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Post by Vortex13 on Dec 8, 2021 15:10:11 GMT
And yet despite this humanity comes away with little more than a finger wag by the Council with "Hey! Stop, or I'll say hey again!" as the whole shtick. Anyone else found out working on AI in such a flagrant disregard of Citadel law brings the organizations of government, most of them military, converging on the perpetrator and put a stop to any and all such research. And Alec loses his N7 status sure, but it's not like he's particularly devastated by that fact and, most importantly, he still keeps working on his pet AI project. The Quarians had their embassy disbarred from the Citadel and massive sanctions placed on them for accidentally creating the Geth, meanwhile daddy Ryder is getting winks and nods from government officials who were all eager to kick the Quarians out of interstellar society. What's more, when the Initiative approaches Alec about developing SAM for them; which really shows how out in the open he was with his AI research if a civilian enterprise gets word of it; none of the aliens have any particular issue with plugging hereto untested AIs into their most capable personals' brains. The disconnect here, is very jarring.
Eh that was sort of retconned in, so it not fitting the trilogies story arcs is not surprising. Pre MEA there was no humanity researching AI, they had some VIs but stayed away from AI. They wanted to shoe horn in their philosophy hard so forced in SAM and some dumb I made AI in sort of secret story. Alec goes from N7 operative to one of the best scientists in the galaxy at the speed of plot.
Yeah MEA throws even more plot contrivance and "Humans are SPECIAL" at the setting that its practically a meme at this point.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Dec 8, 2021 20:03:20 GMT
Eh that was sort of retconned in, so it not fitting the trilogies story arcs is not surprising. Pre MEA there was no humanity researching AI, they had some VIs but stayed away from AI. They wanted to shoe horn in their philosophy hard so forced in SAM and some dumb I made AI in sort of secret story. Alec goes from N7 operative to one of the best scientists in the galaxy at the speed of plot.
Yeah MEA throws even more plot contrivance and "Humans are SPECIAL" at the setting that its practically a meme at this point.
So I guess Cerberus creating EDI and playing around with Project: Overlord doesn't count as humans messing around with AI.
Alec Ryder spent YEARS developing SAM basically to save his wife and then hired by Andromeda Initiative because of him being a former N7 and his AI research but he still had to some code from the Shadow Broker.
You might know this if you actually played the games and payed attention.
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Post by Vortex13 on Dec 8, 2021 21:18:48 GMT
Yeah MEA throws even more plot contrivance and "Humans are SPECIAL" at the setting that its practically a meme at this point.
So I guess Cerberus creating EDI and playing around with Project: Overlord doesn't count as humans messing around with AI.
Alec Ryder spent YEARS developing SAM basically to save his wife and then hired by Andromeda Initiative because of him being a former N7 and his AI research but he still had to some code from the Shadow Broker.
You might know this if you actually played the games and payed attention.
Yeah, he spent years working on a highly illegal AI-project practically in the open with little more than a finger wag by the rest of the galaxy. Even being stripped of N7 status did little to hamper him, nor did it stop everyone from still referring to him as an N7 operative and according to him the honor of such a role. This is the same galaxy that reduced an entire species to effectively second class citizens for accidentally creating swarm-AI and yet here is a person openly working to intentionally create an artificial intelligence and no one does anything to stop him; and all the while winking and nudging him to continue. This is seen as a boon by the Initiative and they welcome Ryder and his SAM project with open arms. Humans and various aliens; including the freaking Quarians in the tie-in novel; all are totally on board with not only plugging hereto untested AI's directly into their most skilled personnels' brains (allowing it to potentially meat-puppet their bodies) but also having these said AIs operate the Arks while everyone is in cryosleep. That is so completely at odds with how the setting has portrayed the galaxy's take on AI research as to be farcical. If there was going to be any sort of consistency with the established narrative then those anti-AI protest groups in MEA should have been the majority of the people in the Initiative rather than some fringe crazies that game tries to paint that point of view as. But of course everyone is totally on Ryder's side, and SAM doesn't immeditly blow up in everyone's faces like literally every other AI project has done; which would include the Luna VI as well as Project Overlord. SAM was light years ahead of those AI projects in terms of both scope and complexity and yet Alec is not only able to achieve the project goals flawlessly but also bridge the gap that no species in the entire history of the galaxy had been able to do since the Reapers started their harvests. Seriously, all Ryder would have to do is show up to the Catalyst with his pet AI and it would shut itself down now that the whole reason for it's creation; and the crux of the entire previous trilogy; was solved in the opening credits. And of course SAM is a success, it was the creation of Übermensch Humanity after all. Any other species who would have attempted such a feat would have been painted by the narrative as either incredibly foolish, fiendishly evil, or both. I mean look at Admiral Ran. She's relegated to cackling mad scientist for wanting to utilize and the control the geth as a war asset, with Shepard & Co condemning her actions, and yet here you have a human wanting to plug AI directly into people's brains and no one bats an eye. The disconnect between what has been established in the previous trilogy (as well as yet another excuse to drink from the "Humans are Special" water cooler) means that MEA, in a foundational sense, is already boarding on comical. The amount of mental hoops one has to jump through to arrive at any situation were Alec Ryder is not immediately arrested, his work destroyed, and with massive sanctions placed on the Alliance is immersion breaking. And that's even before you get to the whole Odyssey drive plot contrivance.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 9, 2021 4:27:50 GMT
Yeah MEA throws even more plot contrivance and "Humans are SPECIAL" at the setting that its practically a meme at this point.
So I guess Cerberus creating EDI and playing around with Project: Overlord doesn't count as humans messing around with AI.
Alec Ryder spent YEARS developing SAM basically to save his wife and then hired by Andromeda Initiative because of him being a former N7 and his AI research but he still had to some code from the Shadow Broker.
You might know this if you actually played the games and payed attention.
Cerberus a inexplicably giant criminal organization with legions of actual scientists, make Edi by basically stealing a accident on the moon. A accident where a VI somehow gained sentience and the response by humanity was kill it with fire, and keep it quiet. Overlord isn't a AI, its an attempt to control existing AI that are a known threat to all of humanity. Both of these things were again very secret and again by a criminal organization. Vortex13 covers the silliness of what Ryder does in context of the setting.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jan 21, 2022 3:53:45 GMT
In stats released in 2012, yes. In the Legendary stats, 32% played as FemShep. The long arc of history and all that... Looking back, it's a little f**ked up how FemShep was overshadowed in marketing. They didn't even have a proper face to represent her until ME3. In the end, "Bro" Shep is just your typical looking video game lead with a buzz cut from the early 2000's-2010's. I have never played favorites myself. I generally alternate between the two genders from one trilogy playthrough to the next. I just make sure whatever Shepard I make is different than my previous one. I might do a run with a male renegade soldier and then go with a female paragon adept the next time.
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