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Post by Iddy on May 20, 2022 12:22:41 GMT
Yet another reason why the Inquisitor should have been the protagonist. Would be such an interesting experience to play someone who’s after we’ve experienced how much power and influence they had now having to work with practically nothing in a world that sees their efforts as merely an attempt to remain relevant. Even the idea that they "need new people Solas doesn't know", doesn't really seem to wash bearing in mind he was easily able to infiltrate Charter's meeting in Tevinter Nights and was even watching Vaea and Co via an eluvian in the comic series. So all that seems to have happened is that we no longer have a private army at our disposal, which wouldn't have been much help against Solas anyway, although I imagine it might have been considered useful to have around with the Qunari threat of invasion, plus we no longer have Josephine to smooth the way for us diplomatically but that does make for a more clandestine organisation and with Solas I would imagine we need to act quickly without waiting for official approval. Truly? That's... really disappointing. But unfortunately, good roleplay requires that we don't make decisions based on hindsight and metagaming. The Inquisitor has no way of knowing that disbanding the Inquisition will make very little difference.
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Post by themikefest on May 20, 2022 12:35:03 GMT
Speculation? One of the companions will want to side with Solas. He/she will do things to hamper any effort the main character has at stopping Solas. In the end, the player will have a choice to decide the fate of the companion.
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Post by Iddy on May 20, 2022 13:21:50 GMT
Speculation? One of the companions will want to side with Solas. He/she will do things to hamper any effort the main character has at stopping Solas. In the end, the player will have a choice to decide the fate of the companion. Ohhh, 100%. The party will have an infiltrated Solas agent for sure.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 20, 2022 14:53:00 GMT
Truly? That's... really disappointing. But unfortunately, good roleplay requires that we don't make decisions based on hindsight and metagaming. The Inquisitor has no way of knowing that disbanding the Inquisition will make very little difference. Of course. When my male elf Inquisitor chose to disband it is because he didn't want history to repeat itself and the second Inquisition become the puppet of the Chantry in the same way as the first. When my female elf, Solasmancer, put it under the control of Divine Cassandra, it is because she acknowledged she was too much of an emotional wreck to make a sensible decision, so passed it on to one of the people responsible for instituting the Inquisition in the first place. My point was that whilst we may have made an entirely in character choice at the end of Trespasser, in the grand scheme of things it made little difference one way or the other. At the very end we are seen in the basement making plans for dealing with Solas and in subsequent media our decision seems to have made very little difference to the presence of the Inquisition in the world. People are still engaged by the Inquisition to perform tasks on behalf of them. The organisation still seems to be the hub of information concerning Solas. The Inquisitor is still there in the background; Solas even sends them a message via Charter. That being the case, to justify not simply letting the Inquisitor continue to lead the story in the next game, I really feel we need to start off, at least in the early part of the game, completely dissociated from the Inquisition. Otherwise, I am really going to feel TIM vibes with regard to the Inquisitor's relationship to our new PC.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 20, 2022 14:55:46 GMT
Speculation? One of the companions will want to side with Solas. He/she will do things to hamper any effort the main character has at stopping Solas. In the end, the player will have a choice to decide the fate of the companion. Ohhh, 100%. The part will have an infiltrated Solas agent for sure. I just hope it isn't too obvious, so our PC isn't given the idiot ball once again and not allowed to ask awkward questions or challenge them even though logically we should. Mind you, given what Solas did in Tevinter Nights, who is to say the infiltrator won't be Solas in a disguise?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 20, 2022 15:23:08 GMT
Speculation? One of the companions will want to side with Solas. He/she will do things to hamper any effort the main character has at stopping Solas. In the end, the player will have a choice to decide the fate of the companion. Ohhh, 100%. The part will have an infiltrated Solas agent for sure. I just hope it isn't too obvious, so our PC isn't given the idiot ball once again and not allowed to ask awkward questions or challenge them even though logically we should. Mind you, given what Solas did in Tevinter Nights, who is to say the infiltrator won't be Solas in a disguise? Why not? We’re already going to have our character bludgeoned with the Idiot Ball a lot already with how much more the player knows than they do.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 20, 2022 17:11:17 GMT
Why not? We’re already going to have our character bludgeoned with the Idiot Ball a lot already with how much more the player knows than they do. They do make a habit of this. There was the cut scene in DAO with Zevran and Loghain, which seemed unnecessary to me since he tells us who employed him, so I didn't need to know this before our encounter. Look at that business of Corypheus in Legacy. I remember loads of people were speculating that he had jumped to the Grey Warden in the background. You could even see them holding their head as though something was wrong with them. Yet when Hawke and Varric talk about it, they are still puzzled as to how the dead guy came back because, of course, why would they know? It is the player that has the knowledge about Arch-demons soul jumping, so the only question for us was how come it didn't kill them both? Then there is the fact that we know from the end of the main game that Solas is Fen'Harel but have to go through the motions with our PC throughout Trespasser so they are up to speed on the information and, to make it worse, have to find certain hidden clues to be allowed to state straight out that we know his identity. I know some people like knowing these things as a player and enjoy cuts scenes showing information that our PC does not know but for me it spoils the immersion, so I am acting the part in a play rather than being a part of the story as it develops. Mind you, I found the whole business with Solas and his disguise in Tevinter Nights rather odd. Who was the real Orlesian Bard whose place he had taken? I know he was wearing a full face mask but considering they were outside the Orlesian Court there was no reason for Charter not to demand he remove it at the beginning so she could check the identity of the person underneath. In fact, come to think of it, he shouldn't even have been wearing a mask as they are the property of noble houses and thus a bard has no business wearing one unless they are part of their household. (Something they appear to have forgotten in DAI where everyone seemed to wear a mask whether noble or not). Incidentally, something I objected to outside of Orlais in Inquisition. The masks are an affectation of the Orlesian Court but are not necessary elsewhere. In Mask of the Assassin, the Orlesians didn't wear masks because we weren't in Orlais but in DAI they wore them in Ferelden, on the battlefield and even in Skyhold, where if it had been left up to me I would have insisted on their removal. My home, my rules, thank you very much. Still, despite what is shown in the comics, I would imagine that masks would not be permitted up in Tevinter; I get the feeling that the Magisters like to know who they are dealing with.
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Post by fairdragon on May 29, 2022 8:27:51 GMT
last but not least she is the last scene of DAI / Trespasser so that must have a meaning. This is actually the one that carries most weight. In the epilogue slide to Trespasser it is said that Leliana is grooming both Charter and Harding to take over from her, yet in all associated media it is Charter who features as the Inquisition contact in a spymaster role. So what is Harding doing? Since Charter only appears outside of Tevinter, it might be assumed that Harding is the one responsible for pursuing their aims inside of the Imperium but to date Dorian has been the only Inquisition contact there. That points to Harding being involved in something undercover that has yet to be revealed. I see that, but Trespasser also says new people. So she can be the Inquisition contact, but i think this contact is more of a loose NPC contact.
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Post by fairdragon on May 29, 2022 8:39:53 GMT
My point was that whilst we may have made an entirely in character choice at the end of Trespasser, in the grand scheme of things it made little difference one way or the other. At the very end we are seen in the basement making plans for dealing with Solas and in subsequent media our decision seems to have made very little difference to the presence of the Inquisition in the world. People are still engaged by the Inquisition to perform tasks on behalf of them. The organisation still seems to be the hub of information concerning Solas. The Inquisitor is still there in the background; Solas even sends them a message via Charter. That being the case, to justify not simply letting the Inquisitor continue to lead the story in the next game, I really feel we need to start off, at least in the early part of the game, completely dissociated from the Inquisition. Otherwise, I am really going to feel TIM vibes with regard to the Inquisitor's relationship to our new PC. I think that is the case. Anything else would make no sense. We need a strong conection to the new people.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 29, 2022 9:20:54 GMT
But wasn't it always the case that the other media only ever showed one decision. The score for newcomers? This is true but usually it is vague enough that it could fit any decision by the player. In Asunder Wynne is alive even if you kill her, but there is already an adequate explanation for that with her indwelling spirit, so no real problem there and in any case she is dead by the end of the novel. The Warden is mentioned but not their fate at the end of DAO. Anders is referenced but Hawke not mentioned at all. In Masked Empire Teagan is ambassador for Ferelden but the actual name of the monarch is omitted. I think the only associated media where a default was established was in the first comic series where Alistair is King and Sten has become the Arishok. However, the first is ignored in DAI if you choose you own world state and we may yet discover that Sten is no longer Arishok by the time of the events in DA4. This could be because he died in battle, Tevinter succeeded in assassinating him or he retired from the office because of old age. I make the latter observation because he was already a junior officer in 9:12 Dragon. Even if the Qun promote rapidly within their ranks, that would suggest he must at least have been in his early 20's at that time, which would make him 40 in 9:32 and 60 in 9:52, which is the time one of the latest short stories is set. Now I am not saying you can't be fit and healthy at the age of 60 and we have never been told whether qunari age faster or slower than other races but it could have a bearing on his status within the Qun. In any case, unless they want us to actually encounter the Arishok, whether that person is Sten or not is not really going to be relevant and mean nothing at all to new players. This is why I felt that giving us a decision over whether or not the Inquisition should be disbanded and then carrying on with it regardless, made the whole thing a bit pointless. Since not everyone who played DAI was able to play Trespasser, as they didn't make it possible on old consoles, in some ways Trespasser can be viewed a bit like other associated media. The events there were not essential to knowing the ongoing story. You could go from DAI to the new game in total ignorance of events in Trespasser, the continuation of the Inquisition will not come as a surprise because it was still active at the end of DAI and any differences with its mode of operation can be explained via a codex. Also, people who only played DAI will not necessarily expect to see the Inquisitor leading the fight against Solas because at the end of DAI they were in ignorance of his identity and plans. Their organisation was based in the south and there was no reason to see them personally in the north, their agents having been the ones active in that area. For this reason, I still maintain that the stated intent that Trespasser was meant to tie-off the Inquisitor's story did not tally with how it played out. At the end of DAI, I had no reason to expect to see the Inquisitor outside of the south and certainly not in Tevinter; at the end of Trespasser and in associated media the Inquisition, and by implication, the Inquisitor, is involved in events in Tevinter and beyond to a much greater extent than before. Even if they are directing operations rather than being part of them, that still means they are actively involved in what is happening in Thedas, whilst their conversation with Solas in Trespasser means that anything involving him is personal, so their story is anything but over.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 29, 2022 9:31:24 GMT
For this reason, I still maintain that the stated intent that Trespasser was meant to tie-off the Inquisitor's story did not tally with how it played out. At the end of DAI, I had no reason to expect to see the Inquisitor outside of the south and certainly not in Tevinter; at the end of Trespasser and in associated media the Inquisition, and by implication, the Inquisitor, is involved in events in Tevinter and beyond to a much greater extent than before. Even if they are directing operations rather than being part of them, that still means they are actively involved in what is happening in Thedas, whilst their conversation with Solas in Trespasser means that anything involving him is personal, so their story is anything but over. Too bad that any involvement with them in DA4 is at best going to be disappointing for most fans and at worst completely bastardize the character and ruin their story. BioWare should have just left them on the balcony.
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Post by ClarkKent on May 29, 2022 10:27:02 GMT
Why not? We’re already going to have our character bludgeoned with the Idiot Ball a lot already with how much more the player knows than they do. They do make a habit of this. There was the cut scene in DAO with Zevran and Loghain, which seemed unnecessary to me since he tells us who employed him, so I didn't need to know this before our encounter. Look at that business of Corypheus in Legacy. I remember loads of people were speculating that he had jumped to the Grey Warden in the background. You could even see them holding their head as though something was wrong with them. Yet when Hawke and Varric talk about it, they are still puzzled as to how the dead guy came back because, of course, why would they know? It is the player that has the knowledge about Arch-demons soul jumping, so the only question for us was how come it didn't kill them both? Then there is the fact that we know from the end of the main game that Solas is Fen'Harel but have to go through the motions with our PC throughout Trespasser so they are up to speed on the information and, to make it worse, have to find certain hidden clues to be allowed to state straight out that we know his identity. I like the character so I suspend my disbelief to an extent but I always find the decision of the Warden to spare Zevran utterly nonsensical. The Warden carves a blood shaped path through Ferelden but saves this guy? An assassin that's going to be sleeping where the Warden is sleeping and has already tried to kill him before. I can never see a justification where the potential negatives don't outweigh any benefits.
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Post by Iddy on May 29, 2022 14:49:44 GMT
They do make a habit of this. There was the cut scene in DAO with Zevran and Loghain, which seemed unnecessary to me since he tells us who employed him, so I didn't need to know this before our encounter. Look at that business of Corypheus in Legacy. I remember loads of people were speculating that he had jumped to the Grey Warden in the background. You could even see them holding their head as though something was wrong with them. Yet when Hawke and Varric talk about it, they are still puzzled as to how the dead guy came back because, of course, why would they know? It is the player that has the knowledge about Arch-demons soul jumping, so the only question for us was how come it didn't kill them both? Then there is the fact that we know from the end of the main game that Solas is Fen'Harel but have to go through the motions with our PC throughout Trespasser so they are up to speed on the information and, to make it worse, have to find certain hidden clues to be allowed to state straight out that we know his identity. I like the character so I suspend my disbelief to an extent but I always find the decision of the Warden to spare Zevran utterly nonsensical. The Warden carves a blood shaped path through Ferelden but saves this guy? An assassin that's going to be sleeping where the Warden is sleeping and has already tried to kill him before. I can never see a justification where the potential negatives don't outweigh any benefits. Indeed. And what about recruiting Loghain?
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Post by gervaise21 on May 29, 2022 17:52:23 GMT
Indeed. And what about recruiting Loghain? Actually I could see the sense in this over recruiting Zevran. Whilst Loghain had tried to kill you, it was Riorden who initially made the recommendation, suggesting he could see the merits in it. Technically he was the senior Grey Warden there, so his opinion does carry weight. If he doesn't think it is utter foolishness, why should you? Showing clemency would get those members of the Landsmeet on side who had supported him, so ensuring unity in the future campaign. In my case, since my Cousland was planning on marrying Anora, it would encourage her to agree to the match. Loghain was a veteran warrior, with considerable tactical experience he could bring to the table and, to be honest, was more valuable than Alistair in that respect. Contrary to what Alistair seemed to believe, the Grey Wardens were not some noble order of chivalry but were renowned for recruiting felons, even those who had committed capital crimes. Would a straight forward murderer be any more trustworthy? Lastly, he would be obliged to take the Joining, so even if he did double cross you, he would still be a Warden and whilst you do not know at that stage exactly why it is so important for there to be a Grey Warden to lead the fight against the Arch-demon, there is enough history to suggest it is vital to success. So there are at least a fair number of reasons to recruit Loghain which don't make you an utter fool for agreeing to it.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on May 29, 2022 17:53:48 GMT
I see that, but Trespasser also says new people. Not really the exact quote is: "Then we find people he doesn´t know" You miss the part about: "Then we find people..." Sorry i can´t imagine that the DA 4 party has no from Inquisition member or who represent the Inquisitor. Its one thing that the Inquisitor isn´t back as hero but no one else from the Inquisition who connects the games seems highly unlikely.
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Post by cailan33 on May 30, 2022 1:34:48 GMT
What about Harding actually being in the game but just as a character like either Cullen or in DA2 Nathaniel or Zevran?
I mean yeah she is cute and yeah it seems they like her and it’s sweet how some of you guys really fight for her but at least for me she was always more a Cullen character an NPC who is a nice addition and brings certain things in the game forward by having a specific role but not as much as being a relationship companion or “higher” NPC.
Btw I really like how gervais21 has so much back ground knowledge is interesting but also a bit overwhelming ^^
About the topic betrayer companion: I don’t see there will be a full antagonist in the party who will 100% join solas BUT I personally could see a companion who is either corrupted or blackmailed or maybe enslaved by solas? And you the player can break the bond between them freeing the companion OR you can convince the companion to really fight against solas — after getting betrayed of course for dramatic story reasons.
I think it’s settled that we get a female Qunari but I am also personally quite certain we get a female (I assume human) crow, a female elven mage and at least two Tevinter characters one maybe mortalitasi (necromancer), one for and the other one working against Tevinter image.
If we will see Fenris again I really hope he will look and act less edgy (I personally liked the idea of his character but I nearly never used him cause of that vibe)
Zevran will be quite certain and I would like to see him personally too even Zevran always had to step aside for Leliana in Origins. ^^
It’s still sad to hear we won’t see Sigrun again but since she is part of the legion it really could be certain that she is already rip… but I would welcome another female dwarf like her - if there will be a female dwarf in the party - I liked the legion heavy armor vibe dual wielding axes (and also her chill and easy character) but a dwarven mage with titan “magic” or how it’s called would be REALLY damn cool too.
Btw and maybe slightly out of topic: so hope we will have more love scenes like in Origins which looked maybe a bit clunky to due the old graphics of the game but still were imo more atmospheric than the ones in the other games (even some in inquisition wasn’t bad either - but inquisition always felt a bit too PEGI16 than (how it should be) PEGI18.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 30, 2022 8:04:18 GMT
Btw I really like how gervais21 has so much back ground knowledge is interesting but also a bit overwhelming ^^ It can be a bit of a curse for me too, particularly when they changed things in the lore and explained it with an "unreliable narrator" or "differences developing between clans over time" or "natural historical inaccuracies" when there is clearly a paradox since some things from the same time period are remembered with almost total accuracy and yet others have been totally forgotten. At present, I am considering approaching the next game as totally ignorant of the setting, in other words as though I were a new player, because it is so long since the last one and that way I will not be irritated by contradictions with what I previously understood. That said, I do enjoy discussing the lore, so please bear with me as I don't mean to be intimidating. BUT I personally could see a companion who is either corrupted or blackmailed or maybe enslaved by solas Blackmail and enslavement aren't really his style. Solas is a manipulator and deceiver, so the trick in breaking his hold over the person would be convincing them of his duplicity and bad faith, which given the nature of cultists when it comes to their leader would not be an easy thing to do. The problem is that the only people that Solas is going to be able to fool are elves, unless he comes up with a completely different motivation to ensnare other races, and I'm not sure that he would want to get one of his followers that close to his opponents, bearing in mind that if their cover was blown, there is magic than can be used to force them to divulge their secrets. Of course, that might make for an interesting moral dilemma for the new PC. Are you willing to use blood magic mind manipulation to further your own agenda if it stops Solas? I still think that if there is going to be a betrayer this time round, it is not going to be someone connected with Solas. As I've pointed out before, there are people who are opposed to Solas but may have a different reason to that of the PC. The Qun may wish to stop him but then use the idol to strengthen the Veil, which would be disastrous for mages generally and Tevinter in particular. There are Magisters, possibly the Venatori, who want the idol to allow world domination by their group. The Viper and their group may want it in order to acquire power of their own. The most mysterious and dangerous group are likely to be the Executors. I think an agent of theirs would be the most likely person to betray you. Now the Executor in Tevinter Nights was a creepy, masked individual that smelled of the sea, spoke with a gender neutral voice and gave off alien vibes. If such a character turned up wanting to be in your team, I think you would be wary of their motivations. However, they clearly had other agents doing their bidding in the War Table missions because I think people would have noticed strange masked individuals who smelled of the sea and yet it was not easy to spot the people we were looking for. So I could easily see us being joined by a character who looks like one of the regular races, probably human, and genuinely wishes to kill Solas but once this has been achieved, is revealed to have a whole different agenda of their own.
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Post by fairdragon on May 30, 2022 11:01:46 GMT
I see that, but Trespasser also says new people. Not really the exact quote is: "Then we find people he doesn´t know" You miss the part about: "Then we find people..." I doesn't miss it. "Then we find people..." means for me Varric NPC get us a quest and information. "... he doesn't know" means for me:that we see Varric as little as possible. So Solas find us as late as possible. Varric is here an example could be any other inqusition member.
Sorry i can´t imagine that the DA 4 party has no from Inquisition member or who represent the Inquisitor.
Its one thing that the Inquisitor isn´t back as hero but no one else from the Inquisition who connects the games seems highly unlikely.
Let's agree to disagree and we will see.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on May 30, 2022 19:41:24 GMT
I doesn't miss it. "Then we find people..." means for me Varric NPC get us a quest and information. "... he doesn't know" means for me:that we see Varric as little as possible. So Solas find us as late as possible.
Varric is here an example could be any other inqusition member
First Varric wasn´t presented in this scene and second i wish it were different but there is no way that Varric DA 4 trailer line "We´ve got your back. I´ve got your back" means that he has little involvement in the story. Otherwise the line would be pretty pointless. "I´ve got your back for one / two missions. I only hope that he isn´t a companion because unlike Hanako i don´t dislike Varric but i have to agree that he would be wasted companion slot. He had his time in the series. If Varric is really back as companion i would be really piss off if Varric is like in DA 2 and DAI before the only dwarven companion.
By the way besides Varric, maybe Charter, Harding and of course a new character (but who wants that?) there aren´t that many options for returning Inquisition members if you consider that most are optional and romance options. Some of them can even die in DAI.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on May 30, 2022 20:04:01 GMT
What about Harding actually being in the game but just as a character like either Cullen or in DA2 Nathaniel or Zevran? I mean yeah she is cute and yeah it seems they like her and it’s sweet how some of you guys really fight for her but at least for me she was always more a Cullen character an NPC who is a nice addition and brings certain things in the game forward by having a specific role but not as much as being a relationship companion or “higher” NPC. I remember the times there Cullen was a pretty safe bet for DAI companion. In my opinion he should have been one instead of Blackwall but whatever. Your comparison with DA 2 Nathaniel and Zevran doesn´t fit because Harding isn´t a Quantum Character like those two in DA2. As long NPC XYZ isn´t a Quantum Character everything is possible even returning as a companion. So yeah i see Harding more like DA 2 Cassandra which absolutely shock no one that become a companion in DAI.
By the way your point remains of the pre DA 2 times. "Isabela and Merrill of all the possible DAO characters are back as companions but why not Alistair, Leliana or NPC X?" Well because Bioware likes them and want to contuine their story. That´s why.
If you can make DAO Merrill into a companion there is no limitation for other characters. How knows maybe Bioware have a good idea for a Corporal Vale as companion?
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Post by gervaise21 on May 31, 2022 8:09:16 GMT
If we will see Fenris again I really hope he will look and act less edgy (I personally liked the idea of his character but I nearly never used him cause of that vibe) I think it is unlikely they will bring back Fenris since he is a quantum character who can be either dead or in a romance with Hawke. I was upset with the way they dealt with his absence from Hawke's side in DAI (Hawke is worried he might get himself killed defending them. Really? After all they've been through together?) I was also not happy with his use in the comic series, particularly his attitude towards his former team, which seemed to suggest an embittered rivaled relationship with Hawke. So if he is brought back at all, say as an optional side-quest like we had with Nathaniel in DA2, I would want his dialogue to reflect the fact that my Hawke, even if not romanced, was his friend and they parted on good terms, not the attitude shown in the comics. I remember the times there Cullen was a pretty safe bet for DAI companion. In my opinion he should have been one instead of Blackwall but whatever. There's a simple answer to that one; they didn't need two Templar companions. If they had given Cassandra unique Seeker powers, which they should have done in my opinion, that would have been different but they didn't. Also, the whole narrative of Cullen trying to overcome his lyrium addiction would have been hard to manage with him as a companion because there would have to have been a different set of skills if he was still a lyrium imbibing Templar than if he had ditched the habit. That character development worked much better with him as an NPC Advisor as they didn't have to place constraints on the story through having to accommodate game play issues. The bit that was harder to understand was how being the commander of a religious police force in a Freemarches city state had qualified him to be an expert on military affairs generally. Still, I suppose the Inquisition was intended to be the Divine's personal enforcement organisation when Justinia authorised its formation, so from that perspective Cullen was eminently qualified to head up its military forces. i don´t dislike Varric but i have to agree that he would be wasted companion slot. He had his time in the series. The problem is that he had had his time back in DA2. He had no reason to be at the Conclave. The reasons given for him being there which varied from being required to give the Divine his version personally (why, didn't she accept the word of her own Right and Left hands on the matter?) to the Divine being a fan of his and wanting to meet him personally (at an important political gathering? He could have come to Val Royeaux at any time) were not very convincing. Varric was unnecessary as they already had Cullen, Cassandra and Leliana as the links to previous games but the fact is he was a favourite with the writers and they knew he was popular with many players, so they forced him into the narrative. He shouldn't be in DA4 either because we understood he was now tied up with his duties as Viscount in Kirkwall and his attendance at the Exalted Council was appropriate in that context. Having him turn up in Tevinter and encounter your PC is just about justified in his position as Viscount because of trade links with Tevinter and his own personal connection with Maevaris, but for him to then be made a companion would be ridiculous. So I'm hoping the "I've got your back" is just referring to the fact that he is part of the network trying to counter Solas, not that he is literally part of your team. I agree that if Varric came back as a companion, it would be a wasted slot. If he was the only dwarf, it would be terrible. I like Harding and would be happy to have her as a companion. However, I would be even more pleased if we had some totally new dwarf companions, preferably one male and one female and at least one if not both a romance option. I do like the idea of Valta returning as a companion and being the first ever dwarf able to do magic. However, more likely she is going to be a contact in the Deep Roads at some point and possibly a temporary companion, like Morrigan in DAI, whilst we undertake a mission there with her help.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on May 31, 2022 17:44:24 GMT
I think it is unlikely they will bring back Fenris since he is a quantum character who can be either dead or in a romance with Hawke...So if he is brought back at all, say as an optional side-quest like we had with Nathaniel in DA2, I would want his dialogue to reflect the fact that my Hawke, even if not romanced, was his friend and they parted on good terms, not the attitude shown in the comics. I can imagine that Fenris could get a similiar screentime like the Hawkes grey warden contact. It also could be explained why Fenris left Hawke (even if romanced) for some time if Bioware want to flesh out the Fog Warriors faction because Fenris has some unfinished business with them. Edit: By the way its a bit bizarre that almost nobody is talking about the Fog Warriors. I agree even without a Cullen as companion Cassandra should always have a Seeker specialization. So of course if Cullen had been a companion there would be a bigger (gameplay) difference between him and Cassandra. If Cullen would have been a companion who said that he still has the same personal quest about his lyrium addiction if you can easy replace with another story? Maybe his story is more about the corruption through the Red Templars or a much better version of dealing with (Cookie lover) Carroll. Its a bit forced but unlike DA4 Varric has been a great addition of the DAI cast. Yes its also the DA 2 fanservice but there enough reasons why he was a good idea. His interactions with Cassandra, that we finally see the real Bianca, meeting Hawke through Varric, explaining and making fun of DA 2 and Legacy events. Edit: Or even of strange Bioware decisions like the Orsino boss encounter. Yes there is Cassandra but i would argue that Varric was still needed. Before DAI there has been a strange time where everything regarding DA 2 was pretty much dispised by some fans. So it has a good statement that Bioware was proud of DA 2 and doesn´t ignore it in bringing Varric back. Saying all this about Varric and DAI i agree 100% that his time in this series has been (mostly) finished. He is writen out beautifully as Kirkwall new Viscount (i guess not when DA 4 takes places) in Trespasser so why bring him back. Varric isn´t Garrus!!! Yes he is easy to bring back from a writers view but like Leliana before too much screentime for even a beloved character like Varric is a terrible idea. It was the right move in DAI but for DA 4 it would be terrible because there is nothing new or left to explore with Varric. Some lame jokes about his time as Viscount? Please No. My personal hope is that Varric is just like Morrigan in DAI if we were comparing her DAI trailer with his. But there is little doubt that he is isn´t a major NPC in DA 4.
I mean just alone for all of Hinterlands jokes Bioware have to made her into a companion. Sorry but i still dislike the idea of a dwarven mage companion. I really liked that dwarves can´t cast magic it made this race more unique.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 31, 2022 18:10:22 GMT
I think it is unlikely they will bring back Fenris since he is a quantum character who can be either dead or in a romance with Hawke...So if he is brought back at all, say as an optional side-quest like we had with Nathaniel in DA2, I would want his dialogue to reflect the fact that my Hawke, even if not romanced, was his friend and they parted on good terms, not the attitude shown in the comics. I can imagine that Fenris could get a similiar screentime like the Hawkes grey warden contact. It also could be explained why Fenris left Hawke (even if romanced) for some time if Bioware want to flesh out the Fog Warriors faction because Fenris has some unfinished business with them. Edit: By the way its a bit bizarre that almost nobody is talking about the Fog Warriors. If Cullen would have been a companion who said that he still has the same personal quest about his lyrium addiction if you can easy replace with another story? Maybe his story is more about the corruption through the Red Templars or a much better version of dealing with (Cookie lover) Carroll. It’s already been addressed what Fenris has been doing during this time, both during DAI hunting slavers and then the years after he was the Blue Wraith. As for Cullen, that’s exactly the problem Gervaise was saying. If Cullen was a companion, they couldn’t tell that unique story they did with him. Prefer what they did a lot more than a story of him dealing with Templar corruption, especially since that’s already dealt with elsewhere.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 31, 2022 18:20:23 GMT
Edit: By the way its a bit bizarre that almost nobody is talking about the Fog Warriors I think that is largely because of the fact that Seheron seems to have pretty much dropped out of the picture in recent associated media. Prior to Tevinter Nights, the short stories, bts video and other concept art, I had been looking forward to the possibility of a Fog Warrior companion and potentially helping them liberate their homeland. At the very least there seemed scope there to introduce much new lore about the development of human civilisation in the north, based off the hints given in World of Thedas. However, nothing we have been shown or has been written about seems to have anything to do with Seheron, so may be they are keeping that for a future game. That doesn't preclude the possibility of a Fog Warrior companion as they could have left the island voluntarily or because they were captured by either the Qun or Tevinter. It just seems less likely than it did at one time. If anything they seem to have been replaced by the Executors as a new faction we are likely to encounter that have knowledge about the relationship of the ancient elves to other races. What would be an interesting dynamic for the party would likely be having both a Fog Warrior and an agent of the Executors within it. The Fog Warriors seem to have a positive view of the elves. The Fog Dancers teach that their ancient heroes learned at the feet of the elves. This has always intrigued me because I wondered which faction of elves they were associated with, particularly after Solas seemed to have put such a negative spin on everyone but his own side, an impression not exactly rebutted by the Horror of Hormack which only seemed to confirm the depravity of the gods. So a Fog Warrior or Fog Dancer could give another perspective that is neither so idealised as the Dalish nor as condemning as Solas. Also, depending on the origins of the Neromenians and whether this has any connection with the homeland of the Executors, a Fog Warrior might also either be able to tell us about this group or spot their agent among us, assuming they are trying to keep their identity hidden. So I haven't completely given up hope of having a Fog Warrior companion and it would be a pleasant surprise if we did.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on May 31, 2022 18:29:06 GMT
It’s already been addressed what Fenris has been doing during this time, both during DAI hunting slavers and then the years after he was the Blue Wraith. And? There is still room for him showing up with some Fog Warriors. This part of Fenris past isn´t done. This is a matter of taste. I am more interesting in his part than his Lyrium (drug) addiction. Also this isn´t really that new. In my opinion exploring this plot was more than enough with Samson in DA2 and DAI. But it is what it is so whatever. I only hope for Cullen in DA 4 that Bioware won´t kill him off because his english voice actor went crazy.
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