did about same sex relationships. Don't care what they think, either. But, please, continue to be outraged. It's your thing. Don’t flatter yourself. You are nowhere near outraging me. I’m more amused than anything. Someone who complains about bigotry is just as big a bigot as those they whine about.
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Post by Gileadan on Aug 7, 2021 19:55:40 GMT
Playing an alien would mostly be a cosmetic option anyway. Just because of resource cost alone the character would probably say 98% of the same things as a human protagonist would, which means that his or her perspective on things would be 98% human too.
But as I've said elsewhere, I'd totally buy an episodic game about a badass alien bounty hunter who never removes his helmet, possibly titled "The Turian".
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 7, 2021 19:57:26 GMT
Don't care what they think, either. But, please, continue to be outraged. It's your thing. Don’t flatter yourself. You are nowhere near outraging me. I’m more amused than anything. Someone who complains about bigotry is just as big a bigot as those they whine about. For someone who is amused you sure make a big deal about it. Who's complaining about bigotry? That was you with your ACE comment. Edit: The thing here is that you can't just seem to have fun here. You have to make it personal as though you're being attacked. It's not about you.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 7, 2021 20:00:10 GMT
Don’t flatter yourself. You are nowhere near outraging me. I’m more amused than anything. Someone who complains about bigotry is just as big a bigot as those they whine about. For someone who is amused you sure make a big deal about it. Who's complaining about bigotry? That was you with your ACE comment. Edit: The thing here is that you can't just seem to have fun here. You have to make it personal as though you're being attacked. It's not about you. You have. Many times.
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Post by wright1978 on Aug 7, 2021 20:03:53 GMT
I very hope they don’t shift away from human only.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 7, 2021 20:06:28 GMT
DAI was their best game, so I see no problem with that. But to address your points: For romances, why would it have to be different. The LIs are still attracted to who they're attracted to. Most of DAI's romances weren't race locked, the only two that were being the ones they added during their year extension. Have some unique dialogue perhaps, but it wouldn't be too radical for the setting. For sex scenes sure they may have to go to fade to black, but then most of Bioware's romances have done that so again no issue. Why would there be class restrictions? Dragon Age never had class restrictions, other than dwarves can't be mages, but in ME all races have had examples of biotic users. And they never had ability restrictions in DA. It might be how I wrote it, but I was trying to say that race restrictions might be a consequence for having multiple playable races, just like with Inquisition feeling like it was social distancing since they were so far apart to accommodate sequences where all the different genders and races were part of. So the minimum distance would be the reach of a male Qunari. Along with multiple romances that had minimal direct interaction with each other or the environment they were in. Its not about attraction, but what consideration must be taken to make the romances work. I remember the outcry with Andromeda because the m/m romances were only 2 when the rest were three. So the potential consequence is that there is one or maybe two romances and race could be a limiting factor just because they only have so much time. With the class restrictions I was talking about how the skills were limited in the prior games so there could be more work testing and verifying they look and faction according to the animations for each class. It was trying to cut off the comparison that it worked in MP by saying MP was a more limited animation pool then the protagonist. Eh, even in games with only human as protagonist they had characters standing that far apart. Same with the other examples you just gave. Like I said, if it’s such an issue for resources just have the romance scenes be fade to black. I doubt they’re as big a problem as you’re painting it as though, considering DAI has many examples that go against that argument. In many ways the main ME races would be easier to handle than DA.
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Post by trinity0 on Aug 7, 2021 21:02:29 GMT
Back to the Topic.
I would like to play as an Asari
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 7, 2021 21:20:00 GMT
It might be how I wrote it, but I was trying to say that race restrictions might be a consequence for having multiple playable races, just like with Inquisition feeling like it was social distancing since they were so far apart to accommodate sequences where all the different genders and races were part of. So the minimum distance would be the reach of a male Qunari. Along with multiple romances that had minimal direct interaction with each other or the environment they were in. Its not about attraction, but what consideration must be taken to make the romances work. I remember the outcry with Andromeda because the m/m romances were only 2 when the rest were three. So the potential consequence is that there is one or maybe two romances and race could be a limiting factor just because they only have so much time. With the class restrictions I was talking about how the skills were limited in the prior games so there could be more work testing and verifying they look and faction according to the animations for each class. It was trying to cut off the comparison that it worked in MP by saying MP was a more limited animation pool then the protagonist. Eh, even in games with only human as protagonist they had characters standing that far apart. Same with the other examples you just gave. Like I said, if it’s such an issue for resources just have the romance scenes be fade to black. I doubt they’re as big a problem as you’re painting it as though, considering DAI has many examples that go against that argument. In many ways the main ME races would be easier to handle than DA. I am not speaking for everyone and claiming that everyone is going to hate any potential changes to the game to get multiple races to work. It sounds like you will be fine with any I might think of and that is great, but all I am doing is trying to point out any potential changes might happen to get multiple races to work for not everyone might like the sacrifices you do.
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