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Post by Ravenfeeder on Apr 13, 2022 21:47:24 GMT
I know nothing of the Halo franchise but generally I'm happy for adaptations to be just that. Adaptations. Not following the plot/world/characters of the original media perfectly, but getting the right tone.
What I can't forgive Halo for is not being very good. The writing is not great and the acting and/or direction wooden. Only Natasha McElhone is showing any talent.
I hope any Mass Effect series does a lot better even if it doesn't match my interpretation of the games.
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Post by smilesja on Apr 14, 2022 2:00:59 GMT
I found the acting in Halo show okay, like I said in the last page not great but fine.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 14, 2022 12:59:07 GMT
The Halo series is actually an interesting study on how it might all work out if there was an ME show. I watche the forst 3 episodes of Halo and while I have played about half the games in the Master Chief Collection, I wouldn't call myself a massive Halo fan, more like someone who is mildly interested in the franchise. As such, I personally like the series quite a bit. Yes, it's a kind of reboot (or alternate timeline or whatever) of the Halo franchise but seen on its own merits, the show so far is not bad and I do get a lot of the changes they made. IMO, having Master Chief as this faceless character worked well in the shooter games because a lot of the actually time you spend in the game and a lot of your enjoyment hinges on the gameplay, which is action/shooter passages in which you move from point A to point B. The actual story of the thing is then told in rather short concise cutscenes that are packed with exposition or characterization. The kind of pacing and dynamic that works for the game would probably not work as well for a tv show where you are supposed to watch for an hour or more (if you binge) straight. YYou can't make it all action and movement, it needs to shift into a more character driven story. Therefore, inventing this whole new arc about Chief coping with the repercussions of the alien artifact, rediscovering his humanity to some extent and struggling with these newfound feeling vs. his conditioning was probably a decent move and so far I thinik they are also doing a pretty decent job executing it. I am actually surprised they were bold enough to really only have one single Halo-like action scene in the very beginning and then really slowing it down and focusing on the characters for 2 1/2 entire episodes with barely any action thrown in. I also understand why - in that context - they really wanted to get MC out of the helmet (and the suit as it were), it's just more engaging for the viewer for that plot arc if you really see the character. However, I also absolutely understand why die hard Halo fans are upset. After all, this is not their Halo. It's got barely anything to do with the established lore and plot that they fell in love with so if you - as a fan - were hoping for an addition to the existing lore and stories, just in a another medium, you must have been in for a shock. I honestly, I understand the "hate" and the "this is not master Chief" and the "they are messing with the franchise" attitudes. After all, if someone made a Mass Effect show - a franchise I really do care about - with such changed characters (say a shady or evil Admiral Anderson and a Commander Shepard that starts out as completely incompetent or whatever), I'd be just as upset even if the actual premise of the show was decent in and of itself. And this is where I think the Halo series went the wrong way (and thus also where I am hoping any potential creators of a future ME show will pay attention): IMO The big mistake of the Halo show was to use the main character from the game John 117 Master Chief as the main character of the show while changing him. If they had just used another Spartan, they might have been able to tell this story without going so clearly against established canon from the games. They might have lost a little bit of brand recogniition but I think it would have been minimla and the acceptance with the fanbase would have been much better. So if they ever make an ME show, I hope they just make one in the ME universe, so we get all the cool ships and suits and aliens and all the N7 stuff, etc. but do tell new stories with new characters and their own identity. The ME universe is certainly broad enough to accommodate this. Supporting characters like Hackett, Anderson, etc. could certainly have cameo appearances and there could (and should) be all the familiar elements but the stories itself should stand on their own. That way, the author would have enough freedom to do their own thing, which they will probably need to do anyway because of the different medium (see above) but we can still get all the coolness of the franchise anyway. Best of both worlds, if you will. I kinda hope that it does happen, so that ME fans knows what it feels like when someone butchers something that they liked over the years. It maybe cruel, but seeing the posts in this thread kinda wants me to see it happen.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 14, 2022 20:50:32 GMT
An article I read suggested this Halo series takes place in a different reality and the Master Chief takes a different path from our Halo universe. As such, the writers take a different direction. I don't see this a a problem.... I am a fan of the Halo stories btw.
It's amusing to read that some fans go ballistic because the series diverge from the "lore" somewhat. The master Chief takes off his helmet. Wow, such a commotion. They forget it's a TV adaptation. By it's very nature, some changes are necessary. Really, these guys ought to chill and smoke something.
Also, ther's much in common with our Halo.... ie: Spartans exist and are badass, the Covenat's goals remains the same.. find the RING world and they are very wary of the "Demon". Artistically, I find the CGI elements to be faithful to the original art/chars. What's the fuss? The acting? Funny, I find everyone stays true to the character they portray.
Plus, Cortana's creation is interesting as is her primary directive. It adds a different dimension to the trio of Dr. Halsey, Cortana and the Chief and we also see a different side of Dr. Halsey.. ie: manipulative and one that let's nothing stand in her way to achieve her vision on how to win the war. .
So far, I like the series.
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Post by smilesja on Apr 15, 2022 18:47:47 GMT
In the books, Chief takes his helmet off fairly often it's just that the descriptions of him with his face are pretty vague.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 15, 2022 18:57:35 GMT
After seeing Sonic The Hedgehog 2 in theaters yesterday, that is how you do an adaptation compared to the insult the Halo series is. It is its own story and all the other pros the defenders say are important, but all the characters are without question respecting the ones they are based off of and it respects the franchise it is using.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 15, 2022 20:35:19 GMT
In the books, Chief takes his helmet off fairly often it's just that the descriptions of him with his face are pretty vague. That TV show has many other major problems then something as minor as that.
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Post by Bann Duncan on Apr 16, 2022 5:13:00 GMT
After seeing Sonic The Hedgehog 2 in theaters yesterday, that is how you do an adaptation compared to the insult the Halo series is. It is its own story and all the other pros the defenders say are important, but all the characters are without question respecting the ones they are based off of and it respects the franchise it is using. Sounds like white supremacist talk to me!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2022 15:31:08 GMT
I kinda hope that it does happen, so that ME fans knows what it feels like when someone butchers something that they liked over the years. It maybe cruel, but seeing the posts in this thread kinda wants me to see it happen. This is a really strange post. Most Mass Effect fans had the experience you describe twice already. Once with ME3 ending, again with Andromeda release and subsequent lack of DLC. Your desire for cruelty is seriously fucked up dude.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Apr 23, 2022 16:49:36 GMT
I kinda hope that it does happen, so that ME fans knows what it feels like when someone butchers something that they liked over the years. It maybe cruel, but seeing the posts in this thread kinda wants me to see it happen. This is a really strange post. Most Mass Effect fans had the experience you describe twice already. Once with ME3 ending, again with Andromeda release and subsequent lack of DLC. Your desire for cruelty is seriously fucked up dude. I'm talking about games that turned into movies that end up being butchered by hacks. And I didn't say I desired it, I said it maybe cruel.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 24, 2022 1:36:14 GMT
This is a really strange post. Most Mass Effect fans had the experience you describe twice already. Once with ME3 ending, again with Andromeda release and subsequent lack of DLC. Your desire for cruelty is seriously fucked up dude. Don't be that guy who psychoanalyzes people. We've got one right now and there's another who pops in occasionally. Their issue is always around people who only pick Destroy and dislike Synthesis. It's a game, people want certain things and they want to prove a point about what they do and don't want. It's not the end of the world. Unless you think the poster has some ability to sway the outcome of the other game-turned-TV series. Otherwise, let it go. This post alone wouldn't have meant anything but I saw your response to themikefest. You told him to "rehumanize" himself. That the psychoanalysis that no one around here wants. It's a game and gamers like to have fun and play the games how they like. When you try to translate it into RL behavior then you've already failed. Post about what you like or don't like about the game or what you hope for future games. Don't turn into the people that makes personal attacks due to disliking how others play. Right now you're borderline in the way you're saying things to others.
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Post by Guardian on Apr 24, 2022 4:41:30 GMT
This is a really strange post. Most Mass Effect fans had the experience you describe twice already. Once with ME3 ending, again with Andromeda release and subsequent lack of DLC. Your desire for cruelty is seriously fucked up dude. Don't be that guy who psychoanalyzes people. We've got one right now and there's another who pops in occasionally. Their issue is always around people who only pick Destroy and dislike Synthesis. It's a game, people want certain things and they want to prove a point about what they do and don't want. It's not the end of the world. Unless you think the poster has some ability to sway the outcome of the other game-turned-TV series. Otherwise, let it go. This post alone wouldn't have meant anything but I saw your response to themikefest . You told him to "rehumanize" himself. That the psychoanalysis that no one around here wants. It's a game and gamers like to have fun and play the games how they like. When you try to translate it into RL behavior then you've already failed. Post about what you like or don't like about the game or what you hope for future games. Don't turn into the people that makes personal attacks due to disliking how others play. Right now you're borderline in the way you're saying things to others.
I agree with dmc1001.
We have a couple of "loud voices" that come on and belittle and degrade others trying to prove some sort of point about how they're correct and everyone that disagrees with them is wrong. It's a game. None of it is real and has no bearing on real life. A lot of us may not agree on certain things in the series, but most at least are willing to be civil when talking about it. This place could be less toxic I feel by avoiding adding to the "loud voices".
And just to keep it on topic for this thread - as Hanako said, Sonic is the correct way to handle and respect a franchise. From what I've heard from my friends/family that play Halo religiously, they want nothing to do with the show. So, anything regarding a Mass Effect show should follow the example Sonic and to an extent The Witcher are doing, not what Halo is doing.
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Post by trinity0 on Apr 24, 2022 11:00:23 GMT
I think Shepard should not be involved in the show. If Shepard is involved they have to choose the gender, the look and the personality. That would piss off many hard core fans who have a different Shepard in mind.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 24, 2022 21:14:07 GMT
I think Shepard should not be involved in the show. If Shepard is involved they have to choose the gender, the look and the personality. That would piss off many hard core fans who has a different Shepard in mind. 100% in agreement. I don't want anything that will smack of canon. My version will never hit the screen. If they want an ME series, either set it prior to the MET, set it during the events of ME1 (not much to screw up) with other characters or set it so far in the future that probably anything other than Refuse would be irrelevant. I love Shepard but this wouldn't work for me.
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Post by Bann Duncan on Apr 25, 2022 7:14:17 GMT
So, anything regarding a Mass Effect show should follow the example Sonic and to an extent The Witcher are doing, not what Halo is doing. Absolutely not. The Witcher show takes a book series with incredibly nuanced characters and a richly developed world and turns into into horny twelve year old's grimdark fantasy with a side dish of porn.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 28, 2022 18:02:11 GMT
I think Shepard should not be involved in the show. If Shepard is involved they have to choose the gender, the look and the personality. That would piss off many hard core fans who has a different Shepard in mind. 100% in agreement. I don't want anything that will smack of canon. My version will never hit the screen. If they want an ME series, either set it prior to the MET, set it during the events of ME1 (not much to screw up) with other characters or set it so far in the future that probably anything other than Refuse would be irrelevant. I love Shepard but this wouldn't work for me. Yeah, I'd want them to do it like some of the spin off games Ive suggested over the years when trying to avoid a ME 5. Something like it follows a PI on omega, or a smuggler on illium, or a merc unit.
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Post by winterking on May 19, 2022 14:27:56 GMT
I don't exactly have much hopes, but my idea, it would have to be a TV series. Movies are too limited.
And I would prefer it if it started with the discovery of the Martian ruins, the discovery of the Sol relay, the first efforts at colonization and the First Contact War.
It could follow David Anderson and maybe a young Illusive Man. I don't mind if they introduced Shepard later.
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Post by AnDromedary on May 19, 2022 17:33:30 GMT
I don't exactly have much hopes, but my idea, it would have to be a TV series. Movies are too limited. And I would prefer it if it started with the discovery of the Martian ruins, the discovery of the Sol relay, the first efforts at colonization and the First Contact War. It could follow David Anderson and maybe a young Illusive Man. I don't mind if they introduced Shepard later.
Another advantage of a series that starts around the time of the first contact war is that you don't need to throw in a lot of cumbersome exposition, which will be redundant for fans of the franchise but necessary for newcomers (which a show would certainly want to attract). If the characters themselves are only just now discovering the universe for the first time and the story itself is about them learning about alien races and the greater galactic community in the ME universe, exposition will come naturally with the plot and it will be enjoyable for the audience, no matter if they are new or already familiar with ME.
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Post by mannyray on May 22, 2022 0:16:22 GMT
Adapting Mass Effect for a TV-14 streaming series could provide a unique opportunity. It's apparent there's a lot of Babylon 5 entrenched in Mass Effect's DNA. This could be pitched as revisting Babylon 5 without doing an unoriginal pointless remake. Mass Effect provides an opportunity to explore the same themes from a different angle without just ripping off stuff like the remakes of Robocop and Total Recall, for example.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 22, 2022 0:48:26 GMT
Wow, reading some of the Halo show comments in this thread after seeing just how much Season 1ended up sucking is surreal.
Again, please, if a Mass Effect show is made be absolutely nothing like that complete insult of a show.
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Post by General Mahad on May 24, 2022 16:05:13 GMT
Wow, reading some of the Halo show comments in this thread after seeing just how much Season 1ended up sucking is surreal. Again, please, if a Mass Effect show is made be absolutely nothing like that complete insult of a show. Not a fan of Master Cheeks and his quest for enemy poon?
I've noticed something interesting in Sci-Fi writing in the recent iterations of Star Trek, Star Wars, Halo and even Mass Effect: professional adults are not capable of acting like professional adults.
No, the majority of adults in these recent works are either overly-emotional, hyper-violent or raging fanatics; many times all three. What mature media we have now. But that's not all, add in more obnoxious swearing, nonstop alcoholism, and cringe-inducing, shallow nudity/sexuality for even more maturity.
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 24, 2022 22:28:29 GMT
Wow, reading some of the Halo show comments in this thread after seeing just how much Season 1ended up sucking is surreal. Again, please, if a Mass Effect show is made be absolutely nothing like that complete insult of a show. Not a fan of Master Cheeks and his quest for enemy poon?
I've noticed something interesting in Sci-Fi writing in the recent iterations of Star Trek, Star Wars, Halo and even Mass Effect: professional adults are not capable of acting like professional adults.
No, the majority of adults in these recent works are either overly-emotional, hyper-violent or raging fanatics; many times all three. What mature media we have now. But that's not all, add in more obnoxious swearing, nonstop alcoholism, and cringe-inducing, shallow nudity/sexuality for even more maturity.
It's not just in science fiction, but in all genres of entertainment. From comics to video games to the big screen.
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Post by trinity0 on May 25, 2022 9:09:23 GMT
I recently read some previews of the Lord of the Rings TV Show and I get the impression that the producers and writers didn't understand the Lord of the Rings universe at all. The story and the characters áre really terrible
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 25, 2022 10:42:11 GMT
I recently read some previews of the Lord of the Rings TV Show and I get the impression that the producers and writers didn't understand the Lord of the Rings universe at all. The story and the characters áre really terrible Aye, I even wonder if they even read the books or even watched the movies. Because it sure as hell doesn't look like it.
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Post by General Mahad on May 26, 2022 3:16:42 GMT
I recently read some previews of the Lord of the Rings TV Show and I get the impression that the producers and writers didn't understand the Lord of the Rings universe at all. The story and the characters áre really terrible It's not just LOTR, almost every single recent adaptation of long established properties has this.
I suspect that the writers/producers have original IPs/stories in their minds but they are incapable of selling those stories/IPs to the studios nor public, so they parasitize existing IPs in order to sell their writing/directing potential in order to get their very own IP/story.
It's why established characters act out of character, it's why themes are completely backwards and contradictory, it's why the plot doesn't make sense when compared to the course of events in the established universe.
They want to create the next GOT or Star Trek or Breaking Bad or Walking Dead and the established franchises are simply a means to an end.
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