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Post by mgsmsc on Sept 25, 2021 18:43:01 GMT
Yeah - focus group syndrome. I get the impression whoever writes the survey may very well see immersion/losing yourself differently from me. I certainly didn't pick up on a link between that and an open world but your point makes sense to me. Its just another way when your not on someones wavelength that things get lost in translation. Not just that but little details so often add the sparkle on anything - boiling a game down to just a general signal misses those out and not everyone will remember the little things that gave them a smile or hooked you in over the course of however many hours. One of the other threads mentions a banter between Wynne and Alistair - I barely remembered it but wee snippets like that, when done well, add so much. I agree with you on some of the open world stuff especially MEA and the enemy encounters. Very repetive to say the least. I liked DAI mind you but those areas were a tad smaller and I find myself tackling them in a much more linear fashion. I think my one and only 6 was something to do with story or plot etc. That and character writing is probably a priority for me. Several years ago I would have thought we were in a safe pair of hands but yeah - not so much now. Your likely right on some of the auto 6 giving behaviour! Far too much unwarranted enthusiasm! Seriously though it ties in with some of the little things I referred to earlier being overlooked. Maybe I am an outlier (actually put a hold on the maybe) but things looking nice is sort of a luxury to me. I'd much rather have substance and engagement than 'oh thats a pretty view.' Better still - 'ooohhh great textures,' when your being shot up the rear end. Are people really convinced by how it looks over how it feels? Maybe everyone just expects great graphics now. The relationship with EA, despite a renewed emphasis on SP play still concerns me RE technical support. No matter how good or bad a job is done of design and writing, the old problems with culture and backlogs will torpedo them should they still be there. I might have missed some of the conversation here and apologies if I've missed anything or misunderstood anything, but let me just chip in to (hopefully) clear up some confusion.
For starters, the question of what fun is or what entertaining is in games is foundational to our study. Without spoiling too much, seeing what players find entertaining in a game (and definitely, things like sadness can be "fun" as well) and examining how broad their definition of entertainment (or fun) is, is sort of the point of our questions.
Regarding the point that some of the questions need more context, I can say that I follow the comments there. However, in a research set-up like ours using a survey with mostly closed-off multiple choice questions, that is something that is almost impossible to do. That being said, we do understand 'fun' in our survey similar to the general understanding of the word: what is pleasurable to you. And as was mentioned here in the discussion as well, the other items - whether they be about ME5 specifically, about general game preferences or about orientations to daily activities - give more context to us as researchers in what players think is "enjoyable" or entertaining, or at least let us in on why people would play/buy ME5 or games in general.
Furthermore, the questions we use in the survey are not just statements that we ourselves came up with during a night of beers (although that sounds really good!). Most questions come from validated scales, that were build by previous researchers who talked to gamers about their motivations regarding playing games, for instance.
Back to the lack of context to some of the statements: I agree that such a study on more detailed notions of what feeling immersed in game worlds (like ME) or what fun really means for different players is equally - if not even more - interesting than our current survey. However, that's another approach to players' expectations and motivations to play ME5, which we haven't chosen to do and of which there already exists some work that goes more into detail regarding entertainment values, immersion, or fun and not so fun game experiences.
Hope this gives some more context! But happy to keep this discussion going, I always love critical answers (and minds).
Thanks for explaining your methods a little more. Did you design your survey with a particular kind of model or analysis in mind? I knew someone who ended up doing a contingency table for a small survey once but from memory this looks a bit bigger in comparison. I remember some lecturers years ago talking up the benefits of critical thinking, I usually have that covered! The other gem was 'A question is a compliment.'
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Post by Cyberstrike on Sept 25, 2021 19:15:41 GMT
Done with the survey. I hope it helps.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Sept 25, 2021 19:52:34 GMT
Just finished up the survey Thanks for filling in the survey! No problem, always ready to help a Southern neighbor (I'm Dutch)
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Post by rowandaneels on Sept 27, 2021 11:19:06 GMT
Done with the survey. I hope it helps. It surely does, thanks!!
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Post by rowandaneels on Sept 27, 2021 11:31:03 GMT
I might have missed some of the conversation here and apologies if I've missed anything or misunderstood anything, but let me just chip in to (hopefully) clear up some confusion.
For starters, the question of what fun is or what entertaining is in games is foundational to our study. Without spoiling too much, seeing what players find entertaining in a game (and definitely, things like sadness can be "fun" as well) and examining how broad their definition of entertainment (or fun) is, is sort of the point of our questions.
Regarding the point that some of the questions need more context, I can say that I follow the comments there. However, in a research set-up like ours using a survey with mostly closed-off multiple choice questions, that is something that is almost impossible to do. That being said, we do understand 'fun' in our survey similar to the general understanding of the word: what is pleasurable to you. And as was mentioned here in the discussion as well, the other items - whether they be about ME5 specifically, about general game preferences or about orientations to daily activities - give more context to us as researchers in what players think is "enjoyable" or entertaining, or at least let us in on why people would play/buy ME5 or games in general.
Furthermore, the questions we use in the survey are not just statements that we ourselves came up with during a night of beers (although that sounds really good!). Most questions come from validated scales, that were build by previous researchers who talked to gamers about their motivations regarding playing games, for instance.
Back to the lack of context to some of the statements: I agree that such a study on more detailed notions of what feeling immersed in game worlds (like ME) or what fun really means for different players is equally - if not even more - interesting than our current survey. However, that's another approach to players' expectations and motivations to play ME5, which we haven't chosen to do and of which there already exists some work that goes more into detail regarding entertainment values, immersion, or fun and not so fun game experiences.
Hope this gives some more context! But happy to keep this discussion going, I always love critical answers (and minds).
Thanks for explaining your methods a little more. Did you design your survey with a particular kind of model or analysis in mind? I knew someone who ended up doing a contingency table for a small survey once but from memory this looks a bit bigger in comparison. I remember some lecturers years ago talking up the benefits of critical thinking, I usually have that covered! The other gem was 'A question is a compliment.' No problem at all!
Again, without giving away too much for people reading with us (and haven't participated yet), we designed our survey with a particular theoretical framework in mind. This framework sees entertainment (such as playing games) not just as the traditional notions of fun or enjoyment, but also as "something more". Our survey basically wants to see if people play or buy a game like ME5 because it can deliver them "something more". As for analysis, we'll probably implement some statistical testing, for instance, connecting the answers of the specific reasons to play ME 5 to the answers of how likely it is that people will be playing/buying the game. Hope it all becomes clearer once we share our results!
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 27, 2021 11:44:52 GMT
Again, that "Something more" is ... it has nothing to do with the survey in itself and I want to clarify that. I am sure the people behind it are all very smart and know what they are doing and can do wonderful stuff with the data it generates. But I don't trust Bioware with it. Yes, people want something more from a Bioware game. But something more also shouldn't mean everything. And I get it, that this is about seeing which features that they could implement have the most pull, but I don't trust Bioware to make them. And if it is all about getting other studios to come in and implement them for them, why do we even need the Bioware Studio for that? Give the franchise to one of the other studios. We are, inadvertently, building a Frankenstein's Monster of a game, with several moving parts that have nothing to do with the franchise or the game itself, but are, instead, a marketing ploy, to get people interested, not in the world and writing, but gameplay features. This is Anthem type of game development, not Mass Effect. We are, yet again, advancing in the wrong direction.
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Sept 27, 2021 17:55:47 GMT
Done. Greetings from Amsterdam. Success with your research project.
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Sept 27, 2021 18:16:41 GMT
Furthermore, the questions we use in the survey are not just statements that we ourselves came up with during a night of beers (although that sounds really good!) I recommend La Chouffe Blonde.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 27, 2021 19:38:55 GMT
Nah.
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Sept 27, 2021 19:51:27 GMT
Culture barbarian!
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 27, 2021 19:53:13 GMT
Culture barbarian! Hey, when in Rome ... Well, the Netherlands, in this case.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Sept 27, 2021 22:30:19 GMT
Done and delivered, where is my cookie?
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Sept 28, 2021 0:10:15 GMT
Culture barbarian! Hey, when in Rome ... Well, the Netherlands, in this case.
I am Dutch, but I have to admit that the Belgians make State of the Art Beer. Note the capital B.
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Post by rowandaneels on Sept 28, 2021 8:53:28 GMT
Done. Greetings from Amsterdam. Success with your research project. Thanks!
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Post by rowandaneels on Sept 28, 2021 8:57:59 GMT
Done and delivered, where is my cookie? Thanks! For now, it's just a virtual cookie
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Post by rowandaneels on Sept 28, 2021 9:00:26 GMT
Hey, when in Rome ... Well, the Netherlands, in this case.
I am Dutch, but I have to admit that the Belgians make State of the Art Beer. Note the capital B. A Chouffe is great, but as a true Antwerp-born I prefer a 'Bolleke Konick'
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Post by rowandaneels on Sept 29, 2021 13:25:40 GMT
Small update: as we received an amazing amount of responses, we already decided to close the survey. We might relaunch our survey in the future or do a similar follow-up questionnaire. If anyone's interested in that, you can leave your email using the existing survey link (which will only be used to contact you for future studies) and we can directly send a link.
Thanks again for helping us in our study!
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Post by rowandaneels on Apr 19, 2022 14:25:10 GMT
Hello everyone, Some time back, we invited members of this forum to take a survey on gaming motivations for a research project which was a collaboration between myself (Rowan Daneels, University of Antwerp, Belgium), prof. dr. Nick Bowman (Texas Tech U, USA) and dr. Daniel Possler (IJK Hannover, Germany). We focused on several upcoming (at that time) games, including the upcoming Mass Effect. We received more than 1000 valid responses to the survey and now, we're pleased to share those results with everyone. If you follow the following URL to the safe open science platform OSF ( osf.io/mdvjw/?view_only=3a639ea6a7e14897bcfdfa8767f724ce) you will see a file called " Executive Summary | Eudaimonic Gaming Motivations survey.pdf." In that file, we included a short overview of our results. Enjoy, and feel free to chat more about them. Apologies in advance if we're slow to engage the chat in here, and if needed, you can contact me at rowan.daneels@uantwerpen.be. On behalf of our research team, please know that we really appreciate the time you took to share your thoughts with us. Game on. =) Rowan
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Post by hulluliini on Apr 21, 2022 10:09:00 GMT
This link takes me to a sign in page. After signing up, I still had to request access. Did the link expire already?
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Post by rowandaneels on Apr 27, 2022 14:47:03 GMT
This link takes me to a sign in page. After signing up, I still had to request access. Did the link expire already? Ah shoot! I believe we made a mistake on our end. The 'request access' should be disabled now, and the website and file should be available now. Maybe give it another go? Sorry for the inconvenience!
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Post by hulluliini on Apr 28, 2022 9:39:31 GMT
Still opens in the login page. However, in incognito mode, it opens correctly. Whatever that means!
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