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Post by mousestalker on Nov 17, 2021 4:03:13 GMT
I truly doubt that any Mass Effect game will ever rival the sheer fun of Dragon Age. It's also probable that we have already seen the best games in the Mass Effect series.
What are your thoughts?
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Post by smilesja on Nov 17, 2021 4:18:44 GMT
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Post by mousestalker on Nov 17, 2021 4:33:40 GMT
Where's the hype thread? Start one.
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Post by Guardian on Nov 17, 2021 5:04:02 GMT
I truly doubt that any Mass Effect game will ever rival the sheer fun of Dragon Age. It's also probable that we have already seen the best games in the Mass Effect series. What are your thoughts?
Sadly, as much as I want to be optimistic, the writing is on the wall - Mass Effect is pretty much done. We've seen the best game (ME 2 - most aggregate sites will say the same), and while they could right the ship on ME: Next, I doubt they will.
I've said this many times - the endings of 3 are nuclear radioactive, and whether you agree or not, Andromeda caught a part of that radioactivity, and was not the game EA hoped it would be. It was a decent game; it was an okay game. Not horrible as many will shout, but not great, either.
Does that mean that a new crew won't save the series? It's far too early to tell. I don't see them going back to Ryder, and most places/comments/video think pieces all say Shepard is coming back, because of the one trailer we've gotten. I don't think that's happening, either. So already you've alienated two camps of Mass Effect fans. Now, could the new crew turn it around? It's possible, sure. But it's far too early to tell; and the longer BioWare/EA lets people think what they want to think, the blow-up will just be bigger and bigger, and then BioWare/EA will just blame the fans for not supporting them...again....
As for Dragon Age, Origins was amazing. DA 2 was good; it had it's moments, and it had some....rough times....but it was fun. Inquisition was the first DA game to not grab my attention. I felt really no connection to any character outside of Varric, and it just felt weird to have him there without Hawke. The region maps were just...a slog to get through and after doing The Exalted Plains, I was just ready to do the main plot and be done with the game. Origins had this similar issue, but I didn't feel the burnout until I got to the Brecilian Forest (which was usually the last area I would do). And by that point, we were on auto-pilot for the rest of the game. The original idea for DA: Joplin (I think it was called?) sounded really fun. I have no idea the current path the series will take in the fourth installment, but after Inquisition and Andromeda, I don't think I have much faith left in either franchise.
I could be wrong - I really hope I'm wrong, and I hope DA 4 will be a return to form like Origins and DA 2, but we'll see.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 17, 2021 14:48:34 GMT
I truly doubt that any Mass Effect game will ever rival the sheer fun of Dragon Age. It's also probable that we have already seen the best games in the Mass Effect series. What are your thoughts? No matter how much I like the trilogy, I take DAO as the best Bioware game I've played. Can Bioware top the trilogy? Only time will answer that question. If Ryder doesn't return, the next game has already bested MEA. With the remaster doing well, I would not be surprised EA continues with that. Even with the teaser showing Liara, it hints at Shepard returning. Showing dead reapers hints at destroy being the ending. Shepard can survive the red.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 17, 2021 15:04:59 GMT
I truly doubt that any Mass Effect game will ever rival the sheer fun of Dragon Age. It's also probable that we have already seen the best games in the Mass Effect series. What are your thoughts? No matter how much I like the trilogy, I take DAO as the best Bioware game I've played. Can Bioware top the trilogy? Only time will answer that question. If Ryder doesn't return, the next game has already bested MEA. With the remaster doing well, I would not be surprised EA continues with that. Even with the teaser showing Liara, it hints at Shepard returning. Showing dead reapers hints at destroy being the ending. Shepard can survive the red. I'd argue it is very easy to top the trilogy, in terms of an overarching plot, but the trilogy was neither about the plot, nor the gameplay. It's not even the setting. It was all about the people. And they can't top the people.
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Post by RedCaesar97 on Nov 17, 2021 22:42:44 GMT
I have never played a Dragon Age game, so I cannot comment on any game in that series.
My personal feelings is that while I have enjoyed each major game in the Mass Effect series, I do not think the next game will top Mass Effect 2, which is my favorite game in the series. It mostly comes down to the gameplay, and Mass Effect 2 had some semblance of a balanced weapon set, and each class actually felt distinct.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 17, 2021 23:06:27 GMT
I have never played a Dragon Age game, so I cannot comment on any game in that series. I would suggest trying one of the games. Like DAO. Get it when it's onsale or borrow a copy from a friend to play. You might end up liking it.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Nov 17, 2021 23:12:57 GMT
I have never played a Dragon Age game, so I cannot comment on any game in that series. I would suggest trying one of the games. Like DAO. Get it when it's onsale or borrow a copy from a friend to play. You might end up liking it. Seconded - although, be aware that gameplay in Origins is much, much slower than in ME. It's my favourite Bioware game, but Mike Laidlaw made a statement once that I found quite apt. I'm paraphrasing, but it was along the lines of; "Proud of DAO, but during combat I was always very aware that there were a pair of dice tumbling silently in the background".
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Post by Garo on Nov 18, 2021 0:28:20 GMT
I truly doubt that any Mass Effect game will ever rival the sheer fun of Dragon Age. It's also probable that we have already seen the best games in the Mass Effect series. What are your thoughts? Sheer fun? I mean I like Dragon Age as much as the next person but playing Dragon Age can be a hard, challenging work  With all that happened to Mass Effect, BW just has to know they will either succeed with the next Mass Effect or they will bury the franchise forever. LE was a test and an olive branch for the fanbase and for the most part it worked. Notice how they completely ignored Andromeda during N7 day this year. I think they are gearing up to create something that the old fans will (in their opinion at least) enjoy. But still, it's BW, they can fuck it up somehow 
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Post by Guardian on Nov 18, 2021 3:23:17 GMT
Sheer fun? I mean I like Dragon Age as much as the next person but playing Dragon Age can be a hard, challenging work With all that happened to Mass Effect, BW just has to know they will either succeed with the next Mass Effect or they will bury the franchise forever. LE was a test and an olive branch for the fanbase and for the most part it worked. Notice how they completely ignored Andromeda during N7 day this year. I think they are gearing up to create something that the old fans will (in their opinion at least) enjoy. But still, it's BW, they can fuck it up somehow  While I like to think the MELE was an olive branch, I don't think it was meant to be that. I think they knew it would sell - not as well as it did - but it would sell. For it to be seen as an "olive branch", one of two things would need to happen - either you please the Andromeda fans and return to Ryder and company, or you please the Shepard fans and return with Shepard and company. Neither of those are happening, honestly. But again, too many out there think Shepard is coming back, thanks to the trailer. And the longer they keep quiet, the bigger the blowback will be. I will say that this would be the one time BioWare/EA would have the right to get angry at the fans for "reading too much" into the trailer, but when they start to do things like what Gamble tweeted about if they win the VGA's, they start to lose any sort of ground to stand on.
If they really were using MELE as a test, then like SirSourpuss and themikefest have both said - they need to return to Shepard. Because a lot of those "old fans" only want one thing - Shepard to return. They're not really going to enjoy much else, and Andromeda proved that. They could have fixed this back when ME 3 was released by just saying, "Yes, we screwed up." Would have it fixed everything? No, but instead of realizing they made the mistake, they doubled down on being egomaniacs and just said, "You didn't understand our artistic vision."
I still say that a new crew is probably the best choice going forward, because you're going to alienate fans regardless of what you do - going back to Shepard or going back to Ryder. Going back to Ryder, though, will end the franchise, unless they make drastic changes to the character. I've said it before - a new cast could save this series, but I don't know if it will.
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Post by redeem on Nov 18, 2021 3:29:16 GMT
I will remain eternally skeptical if I am being brutally honest. As one of the posts alluded to above, the endings of ME3 were radioactive. It tarnished the trilogies image and message set by most of the three games while also tarnishing Bioware's word likely forever when it came to "artistic integrity". Andromeda wasn't good, but it wasn't bad either but it didn't help that it came right after one of the biggest video game ending fiasco's of all time. MET's setting as well as most of the characters were what made it good, and why ME2 is widely considered the best ME game of all time. The game was centred around learning about your squadmates origins and gaining their trust while the main plot was important per-say, it wasn't a balls to the wall activity that neglected meaningful character development and dialogue. It's been years and most likely longer and I doubt that I will ever regain trust in BW as a company to produce anything worth playing digitally.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Nov 18, 2021 3:56:47 GMT
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 18, 2021 6:52:59 GMT
I've said it before - a new cast could save this series, but I don't know if it will. It has to be so good, that blows everything that came before it, out of the water. And Bioware is just not going to accomplish that. People never even gave Ryder and co. a chance. They didn't care. And I can't see that changing for the next one, especially after the fans are led to believe Shepard and co. are back, for half a decade. |
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Post by garrusfan1 on Nov 18, 2021 17:13:07 GMT
I have never played a Dragon Age game, so I cannot comment on any game in that series. I would suggest trying one of the games. Like DAO. Get it when it's onsale or borrow a copy from a friend to play. You might end up liking it. It's incredibly cheap by this point too.
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Post by ahglock on Nov 18, 2021 21:26:39 GMT
I've said it before - a new cast could save this series, but I don't know if it will. It has to be so good, that blows everything that came before it, out of the water. And Bioware is just not going to accomplish that. People never even gave Ryder and co. a chance. They didn't care. And I can't see that changing for the next one, especially after the fans are led to believe Shepard and co. are back, for half a decade. I think most who played it gave them a chance, but they just didn't live up to mass effect standards. Heck they were mediocre by any recent character focused games standards.
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Post by ahglock on Nov 18, 2021 21:29:26 GMT
I'm skeptical bioware can write anything decent anymore. I have less faith in their ability to write mass effect decently again. Origins is the only DA game I like. It is where I felt the characters were decent and the story was solid. Its game play saved it for me as i like that style of games for rpgs. So maybe DA4 will be up to DA standards but that is meaningless to me.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 18, 2021 21:40:18 GMT
I'm skeptical bioware can write anything decent anymore. I have less faith in their ability to write mass effect decently again. Origins is the only DA game I like. It is where I felt the characters were decent and the story was solid. Its game play saved it for me as i like that style of games for rpgs. So maybe DA4 will be up to DA standards but that is meaningless to me. You know what the thing is with Origins? Like, I understand there were complaints on the BSN from people that it wasn't Baldur's Gate. I get that. Baldur's Gate wasn't Baldur's Gate, until 2. Like, 1 is a great game and one that every time I play it, I'm just amazed and one that I can't believe 2 is better and then I move on to 2 and I'm just blown the fuck away. You take what you make in 1 and you build it up. And that's what I'd expect of DA2, but they decided to take everything in a different direction, from gameplay to writing. I understand they had little time and everything, but the biggest problem was the gameplay. And they've moved even further from that, since then, because Inquisition was criticized, for not going back to Origins style combat. And I don't understand why they'd do that. And to top if all off, you got Pillars of Eternity making bank, Divinity Original Sin, basically Origins spurred a decade of a cRPG renaissance and now you have Larian being a well respected, highly praised developer, when their games are, honestly, not that good. I mean, gameplay, it's everything they should be, but plot, story, characters, all are just not there. You got Spiders contending Bioware straight up for their space and Bioware's segment has shrunk so much, that they basically jumped to something entirely else with Anthem and even then, when it could have been something to jump on to and forever leave the old Bioware behind, but they failed.
I don't understand what they are trying to achieve. I mean, more so than the product itself, you need a market strategy and I don't believe Bioware has one.
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Post by ahglock on Nov 18, 2021 21:50:04 GMT
I'm skeptical bioware can write anything decent anymore. I have less faith in their ability to write mass effect decently again. Origins is the only DA game I like. It is where I felt the characters were decent and the story was solid. Its game play saved it for me as i like that style of games for rpgs. So maybe DA4 will be up to DA standards but that is meaningless to me. You know what the thing is with Origins? Like, I understand there were complaints on the BSN from people that it wasn't Baldur's Gate. I get that. Baldur's Gate wasn't Baldur's Gate, until 2. Like, 1 is a great game and one that every time I play it, I'm just amazed and one that I can't believe 2 is better and then I move on to 2 and I'm just blown the fuck away. You take what you make in 1 and you build it up. And that's what I'd expect of DA2, but they decided to take everything in a different direction, from gameplay to writing. I understand they had little time and everything, but the biggest problem was the gameplay. And they've moved even further from that, since then, because Inquisition was criticized, for not going back to Origins style combat. And I don't understand why they'd do that. And to top if all off, you got Pillars of Eternity making bank, Divinity Original Sin, basically Origins spurred a decade of a cRPG renaissance and now you have Larian being a well respected, highly praised developer, when their games are, honestly, not that good. I mean, gameplay, it's everything they should be, but plot, story, characters, all are just not there. You got Spiders contending Bioware straight up for their space and Bioware's segment has shrunk so much, that they basically jumped to something entirely else with Anthem and even then, when it could have been something to jump on to and forever leave the old Bioware behind, but they failed.
I don't understand what they are trying to achieve. I mean, more so than the product itself, you need a market strategy and I don't believe Bioware has one.
Especially with their weird attempt to split the difference with tab to switch to "tactical mode" its 1/2 asses as a action rpg 1/4 assed as a turnish based rpg, whats the plan. What's funny is FF7 remake split the difference far better than they did as the split feels coherent.
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Post by wright1978 on Nov 18, 2021 22:39:01 GMT
i so want a return to glory for BioWare. I am somewhat skeptical about whether they’ve got the bravery and skill to write the world well.
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Post by midnightwolf on Nov 20, 2021 2:40:57 GMT
I truly doubt that the writers of ME and DA are capable of writing anything which even comes close to the beauty which was Dragon age Origins OR Mass effect again.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 24, 2021 0:16:16 GMT
You might be seeing a little increased activity around Mass Effect, possibly DA too during this week in various communities. Forums, discords etc.
I don't know why.
Seems like data collection to me.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 24, 2021 0:56:38 GMT
I truly doubt that any Mass Effect game will ever rival the sheer fun of Dragon Age. It's also probable that we have already seen the best games in the Mass Effect series. What are your thoughts? Sheer fun? I mean I like Dragon Age as much as the next person but playing Dragon Age can be a hard, challenging work With all that happened to Mass Effect, BW just has to know they will either succeed with the next Mass Effect or they will bury the franchise forever. LE was a test and an olive branch for the fanbase and for the most part it worked. Notice how they completely ignored Andromeda during N7 day this year. I think they are gearing up to create something that the old fans will (in their opinion at least) enjoy. But still, it's BW, they can fuck it up somehow Yeah i tcqa nb equiet hard work I find myself losin gstea mtowards theend of the DA games because how long they take t onavigate where as wit hME I d ofind sommetimes I ca nd o2 or eve n3 playthroughs possibly on the bounc ewit hout getting tired or bored with it. Tha tincludes Andromeda as well surprisingly enough
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Post by Spectr61 on Nov 24, 2021 17:32:38 GMT
Sheer fun?
I'll take sheer lingerie on Miranda anytime over DA.
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