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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2022 19:19:46 GMT
genocide? rape? friendly rape? I never encountered any of that. I must have gotten the right ME3 game that have the reapers being destroyed. I guess the genocide means the geth going bye, bye when red travels around the galaxy. Would it have been better to let the reapers remain? But that does happen in the blue and green. I'll bet all the previous cycles wanted the reapers destroyed. They never cared about the green and blue. Then again, did those choices exist before dumb, dumb showed up at the end of ME3? Remember what Hackett said? The workers believe there's enough energy to destroy the reapers. I would also bet the ones who were the creators of the device wanted the reapers destroyed. Look at the protheans. They were going to destroy the reapers, but in comes indoctrination wanting to control the reapers. That's hard to do if the indoctrinated are already controlled. At least that's what dumb, dumb says. Too bad Bioware didn't use Hackett's ending. It's a simple ending. You want a REAL Destroy ending, if we absolutely have to use the literal magic wand? Crucible takes down the Reapers' kinetic barriers. They're still a deadly threat, but they are now glass cannons, vulnerable to our own attacks. The war now becomes a galaxy-wide game of rocket-tag. Now the size of the fleet we amass actually matters, and isn't just an arbitrary number that means absolutely nothing. This would be very good. Would require some sort of literary device that could explain why Shepard was confused at the end of the OT. Nobody has ever thought of one though, definitely not on these forums or the predecessors, definitely not never nope. Could involve Andromeda. That takes a better writer than me, but then I get paid to check which color goes where and then make it so, so geez that shouldn't be too hard.
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Post by damdil on Apr 5, 2022 20:31:09 GMT
What I'm wondering about reading through all these posts is the word "genocide" in combination with the red ending.. Am I missing something here? At least the high war asset red ending only destroys synthetics which mostly mean the Geth, EDI and VIs. All organics, including the tech realiant ones like the Quarians, seem to live through it just fine. So where is the genocide exactly? The Geth are machines after all and to sacrifice them for all organic live is basically a minor trade, isn't it? Having them around with the Reaper upgrades probably wouldn't be to great after all or maybe making the story for our new ME already..
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 5, 2022 21:25:30 GMT
What I'm wondering about reading through all these posts is the word "genocide" in combination with the red ending.. Am I missing something here? At least the high war asset red ending only destroys synthetics which mostly mean the Geth, EDI and VIs. All organics, including the tech realiant ones like the Quarians, seem to live through it just fine. So where is the genocide exactly? The Geth are machines after all and to sacrifice them for all organic live is basically a minor trade, isn't it? Having them around with the Reaper upgrades probably wouldn't be to great after all or maybe making the story for our new ME already.. Because that's exactly what Destroy is. Genocide is an internationally recognized crime where acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. The group in this case being synthetic life, which the games establish are more than just machines. So saying they are just machines is a bigoted viewpoint, the same one used to justify many atrocities in human history since "Well, Group X are subhuman". Then of course there are cases where it would still wipe out organic races, since in the lore there are the Virtual Aliens who were organics who uploaded themselves into machines to survive their planet dying. Heck, even if it just targeted the Reapers it still falls under the UN definition of genocide.
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Post by Vortex13 on Apr 5, 2022 22:56:38 GMT
What I'm wondering about reading through all these posts is the word "genocide" in combination with the red ending.. Am I missing something here? At least the high war asset red ending only destroys synthetics which mostly mean the Geth, EDI and VIs. All organics, including the tech realiant ones like the Quarians, seem to live through it just fine. So where is the genocide exactly? The Geth are machines after all and to sacrifice them for all organic live is basically a minor trade, isn't it? Having them around with the Reaper upgrades probably wouldn't be to great after all or maybe making the story for our new ME already.. Because that's exactly what Destroy is. Genocide is an internationally recognized crime where acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. The group in this case being synthetic life, which the games establish are more than just machines. So saying they are just machines is a bigoted viewpoint, the same one used to justify many atrocities in human history since "Well, Group X are subhuman". Then of course there are cases where it would still wipe out organic races, since in the lore there are the Virtual Aliens who were organics who uploaded themselves into machines to survive their planet dying. Heck, even if it just targeted the Reapers it still falls under the UN definition of genocide. Is it genocide though if they are willing soldiers ready to fight and die in order to stop the Reapers and who, sadly, make the ultimate sacrifice in order to stop the actual genocidal mecha-squids that are intent on killing everyone? It's more the cold calculus of war; which Garrus mentions earlier in the game. Do you let this person or this group or this species die so that the rest might live free of the threat of the Reapers? In that light it's no different than that of a commanding officer sending their forces off to take an enemy objective knowing that there will be causalities. In that scenario the commanding officer is not considered a murderer even if he knows that sending in troops will result in the death of those enlisted men and women.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 5, 2022 23:16:04 GMT
Because that's exactly what Destroy is. Genocide is an internationally recognized crime where acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. The group in this case being synthetic life, which the games establish are more than just machines. So saying they are just machines is a bigoted viewpoint, the same one used to justify many atrocities in human history since "Well, Group X are subhuman". Then of course there are cases where it would still wipe out organic races, since in the lore there are the Virtual Aliens who were organics who uploaded themselves into machines to survive their planet dying. Heck, even if it just targeted the Reapers it still falls under the UN definition of genocide. Is it genocide though if they are willing soldiers ready to fight and die in order to stop the Reapers and who, sadly, make the ultimate sacrifice in order to stop the actual genocidal mecha-squids that are intent on killing everyone? It's more the cold calculus of war; which Garrus mentions earlier in the game. Do you let this person or this group or this species die so that the rest might live free of the threat of the Reapers? In that light it's no different than that of a commanding officer sending their forces off to take an enemy objective knowing that there will be causalities. In that scenario the commanding officer is not considered a murderer even if he knows that sending in troops will result in the death of those enlisted men and women. Yes, it is still genocide. Also how you describe it isn’t what happens. To use an argument against Synthesis on this: you don’t give them a choice, do you?
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Post by themikefest on Apr 5, 2022 23:20:57 GMT
genocide? rape? friendly rape? I never encountered any of that. I must have gotten the right ME3 game that have the reapers being destroyed. I guess the genocide means the geth going bye, bye when red travels around the galaxy. Would it have been better to let the reapers remain? But that does happen in the blue and green. I'll bet all the previous cycles wanted the reapers destroyed. They never cared about the green and blue. Then again, did those choices exist before dumb, dumb showed up at the end of ME3? Remember what Hackett said? The workers believe there's enough energy to destroy the reapers. I would also bet the ones who were the creators of the device wanted the reapers destroyed. Look at the protheans. They were going to destroy the reapers, but in comes indoctrination wanting to control the reapers. That's hard to do if the indoctrinated are already controlled. At least that's what dumb, dumb says. Too bad Bioware didn't use Hackett's ending. It's a simple ending. You want a REAL Destroy ending, if we absolutely have to use the literal magic wand? Crucible takes down the Reapers' kinetic barriers. They're still a deadly threat, but they are now glass cannons, vulnerable to our own attacks. The war now becomes a galaxy-wide game of rocket-tag. Now the size of the fleet we amass actually matters, and isn't just an arbitrary number that means absolutely nothing. You know that won't work, right? Sure the reapers will suffer x number of casualties, but they still win with the numbers they have. A real ending would be the reapers not being defeated at all. They have the numbers. They have the offensive and defensive power. If plot decided to make the reapers smart in ME3, they would have harvested this cycle.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 5, 2022 23:29:35 GMT
You want a REAL Destroy ending, if we absolutely have to use the literal magic wand? Crucible takes down the Reapers' kinetic barriers. They're still a deadly threat, but they are now glass cannons, vulnerable to our own attacks. The war now becomes a galaxy-wide game of rocket-tag. Now the size of the fleet we amass actually matters, and isn't just an arbitrary number that means absolutely nothing. You know that won't work, right? Sure the reapers will suffer x number of casualties, but they still win with the numbers they have. A real ending would be the reapers not being defeated at all. They have the numbers. They have the offensive and defensive power. If plot decided to make the reapers smart in ME3, they would have harvested this cycle. Yeah. In reality the Reapers would have just blitzed the Citadel instead of attacking the Batarians and humans. The galaxy wouldn’t know something was wrong until suddenly all the Mass Relays turned off.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 6, 2022 1:05:53 GMT
Is it genocide though if they are willing soldiers ready to fight and die in order to stop the Reapers and who, sadly, make the ultimate sacrifice in order to stop the actual genocidal mecha-squids that are intent on killing everyone? It's more the cold calculus of war; which Garrus mentions earlier in the game. Do you let this person or this group or this species die so that the rest might live free of the threat of the Reapers? In that light it's no different than that of a commanding officer sending their forces off to take an enemy objective knowing that there will be causalities. In that scenario the commanding officer is not considered a murderer even if he knows that sending in troops will result in the death of those enlisted men and women. Yes, it is still genocide. Also how you describe it isn’t what happens. To use an argument against Synthesis on this: you don’t give them a choice, do you? Okay then synthesis is gang rape.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 6, 2022 1:27:58 GMT
Yes, it is still genocide. Also how you describe it isn’t what happens. To use an argument against Synthesis on this: you don’t give them a choice, do you? Okay then synthesis is gang rape. It doesn't match any definition of that term, so no it's not.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 6, 2022 1:36:18 GMT
You want a REAL Destroy ending, if we absolutely have to use the literal magic wand? Crucible takes down the Reapers' kinetic barriers. They're still a deadly threat, but they are now glass cannons, vulnerable to our own attacks. The war now becomes a galaxy-wide game of rocket-tag. Now the size of the fleet we amass actually matters, and isn't just an arbitrary number that means absolutely nothing. You know that won't work, right? Sure the reapers will suffer x number of casualties, but they still win with the numbers they have. A real ending would be the reapers not being defeated at all. They have the numbers. They have the offensive and defensive power. If plot decided to make the reapers smart in ME3, they would have harvested this cycle. If Reaper numbers alone mattered, Shepard never would have gotten off Earth alive. The Citadel and all the homeworlds would have been blitzed simultaneously, and the whole galaxy would have been smoothied. Given we saw the Normandy virtually oneshot a Sovereign without kinetic barriers, I'd go with the cheesy but cool-looking victory instead.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 6, 2022 2:09:26 GMT
You know that won't work, right? Sure the reapers will suffer x number of casualties, but they still win with the numbers they have. A real ending would be the reapers not being defeated at all. They have the numbers. They have the offensive and defensive power. If plot decided to make the reapers smart in ME3, they would have harvested this cycle. If Reaper numbers alone mattered, Shepard never would have gotten off Earth alive. The Citadel and all the homeworlds would have been blitzed simultaneously, and the whole galaxy would have been smoothied. Given we saw the Normandy virtually oneshot a Sovereign without kinetic barriers, I'd go with the cheesy but cool-looking victory instead. To be fair, Sovereign wasn't one-shotted. Several cruisers and dreadnoughts (assuming at least one since Hackett was there) were unloading on it after its shields went down while the Normandy got into position to deliver the killing blow. We also see a ship of the same class still wreck multiple dreadnoughts while its shields are down and losing parts of itself.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 6, 2022 3:26:13 GMT
If Reaper numbers alone mattered, Shepard never would have gotten off Earth alive. The Citadel and all the homeworlds would have been blitzed simultaneously, and the whole galaxy would have been smoothied. Of course Shepard should never have gotten off Earth. It has been mentioned by me and maybe others why did the destroyer waste it's effort on the shuttles instead of firing at the SR2? The numbers do matter. You have said so yourself before, have you not? Bioware had to make them stupid for the galaxy to have a chance to destroy them. Ah yes, the itsy-bitsy-teenie-weenie Normandy one shot Sovereign crap. Don't forget the ship had help with a fighter on its left and right flank that fired at the reaper as well. The whole fight was crap. There could have been a thousand ships firing at the reaper without damaging the thing. The whole thing was setup for the SR1 accompanied by 2 fighters to take down the reaper. Even after it's shields were down, the ships weren't causing any damage. It was crap that's all it was. Look at ME3. Remember the Alliance ship fire 2 shots blowing off two legs of the reaper? Why didn't that happen in ME1?
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Post by Bann Duncan on Apr 6, 2022 3:52:36 GMT
You want a REAL Destroy ending, if we absolutely have to use the literal magic wand? Crucible takes down the Reapers' kinetic barriers. They're still a deadly threat, but they are now glass cannons, vulnerable to our own attacks. The war now becomes a galaxy-wide game of rocket-tag. Now the size of the fleet we amass actually matters, and isn't just an arbitrary number that means absolutely nothing. You know that won't work, right? Sure the reapers will suffer x number of casualties, but they still win with the numbers they have. A real ending would be the reapers not being defeated at all. They have the numbers. They have the offensive and defensive power. If plot decided to make the reapers smart in ME3, they would have harvested this cycle. Synthesis is the harvest to end all harvests.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 6, 2022 6:26:53 GMT
You want a REAL Destroy ending, if we absolutely have to use the literal magic wand? Crucible takes down the Reapers' kinetic barriers. They're still a deadly threat, but they are now glass cannons, vulnerable to our own attacks. The war now becomes a galaxy-wide game of rocket-tag. Now the size of the fleet we amass actually matters, and isn't just an arbitrary number that means absolutely nothing. You know that won't work, right? Sure the reapers will suffer x number of casualties, but they still win with the numbers they have. A real ending would be the reapers not being defeated at all. They have the numbers. They have the offensive and defensive power. If plot decided to make the reapers smart in ME3, they would have harvested this cycle. Well, everyone in ME does get slapped across the head with the Stupid Stick so that Shep has something to do. Otherwise Shep wouldn't be as important if everyone used their heads.
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Post by hulluliini on Apr 6, 2022 6:46:37 GMT
Oh I know what they should do - a new UNIVERSE! Liara has discovered (because she is a SCIENTIST and so BLUE) a way to travel between universes! Then it won't be boring like MW or Andromeda! You don't see the irony here? Or are you agreeing with me? *In EDI's voice* That was a joke. (Just to make sure, I'm not sure if you're also joking with the irony question.) I think Bioware's main problem is that they are probably not personally that attached to any individual characters or lore and would love to create something really novel, with just enough of the same old stuff like the world and how things work, what kind of history there is, to still keep it ME but without any strings attached. But for so many fans, having all new characters and all new planets and all new clusters and all new galaxy is disappointing because they want nostalgia. I get it, I do enjoy that stuff, but I think ultimately I much prefer having new exciting stuff. Andromeda was disappointing to me whenever it stuck too close to home because my expectation was that it would blow my mind with cool new aliens and cool new environments and cool new ideas - not the MW politics and history dragged over to a new galaxy. I'm putting my faith on Karpyshyn's and Hudson's new IPs to satisfy this craving for new things. I expect MWC to be like comfort food.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2022 10:08:50 GMT
Well, we agree.
As far as Casey's new studio goes... I will buy anything from that studio on sale only, even if it has rave reviews. Burned hand has learned well, still bears scars. If that hurts the chances of his company, so be it. I find him to be very challenging to like.
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Post by trinity0 on Apr 6, 2022 10:13:13 GMT
Speaking about old Bioware.
Does anyone know what the two Bioware founders Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk do at the moment?
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Post by hulluliini on Apr 6, 2022 10:50:27 GMT
Speaking about old Bioware. Does anyone know what the two Bioware founders Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk do at the moment? Both have retired from the video game industry.
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Post by damdil on Apr 6, 2022 12:52:57 GMT
Because that's exactly what Destroy is. Genocide is an internationally recognized crime where acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. The group in this case being synthetic life, which the games establish are more than just machines. So saying they are just machines is a bigoted viewpoint, the same one used to justify many atrocities in human history since "Well, Group X are subhuman". Then of course there are cases where it would still wipe out organic races, since in the lore there are the Virtual Aliens who were organics who uploaded themselves into machines to survive their planet dying. Heck, even if it just targeted the Reapers it still falls under the UN definition of genocide.
So I looked up the definition on Wikipedia and using it on a fictional universe comes with some problems. The definition you're talking about here is, naturally, about all of mankind. So there is no need to further appoint the ethnic, national etc groups since they're are logically all human and therefore equal. Just transcribing this definition to the Geth or maybe even organic alien life in general seems not that easily done, atleast for me.
Second, for the definition you are refering to the actual intent is also central. To put it short: Shep doesn't go for the destroy path with the malicious intent to destroy all non-organics. He does it to save the galaxy from the Reaper threat so if you want to put a definition on all of this, collateral damage is a lot closer to the truth. And even with all the adulation (I hope thats a real word lol) going on towards the Geth in ME3 it's probably not that smart to want them around after the Reaper war in the first place.
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You're talking about an important aspect here imo and something Bioware done wrong over and over again in the last years with the exception of the MET. Though our opinions seem to differ a bit.
For whatever reason they came up with a new character cast for most the sequels (all the Dragon Age games, Andromeda). And by this, they somewhat knowlingly cut short what makes BW games so special. All of them have fun "blockbuster" stories which are not too original by themselves with the staggering amount of fridge logic which naturally comes with such stories. With the exclusion of ME 1, the gameplay is good but not outstanding. The special flavour on top of this always was the crew and party aspect. With the MET they took the right course to have a continious story going on for the same character cast which is easily the reason why it's holding such a special place in the heart of the gaming community (also proven with the huge amount of sales from the LE compared to Andromeda).
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Post by Vortex13 on Apr 6, 2022 13:07:36 GMT
Is it genocide though if they are willing soldiers ready to fight and die in order to stop the Reapers and who, sadly, make the ultimate sacrifice in order to stop the actual genocidal mecha-squids that are intent on killing everyone? It's more the cold calculus of war; which Garrus mentions earlier in the game. Do you let this person or this group or this species die so that the rest might live free of the threat of the Reapers? In that light it's no different than that of a commanding officer sending their forces off to take an enemy objective knowing that there will be causalities. In that scenario the commanding officer is not considered a murderer even if he knows that sending in troops will result in the death of those enlisted men and women. Yes, it is still genocide. Also how you describe it isn’t what happens. To use an argument against Synthesis on this: you don’t give them a choice, do you? EDI will say to Shepard in no uncertain terms that she is willing to fight & die to see the Reapers destroyed and the Geth say they would much rather die free than live as servants of the Old Machines. Both of those statements make it rather clear that dying in the process of destroying the Reapers is a possibility that both find acceptable should it come down to it. Indeed, if Shepard goes with Refuse, then both EDI and the Geth go down with the organics fighting the Reapers proving that they are wholly invested in their "fight or die" declarations. It's regrettable that Destroy kills them, but let's not assume that picking it is some grave betrayal of synthetic life that is tantamount to genocide when they themselves have said that death is preferable to the alternative of the Reapers still existing. Now Control and Synthesis on the other hand, not one person; organic or synthetic; (who wasn't already fully indoctrinated) has said that they would like to see the Reapers patrolling the galaxy enacting martial law, nor have they been agreeable to becoming a high functioning Reaper husk. If one is going to talk of betraying the wishes of others, or making a choice without others' consent, it's both the Blue and Green endings that go down that path.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 6, 2022 13:13:50 GMT
If Reaper numbers alone mattered, Shepard never would have gotten off Earth alive. The Citadel and all the homeworlds would have been blitzed simultaneously, and the whole galaxy would have been smoothied. Of course Shepard should never have gotten off Earth. It has been mentioned by me and maybe others why did the destroyer waste it's effort on the shuttles instead of firing at the SR2? The numbers do matter. You have said so yourself before, have you not? Bioware had to make them stupid for the galaxy to have a chance to destroy them. Ah yes, the itsy-bitsy-teenie-weenie Normandy one shot Sovereign crap. Don't forget the ship had help with a fighter on its left and right flank that fired at the reaper as well. The whole fight was crap. There could have been a thousand ships firing at the reaper without damaging the thing. The whole thing was setup for the SR1 accompanied by 2 fighters to take down the reaper. Even after it's shields were down, the ships weren't causing any damage. It was crap that's all it was. Look at ME3. Remember the Alliance ship fire 2 shots blowing off two legs of the reaper? Why didn't that happen in ME1? Indeed, I agree with all of this. But the point was if we HAD to use the Literal Giant Space Wand. If we wanted an ending that made sense, we'd have to completely remake ME3 from the ground up. And probably a big chunk of ME2 since that game was one huge side quest rather than, you know TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO STOP THE REAPERS! So by the tie of the third game (the best place to start!) so much time had been wasted and the Reapers built up to such an absurd power level that space magic and Reaper stupidity were the only answer left. So, if we HAVE to embrace that, why not have fun with it?
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Post by Iakus on Apr 6, 2022 13:17:35 GMT
Yes, it is still genocide. Also how you describe it isn’t what happens. To use an argument against Synthesis on this: you don’t give them a choice, do you? EDI will say to Shepard in no uncertain terms that she is willing to fight & die to see the Reapers destroyed and the Geth say they would much rather die free than live as servants of the Old Machines. Both of those statements make it rather clear that dying in the process of destroying the Reapers is a possibility that both find acceptable should it come down to it. Indeed, if Shepard goes with Refuse, then both EDI and the Geth go down with the organics fighting the Reapers proving that they are wholly invested in their "fight or die" declarations. It's regrettable that Destroy kills them, but let's not assume that picking it is some grave betrayal of synthetic life that is tantamount to genocide when they themselves have said that death is preferable to the alternative of the Reapers still existing. The entire Rannoch arc demonstrates this is not true.
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Post by Vortex13 on Apr 6, 2022 13:26:47 GMT
EDI will say to Shepard in no uncertain terms that she is willing to fight & die to see the Reapers destroyed and the Geth say they would much rather die free than live as servants of the Old Machines. Both of those statements make it rather clear that dying in the process of destroying the Reapers is a possibility that both find acceptable should it come down to it. Indeed, if Shepard goes with Refuse, then both EDI and the Geth go down with the organics fighting the Reapers proving that they are wholly invested in their "fight or die" declarations. It's regrettable that Destroy kills them, but let's not assume that picking it is some grave betrayal of synthetic life that is tantamount to genocide when they themselves have said that death is preferable to the alternative of the Reapers still existing. The entire Rannoch arc demonstrates this is not true. But after the Rannoch arc they do change their view on that. The Geth Prime you speak to at the FOB says that the Reapers came to the Geth with the same offer and that they were refused. So, at that point, the Geth are very much willing to die to see the Reaper threat removed. And seeing as how Refuse results in the Geth being wiped out like all the other species of the that cycle then it's obvious they didn't have a change of heart from that point moving forward.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 6, 2022 13:38:25 GMT
The entire Rannoch arc demonstrates this is not true. But after the Rannoch arc they do change their view on that. The Geth Prime you speak to at the FOB says that the Reapers came to the Geth with the same offer and that they were refused. So, at that point, the Geth are very much willing to die to see the Reaper threat removed. And seeing as how Refuse results in the Geth being wiped out like all the other species of the that cycle then it's obvious they didn't have a change of heart from that point moving forward. Until they change their minds again. Keep in mind the geth also initially refused to work with Nazara, before deciding submission might in fact be preferable to extinction. And Refuse is nothing but Bioware trolling their detractors before flipping the table.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 6, 2022 13:47:29 GMT
Indeed, I agree with all of this. But the point was if we HAD to use the Literal Giant Space Wand. If we wanted an ending that made sense, we'd have to completely remake ME3 from the ground up. And probably a big chunk of ME2 since that game was one huge side quest rather than, you know TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO STOP THE REAPERS! So by the tie of the third game (the best place to start!) so much time had been wasted and the Reapers built up to such an absurd power level that space magic and Reaper stupidity were the only answer left. If there's to be any remaking going to happen, I would start with ME1. The other way is to have ME2 being the first game. Here's what I posted how that could happen. I have posted a number of times remaking ME3 since the current ME3 was made for people who never played ME1/2. Remake, or rather make ME3 for the people who played the first two game first. Fun? As the SR2 approaches Earth, Shepard is seen standing on top of the ship. Surveying the area, she/he rips off their armor revealing red and blue underwear with the initials SS. Super Shepard. In a blink of an eye, SS is seen flying through the reapers destroying them. Then SS flies all over Earth using the super freeze breath to freeze all the uglies. Once done, SS heads to all areas in the rest of the galaxy to repeat.
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