fairdragon
N3
Games: Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate
Posts: 918 Likes: 381
inherit
11611
0
Apr 18, 2024 13:27:38 GMT
381
fairdragon
918
Jul 30, 2020 17:14:13 GMT
July 2020
fairdragon
Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate
|
Post by fairdragon on May 18, 2022 10:57:46 GMT
Sorry, but i don't see them take scout Harding in.
I do. Lace Harding is besides Varric (lets hope not) the easiest character to bring back from the of the Inquisition characters. Also don´t forget she quite popular in the fandom and within Bioware. So like Cassandra before it shouldn´t surprise
no one if she is one of DA 4 companions
I don't see them bring back any of the personalities from the Inquisition as companions. They say new people. I see a secondary character who wasn't in the Inquisition more as a link. But off the top of my head I can't give you a name.
I am pretty sure that 9 companions for a big main game is enough. 3 for each classes. One of the more common critism of DAO and DA2 that you only have 2 mages. And if we have get an Addon then it will be 6 like Awakening and for a small standalone DLC just 3. I really don´t think that we will get 12 companions that´s too much and doesn´t work. You can see it in ME 2.
Let me show you what i mean: DAO: 7 Companions + 1 DLC + Minor Companion + Dog = 10 companions
DA2: 6 Companions + 1 DLC + siblings = 9 Companions
DAI: 9 Companions + 3 Advisor = 12 Companions
I don't see them go under 12 in total. Inquisition was a hit. And BW is best in Character (if they have enough time DA2 *hint*).
|
|
fairdragon
N3
Games: Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate
Posts: 918 Likes: 381
inherit
11611
0
Apr 18, 2024 13:27:38 GMT
381
fairdragon
918
Jul 30, 2020 17:14:13 GMT
July 2020
fairdragon
Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate
|
Post by fairdragon on May 18, 2022 11:37:24 GMT
Well its time for a grey warden in his / her prime and does everything to stop the blight. Maybe a more extreme version of Duncan? Who said companions should be likeable? Yes, yes,yes. but I definitely felt Vaea would be the elf girl shoehorn this time. There is a problem. BW would have to ask permission to use her and so far it has been made very clear that they have not done so. I don't see them doing it.
|
|
inherit
∯ Oh Loredy...
455
0
26,661
gervaise21
10,775
August 2016
gervaise21
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights
|
Post by gervaise21 on May 18, 2022 12:58:10 GMT
There is a problem. BW would have to ask permission to use her and so far it has been made very clear that they have not done so. I don't see them doing it. I'm not sure but I think the writer said that Bioware could use the character without their permission because they automatically acquire the rights to the characters as the comics are released under their franchise. However, there was some intimation that they would at least inform them if they were going to do this and that hadn't occurred at the time of writing. The main thing that mitigates against them using Vaea is that she is part of a group that was heading south to Ferelden at the end of the last story involving her. Whilst she could have returned north again in the interim time period, assuming DA4 is going to be set post 9:52, there would have to be an explanation as to where her other companions had gone. I also think the reason they were allowed to use Fenris is that it would place him well away from Tevinter and thus explain why we shouldn't expect to see him there, apart from the possibility of him being dead in some world states. I think if Vaea is mentioned at all in game it is likely to be either as part of a codex, dialogue with someone who knew her, or, if the War Table is brought back, as a operative on a mission using that, just as Rhys and Evangeline were no longer part of the mage rebels in DAI, even though you would have expected them to be so based on their involvement in Asunder, but they do appear in a War Table mission.
|
|
cuthbertbeckett
N4
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Posts: 1,683 Likes: 1,742
inherit
11318
0
Apr 19, 2024 22:12:15 GMT
1,742
cuthbertbeckett
1,683
Sept 28, 2019 14:19:10 GMT
September 2019
cuthbertbeckett
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
|
Post by cuthbertbeckett on May 18, 2022 16:03:20 GMT
You are think of Calpernia but i disagree you need someone from the Inquisition to be present in the DA 4 party to connect the games. And sorry besides Varric (who shouldn´t return) Harding is the perfect choice. She is wellknown und beloved in the fandom and at Bioware. Advisors aren´t companions who are following the player and fighting the enemies. So yeah DAI also has only 9 companions. Advisors are just major NPCs who can sometimes be romanced.
I don´t think that everyone has ever said that Kelly Chambers, Samantha Traynor or Steve Cortez were Shepards companions.
|
|
cuthbertbeckett
N4
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Posts: 1,683 Likes: 1,742
inherit
11318
0
Apr 19, 2024 22:12:15 GMT
1,742
cuthbertbeckett
1,683
Sept 28, 2019 14:19:10 GMT
September 2019
cuthbertbeckett
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
|
Post by cuthbertbeckett on May 18, 2022 16:08:48 GMT
Not necessarily. They could have been characters/companions from multi-player. Please see my post above. Possible i never ruled this out. Could be but i think more that she has been a Singleplayer companion in the first version of DA 4. It would fit to have a crow in a heist setting with the Lord of Fortune as player character. Who knows if this is still the case?
|
|
inherit
Scribbles
185
0
Apr 19, 2024 15:24:55 GMT
30,241
Hanako Ikezawa
22,352
August 2016
hanakoikezawa
|
Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 18, 2022 17:35:19 GMT
Advisors aren´t companions who are following the player and fighting the enemies. So yeah DAI also has only 9 companions. Advisors are just major NPCs who can sometimes be romanced. I don´t think that everyone has ever said that Kelly Chambers, Samantha Traynor or Steve Cortez were Shepards companions. They are equivalent to companions in terms of amount of content, so are counted. BioWare has been going that way for many games now. Which is very welcome since it allows them to tell more unique stories that they can’t with companions, such as Josephine’s pacifism. DAI did the best at this, with the advisors having more content than some of the companions.
|
|
cuthbertbeckett
N4
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Posts: 1,683 Likes: 1,742
inherit
11318
0
Apr 19, 2024 22:12:15 GMT
1,742
cuthbertbeckett
1,683
Sept 28, 2019 14:19:10 GMT
September 2019
cuthbertbeckett
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
|
Post by cuthbertbeckett on May 18, 2022 17:51:45 GMT
They are equivalent to companions in terms of amount of content, so are counted. BioWare has been going that way for many games now. Which is very welcome since it allows them to tell more unique stories that they can’t with companions, such as Josephine’s pacifism. DAI did the best at this, with the advisors having more content than some of the companions. Sorry i disagree. Of course you spent a lot of the time with them but they don´t follow the player around and you can´t control them in battle or exploration. Those characters are major NPCs aka Non-Player Characters. Or in DAI case they are called Advisors but not companions.
By the way i don´t think that we will any advisors this time because it won´t fit the nobody hero type story but it doesn´t mean we don´t get NPCs who are similiar to Cullen / Josephine or Leliana kind of content. Maybe for DA4 this a merchant, ship captain (Isabela) or runecrafter? But those aren´t companions.
|
|
inherit
Scribbles
185
0
Apr 19, 2024 15:24:55 GMT
30,241
Hanako Ikezawa
22,352
August 2016
hanakoikezawa
|
Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 18, 2022 18:19:12 GMT
They are equivalent to companions in terms of amount of content, so are counted. BioWare has been going that way for many games now. Which is very welcome since it allows them to tell more unique stories that they can’t with companions, such as Josephine’s pacifism. DAI did the best at this, with the advisors having more content than some of the companions. Sorry i disagree. Of course you spent a lot of the time with them but they don´t follow the player around and you can´t control them in battle or exploration. Those characters are major NPCs aka Non-Player Characters. Or in DAI case they are called Advisors but not companions. By the way i don´t think that we will any advisors this time because it won´t fit the nobody hero type story but it doesn´t mean we don´t get NPCs who are similiar to Cullen / Josephine or Leliana kind of content. Maybe for DA4 this a merchant, ship captain (Isabela) or runecrafter? But those aren´t companions. Disagree all you want. You’re wrong, since BioWare and most of the fans agree with my side, but you’re free to think whatever you want. Also the companions are also considered NPCs. The only PC in BioWare games is the protagonist. Why do you think that? Sure they may not be the commander, spymaster, and ambassador of our group but we can definitely still have advisors. For example we can have contacts (Dorian for example) who easily could advise our character on things this is an advisor. Or we can have characters who are similar to the non-squad crew of the Mass Effect games. Suvi and Lexi for example definitely can be considered advisors, or Samantha in ME3 with all the things she heard. And any of those characters in DA4 can easily have the level of content Josephine, Leliana, and Cullen did.
|
|
cuthbertbeckett
N4
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Posts: 1,683 Likes: 1,742
inherit
11318
0
Apr 19, 2024 22:12:15 GMT
1,742
cuthbertbeckett
1,683
Sept 28, 2019 14:19:10 GMT
September 2019
cuthbertbeckett
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
|
Post by cuthbertbeckett on May 18, 2022 18:36:08 GMT
Disagree all you want. You’re wrong, since BioWare and most of the fans agree with my side, but you’re free to think whatever you want. Don´t you think that this isn´t quite arrogant? Well unlike the Mass Effect Series where you would have a point here you can control the companions in combat or exploration. Simple because of the major theme of DA4: "what happens when you don't have power." www.thegamer.com/dragon-age-4-gamescom-2020/It seems very likely that Dorian is a major character in DA 4 but i don´t think that he is that connected to the player because the DA 4 hero would have some power / influence through Dorian but DA 4 hero is someone who hasn´t power. I like what the Mass Effect Wiki calls them: Allies which is a good description of this kind of major NPCs.
|
|
inherit
Scribbles
185
0
Apr 19, 2024 15:24:55 GMT
30,241
Hanako Ikezawa
22,352
August 2016
hanakoikezawa
|
Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 18, 2022 19:06:08 GMT
Disagree all you want. You’re wrong, since BioWare and most of the fans agree with my side, but you’re free to think whatever you want. Don´t you think that this isn´t quite arrogant? Well unlike the Mass Effect Series where you would have a point here you can control the companions in combat or exploration. Simple because of the major theme of DA4: "what happens when you don't have power." www.thegamer.com/dragon-age-4-gamescom-2020/It seems very likely that Dorian is a major character in DA 4 but i don´t think that he is that connected to the player because the DA 4 hero would have some power / influence through Dorian but DA 4 hero is someone who hasn´t power. I like what the Mass Effect Wiki calls them: Allies which is a good description of this kind of major NPCs. No I don’t, since I’ve seen more than enough evidence to support that. They’re still considered NPCs. First, that trailer is before the supposed redo that BioWare did so best not to take anything from it as gospel. Second, that has nothing to do with having advisor characters. I can think of many stories where someone doesn’t have power yet still have people like that. Heck, even iconic characters like Batman have no power technically yet he has advisors like Alfred, Gordon, Oracle, etc. Not necessarily. If we act as simply a hired sword of Dorian, that doesn’t mean we have power. As he joked about in DAI, it just makes him a lackey. That is a good term, though I feel it should be something more specific than just ally since we have tons of allies. Something like teammates or squadmates. They may not follow you into battle, they are still essential members of the team/squad.
|
|
cuthbertbeckett
N4
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Posts: 1,683 Likes: 1,742
inherit
11318
0
Apr 19, 2024 22:12:15 GMT
1,742
cuthbertbeckett
1,683
Sept 28, 2019 14:19:10 GMT
September 2019
cuthbertbeckett
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
|
Post by cuthbertbeckett on May 18, 2022 19:58:10 GMT
No I don’t, since I’ve seen more than enough evidence to support that. And you can´t name atleast one? But whatever i on the other hand oriented my opinion on what the Dragon Age Wiki says about this topic. "Nine companions accompany the Inquisitor in their journey whilst three advisors assist the Inquisitor in the running of the Inquisition."
I know what you might answer. This just a fan-website Well i trust this site more than you and me regarding Dragon Age stuf. The Mass Effect Wiki by the way knows even more than even Bioware (mainly Mac Walters) What are talking about? The (Varric) trailer is just 1,5 years old and the first version of Joplin was cancelled in 2017-2018. The Trailer is without any doubt from the version aka Morrison who has or hasn´t life service elements. Believe what you will but DA 4 seems to regarding this powerless theme more in the line with DA 2 (and DAO?) than DAI. In DA2 you have also with Aveline as guard captain a quite powerful ally but the rest are more outcasts. Close allies then.
|
|
inherit
∯ Oh Loredy...
455
0
26,661
gervaise21
10,775
August 2016
gervaise21
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights
|
Post by gervaise21 on May 18, 2022 20:28:32 GMT
It seems very likely that Dorian is a major character in DA 4 but i don´t think that he is that connected to the player because the DA 4 hero would have some power / influence through Dorian but DA 4 hero is someone who hasn´t power. Not necessarily. If we act as simply a hired sword of Dorian, that doesn’t mean we have power. As he joked about in DAI, it just makes him a lackey. Just throwing in my own ideas here where Dorian (and may be other "advisors") is concerned. I think his relationship to our PC may be similar to the one he had with Hollix in Tevinter Nights. There he had his own suit of rooms that they went to after their first meeting in the docks to discuss the problem at hand. Then Hollix was left to track down the threat and report back, after which they came up with a plan to eliminate it in which Dorian and Maevaris had a hand but that was the extent to which Hollix could be said to have benefited from their power. They were paid off and left. When they were speaking of power in that trailer, I'm pretty sure they were meaning tangible political power, such as the Inquisitor enjoyed, or at least the ability to benefit from previously agreed treaties, as with the Warden. At least at the beginning, I imagine it will be more akin to how Hawke started out but (hopefully) without the noble background that assists their acceptance into the higher echelons of society once they have the money to buy back their estate. The main thing is that they have to operate without any influence over the leadership who could possibly give them greater assistance. This would be true even if they have Dorian as an ally, because the Lucerni only have limited influence over the Magisterium and it might well be that he has to keep our PC at arm's length for political reasons. Rather in the way that the Archon used Tessa and Marius to eliminate political rivals that he couldn't openly attack himself. However, Dorian would still likely be the go to person for bringing our PC (and new players) up to speed regarding the politics and culture of Tevinter.
|
|
inherit
104
0
Apr 14, 2024 23:12:36 GMT
6,849
The Elder King
5,733
August 2016
theelderking
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire
19631
|
Post by The Elder King on May 18, 2022 20:28:39 GMT
What are talking about? The (Varric) trailer is just 1,5 years old and the first version of Joplin was cancelled in 2017-2018. Believe what you will but DA 4 seems to regarding this powerless theme more in the line with DA 2 (and DAO?) than DAI. There was a report last year, where EA seemingly agreed/pushed for DA4 to shift from a more multiplayer-focused experience to a fully/focused SP experience. Neither Bioware and EA denied those claims, and while there's no way to know for sure if it happened or not, if you go back and read all the blogs about DA4/The Dread Wolf Rises, you can notice that the blogs after the reports all mention in some way a focus on SP, explicitely, while the previous blogs didn't. There's no way to know for sure, gain, what happened exactly, but if you believe those reports (I personally do), then it's quite possible that the game coudl've gone through heavy changed in different areas, from story to gameplay. I certainly hope that's the case, because it'd mean that, at least partially, the drought after the teaser was due those changes, and not the game being stuck in development hell. The game will be released, most likely, with at least 3 years after the TGA teaser trailer. That's a lot of time for things to change. Coupling with how vague the teaser was, and how the shift to SP (if true), could've changed things, I personally think it's best to not assume anything in regards of the game from the scarce information we have so far...except the fact that it'll involve Solas. I would also point out that even with powerless (starting) themes like DA2, or DAO, advisor-like characters could've worked well. Even based on the idea hinted by the trailer, advisor characters could fit quite nicely. I wouldn't personally want him back in such role despite the fact that I like him, but I think, for example, that Varric could theorically be an advisor of sort for the new PC in DA4, if the theme of the teaser is still in the game.
|
|
inherit
Scribbles
185
0
Apr 19, 2024 15:24:55 GMT
30,241
Hanako Ikezawa
22,352
August 2016
hanakoikezawa
|
Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 18, 2022 21:31:32 GMT
When they were speaking of power in that trailer, I'm pretty sure they were meaning tangible political power, such as the Inquisitor enjoyed, or at least the ability to benefit from previously agreed treaties, as with the Warden. Yet another reason why the Inquisitor should have been the protagonist. Would be such an interesting experience to play someone who’s after we’ve experienced how much power and influence they had now having to work with practically nothing in a world that sees their efforts as merely an attempt to remain relevant.
|
|
cuthbertbeckett
N4
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Posts: 1,683 Likes: 1,742
inherit
11318
0
Apr 19, 2024 22:12:15 GMT
1,742
cuthbertbeckett
1,683
Sept 28, 2019 14:19:10 GMT
September 2019
cuthbertbeckett
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
|
Post by cuthbertbeckett on May 18, 2022 21:40:29 GMT
There was a report last year, where EA seemingly agreed/pushed for DA4 to shift from a more multiplayer-focused experience to a fully/focused SP experience. Neither Bioware and EA denied those claims, and while there's no way to know for sure if it happened or not, if you go back and read all the blogs about DA4/The Dread Wolf Rises, you can notice that the blogs after the reports all mention in some way a focus on SP, explicitely, while the previous blogs didn't. You mean the Jason Schreier / Bloomberg article? This was published mid-February 2021 and the Varric VGA was 3 months before sorry i don´t think over this short time happened that much. Maybe they scrapped the game again at this time but we don´t know that so unlike we have more infos the Varric trailer is still a valid version of this game.
But i agree that EA / Bioware changed DA 4 around 2020 to remove the Games as a Service / MP elements. I have to agree. I don´t want Varric in the game but i have to admit would fit as an advisor / major NPC role because even as a Inquisition member he hadn´t really much power. And who knows if he is still Vicomte?
Speaking of advisors i personal would use the term faction leader. In DA 4 we have to deal with several factions
and therefore very likely interact wth their leaders.
Dorian (along with Maevaris) would be leader of the reformer Lucerni faction, the Archon as the head of the traditionalists, someone acts as Fog Warrior leader, the Grey Warden have of course the first Warden, Solas of the elven Faction, Sten / Arishok and / or Ariqun for the Qunari forces and the Inquisition forces in Tevinter could be led by Charter or Rylen.
|
|
inherit
1398
0
3,641
Absafraginlootly
"Abso-fraggin-lutely!" ~ Captain John Sheridan and Satai Delenn
1,373
September 2016
absafraginlootly
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR
|
Post by Absafraginlootly on May 19, 2022 1:00:43 GMT
The main thing that mitigates against them using Vaea is that she is part of a group that was heading south to Ferelden at the end of the last story involving her. Whilst she could have returned north again in the interim time period, assuming DA4 is going to be set post 9:52, there would have to be an explanation as to where her other companions had gone. I also think the reason they were allowed to use Fenris is that it would place him well away from Tevinter and thus explain why we shouldn't expect to see him there, apart from the possibility of him being dead in some world states. This was my thinking also. I don't really expect to see Vaea, Francesca or Fenris in da4. But Marius and Tessa didn't go south with them. So we may see one or both. Especially if Calpernia and/or Charter are in the game.
|
|
fairdragon
N3
Games: Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate
Posts: 918 Likes: 381
inherit
11611
0
Apr 18, 2024 13:27:38 GMT
381
fairdragon
918
Jul 30, 2020 17:14:13 GMT
July 2020
fairdragon
Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate
|
Post by fairdragon on May 19, 2022 7:16:39 GMT
You are think of Calpernia but i disagree you need someone from the Inquisition to be present in the DA 4 party to connect the games. And sorry besides Varric (who shouldn´t return) Harding is the perfect choice. She is wellknown und beloved in the fandom and at Bioware. yes present as NPC (Dorian, Varric, Harding etc.). I don't see them in the party and i think it is not needed to connect the games. Advisors aren´t companions who are following the player and fighting the enemies. So yeah DAI also has only 9 companions. Advisors are just major NPCs who can sometimes be romanced.
I don´t think that everyone has ever said that Kelly Chambers, Samantha Traynor or Steve Cortez were Shepards companions.
Okay, if you see it that way then 9 Companions.
|
|
fairdragon
N3
Games: Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate
Posts: 918 Likes: 381
inherit
11611
0
Apr 18, 2024 13:27:38 GMT
381
fairdragon
918
Jul 30, 2020 17:14:13 GMT
July 2020
fairdragon
Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate
|
Post by fairdragon on May 19, 2022 7:45:09 GMT
my actual idea was 9 companions and 4 people from different factions (the short stories). They are not advisor but come later to check out our PC. We have no power and when we start to have success and the big decision makers are against us, they want to know where we stand and control us. A bit like with Iron Bull and the qunari but i don't see them running around with us. And in the end we have save everything but get kicked out, because other take the laurels.
The only think i see doesn't get cut out are the short stories. the rest is fun to discuss, but i won't complain if something else comes out. As long we get that game and i have fun playing it. I am okay.
We have dog for DAO and the siblings for DA2 and the advisor for DAI. I don't see them stop here.
|
|
inherit
∯ Oh Loredy...
455
0
26,661
gervaise21
10,775
August 2016
gervaise21
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights
|
Post by gervaise21 on May 19, 2022 7:45:23 GMT
Yet another reason why the Inquisitor should have been the protagonist. Would be such an interesting experience to play someone who’s after we’ve experienced how much power and influence they had now having to work with practically nothing in a world that sees their efforts as merely an attempt to remain relevant. I think that would have been interesting if we literally had lost everything but that is not the case. For a start off, even if we disband, the Inquisition still seems to be active. Also, Varric gave us automatic relevance and a power base in Kirkwall, which in some ways is better than Skyhold because it is easier to access a number of locations from there, either by land or sea, without having to come down out of the mountains and cross the Waking Sea first, not to mention in later stories the Inquisition was still operating in Tevinter and elsewhere. This was the reason I thought the whole idea that they were tying off the story of the Inquisitor in Trespasser rather peculiar because if they had wanted to minimise their influence going forward, they definitely went a funny way about it. Even the idea that they "need new people Solas doesn't know", doesn't really seem to wash bearing in mind he was easily able to infiltrate Charter's meeting in Tevinter Nights and was even watching Vaea and Co via an eluvian in the comic series. So all that seems to have happened is that we no longer have a private army at our disposal, which wouldn't have been much help against Solas anyway, although I imagine it might have been considered useful to have around with the Qunari threat of invasion, plus we no longer have Josephine to smooth the way for us diplomatically but that does make for a more clandestine organisation and with Solas I would imagine we need to act quickly without waiting for official approval. Anyway, since the Inquisitor is not going to be the protagonist next game, what I now hope is that we are not saddled with being part of that organisation but they are just one of many we have to deal with. Otherwise, if we are forced to be one of their agents, it is going to feel a bit like we are playing Inquisitor-lite. Unfortunately, that voice over by Varric does not help alleviate my concerns in that respect. "We've got your back, I've got your back", does sound like an organisation behind us but if he is just referring to our intrepid band of companions, then that would suggest he is one of them, which I wouldn't want either.
|
|
cuthbertbeckett
N4
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Posts: 1,683 Likes: 1,742
inherit
11318
0
Apr 19, 2024 22:12:15 GMT
1,742
cuthbertbeckett
1,683
Sept 28, 2019 14:19:10 GMT
September 2019
cuthbertbeckett
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
|
Post by cuthbertbeckett on May 19, 2022 8:01:49 GMT
We always had a returning face as companion who connected the old and new game.
Even in some of DAO DLCs. Why should DA 4 be any different?
The only thing i don´t see happen this time is a returning companion from previous game.
Varric is still an option but let´s hope he doesn´t return for a third time. Harding makes perfect sense to be a companion. First the most important one she isn´t a Quantum Character and therefore exists in every possible world state, she is a quite popular & known character from the games (and not other media) with not so little screentime unlike for example Charter, Edit: you can make good Hinterlands jokes with her and last but not least she is the last scene of DAI / Trespasser so that must have a meaning.
|
|
inherit
∯ Oh Loredy...
455
0
26,661
gervaise21
10,775
August 2016
gervaise21
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights
|
Post by gervaise21 on May 19, 2022 12:12:45 GMT
last but not least she is the last scene of DAI / Trespasser so that must have a meaning. This is actually the one that carries most weight. In the epilogue slide to Trespasser it is said that Leliana is grooming both Charter and Harding to take over from her, yet in all associated media it is Charter who features as the Inquisition contact in a spymaster role. So what is Harding doing? Since Charter only appears outside of Tevinter, it might be assumed that Harding is the one responsible for pursuing their aims inside of the Imperium but to date Dorian has been the only Inquisition contact there. That points to Harding being involved in something undercover that has yet to be revealed.
|
|
wright1978
N4
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR
Prime Posts: 8,116
Prime Likes: 2073
Posts: 1,632 Likes: 2,469
inherit
1492
0
2,469
wright1978
1,632
Sept 8, 2016 12:06:29 GMT
September 2016
wright1978
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR
8,116
2073
|
Post by wright1978 on May 19, 2022 13:55:54 GMT
They are equivalent to companions in terms of amount of content, so are counted. BioWare has been going that way for many games now. Which is very welcome since it allows them to tell more unique stories that they can’t with companions, such as Josephine’s pacifism. DAI did the best at this, with the advisors having more content than some of the companions. Sorry i disagree. Of course you spent a lot of the time with them but they don´t follow the player around and you can´t control them in battle or exploration. Those characters are major NPCs aka Non-Player Characters. Or in DAI case they are called Advisors but not companions.
By the way i don´t think that we will any advisors this time because it won´t fit the nobody hero type story but it doesn´t mean we don´t get NPCs who are similiar to Cullen / Josephine or Leliana kind of content. Maybe for DA4 this a merchant, ship captain (Isabela) or runecrafter? But those aren´t companions. Advisors were very much lesser than companions imo. Yeah i hope there aren't advisors and think there's a good chance there won't be if we're not playing a role similar to inquisitor.
|
|
inherit
Scribbles
185
0
Apr 19, 2024 15:24:55 GMT
30,241
Hanako Ikezawa
22,352
August 2016
hanakoikezawa
|
Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 19, 2022 15:37:41 GMT
Yet another reason why the Inquisitor should have been the protagonist. Would be such an interesting experience to play someone who’s after we’ve experienced how much power and influence they had now having to work with practically nothing in a world that sees their efforts as merely an attempt to remain relevant. I think that would have been interesting if we literally had lost everything but that is not the case. For a start off, even if we disband, the Inquisition still seems to be active. Also, Varric gave us automatic relevance and a power base in Kirkwall, which in some ways is better than Skyhold because it is easier to access a number of locations from there, either by land or sea, without having to come down out of the mountains and cross the Waking Sea first, not to mention in later stories the Inquisition was still operating in Tevinter and elsewhere. This was the reason I thought the whole idea that they were tying off the story of the Inquisitor in Trespasser rather peculiar because if they had wanted to minimise their influence going forward, they definitely went a funny way about it. Even the idea that they "need new people Solas doesn't know", doesn't really seem to wash bearing in mind he was easily able to infiltrate Charter's meeting in Tevinter Nights and was even watching Vaea and Co via an eluvian in the comic series. So all that seems to have happened is that we no longer have a private army at our disposal, which wouldn't have been much help against Solas anyway, although I imagine it might have been considered useful to have around with the Qunari threat of invasion, plus we no longer have Josephine to smooth the way for us diplomatically but that does make for a more clandestine organisation and with Solas I would imagine we need to act quickly without waiting for official approval. Anyway, since the Inquisitor is not going to be the protagonist next game, what I now hope is that we are not saddled with being part of that organisation but they are just one of many we have to deal with. Otherwise, if we are forced to be one of their agents, it is going to feel a bit like we are playing Inquisitor-lite. Unfortunately, that voice over by Varric does not help alleviate my concerns in that respect. "We've got your back, I've got your back", does sound like an organisation behind us but if he is just referring to our intrepid band of companions, then that would suggest he is one of them, which I wouldn't want either. Maybe not as an official ambassador, but she still would be able to help. Especially if romanced since she’s at the final meeting. I imagine all our companions are the same. I hope Varric isn’t a companion. The only involvement I want with him is as minor as possible. Maybe even dying, but I fear we’ll be forced to act only a certain way with that. But no matter what they do with the Inquisition now it’s going to be absolutely shitty.
|
|
inherit
∯ Oh Loredy...
455
0
26,661
gervaise21
10,775
August 2016
gervaise21
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights
|
Post by gervaise21 on May 19, 2022 17:10:57 GMT
Maybe not as an official ambassador, but she still would be able to help. Especially if romanced since she’s at the final meeting. I imagine all our companions are the same. I was thinking more in an official capacity. Naturally many of our companions/advisors can still help out in their own way, if they are in a position to do so. In fact their natural spread across Thedas would help with this. The Divine is always an ex-member of the Inquisition; Josephine runs a merchant shipping line with close links to Antiva as well as Orlais; Dorian is always back in Tevinter and even if not on good terms with the Inquisitor is likely to put dealing with Solas ahead of his personal feelings; Cassandra gives a link to Nevarra; Vivienne to the southern Circle of Magi; Leliana to Ferelden; Blackwall may or may not be part of the Grey Wardens but if he is there is that link there; Iron Bull, if alive, is active with his Chargers across southern Thedas; Varric is Viscount of Kirkwall with links to the rulers of the city states in the rest of the Freemarches; Sera has her underworld connection with the Red Jennies in various locations and even if not on good terms with the Inquisitor, has promised the Divine her help whenever it is needed. So we do seem to have all bases covered. I hope Varric isn’t a companion. The only involvement I want with him is as minor as possible. Maybe even dying, but I fear we’ll be forced to act only a certain way with that. I hoping that he will merely be one contact among many. Tevinter Nights suggested he is acting as some sort of focal point for information gathering and giving people tasks to perform, so perhaps that is how we will meet him.
|
|
inherit
Scribbles
185
0
Apr 19, 2024 15:24:55 GMT
30,241
Hanako Ikezawa
22,352
August 2016
hanakoikezawa
|
Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 19, 2022 17:17:07 GMT
Maybe not as an official ambassador, but she still would be able to help. Especially if romanced since she’s at the final meeting. I imagine all our companions are the same. I was thinking more in an official capacity. Naturally many of our companions/advisors can still help out in their own way, if they are in a position to do so. In fact their natural spread across Thedas would help with this. The Divine is always an ex-member of the Inquisition; Josephine runs a merchant shipping line with close links to Antiva as well as Orlais; Dorian is always back in Tevinter and even if not on good terms with the Inquisitor is likely to put dealing with Solas ahead of his personal feelings; Cassandra gives a link to Nevarra; Vivienne to the southern Circle of Magi; Leliana to Ferelden; Blackwall may or may not be part of the Grey Wardens but if he is there is that link there; Iron Bull, if alive, is active with his Chargers across southern Thedas; Varric is Viscount of Kirkwall with links to the rulers of the city states in the rest of the Freemarches; Sera has her underworld connection with the Red Jennies in various locations and even if not on good terms with the Inquisitor, has promised the Divine her help whenever it is needed. So we do seem to have all bases covered. I hope Varric isn’t a companion. The only involvement I want with him is as minor as possible. Maybe even dying, but I fear we’ll be forced to act only a certain way with that. I hoping that he will merely be one contact among many. Tevinter Nights suggested he is acting as some sort of focal point for information gathering and giving people tasks to perform, so perhaps that is how we will meet him. Yep. They’re nice and spread out. Too bad that won’t be utilized well due to what they decided to abandon and what they decided to replace it with. Now whatever is done with these characters will just be wasted.
|
|