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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 9, 2021 17:45:17 GMT
Νah. I don't want to play a game that is influenced by rabid fanbois. Fan hysteria makes a bad dev, bad writer, bad artist. They're already bad.
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Post by wright1978 on Nov 9, 2021 17:51:05 GMT
They still left the scene of Shepard taking a small breath in and lowered the amount of WA needed to attain it, I don't think it was a coincidence although I don't think even they know how to move forward from that point onward.
True.
However, by the time one of the rainbow colour choices was made, Earth's infrastructure was already destroyed. It's stone age time.... same for all the worlds of the major races. At this point, regardless of choice, the main priority is survival and rebuilding. What possible story could include space flying Shep?
This implies that the next story will start after some time... a century+ later. Again, no, Shep after a century post apocalypse. That's because humans are short lived. Going back to an earlier time during the Turian-Human war and again, no Shep.
ME5 will have no Shep. It's that simple.
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I think you could have a space flying shep in the post ending devastation period but it would be a very different world. Doing what’s needed to re-establish connections, maintaining order etc. I think the main reason coupled with the extreme darkness of the setting period is they’d be getting very personal by having to canonize everything about shep. i think going a century later is pretty pointless. Whereas If you go 500 years, then it makes sense to use Liara as a link as she’d likely be one of few connections to shep alive they’d have to script. You could even allow some sort of dragon age keep for certain shep choices outside of what they need to canonize for the setting.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 9, 2021 17:52:41 GMT
i think going a century later is pretty pointless. Whereas If you go 500 years, then it makes sense to use Liara as a link as she’d likely be one of few connections to shep alive they’d have to script. You could even allow some sort of dragon age keep for certain shep choices outside of what they need to canonize for the setting. I'd just like to point out, once again, that bringing Liara back is hypocritical.
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Post by wright1978 on Nov 9, 2021 17:59:49 GMT
i think going a century later is pretty pointless. Whereas If you go 500 years, then it makes sense to use Liara as a link as she’d likely be one of few connections to shep alive they’d have to script. You could even allow some sort of dragon age keep for certain shep choices outside of what they need to canonize for the setting. I'd just like to point out, once again, that bringing Liara back is hypocritical. Why is it hypocritical to use one of the few characters who’s lifespan would allow it as a link of the previous trilogy. Seems common sense to me.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 9, 2021 18:00:59 GMT
The fact that it should, doesn’t mean much at this point, though. It should mean everything, though. I don't know what else to tell you. Showing Liara looking at a N7 thing is on a completely different level. Again, it’s not something I agree on. If the reasoning behind it is to leave the camp open so that they’re not stuck with a new protagonist, I get that, but there was a simpler solution for that: don’t show Liara. Even if she’s in the game with a new protagonist, don’t show her right away. They knew they had to do it, to garner interest. Nobody would give a shit, otherwise. They know they are done without it. And they still choose to lead people on. I don’t get how three of the four bits can be used in this discussion (and even in regards of the endings, it was the first one), but I don’t think that either side is free of blame. Again, a specific, disappointed fan is free to criticize the game/s, and they shoudn’t be condemned for that. It doesn’t mean that they’re free to say whatever they want. You can and should be able to criticize something/someone without going too far or personal. It's not personal. But you can criticize a person, too. Nobody is free from criticism. No death threats, though. That's not cool. Ever. Doesn't fly with me. I can understand why someone would feel like that, but they gotta reel that in. I do think you can criticize a person, but it depends on how you do it. Agreed on death threats. The fact that Shepard is alive doesn’t mean their story would Continue. Also, you can still pick a different ending. Have they made Destroy canon, I’d have agreed with you. I do not know how they are moving forward at this point, while the new teaser image looks like a Geth head a different interpretation could be made that if you look the poster on it's side it looks like a Mass Relay and the... OMFG!!!!! The teaser image, the blue center is where the Mass Relay Element Zero would be located (that explains the defrosting on the downside, the rad isn't letting those sections cool off and the dash across the hole (horizontal dash) is both simulating the Geth head flaps as well the Mass Relays antennas, the spots of blue liquid outside the crater are both ways of saying it looks like the Geth secondary lights as well could be Eezo who fell outside the crater.... I need to post this on the N7 Teaser. You never know how a game turns out, whether it’s gameplay, graphics or writing. I think we are lowering our expectations to be pleasantly surprised later on. I was mostly referring to the ending in ME3/LE. For NME, yeah, to continue the story in the MW, even if they'd make a timeskip of a thousand years, they'd have to pick an ending, or a make a new one. They can't mesh them all in one, in my opinion. Sort of. I just don't have high expectations given the recent history, and a lot of that is tied with their development issues and culture, exposed in recent years.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 9, 2021 18:04:33 GMT
Why is it hypocritical to use one of the few characters who’s lifespan would allow it as a link of the previous trilogy. Seems common sense to me. Because you retired them, because other people can take their place, because you know that nothing would excite your audience, short of going back to the old cast and it was the only way to drum up some interest. Bioware retired them. All of them. They said it. When they appeared at cons, Mac Walters literally told fans that the cast is gone, all of them for good and are never coming back. So Mac Walters and the rest of Bioware are liars, established by many of the claims they've made, and hypocrites. And this is the second time they pull Liara out of retirement and shoe horn her into a plot, after retiring her. So they are repeat hypocrites.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 9, 2021 18:05:16 GMT
I'd just like to point out, once again, that bringing Liara back is hypocritical. Why is it hypocritical to use one of the few characters who’s lifespan would allow it as a link of the previous trilogy. Seems common sense to me. The trilogy proves she can't be trusted. If playing a new character, why would my character believe anything she says? If the next game is be in the future, I want no one from the trilogy to show up. There is nothing special about the asari for her to be in the next game.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 9, 2021 18:07:05 GMT
The trilogy proves she can't be trusted. If playing a new character, why would my character believe anything she says? If the next game is be in the future, I want no one from the trilogy to show up. There is nothing special about the asari for her to be in the next game. Exactly. Either you bring all of them, or none of them. I don't want them any other way.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 9, 2021 18:09:08 GMT
I do think you can criticize a person, but it depends on how you do it. I don't think it's wrong to call out people. For example, the hypocrisy displayed by many of Bioware's staff. Either on the personal, or the professional level. Especially when they shove the personal into the professional.
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Post by traks on Nov 9, 2021 18:14:04 GMT
i think going a century later is pretty pointless. Whereas If you go 500 years, then it makes sense to use Liara as a link as she’d likely be one of few connections to shep alive they’d have to script. You could even allow some sort of dragon age keep for certain shep choices outside of what they need to canonize for the setting. I'd just like to point out, once again, that bringing Liara back is hypocritical. Why? She is the shadow broker, which is independently an important role in the MW galaxy. Also long lived, so a natural bridge character.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 18:14:44 GMT
I think a new cast is the best option, as hanging on to either the trilogy or Andromeda is not preferable as each has it's own sets op problems.
Actually scratch that, using the cast from the trilogy is preferable if done in an appropriate manner. I proposed a sequel set in the immediate aftermath of ME3 in another thread as the best continuation for Mass Effect, using the existing cast to form a bridge is a good choice.
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Post by wright1978 on Nov 9, 2021 18:18:01 GMT
Why is it hypocritical to use one of the few characters who’s lifespan would allow it as a link of the previous trilogy. Seems common sense to me. The trilogy proves she can't be trusted. If playing a new character, why would my character believe anything she says? If the next game is be in the future, I want no one from the trilogy to show up. There is nothing special about the asari for her to be in the next game. Your new character would have no reason not to trust her. To him/her she would be some Asari matron who up to that point is a legendary figure they’ve never met. While I want the game set long enough later that most are dead, I have no issue with odd cast member returning in an npc role. Liara isn’t a character I particularly like but I can see why she makes sense as an Anderson role if the game is set 500 years on. Her potential longevity, plus her canon role in trilogy is special.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 9, 2021 18:18:05 GMT
I'd just like to point out, once again, that bringing Liara back is hypocritical. Why? She is the shadow broker, which is independently an important role in the MW galaxy. Also long lived, so a natural bridge character. Because she's retired. Bioware sent her off. Mac Walters told people that none of the trilogy characters are coming back, but the moment the shit hits the fan, they bring Liara back. And setting the game at a specific time period, so that the human squad members are conveniently dead, is insulting and hypocritical. Because you obviously never sent them off, that was never the intention, you just don't want to do what the fans want, but also need to do something to get interest back. or you're fucked, so you're bringing Liara back, for the second time, the second fucking time, now front and center. Hypocrisy at its finest.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 9, 2021 18:18:51 GMT
I think a new cast is the best option, hanging on to either the trilogy or Andromeda is not preferable for varying reasons. Why? They're going to be badly formed reskins of the previous characters, either way.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 18:22:08 GMT
I think a new cast is the best option, hanging on to either the trilogy or Andromeda is not preferable for varying reasons. Why? They're going to be badly formed reskins of the previous characters, either way. Yeah, I realised that using the cast from the trilogy is actually my prefered way forward and edited my post accordingly.
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Post by traks on Nov 9, 2021 18:22:19 GMT
Why? She is the shadow broker, which is independently an important role in the MW galaxy. Also long lived, so a natural bridge character. Because she's retired. Bioware sent her off. Mac Walters told people that none of the trilogy characters are coming back, but the moment the shit hits the fan, they bring Liara back. And setting the game at a specific time period, so that the human squad members are conveniently dead, is insulting and hypocritical. Because you obviously never sent them off, that was never the intention, you just don't want to do what the fans want, but also need to do something to get interest back. or you're fucked, so you're bringing Liara back, for the second time, the second fucking time, now front and center. Hypocrisy at its finest. Why should a shadow broker retire? Good character to be a quest giver or that the new cast searches for to find clues (for whatever problem arises in the next game). Also, please talk for what you want, not THE fans. You are just one, not a Legion. Same as anyone else here. Everyone with a different opinion.
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Post by wright1978 on Nov 9, 2021 18:23:24 GMT
Why is it hypocritical to use one of the few characters who’s lifespan would allow it as a link of the previous trilogy. Seems common sense to me. Because you retired them, because other people can take their place, because you know that nothing would excite your audience, short of going back to the old cast and it was the only way to drum up some interest. Bioware retired them. All of them. They said it. When they appeared at cons, Mac Walters literally told fans that the cast is gone, all of them for good and are never coming back. So Mac Walters and the rest of Bioware are liars, established by many of the claims they've made, and hypocrites. And this is the second time they pull Liara out of retirement and shoe horn her into a plot, after retiring her. So they are repeat hypocrites. It’s pretty clear plans have changed due to the atrocious reception of Andromeda. They are going to have to do some degree of canonising(something they said they wouldn’t), so I unretiring a major trilogy character who could act as a very good bridge character is pretty small fry as far as revisions.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 9, 2021 18:26:56 GMT
Why should a shadow broker retire? Good character to be a quest giver or that the new cast searches for to find clues (for whatever problem arises in the next game). Because the writing team retired her. Did you miss that? It was a whole thing. Had a party. Then the world ended. Retired. Bioware retired her and said they are never going back to her. Alongside everyone else. There was a lot of hubbub around it at the time. Which means, if they bring her back a second time, it's not even a passing of the torch kind of thing. She kept the torch and is still going. Which mean nobody is retired. Also, please talk for what you want, not THE fans. You are just one, not a Legion. Same as anyone else here. Everyone with a different opinion. I'm representing the people that have a similar opinion as me. There are more than one person that can agree with me. We have 11 votes so far.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 9, 2021 18:28:26 GMT
It’s pretty clear plans have changed due to the atrocious reception of Andromeda. They are going to have to do some degree of canonising(something they said they wouldn’t), so I unretiring a major trilogy character who could act as a very good bridge character is pretty small fry as far as revisions. Oh. So it's OK to go back on your word and the lectures you gave the fans, exactly because this is the shit they warned you about, without trying to make amend, because that is the most convenient way out for you? Would that fit the definition of hypocrisy? I'd say it does.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 9, 2021 18:33:18 GMT
The trilogy proves she can't be trusted. If playing a new character, why would my character believe anything she says? If the next game is be in the future, I want no one from the trilogy to show up. There is nothing special about the asari for her to be in the next game. Your new character would have no reason not to trust her. After reading Shepard's biography, my character wouldn't want anything to do with the asari. My Shepard never liked and never trusted the asari. Legendary? Ha. This is the same character who thought it would be a good idea to steal armor from a dead corpse to be put on display like it's some kind of prize. The same character who claims Shepard is a friend by not informing anyone the body is in the hands of Cerberus. This is the same character who decides to blame others for what happened on Thessia instead of her own species fro waiting to the last minute to onform anyione about something that could help. Nothing legendary about her. She's just some character forced on the Normandy that my Shepard had no care about. In an Anderson role? And what role did he have? What was her canon role in the trilogy? If you remove her saying the word Ilos, she had no role. If Bioware let Shepard use the cipher to it's potential, the asari would never have been needed especially in ME3.
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Post by wright1978 on Nov 9, 2021 18:35:12 GMT
It’s pretty clear plans have changed due to the atrocious reception of Andromeda. They are going to have to do some degree of canonising(something they said they wouldn’t), so I unretiring a major trilogy character who could act as a very good bridge character is pretty small fry as far as revisions. Oh. So it's OK to go back on your word and the lectures you gave the fans, exactly because this is the shit they warned you about, without trying to make amend, because that is the most convenient way out for you? Would that fit the definition of hypocrisy? I'd say it does. Haven’t ever seen their quotes about retiring them. I thought gamble’s quote about not canonising was silly at the time. You should never be definitive about such things. You can call them hypocrites if you like, most people and the devs themselves probably won’t care a jot if it helps them create a successful game to relaunch the franchise after the andromeda iceberg.
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Post by Phantom on Nov 9, 2021 18:39:13 GMT
Sex sells my friend and money is king. There will be attractive characters in the next ME game. Even comic books which have become ultra woke have half naked women with impossible figures in them. Meanwhile the half naked women with impossible figures in Marvel comics Yeah. No. That's She-Hulk, by the way, not Hulk. you are evil; I like you. Now I will go into Cerberus Labs to get stuff to wipe everyone's memories for this image. I am admitting that Cerberus has perfected Technology to do that. I am not repeating what happen in Sinapore.
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Post by lordmoral on Nov 9, 2021 18:44:15 GMT
Sort of. I just don't have high expectations given the recent history, and a lot of that is tied with their development issues and culture, exposed in recent years. You and me agree there, if you haven't check what I have been documenting while trying to check the status of a new patch for the LE.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 9, 2021 18:45:13 GMT
Haven’t ever seen their quotes about retiring them. I thought gamble’s quote about not canonising was silly at the time. You should never be definitive about such things. We warned them about it. We told them. Mac Walters was definitive, though. He told us that they are never coming back and that we should move on. How is bringing Liara back for the 2nd time, after the trilogy is over and the writing team retired all of the trilogy's characters, retiring her? Because Mac Walters was definitive about it. And nobody from Bioware corrected him. Which means, as a representative of the company, as Mass Effect's writing lead, that is the line. ALL of them. No exceptions. You can call them hypocrites if you like, most people and the devs themselves probably won’t care a jot if it helps them create a successful game to relaunch the franchise after the andromeda iceberg. It won't be, though. The moment the public finds out that Bioware led them along and no Shepard and co. are in sight, just more of Josh Whedon's sloppy seconds, but with Liara, this is going to be a shitshow. And what is the point of moving away from Ryder and co., just to make Ryder and co. #2? What's the purpose? At least give the Ryder fans what they want. And you are right, it doesn't matter if I call them hypocrites now. When Bioware gets called out by the fans and then Bioware tries to turn it around, then everyone will. Because they are absolutely thrilled to ride on the coattails of the good PR of people thinking Shepard and co. is back and not saying out right, right now, that they aren't and being honest about it. But when the time to be honest inevitably comes, they are hoping that nobody will care. But they will.
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