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Post by Black Magic Ritual on Aug 13, 2021 10:02:47 GMT
Going through Inquisition, I was a Male Mage Adaar who sided with the Mages and ended up romancing Cassandra. She would've been my first pick but I ended up getting Hardened Leliana as Divine instead. Still, I updated the keep to make my wife Divine. Addar doesn't even consider Vivienne for the job, as a Tal-Vashoth he sees too much of the Qunari in her line of thinking. Honestly, I think Inquisition could've benefited from a 4th candidate being an Isolationist. I remember reading somewhere that Grand Enchanter Fiona was on the shortlist of party members for DAI - I think that would've worked for her? It isn't anymore unbelievable then Vivienne being elected Divine.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 13, 2021 10:11:10 GMT
Lets face it Cassandra is the only legitimate choice. (tongue wedged firmly in cheek of course)
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 13, 2021 11:00:25 GMT
I mean...I generally have Leliana (softened) as my Divine, simply because I like that journey for her One time I accidentally got Vivienne as Divine, 'cause like op I was playing an Adaar who romanced Cassandra but didn't want to loose her...so Viv got the throne
I honestly think having Vivienne on the throne is as likely as having the player character on it, but eh *shrug* what can you do
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Post by Sonya on Aug 13, 2021 13:25:21 GMT
One time I accidentally got Vivienne as Divine, 'cause like op I was playing an Adaar who romanced Cassandra but didn't want to loose her...so Viv got the throne When I romanced Cassandra I on purpose did everything so she could not become Divine (know what to do and say to give points to each of them). As a player - it was selfish of me. Gave points to Viv all the time. Viv as Divine was better in any case in comparison with Leliana, soft or hard - does not matter. Otherwise, I always have Cassanrda as she is some middle ground.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 13, 2021 14:11:19 GMT
One time I accidentally got Vivienne as Divine, 'cause like op I was playing an Adaar who romanced Cassandra but didn't want to loose her...so Viv got the throne When I romanced Cassandra I on purpose did everything so she could not become Divine (know what to do and say to give points to each of them). As a player - it was selfish of me. Gave points to Viv all the time. Viv as Divine was better in any case in comparison with Leliana, soft or hard - does not matter. Otherwise, I always have Cassanrda as she is some middle ground. it was purely accidental because I was aiming for Leli as my Divine, then someone asked me 'did you side with the templars by any chance?' and I was like, yeah I did so he told me that picking the templars whether allied or conscripted gives automatic points toward Vivienne as Divine, which I suppose makes sense
Thing is, I ended up with Leliana first time around and I've actually no idea how to actually get Cassandra as my Divine My first time playing I allied with the mages, got the three way truce in Orlais and kept the Wardens for my Adaar I believe I had allied with the templars, then Celene+Briala and kept the Wardens...
if we go by the default keep (which has Cass as Divine) the 'default' choices are ally with mages, Celene alone and keep the Wardens funny thing is, Cass disapproves of keeping the Wardens, which I find somewhat odd (and according to the wiki gives -5 toward Cassandra's election)
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Post by Buckeldemon on Aug 13, 2021 16:04:41 GMT
if we go by the default keep (which has Cass as Divine) the 'default' choices are ally with mages, Celene alone and keep the Wardens funny thing is, Cass disapproves of keeping the Wardens, which I find somewhat odd (and according to the wiki gives -5 toward Cassandra's election) Since when does the Keep default... need to make sense?
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Anyway, the most 'legit' choice would be abolishing the position. Failing that, some version of the heretical redhead, though I cannot decide which one.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 13, 2021 16:57:01 GMT
Since when does the Keep default... need to make sense?
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Anyway, the most 'legit' choice would be abolishing the position. Failing that, some version of the heretical redhead, though I cannot decide which one.
Eh *shrug* fair point
Also there's the bug which gives Leliana +5 where it should be -5, ah well
-- And I quite agree, on both fronts...though given the fact most choices come Trespasser are null anyway...I doubt it matters which of the three is Divine anyway
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Aug 13, 2021 17:31:02 GMT
Softened Leliana - thats what I target usually, especially after the first playthrough I got Vivienne ... that wasnt a pleasant thing. Cassandra was better whom I got on second playthrough.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 13, 2021 17:38:08 GMT
Depemnds on my quizzy tbh as some have different opinions on the subject than others. But generally mos tI think end up picking Cassandra for the role as they feel tha tthe Chantry need a firm but fair guiding hand back on the pathand they feel that Cassandra is the best equipped to manage that of the 3 candidates.
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Post by q5tyhj on Aug 13, 2021 23:57:32 GMT
Cassandra, like 99% of the time
hardened Leliana is pretty satisfying too though, for completely different reasons
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Post by githcheater on Aug 14, 2021 0:02:12 GMT
Cassandra, like 99% of the time hardened Leliana is pretty satisfying too though, for completely different reasons So you have had at least 67 play throughs?
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Post by Catilina on Aug 15, 2021 2:19:50 GMT
Leliana. I prefer Inspired, she feels better, and asks before kills... But steeled leliana still Leliana...
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Post by xerrai on Aug 15, 2021 19:15:23 GMT
Leliana. Any Leliana. It isn't abut how she treated the mage-templar issues either. It's because she was the only option to address things like racial (in)equality, historic revisionism and how the Chantry as a whole was exceptionally humano-centric despite the Chant's alleged mission to bring itself to all of the Maker's children.
The other Divine choices don't even bother with addressing such issues. It's all about mages and templars...
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Post by Sonya on Aug 17, 2021 11:26:57 GMT
Anyway, the most 'legit' choice would be abolishing the position. What after? The whole DAU is brainwashed with the chantry bs and religion. It infiltrated Orzammar dwarves who usually stay true to their "stone-religion" (DAO quest). Abolish that powerful post (what is the Divine good for anyway, just a person in high hat with two hands and an army) and there will always be someone else to "guide" people using that power. Like one version of redhead said in DAI "people are sheep". Probably would not matter what Divine anyway as Solas is going to screw over again as he has always done.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 17, 2021 17:13:25 GMT
Leliana. I think her as hardened is the best way forward for thedas but I like making her a softened divine because she has just been through so much that I want her happy. Especially if she is with the hero of ferelden. I mean she did more for thedas in the past three games then anyone else when you figure she helped against the blight and so on.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 17, 2021 17:17:15 GMT
Leliana. Any Leliana. It isn't abut how she treated the mage-templar issues either. It's because she was the only option to address things like racial (in)equality, historic revisionism and how the Chantry as a whole was exceptionally humano-centric despite the Chant's alleged mission to bring itself to all of the Maker's children. The other Divine choices don't even bother with addressing such issues. It's all about mages and templars... Exactly. By involving other races she is strengthening the chantry and helping "not ending but helping" weaken some of the prejudice against the other races. And imagine if some of the tal vasoth joined in. The qunari would be much less of a threat since both sides would have blackpowder. And before you someone says it would provoke the qunari to war I would like to point out they already are trying to do that. I mean look at tresspasser. That wasn't like the arishok losing it in kirkwall that was the qunari leadership choosing to attack all of thedas.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 17, 2021 19:18:44 GMT
Leliana. Any Leliana. It isn't abut how she treated the mage-templar issues either. It's because she was the only option to address things like racial (in)equality, historic revisionism and how the Chantry as a whole was exceptionally humano-centric despite the Chant's alleged mission to bring itself to all of the Maker's children. The other Divine choices don't even bother with addressing such issues. It's all about mages and templars... Exactly. By involving other races she is strengthening the chantry and helping "not ending but helping" weaken some of the prejudice against the other races. And imagine if some of the tal vasoth joined in. The qunari would be much less of a threat since both sides would have blackpowder. And before you someone says it would provoke the qunari to war I would like to point out they already are trying to do that. I mean look at tresspasser. That wasn't like the arishok losing it in kirkwall that was the qunari leadership choosing to attack all of thedas. Depends if you believe the letter from the Triumvirate that Viddasala intercepted that said she had gone rogue or not, which considering how divided the Qun seems to be in Tevinter Nights seems can go either way.
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Post by MrGDL87 on Aug 17, 2021 19:49:03 GMT
I would say that Vivienne is the ideal fit for me personally (although my opinion is heavily biased because she my favourite inquisitions character ) The pros for Vivienne include: - That she has an understanding about the mage/templar circle system first hand because she has lived through it (albeit a more privileged lifestyle than others)
- She maintains the status quo but her reforms make it better for mages and she does this in a gradual way making more appealing to the general population at large.
- She has some political clout behind her as she has experience with the cloak and dagger politics of Orlais. So Vivienne as divine would have the gumption to say no to a country or faction.
I can't remember offhand what additional freedoms she does give the mages (as it has been awhile since I last played) but I think trying to improve an existing circle system is better than destroying it altogether and starting from scratch. As for the cons of Vivienne, I'll leave that to others to discuss because I'm just blinded by the positives One thing I don't like though is that Vivienne was an option to begin with (because she's a mage) and this flies against the face of the tradition of the divine election. If Vivienne wasn't an option, I suppose Cassandra would be my second choice.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 18, 2021 19:57:39 GMT
Exactly. By involving other races she is strengthening the chantry and helping "not ending but helping" weaken some of the prejudice against the other races. And imagine if some of the tal vasoth joined in. The qunari would be much less of a threat since both sides would have blackpowder. And before you someone says it would provoke the qunari to war I would like to point out they already are trying to do that. I mean look at tresspasser. That wasn't like the arishok losing it in kirkwall that was the qunari leadership choosing to attack all of thedas. Depends if you believe the letter from the Triumvirate that Viddasala intercepted that said she had gone rogue or not, which considering how divided the Qun seems to be in Tevinter Nights seems can go either way. I've never read the comics but didn't they say something along the lines of "after losing their quick victory the qunari went home to discuss options and noone knows what they are talking about" in the tresspasser epilouge?
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Post by Buckeldemon on Aug 19, 2021 1:58:37 GMT
Anyway, the most 'legit' choice would be abolishing the position. What after? The whole DAU is brainwashed with the chantry bs and religion. It infiltrated Orzammar dwarves who usually stay true to their "stone-religion" (DAO quest). Abolish that powerful post (what is the Divine good for anyway, just a person in high hat with two hands and an army) and there will always be someone else to "guide" people using that power. Like one version of redhead said in DAI "people are sheep". Probably would not matter what Divine anyway as Solas is going to screw over again as he has always done. I'm generally not a fan of keeping up BS "because this is how it has always been". I mean, I never helped the dear b(r)other Burkel as far as I remember. And if I did Dagna's quest as well, hindsight proves me right.
Heh, I'd almost like to see a bitch fight between all these Grand Clerics. I don't know if there's a counterpart to Excommunication in Andrastianism, but if so, imagine the fun...
I have no issues with Solas screwing over the Chantry, regardless who's in charge (though Cassandra deserves it most, simply for being my... least favourite option).
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Post by Gileadan on Aug 19, 2021 6:50:38 GMT
Cassandra, she seems the most balanced to me.
Vivienne is too harsh.
Leliana clearly needs therapy.
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Post by Sonya on Aug 19, 2021 8:16:10 GMT
I'm generally not a fan of keeping up BS "because this is how it has always been". I mean, I never helped the dear b(r)other Burkel as far as I remember. And if I did Dagna's quest as well, hindsight proves me right.
Heh, I'd almost like to see a bitch fight between all these Grand Clerics. I don't know if there's a counterpart to Excommunication in Andrastianism, but if so, imagine the fun...
I have no issues with Solas screwing over the Chantry, regardless who's in charge (though Cassandra deserves it most, simply for being my... least favourite option). Clearly not the answer to my clear as day question. -- Regardless, to sum up that all - Solas will destroy everything so nothing to worry about.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 19, 2021 12:16:52 GMT
Cassandra, she seems the most balanced to me. Vivienne is too harsh. Leliana clearly needs therapy. How DARE YOU insult Leliana.
Sorry couldn't help it
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Post by Buckeldemon on Aug 19, 2021 17:46:28 GMT
I'm generally not a fan of keeping up BS "because this is how it has always been". I mean, I never helped the dear b(r)other Burkel as far as I remember. And if I did Dagna's quest as well, hindsight proves me right.
Heh, I'd almost like to see a bitch fight between all these Grand Clerics. I don't know if there's a counterpart to Excommunication in Andrastianism, but if so, imagine the fun...
I have no issues with Solas screwing over the Chantry, regardless who's in charge (though Cassandra deserves it most, simply for being my... least favourite option). Clearly not the answer to my clear as day question. -- Regardless, to sum up that all - Solas will destroy everything so nothing to worry about. Excuse me? What did you want to hear? I said abolish it (like the rest of the Chantry should be, seriously). Or at least attempt so and then watch the clerics fight each other as they create new positions to prop themselves up ( Orlesians like to do that). I suppose Cassandra fans don't like it. Vivienne and Leliana at least get what everything is about and try to turn things, upside down and differently, but still. Cassandra is more like "actually, everything was fine and dandy, so why not restore it, but make people be nicer to each other this time?"
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Post by mn123456789 on Aug 19, 2021 17:57:57 GMT
Hardened Lelianna, the blood of the chantry is always nice and she's the only one, I think where the college of enchanters is bigger then the circl, and thirdly,
there's tons of people dying becauce of the circle/chantry, apostates turning to blood magic becauce their afriad of being catched by a templar, and then the power makes them greedy they kill more people for blood, and summon demons, a direct result of turning to it becauce their afraid of being catched by the chantry, in other words more people die under Vivienne and Cassandra, who's the one being scary
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