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Post by Iddy on Feb 27, 2022 18:53:54 GMT
I'm sure they would proceed to turn all other old gods into archdemons, but what then? Just a bunch of darkspawn aimlessly wandering the land for all eternity? If so, that's kinda underwhelming.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Feb 28, 2022 16:44:08 GMT
First we have destruction, death galore, poisoned land. Anyone not infected will either be soon or (if female) be turned into a broodmother. Eventually they'd have no new blood...and we'd have a Thedas with darkspawn wandering about aimlessly until they succumb to...whatever other natural disaster Thedas throws at them If there's one thing we can learn about the real world, it's that nature at one point strikes back to reclaim what was theirs...it'll take a long very, very long time for Thedas to do so when the darkspawn were to win though, so let's hope they don't
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Post by Noxluxe on Mar 7, 2022 22:09:26 GMT
Theoretically, an... uh... post-war surge in the population of broodmothers... a darkspawn baby boom if you will... would amount to a manyfold increase in the likelihood of exceptional darkspawn like the Architect to come into existence over any given span of time. And going by the Architect alone, it wouldn't actually take that many generations for those to start accumulating power and numbers and awakening others and begin redirecting the future of their species. So in the end it might be just be the dawn of the Age of Sentient Darkspawn, whatever that would ultimately look like. Of course, that's assuming that the active Archdemons would be satisfied with their minions wandering the land as you say, and wouldn't just start urging them toward some new, as-of-yet-unknownable purpose once they've maximized their territory and the growth of their forces. Space travel, maybe? Also, we know that the Taint has curious and dramatic effects on both flora and fauna, and that the Deep Roads are full of this weird pink organic tissue that seems to grow wherever the darkspawn have congregated for long enough. Maybe the eco-system would start to look different in weird and unexpected ways after a few decades or centuries of unchecked Taint ravaging the land?
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Post by necrowaif on Mar 8, 2022 8:01:31 GMT
It’s kind of hard to say what would happen after the darkspawn conquered Thedas because there’s a lot we don’t know about the true nature of the Blight. Oh, we know with certainty that the first darkspawn were the corrupted magisters, but what about the corrupting force that transformed them? Was it created when they entered the Golden City, or was it always there, lying in wait? And do the Old Gods intentionally call out to the darkspawn?
Certainly life as we know it would end, but I find it interesting that the varieties of darkspawn mirror that of the humanoid races occupying Thedas, as though they were intended as replacements. Maybe the end goal of the Blight is to transform this world into an environment capable of supporting another form of life.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 8, 2022 20:53:06 GMT
Oh, we know with certainty that the first darkspawn were the corrupted magisters, Actually we don't. For all we know darkspawn could have existed before Corypheus and Co. Just as they discovered the Darkness in the Fade City, it is equally possible that their actions released the seals on the darkspawn prison in the lower Deep Roads as well as that of the Arch-demon Dumat. This would account for how quickly the darkspawn spread across the Deep Roads and overwhelmed the dwarves, which was extraordinarily quickly from just an initial group of 7. I'm sure they would proceed to turn all other old gods into archdemons, but what then? Just a bunch of darkspawn aimlessly wandering the land for all eternity? If so, that's kinda underwhelming. Well, assuming this occurred because the last Arch-demon had arisen, so there was nothing to keep the darkspawn down in the Deep Roads, when everything had been tainted, may be they would just turn on each other. Maybe the end goal of the Blight is to transform this world into an environment capable of supporting another form of life. Or would the Blight end up with either a dead wasteland or alternatively, there would eventually be nothing left for the Blight to feed on and it would destroy itself? Then the Maker would think "job done", wipe the slate clean and begin again.
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Post by Noxluxe on Mar 8, 2022 22:38:16 GMT
Certainly life as we know it would end, but I find it interesting that the varieties of darkspawn mirror that of the humanoid races occupying Thedas, as though they were intended as replacements. Maybe the end goal of the Blight is to transform this world into an environment capable of supporting another form of life. Aren't they just reflective of the races of the broodmothers that spawn them? The one originally from Branka's newly-minted clan only breeds Genlocks if I remember right, and the Mother spawns Hurlocks. And it makes sense for Ogres to be comparatively rare, since the Qunari have had barely any contact with the Darkspawn and even then only over the last few hundred years or so, and don't sport a lot of women on the frontlines or tend to allow themselves to be captured alive in any case. We've seen darkspawn animals too, though I've never thought to look up if a Bereskarn or a Dire Wolf are essentially just ghouls or if they come from a breeding ground of some kind... Edit: Oh, and... uh... happy International Women's Day, everybody. The idea that the Blight is an earnest attempt to create or perfect or facilitate life that went way out of control or just manifests in ways that happen to offend our modern Thedasian sensibilities would certainly track with the supposed values and methodologies of one or two Evanuris, though.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 8, 2022 22:41:42 GMT
We've seen darkspawn animals too, though I've never thought to look up if a Bereskarn or a Dire Wolf are essentially just ghouls or if they come from a breeding ground of some kind... They're ghouls.
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Post by necrowaif on Mar 8, 2022 22:58:08 GMT
Aren't they just reflective of the races of the broodmothers that spawn them? Yes. And why do the darkspawn breed using females of the four mortal races? Is that an accident, or is it intentional design? (In the context of the lore, I mean. Obviously everything was intentionally designed by the developers.) They’re just ghouls, thankfully. Also, I wouldn’t bank on the Blight being created by the Evanuris. There’s a connection there, but I think it’s more to it.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 9, 2022 11:08:00 GMT
And it makes sense for Ogres to be comparatively rare, since the Qunari have had barely any contact with the Darkspawn and even then only over the last few hundred years or so, and don't sport a lot of women on the frontlines or tend to allow themselves to be captured alive in any case. Ogres were in existence before the Qunari came to Thedas. It has been speculated (in world) that they resulted from a group of Kossith that landed on the coast of what is now south-eastern Ferelden, not far from where Gwaren now is. There was also a major entrance to the Deep Roads near there, from the time when the dwarves were regularly trading with the surface races. So it was vulnerable to attack from surfacing darkspawn and it was assumed they wiped out the Kossith settlement during the First Blight, capturing any females that became the first ogres. So it is true that ogres are rarer than others because of the smaller initial seed population but since a single broodmother can produce hundreds of offspring, they are still numerous enough to be a problem. That said, it is rather curious to me that there was allegedly a mix of different darkspawn from the beginning of the First Blight, which started in the Deep Roads, if they only started to surface with the Arch-demon. Surely the initial population should have been a mix of hurlocks and genlocks, with shrieks and ogres only being added after they had been on the surface for a while? However, if there had always been darkspawn from ancient times, that were sealed away in the lower Deep Roads until the Magisters broke it, then that would explain the full range of darkspawn types. It might also mean that the ogres did not originate from that isolated group of Kossith but from a much earlier group that was around at the time of the ancient elves. It would also explain why ogres were found across Thedas, when you would think they would largely be confined to the south if they originated with that group of Kossith. The presence of the tainted idol in the ancient thaig, that pre-dated the Memories, let alone the First Blight, suggests that red lyrium and thus the Blight was around from a much earlier date than we had been led to believe and, thus, presumably darkspawn were as well.
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Post by adonniel on Mar 9, 2022 16:52:36 GMT
In the Awakening we have a glimpse of the various darkspawn factions. We also have glimpses of darkspawn capable of their own sentient thought separate of what AD or their bosses want. I imagine all of those factions will emerge and start fighting one another.
Secondly, Red Lyrium 'faction' as I might call it aren't darkspawn - at least I don't think they are? These are corrupted humanoid races who might have no intention of joining darkspawn, providing turning into red lyrium mutant also protects you from the taint. They might also survive and wander the land or form their own group.
Thirdly, we have the faction of spirits and abominations that are immune to the taint as well. They are not darkspawn either and may have their own agenda.
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Post by Noxluxe on Mar 9, 2022 19:31:46 GMT
Yes. And why do the darkspawn breed using females of the four mortal races? Is that an accident, or is it intentional design? (In the context of the lore, I mean. Obviously everything was intentionally designed by the developers.) Because the 'darkspawn' aspect of the taint corruption were either designed for or evolved in humanoids in general? I guess it's possible that the infection/curse was designed for those four in particular, but since we don't have a fifth sentient mortal species with roughly the same biology that aren't similarly affected because they weren't populous at the same time as the others or something I don't see that there's much reason to think so? The presence of the tainted idol in the ancient thaig, that pre-dated the Memories, let alone the First Blight, suggests that red lyrium and thus the Blight was around from a much earlier date than we had been led to believe and, thus, presumably darkspawn were as well. That sounds like a leap too. The darkspawn coming along and infecting the Red Lyrium in places like the lost Thaig after the fact seems like a much simpler explanation.
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Post by necrowaif on Mar 9, 2022 20:19:33 GMT
I agree with Gervaise21 about the power of the Blight being extremely ancient and somehow tied to the Old Gods, though in a way we don't understand yet. I also believe the Evanuris tried to tap into that extremely dangerous power, which is why Solas ultimately sealed them away.
However, I disagree with Gervaise21 about the first darkspawn. They weren't just chilling out in some forgotten corner of the Deep Roads until the magisters just "happened" to enter the Golden City; they just didn't exist prior to then. All modern darkspawn are "descendants" of the Seven.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 12, 2022 14:06:58 GMT
That sounds like a leap too. The darkspawn coming along and infecting the Red Lyrium in places like the lost Thaig after the fact seems like a much simpler explanation. I'm pretty sure the idol was constructed from red lyrium, not that it was simply infected at a later date. Also, so far as I can recall there weren't any darkspawn in the ancient thaig. All modern darkspawn are "descendants" of the Seven. This does create a problem, which was referred to in the Core Rule Book but has not really been brought up in any source book since. Firstly, were any of the Magisters female? Otherwise, they would have to have raided the surface to acquire females before they could start to breed. Secondly, according to the Chant they were drawn immediately to the Old God Dumat, tainted him and then the Blight began. Except if they were focused on finding Dumat, then when did they find time to raid the surface and breed? If only 7 found him, how did they break in and how come the Blight started almost immediately with hordes of darkspawn overrunning the dwarven thaigs? Admittedly, the timeline in WoT does seem to allow some 15 years for this to occur but it still seems a bit of a stretch from a starting point of zero darkspawn, other than the Magisters, to thousands spread across the entirety of the Deep Roads The fact is the whole idea of the 7 Magisters giving rise to the darkspawn comes from the Chant of Light and in particular the dissonant verses in the Canticle of Silence, which was written by Hessarian. It also seems odd that whilst Corypheus admits to discovering the Darkness, he doesn't seem to identify with the darkspawn at all or have any use for them and they largely seem to ignore him once he is free of the Warden prison. The Architect seems to acknowledge kinship through the taint but has no memory of why that should be. If the 7 were hellbent on conquering the world with the Blight, they don't seem to have made effective use of the darkspawn down the years and the darkspawn seem wholly focused on the Old Gods. I must admit to wondering what happened to the other 5 Magisters. Allegedly one of them was eaten by another, according to the story of the dwarf, and the one doing the eating seemed to have gone crazy but that still leaves 3 unaccounted for. I suppose one or more of these could be the proto-broodmother but it is a mystery.
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Post by DragonEffect on Mar 13, 2022 5:09:06 GMT
The darkspawn are controlled by the taint. IMO their goal is to contaminate the dragons that guard the passage to the eluvians located underground which allow access to the Black City. Once the dragon becomes their thrall, the path is clear for anyone under the taint's power to find the key, enter the eluvian and free whatever's trapped in there. Possibly the Evanuris, but who knows.
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Post by Quickpaw on Mar 21, 2022 4:26:36 GMT
It's proven in Dwarven lore that Darkspawn and the Blight(tm) predate the Magisters and their entry into the Black City, especially since the Blight seems at this moment in the series' development to originate from dead Titans. Red Lyrium is Blighted, as happens when a Titan dies.
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