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Post by mattfon on Oct 12, 2021 2:04:51 GMT
I know its weird but I've been wanting this for a while. And I want it for every race and gender
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 3:46:56 GMT
Not weird, just horny.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Oct 12, 2021 12:00:43 GMT
Same here. Especially the lesser loved dwarves and qunari.
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Post by Beerfish on Oct 12, 2021 21:32:38 GMT
"Bah, foolish Humans, If I dislike you I would break you in half and if I like you I would break you in half."
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Oct 15, 2021 7:48:53 GMT
I'm not getting my hopes up for specific romances this time around. I'll inevitably be disappointed when the character turns out to be straight, given I prefer m/m and f/f romances.
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Post by wright1978 on Oct 15, 2021 10:18:20 GMT
Not got much interest in her. Still hoping for Crow woman or at least some beautiful female human or Elf this time round
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Post by ClaudiaSilvestri on Oct 16, 2021 5:21:53 GMT
I'm not getting my hopes up for specific romances this time around. I'll inevitably be disappointed when the character turns out to be straight, given I prefer m/m and f/f romances.
After Jack, Cassandra, and Cora, I'm starting to think "woman who isn't traditionally feminine and strongly appeals to WLW is a straight-only romance" is some kind of Bioware running gag. (Though I might be wrong on what people think of Cora; I didn't hear a lot of specific opinions on MEA beyond the general negativity.) Either way, I really hope that they stop.
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Post by Gwydden on Oct 16, 2021 16:20:06 GMT
After Jack, Cassandra, and Cora, I'm starting to think "woman who isn't traditionally feminine and strongly appeals to WLW is a straight-only romance" is some kind of Bioware running gag. (Though I might be wrong on what people think of Cora; I didn't hear a lot of specific opinions on MEA beyond the general negativity.) Either way, I really hope that they stop.
Next you'll tell me you don't want yet another promiscuous bisexual! More seriously, I suspect the trend you're identifying is a combination of not wanting to be accused of giving in to "butch" lesbian stereotypes and trying (too hard?) to avoid their m/f love interests coming across as male gazey.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Oct 16, 2021 20:09:00 GMT
After Jack, Cassandra, and Cora, I'm starting to think "woman who isn't traditionally feminine and strongly appeals to WLW is a straight-only romance" is some kind of Bioware running gag. (Though I might be wrong on what people think of Cora; I didn't hear a lot of specific opinions on MEA beyond the general negativity.) Either way, I really hope that they stop.
Next you'll tell me you don't want yet another promiscuous bisexual! More seriously, I suspect the trend you're identifying is a combination of not wanting to be accused of giving in to "butch" lesbian stereotypes and trying (too hard?) to avoid their m/f love interests coming across as male gazey. I think it's fine to some extent (and honestly, I don't even think of the female qunari character we've seen so far as falling into that "running gag" unless we end up seeing her in-game model and it's in the cookie cutter "Bioware female character with shaved/short hair who isn't into feminine clothing, makeup, etc"). It's more that I wish there could be some female love interests for female player characters that are less feminine. It doesn't need to be all of them! I guess Sera kind of counts, but she's still fairly feminine with her makeup and tunic-dress thing.
I am curious if they might take Scout Harding into a "less feminine" direction, given some stuff we know about her upbringing and her conflict with her seamstress mother.
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Post by ClaudiaSilvestri on Oct 17, 2021 0:50:19 GMT
After Jack, Cassandra, and Cora, I'm starting to think "woman who isn't traditionally feminine and strongly appeals to WLW is a straight-only romance" is some kind of Bioware running gag. (Though I might be wrong on what people think of Cora; I didn't hear a lot of specific opinions on MEA beyond the general negativity.) Either way, I really hope that they stop.
Next you'll tell me you don't want yet another promiscuous bisexual! More seriously, I suspect the trend you're identifying is a combination of not wanting to be accused of giving in to "butch" lesbian stereotypes and trying (too hard?) to avoid their m/f love interests coming across as male gazey. That first part you list is what kind of baffles me though. Accused by who? I hear a lot of lesbians who'd like to have a romance with someone like Cassandra, and basically none who think that would be a concern.
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Post by Gwydden on Oct 17, 2021 14:23:00 GMT
That first part you list is what kind of baffles me though. Accused by who? I hear a lot of lesbians who'd like to have a romance with someone like Cassandra, and basically none who think that would be a concern. It may very well be an unfounded fear; I certainly have not seen any such complaints either. But the fear itself is real. I recall the devs for a different RPG, Expeditions: Viking, were asked why the shieldmaiden companion was a straight-only romance, and they answered that they didn't want to give in to the stereotype of the tomboy being into other women. It wouldn't surprise me if there was similar thinking at Bioware, although strangely they do not seem to mind other such stereotypes—like the aforementioned promiscuous bisexual, or the sassy, dapper gay man (Dorian).
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Oct 17, 2021 17:50:45 GMT
Am i the only one who is more interested in the female Qunari backstory and finally having one in the party after 3 Main Games, one Addon and several DLCs than her personal sex life? I just hope that she is a true Tal-Vashoth. I don´t see the need for another Qunari companion after Sten, Tallis and yes even The Iron Bull.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 17, 2021 18:06:00 GMT
Am i the only one who is more interested in the female Qunari backstory and finally having one in the party after 3 Main Games, one Addon and several DLCs than her personal sex life? I just hope that she is a true Tal-Vashoth. I don´t see the need for another Qunari companion after Sten, Tallis and yes even The Iron Bull. It’d be interesting if we had both: a Tal-Vashoth as well as someone from the Qun. That relationship has a lot of potential, and would give different perspectives of the events regarding the Qun.
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Post by lk13 on Oct 17, 2021 19:16:36 GMT
I mean, it would be one of the greatest troll moves ever to finally have the female Qunari companion people have been asking about since forever... and make her unromanceable. But I honestly can see them doing it, while also providing reasons why. Still a troll move though
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Oct 17, 2021 19:34:47 GMT
It’d be interesting if we had both: a Tal-Vashoth as well as someone from the Qun. That relationship has a lot of potential, and would give different perspectives of the events regarding the Qun. I disagree first i honestly believe that we only get one qunari companion at the time, second we already known their perspectives through previous qunari characters and third well some old and new qunari characters will show up in DA 4.
For example Sten as the new Arishok who would likely be a major character / NPC in the game.
I mean, it would be one of the greatest troll moves ever to finally have the female Qunari companion people have been asking about since forever... and make her unromanceable. But I honestly can see them doing it, while also providing reasons why. Still a troll move though Not even close for a troll move then denying a dwarven romance.
To be fair i don´t see any reason besides different heights animations that the female Qunari couldn´t be a romance option. Right now the only companion i really don´t see as a love interest is the Ghost Rider / Mortalitasi thing. But that´s ok i would assume that most people don´t want to romance a burning skull thing, right?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 17, 2021 19:43:18 GMT
It’d be interesting if we had both: a Tal-Vashoth as well as someone from the Qun. That relationship has a lot of potential, and would give different perspectives of the events regarding the Qun. I disagree first i honestly believe that we only get one qunari companion at the time, second we already known their perspectives through previous qunari characters and third well some old and new qunari characters will show up in DA 4. For example Sten as the new Arishok who would likely be a major character / NPC in the game.
Except we don’t. The Qun is at war now, which gives perspective of their side in it. And also, the Qun is divided on what to do so those are things to explore. Being just NPCs in this isn’t enough, especially with how major a plot this is since they’ve been building up to it since DAO. Also the only perspective we’ve ever had from them are either Antaam or Ben-Haasrath. I don’t want it just to be swept away to where the only perspective the companions have is Anti-Qun. To do that is bad writing. Also who says they have to be a second qunari character? You yourself pointed out people like Tallis as options.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Oct 17, 2021 19:56:08 GMT
Except we don’t. The Qun is at war now, which gives perspective of their side in it. And also, the Qun is divided on what to do so those are things to explore. Being just NPCs in this isn’t enough, especially with how major a plot this is since they’ve been building up to it since DAO. Also the only perspective we’ve ever had from them are either Antaam or Ben-Haasrath. I don’t want it just to be swept away to where the only perspective the companions have is Anti-Qun. To do that is bad writing. Well i can´t remember that we have in DAI a templar companion. Cassandra as a seeker by the way doesn´t count. Also how many companions do you think that we have in DA 4? If we are lucky we get the same as in DAI so 9 companions. Sorry it´s impossible that every possible faction in DA 4 as their own companion.
So yeah for DA 4 it should be a Anti-Qun character after 3 qun characters in a row.
It´s an option for sure but i don´t honestly believe that Tallis, Gatt or some new will be part of the DA 4 party. Also you can argue that a qunari character won´t fit the overall DA 4 theme which is more about unlikely outcasts
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 17, 2021 20:06:13 GMT
Except we don’t. The Qun is at war now, which gives perspective of their side in it. And also, the Qun is divided on what to do so those are things to explore. Being just NPCs in this isn’t enough, especially with how major a plot this is since they’ve been building up to it since DAO. Also the only perspective we’ve ever had from them are either Antaam or Ben-Haasrath. I don’t want it just to be swept away to where the only perspective the companions have is Anti-Qun. To do that is bad writing. Well i can´t remember that we have in DAI a templar companion. Cassandra as a seeker by the way doesn´t count. Also how many companions do you think that we have in DA 4? If we are lucky we get the same as in DAI so 9 companions. Sorry it´s impossible that every possible faction in DA 4 as their own companion.
So yeah for DA 4 it should be a Anti-Qun character after 3 qun characters in a row.
It´s an option for sure but i don´t honestly believe that Tallis, Gatt or some new will be part of the DA 4 party. Also you can argue that a qunari character won´t fit the overall DA 4 theme which is more about unlikely outcasts
Cullen. Yes he is an advisor but they were equal to companions in terms of content. Also while not a Templar, Cassandra supported them over the mages. Vivienne as well. And push come to shove, Varric (as seen in DA2). I'm expecting at least around a dozen companion level characters going from their recent games (DAI had 12, MEA had 10, and so on). And sure, we can't have have every small faction. But the Qun isn't a small faction. It's one half of the war. Again, having a bunch of characters all support one side while having the other just portrayed by enemies isn't good writing. Also only Sten was truly Qun. Tallis stays with but wavers (is also only in a DLC so doesn't really count), and The Iron Bull was half and half with you choosing which half he embraces. Ah yes, because qunari definitely aren't outcasts on a continent (and especially in the country most of this takes place in) sees them as devils.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Oct 17, 2021 20:43:09 GMT
Cullen. Yes he is an advisor but they were equal to companions in terms of content. Also while not a Templar, Cassandra supported them over the mages. Vivienne as well. And push come to shove, Varric (as seen in DA2). Advisors are major NPCs and not companions who are members in the party. Also i would agree that Cullen wasn´t really a Templar anymore in DAI. But i also could made an argument for DA2 where we didn´t a Templar (Carver doesn´t count) or a Qunari / Tal-Vashoth in the party besides the fact that those factions play a big role in DA 2. Well too be honest Tal-Vashoths not that much. I don´t think that we will have Advisors characters in DA 4. I won´t fit the overall underdog theme. And second again these are major NPCs at best. Maybe those major NPCs are the leader of most important DA 4 factions. Then its bad writing you can´t have them all. We also only get one grey warden companion at the time
and the grey warden civil war is very likely one of the main conflicts. Sorry but i won´t view The Iron Bull even with that choice as a true Tal-Vashoth character. He is like Carver (or Bethany as circle mage if you will) as a templar. Technical they could be seen that way but with that little screentime they haven´t much to do in this role. Even with the hope that the Qunari weren´t shown just as evil bad guys it´s hard to ignore that they have begin to conquer Tevinter with a huge army. So yeah a Qunari companion who has connections with those army i won´t call an outcast.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 17, 2021 21:15:48 GMT
Cullen. Yes he is an advisor but they were equal to companions in terms of content. Also while not a Templar, Cassandra supported them over the mages. Vivienne as well. And push come to shove, Varric (as seen in DA2). Advisors are major NPCs and not companions who are members in the party. Also i would agree that Cullen wasn´t really a Templar anymore in DAI. But i also could made an argument for DA2 where we didn´t a Templar (Carver doesn´t count) or a Qunari / Tal-Vashoth in the party besides the fact that those factions play a big role in DA 2. Well too be honest Tal-Vashoths not that much. I don´t think that we will have Advisors characters in DA 4. I won´t fit the overall underdog theme. And second again these are major NPCs at best. Maybe those major NPCs are the leader of most important DA 4 factions. Then its bad writing you can´t have them all. We also only get one grey warden companion at the time
and the grey warden civil war is very likely one of the main conflicts. Sorry but i won´t view The Iron Bull even with that choice as a true Tal-Vashoth character. He is like Carver (or Bethany as circle mage if you will) as a templar. Technical they could be seen that way but with that little screentime they haven´t much to do in this role. Even with the hope that the Qunari weren´t shown just as evil bad guys it´s hard to ignore that they have begin to conquer Tevinter with a huge army. So yeah a Qunari companion who has connections with those army i won´t call an outcast. Advisors are equivalent to companions. They have the same amount of content. That's also why I sited games like ME with the non-squad crewmembers. Sure we might not have specifically advisors but we will absolutely have characters with just as big of roles as companions be a part of our team even if they don't fight with us. Those characters have been gaining more and more prominence and popularity for over a decade now. That's not the same thing as prominent NPCs. For example Stenishok I don't see being that level, but more like the leaders in the Mage/Templar or Orlesian Civil War arcs.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Oct 17, 2021 21:29:32 GMT
Advisors are equivalent to companions. They have the same amount of content. That's also why I sited games like ME with the non-squad crewmembers. No they not. The party members aka the companions have a lot more banter and the interactions with environments than the Advisors. Of course we have those characters. For example i would be shocked if Dorian won´t be one of those major NPCs. But unlike Cullen, Leliana or Josephine i don´t see him as an advisor for the player but more as an independent leader of his faction aka the Lucerni faction.
Edit: Or maybe one or two of those major NPCs could be our main merchant and rune crafter / smith. They just could a little more do this time. Maybe even as NPC romances. Who knows maybe this merchant / smith character could be gay similar to Mass Effects Steve Cortez or Gil Brodie. Its very likely that Sten as Arishok doesn´t have the screentime like already mentioned Dorian because for the majority of the game we cannot simply visit him but i still can see him simliar role to the former Arishok or i don´t Arl Eamon.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 17, 2021 21:38:57 GMT
Advisors are equivalent to companions. They have the same amount of content. That's also why I sited games like ME with the non-squad crewmembers. No they not. The party members aka the companions have a lot more banter and the interactions with environments than the Advisors. Of course we have those characters. For example i would be shocked if Dorian won´t be one of those major NPCs. But unlike Cullen, Leliana or Josephine i don´t see him
as an advisor for the player but more as an independent leader of his faction aka the Lucerni faction. Its very likely that Sten as Arishok doesn´t have the screentime like already mentioned Dorian because for the majority of the game we cannot simply visit him but i still can see him simliar role to the former Arishok or i don´t Arl Eamon. Bioware and most people disagree with you. I'm going to side with the creators over you. I definitely see us having some sort of advisor characters. They may not be official roles like Commander, Spymaster, or Ambassador but we'll definitely have some. Again to use ME as an example we had doctors, science officers, psychologists, comms officers, engineers, etc who all advised us on things. In which case as I said before then we don't have anyone of prominence for that perspective.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 17, 2021 21:39:50 GMT
Anyway, for romance I hope the female qunari has a non-sexual route at least.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Oct 17, 2021 21:50:23 GMT
Bioware and most people disagree with you. I'm going to side with the creators over you. Well shocker but you can´t ignore the fact that DAI party members have more to do them the advisors. I agree that the Skyhold or Winter Palace content is equal but unlike the companions you can´t bring them on missions. Same goes for Mass Effect with maybe the exception of Steve who a lot to do more as a shuttle pilot than Samantha. But i don´t think that he as equal screentime with Garrus for example. Like i said maybe we can romance our merchant and / or runecrafter this time.
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Post by ClaudiaSilvestri on Oct 17, 2021 22:24:47 GMT
That first part you list is what kind of baffles me though. Accused by who? I hear a lot of lesbians who'd like to have a romance with someone like Cassandra, and basically none who think that would be a concern. It may very well be an unfounded fear; I certainly have not seen any such complaints either. But the fear itself is real. I recall the devs for a different RPG, Expeditions: Viking, were asked why the shieldmaiden companion was a straight-only romance, and they answered that they didn't want to give in to the stereotype of the tomboy being into other women. It wouldn't surprise me if there was similar thinking at Bioware, although strangely they do not seem to mind other such stereotypes—like the aforementioned promiscuous bisexual, or the sassy, dapper gay man (Dorian). It sounds like a case where they're not really listening to their audience. Which I think is doubly ironic since usually when I do see straight men talking about Cassandra's romance, they're complaining.
But for the more general companion discussion, I'm hoping somewhat more for her to not be Qunari in the religious sense, or at least for it to be something you can affect. I couldn't see having a companion in a religious mindset that restrictive and keeping them in the party without trying to talk them out of it somehow. Particularly since I often play mage, and I'd think Qunari beliefs about that would be a dealbreaker for most mages, long-term. (My Vashoth mage seriously considered not recruiting Iron Bull at all.) I also think it'd be a neat contrast to have a non-believing qunari companion as well as a religious Qunari from one of the other races (human or elf, maybe).
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