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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 23, 2021 14:50:52 GMT
That’s because it would have been even more satisfying to play one in the SP campaign where we have little things like, you know, story, choices, etc. The only thing MP has is gameplay, something SP already has much better, It wasn't very satisfying to play any of the other races in the single player for Dragon Age: Inquisition or even Dragon Age: Origins. It was for me and tons of other people.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 23, 2021 16:20:35 GMT
It wasn't very satisfying to play any of the other races in the single player for Dragon Age: Inquisition or even Dragon Age: Origins. It was for me and tons of other people. It was okay. As much as one could reasonably expect. But really, all protagonists were basically humans, even is some were "lithe, pointy-eared people who excel at poverty" or such.
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Post by q5tyhj on Sept 2, 2021 23:59:22 GMT
Lol, hardly a "cop-out response", its the truth (its also telling that you cut out my substantive answer and replied to my half-joking comment at the end of the post). But one main (if not THE main) draw for the MP component was the ability to play as non-humans, and one major reason that was so satisfying was because you couldn't play as them any other way. It wouldn't have been anywhere near as satisfying unlocking that first Krogan or Geth character if you had already played one in the SP campaign. And it was a successful dynamic, the OT was fantastic and ME3mp has outlasted MEAmp for good reason- it was a good formula. That’s because it would have been even more satisfying to play one in the SP campaign where we have little things like, you know, story, choices, etc. The only thing MP has is gameplay, something SP already has much better, hard disagree on both points, plenty of things unique to MP (Collectors, unique powers like Dark Sphere, Phase Disruptor, Biotic/Electric Hammer, mixed-factions on Platinum, etc) to make it at least as good gameplay-wise, and making non-humans playable PCs in the SP would ruin this awesome complementarity and completely screw the entire narrative premise of Sheppard as the avatar of humanity being low on the galactic totem-poll as one of THE overarching themes of the series. Like, maybe you could make an equally awesome game that featured playable non-human PCs, but it would have been a completely and fundamentally different game.
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Post by Phantom on Sept 3, 2021 0:09:18 GMT
That’s because it would have been even more satisfying to play one in the SP campaign where we have little things like, you know, story, choices, etc. The only thing MP has is gameplay, something SP already has much better, hard disagree on both points, plenty of things unique to MP (Collectors, unique powers like Dark Sphere, Phase Disruptor, Biotic/Electric Hammer, mixed-factions on Platinum, etc) to make it at least as good gameplay-wise, and making non-humans playable PCs in the SP would ruin this awesome complementarity and completely screw the entire narrative premise of Sheppard as the avatar of humanity being low on the galactic totem-poll as one of THE overarching themes of the series. Like, maybe you could make an equally awesome game that featured playable non-human PCs, but it would have been a completely and fundamentally different game. Well it is more how you write it. You can have a New Player Character that is of any alien species with a good story without bring Shepard down. *puts his shields up* Even a good writer can make Ryder twin work well within any story. I have a working idea that needs Refinement that reintroduces the Ryder Twins and their father and their adventures before their time within the Andromeda. In short that my idea that you take control of Scott, Sara and Alec at various points to save the Initiative from a New Bad Faction within the Milk way.
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Post by q5tyhj on Sept 3, 2021 0:14:16 GMT
hard disagree on both points, plenty of things unique to MP (Collectors, unique powers like Dark Sphere, Phase Disruptor, Biotic/Electric Hammer, mixed-factions on Platinum, etc) to make it at least as good gameplay-wise, and making non-humans playable PCs in the SP would ruin this awesome complementarity and completely screw the entire narrative premise of Sheppard as the avatar of humanity being low on the galactic totem-poll as one of THE overarching themes of the series. Like, maybe you could make an equally awesome game that featured playable non-human PCs, but it would have been a completely and fundamentally different game. Well it is more how you write it. You can have a New Player Character that is of any alien species with a good story without bring Shepard down. *puts his shields up* Even a good writer can make Ryder twin work well within any story. I have a working idea that needs Refinement that reintroduces the Ryder Twins and their father and their adventures before their time within the Andromeda. In short that my idea that you take control of Scott, Sara and Alec at various points to save the Initiative from a New Bad Faction within the Milk way. its not so much bringing Sheppard down as erasing what the writers were trying to do with Sheppard thematically; unlike basically every other sci-fi universe where humans are equal members if not leaders of a interplanetary/intergalactic/etc community, one of the overarching themes of the ME series was what it would be like if humans were at the bottom of the pecking order. And so Sheppard is the avatar of humanity, as you earn respect and help humanity move up the pecking order. That entire theme doesn't work if you have a non-human PC. Like I said, maybe you can come up with a game that is equally good... but it would be a fundamentally different game than the one the ME writers made
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Post by Phantom on Sept 3, 2021 0:42:14 GMT
Well it is more how you write it. You can have a New Player Character that is of any alien species with a good story without bring Shepard down. *puts his shields up* Even a good writer can make Ryder twin work well within any story. I have a working idea that needs Refinement that reintroduces the Ryder Twins and their father and their adventures before their time within the Andromeda. In short that my idea that you take control of Scott, Sara and Alec at various points to save the Initiative from a New Bad Faction within the Milk way. its not so much bringing Sheppard down as erasing what the writers were trying to do with Sheppard thematically; unlike basically every other sci-fi universe where humans are equal members if not leaders of a interplanetary/intergalactic/etc community, one of the overarching themes of the ME series was what it would be like if humans were at the bottom of the pecking order. And so Sheppard is the avatar of humanity, as you earn respect and help humanity move up the pecking order. That entire theme doesn't work if you have a non-human PC. Like I said, maybe you can come up with a game that is equally good... but it would be a fundamentally different game than the one the ME writers made i can understand where you are coming from about Humans as underdogs trope.
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Post by duskwanderer on Sept 4, 2021 4:34:40 GMT
I personally don't mind the choice of being an alien, but I'm more concerned with the character creator: Andromeda's was horrible. I'd prefer them to make a good character creator for humans only over a terrible one for lots of aliens.
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Post by AnDromedary on Sept 6, 2021 19:48:16 GMT
its not so much bringing Sheppard down as erasing what the writers were trying to do with Sheppard thematically; unlike basically every other sci-fi universe where humans are equal members if not leaders of a interplanetary/intergalactic/etc community, one of the overarching themes of the ME series was what it would be like if humans were at the bottom of the pecking order. And so Sheppard is the avatar of humanity, as you earn respect and help humanity move up the pecking order. That entire theme doesn't work if you have a non-human PC. Like I said, maybe you can come up with a game that is equally good... but it would be a fundamentally different game than the one the ME writers made i can understand where you are coming from about Humans as underdogs trope. I don't know. That may have been the case in ME1 (to some extent) but going from ME2 forward, I felt they pretty much abandoned that angle (unfortunately). I mean, Even in ME1, they already leaned pretty heavily into the "humanity is special" thing. By the time ME2 rolls around, we are already among the 4 main super powers in the galaxy (and the way the game portrais it, humans are abundant everywhere, even in the Terminus). So the "underdog" thing vanished very quickly in the franchise IMO.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Sept 15, 2021 11:11:38 GMT
^^ I agree with the above. They made humans out to be special and not these “under dogs” to me, in ME3 humanity was a power house and the other races would be calling for help. You’re not having others come to you if you’re an under dog🤷♀️
As for the op: I’d love aliens👍 I’ve been wanting it ever since ME2 and I’d love to play an Asari or something with the game acknowledging it.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Sept 15, 2021 16:15:09 GMT
I personally don't mind the choice of being an alien, but I'm more concerned with the character creator: Andromeda's was horrible. I'd prefer them to make a good character creator for humans only over a terrible one for lots of aliens.
Out of all of ME and DA character creator MEA was the best. It didn't have any annoying scanning lines, flying debris, and shitty lighting. I had more fun with the CC MEA than any other BioWare and other CC for that matter. I can made many female Ryder that were IMHO beautiful.
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Post by DragonEffect on Sept 17, 2021 2:41:12 GMT
Honestly, I would prefer if we could play as different alien races in DLCs. Imagine our protagonist hearing a companion sitting with us at the bar and retelling us and the rest of the crew about a mission they were assigned to. You then control your companion as you play through their memories. Another way to do this if by having our protagonist - or any other character, for that matter - retell a famous space legend they know about and you get to customize them and play their story as it gets told.
There are many ways to go about it. These are just a couple of options. Either way, judging by the original trilogy, ME tends to stick with one character throughout many titles, since each one is a chapter in the character's life. So having an alien protagonist would imply we get stuck being that alien for a number of games, which could compromise the narrative, unless each ME title tells a unique story from now on.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 17, 2021 20:56:09 GMT
Honestly, I would prefer if we could play as different alien races in DLCs. Though my interest in this is minimal, I could see how it might work. I'd imagine it more along the lines of Geralt and Ciri in TW3. It could be sort of like "this is what's also going on in the galaxy". Not your main PC but still someone you could play for a portion of the game.
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Post by midnightwolf on Sept 18, 2021 20:51:13 GMT
I'm against this. ME has never been about the Aliens, it's about humanity trying to find a place in space.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 20, 2021 10:52:17 GMT
I'm against this. ME has never been about the Aliens, it's about humanity trying to find a place in space. Now, now. It's been 4 games that you've been playing as human. Let the aliens have their turn, as well. Don't be space racist. #ItsTheirTurn.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Sept 20, 2021 18:30:58 GMT
If it happens I think it would be ones that look like humans just with different skins on them. So basically asari and drell since it wouldn't require that much extra work. I could obviously be wrong but I think that would be the best way to do it.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 20, 2021 18:39:26 GMT
If it happens I think it would be ones that look like humans just with different skins on them. So basically asari and drell since it wouldn't require that much extra work. I could obviously be wrong but I think that would be the best way to do it. Man, it's just about horny people trying to make their OC to jerk off to, anyway. Like, expect a significant amount of female turians and female quarians being thirsty for dick. That's basically what people are asking for, to roleplay as. Not everyone, of course, but there is a significant portion of people that want it, just for that. Not a fan. Should they get it, if they want it? Sure, but their desires would be far better served, if they made an adult VN about it.
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Post by Vortex13 on Sept 20, 2021 18:53:19 GMT
If it happens I think it would be ones that look like humans just with different skins on them. So basically asari and drell since it wouldn't require that much extra work. I could obviously be wrong but I think that would be the best way to do it. Man, it's just about horny people trying to make their OC to jerk off to, anyway. Like, expect a significant amount of female turians and female quarians being thirsty for dick. That's basically what people are asking for, to roleplay as. Not everyone, of course, but there is a significant portion of people that want it, just for that. Not a fan. Should they get it, if they want it? Sure, but their desires would be far better served, if they made an adult VN about it.
Yeah I would much rather have the possibility of playing as an alien being focused on how they are, well 'alien', rather than having a stand-in for a virtual fu** buddy. Honestly, if you really want that then the Internet will serve that purpose easily for free. I would much rather have the nature of the alien be explored. To see the intellectual side of how such a being would perceive the universe around them and at how different, or similar, to our own human biases they are. More of something like Scramblers from Blindsight and less space waifus please.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 20, 2021 19:03:00 GMT
Man, it's just about horny people trying to make their OC to jerk off to, anyway. Like, expect a significant amount of female turians and female quarians being thirsty for dick. That's basically what people are asking for, to roleplay as. Not everyone, of course, but there is a significant portion of people that want it, just for that. Not a fan. Should they get it, if they want it? Sure, but their desires would be far better served, if they made an adult VN about it.
Yeah I would much rather have the possibility of playing as an alien being focused on how they are, well 'alien', rather than having a stand-in for a virtual fu** buddy. Honestly, if you really want that then the Internet will serve that purpose easily for free. I would much rather have the nature of the alien be explored. To see the intellectual side of how such a being would perceive the universe around them and at how different, or similar, to our own human biases they are. More of something like Scramblers from Blindsight and less space waifus please. Good luck expecting Bioware, or any developer, honestly, delivering on that. And even then, normies will find the experience extremely intimidating. I'd trust Mitsoda and Avellone to deliver on it, 15 years ago. I don't think I'd trust anyone to do it, today. I mean, imagine an alien culture that promotes values that are contrary to "approved narrative" today. Because, as we all know, if you write someone as something, that means you are also promoting that standpoint. At least twitter think so and twitter's influence has far outgrown its welcome. I'd be really happy if we could nuke its service entirely.
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Post by Vortex13 on Sept 20, 2021 19:42:10 GMT
Yeah I would much rather have the possibility of playing as an alien being focused on how they are, well 'alien', rather than having a stand-in for a virtual fu** buddy. Honestly, if you really want that then the Internet will serve that purpose easily for free. I would much rather have the nature of the alien be explored. To see the intellectual side of how such a being would perceive the universe around them and at how different, or similar, to our own human biases they are. More of something like Scramblers from Blindsight and less space waifus please. Good luck expecting Bioware, or any developer, honestly, delivering on that. And even then, normies will find the experience extremely intimidating. I'd trust Mitsoda and Avellone to deliver on it, 15 years ago. I don't think I'd trust anyone to do it, today. I mean, imagine an alien culture that promotes values that are contrary to "approved narrative" today. Because, as we all know, if you write someone as something, that means you are also promoting that standpoint. At least twitter think so and twitter's influence has far outgrown its welcome. I'd be really happy if we could nuke its service entirely.
Yeah unfortunately I think you are correct. Modern, "politically correct" society doesn't value creativity or ingenuity these days if it doesn't conform to the established narrative. It's sad but I honestly feel that if something like the Liir, from Sword of the Stars, were introduced today you have the Twitter mob out for blood because of transphobia. Because God-forbid you have a science fiction setting with hermaphroditic, psychically potent space whales out there 'mis-representing' a protected social-political class.
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Post by AnDromedary on Sept 20, 2021 21:13:35 GMT
Good luck expecting Bioware, or any developer, honestly, delivering on that. And even then, normies will find the experience extremely intimidating. I'd trust Mitsoda and Avellone to deliver on it, 15 years ago. I don't think I'd trust anyone to do it, today. I mean, imagine an alien culture that promotes values that are contrary to "approved narrative" today. Because, as we all know, if you write someone as something, that means you are also promoting that standpoint. At least twitter think so and twitter's influence has far outgrown its welcome. I'd be really happy if we could nuke its service entirely.
Yeah unfortunately I think you are correct. Modern, "politically correct" society doesn't value creativity or ingenuity these days if it doesn't conform to the established narrative. It's sad but I honestly feel that if something like the Liir, from Sword of the Stars, were introduced today you have the Twitter mob out for blood because of transphobia. Because God-forbid you have a science fiction setting with hermaphroditic, psychically potent space whales out there 'mis-representing' a protected social-political class. I don't know, I just read Andy Weir's new book. The alien race is a bunch of hermaphrodite pentagonal spider aliens who can form a kind of interconnected nervous system between individuals. Also, the humans in the book throw any kind of politically correct morality over board as they are facing an extinction level event (aka, the hardass boss lady has a very sexist attitutde towards woman on the space mission, man made climate change turns out to actually be a good thing and is being purposely aggravated, hell the protagonist basically gets murdered for the cause and you'd have a hard time disagreeing with that decision. There are plenty of challenging ideas in this very mainstream book. I just think really well thought out and well executed ideas which are also challenging and against the grain just don't come along every day. That's been the case in the past, just as it is today. 99% of fiction will always adhere to the norms of the time (mainly because it's economically safer that way, I guess). You just have to wait for the exceptions and find them when they come along.
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Post by midnightwolf on Sept 24, 2021 22:07:07 GMT
I'm against this. ME has never been about the Aliens, it's about humanity trying to find a place in space. Now, now. It's been 4 games that you've been playing as human. Let the aliens have their turn, as well. Don't be space racist. #ItsTheirTurn. Making playable Aliens could limit the player and story and go wrong for ME in many ways. First we have to think of the races and their abilities. 1)Asari could only ever be Biotic. Turian can only be Soldier or tech (they seem to look down on biotics, and we only encounter one in ME3 Omega). Quarian would be forced to be Solider or Tech, since Biotics is impossible. Krogan is a Solider or Biotic. (We never see a tech savy Krogan) 2) Quarian are considered outcasts and wouldn't be welcome in most places. We see an example of this in ME2 on the Citadel, between the Volus and the Quarian he accused of theft. That would limit the player. Conversely, Krogan appear to be welcome everywhere because they make good meat shields. 3) Then there are cultural, environmental and biological aspects. I don't even know where to start with this one. 4) The resources. Imagine how many resources making playable Aliens work, would take away from the story? I don't know about you, but I prefer a great story and continuity over being able to change my species.
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Post by ewigDunkelheit on Sept 25, 2021 1:29:44 GMT
4) The resources. Imagine how many resources making playable Aliens work, would take away from the story? I don't know about you, but I prefer a great story and continuity over being able to change my species.
That would be great! Make everyone play a Turian. I'm definitely on board with this.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Sept 25, 2021 19:50:53 GMT
I certainly aint against the idea. The question is what races could fit into what story they tell in a way that makes sense.
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Post by mattjamho on Sept 26, 2021 11:36:45 GMT
I’d love to play as an alien race! Even if it’s just restricted to the most humanoid races to lessen resources. Asari, Drell, and Quarians would all be cool to play. Although as a character, I guess having the set of council races would make a lot of sense too, they act the most similar of all the races.
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Oct 10, 2021 1:31:43 GMT
I would like to play a an alien character. However, I doubt that the experience will be much different. BW will most likely not change the dialog to make it an unique experience.
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