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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 31, 2022 18:35:00 GMT
It’s already been addressed what Fenris has been doing during this time, both during DAI hunting slavers and then the years after he was the Blue Wraith. And? There is still room for him showing up with some Fog Warriors. This part of Fenris past isn´t done. This is a matter of taste. I am more interesting in his part than his Lyrium (drug) addiction. Also this isn´t really that new. In my opinion exploring this plot was more than enough with Samson in DA2 and DAI. But it is what it is so whatever. I only hope for Cullen in DA 4 that Bioware won´t kill him off because his english voice actor went crazy.
If that part of his past came back, I’d imagine it far more likely they would treat him as an enemy since he massacred an entire group of them after everything they had done for him. I doubt Cullen will show up due to all the various ways he can end up in DAI. If he does, they’ll probably just recast. Also how is that not a new story for BioWare to do with a character?
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Post by gervaise21 on May 31, 2022 18:36:57 GMT
As for Cullen, that’s exactly the problem Gervaise was saying. If Cullen was a companion, they couldn’t tell that unique story they did with him. Prefer what they did a lot more than a story of him dealing with Templar corruption, especially since that’s already dealt with elsewhere. I agree. I thought that was a very effective narrative about someone struggling with addiction and, provided you supported him in kicking the habit, did provide hope for other Templars, particularly if we saved the greater part of the order from the corruption of the Red Templars. We had seen plenty of examples of what lyrium deprivation did to Templars in both DAO and DA2, plus the dementia suffered by veterans of the order. Helping Cullen prove there was a way back for those not too far gone and then him setting up a retirement home for those who were, was actually an instance of the Inquisitor doing something that had a lasting effect that was not reduced by Trespasser. So I am glad they didn't make him a companion and went with that unique story.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 31, 2022 18:42:55 GMT
In my opinion exploring this plot was more than enough with Samson in DA2 and DAI. No, Samson was entirely different. He never entirely kicked the habit and in the end it consumed him. There is nothing positive about his story. He was just another victim of the Chantry. I've always viewed the Templars as being controlled by the Chantry as much as the mages. Alistair hinted that the use of lyrium was probably as much about keeping them under control as providing them with a means of dealing with corrupt mages. There were a lot of good, genuinely devout and moral Templars and Cullen's story showed a way to help them. Samson's story was tragic but ultimately he sided with evil against the ordinary people of Thedas, so there was nothing uplifting in that.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 1, 2022 6:29:53 GMT
I think it is unlikely they will bring back Fenris since he is a quantum character who can be either dead or in a romance with Hawke. I was upset with the way they dealt with his absence from Hawke's side in DAI (Hawke is worried he might get himself killed defending them. Really? After all they've been through together?) I was also not happy with his use in the comic series, particularly his attitude towards his former team, which seemed to suggest an embittered rivaled relationship with Hawke. So if he is brought back at all, say as an optional side-quest like we had with Nathaniel in DA2, I would want his dialogue to reflect the fact that my Hawke, even if not romanced, was his friend and they parted on good terms, not the attitude shown in the comics. They will as always. The comic is the world state for new player or player which aren't use the keep, i believe.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 1, 2022 6:44:50 GMT
My personal hope is that Varric is just like Morrigan in DAI if we were comparing her DAI trailer with his Agree!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 1, 2022 7:55:58 GMT
I think it is unlikely they will bring back Fenris since he is a quantum character who can be either dead or in a romance with Hawke. I was upset with the way they dealt with his absence from Hawke's side in DAI (Hawke is worried he might get himself killed defending them. Really? After all they've been through together?) I was also not happy with his use in the comic series, particularly his attitude towards his former team, which seemed to suggest an embittered rivaled relationship with Hawke. So if he is brought back at all, say as an optional side-quest like we had with Nathaniel in DA2, I would want his dialogue to reflect the fact that my Hawke, even if not romanced, was his friend and they parted on good terms, not the attitude shown in the comics. They will as always. The comic is the world state for new player or player which aren't use the keep, i believe. The comic like all of the expanded universe material is canon “except when it conflicts with player canon”. Like how the events of Asunder happen without Wynne if she died in DAO, or how the events with Alistair have him be a Warden instead of a king of the player didn’t have him crowned. In Fenris’s case, the writers wrote him as best they could to fit whatever relationship he had with Hawke, and if he is dead then that part of the comic happened without him.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 1, 2022 9:28:58 GMT
In Fenris’s case, the writers wrote him as best they could to fit whatever relationship he had with Hawke, and if he is dead then that part of the comic happened without him. In which case, since the story can happen without him, why bring him back at all in something that is effectively going to be canon? It is one of the problems I have generally with bringing back major characters, who can have different outcomes in the game, in a time period after that in which the game takes place in a book or comic where allowance cannot be made for that differing outcome. The precedent was set, of course, in David Gaider's comic series involving Alistair. Saying the events could happen in the same way if Alistair was still a Warden, or a hopeless drunk or dead, doesn't really make sense. Would Alistair still have the same motivation to look for his father if not a reluctant king? Wouldn't he be too busy doing his duties as a Warden or too drunk to care? There is an outcome in DAO where you can condemn him to death, although I admit that death seems anything but final in Dragon Age when a helpful spirit can just resurrect or imitate you. Now I thought that originally it was said that the comics should not be regarded as canon but may be I am misremembering that. Nevertheless, whilst I do enjoy reading the associated media, I do not think they should have undue influence on the characters that heavily feature in the games after their involvement, particularly if they are going to feature again in the future. If the events in Asunder could happen without Wynne, then write a different character to initiate them. If events in the latest comic series could happen without Fenris, then leave him out so we don't have a situation where his attitude towards Hawke does not chime with our experience in game. Either that or admit that the books and comics just reflect the writer's favoured world state, in other words are effectively fan fiction, but have no actual bearing on the game. As it is, it would seem Asunder was written to explain why events didn't follow the sequence we were told about in the epilogue to DA2. As we now know, this is because the story should have been concluded in Exalted March and that would have provided the link to DAI. When the DLC was cancelled, important aspects of it were transferred over into the first act of DAI but then the narrative flow from DA2 to DAI didn't make sense, so Asunder filled the gap. Now instead of Anders' actions triggering the mage revolt, it merely increased tension in the Circles, which to be honest we had been given no real indication of being the case outside of Kirkwall. Still, it was possible to see how an illegal annulment would have outraged mages across the south and the epilogue to DA2 definitely made the direct connection between the events in Kirkwall and the breakdown of the Circle system. Cassandra immediately heading to Kirkwall to discover what had happened was logical. However, having Anders blow up the Chantry and then the Divine and her two main enforcers waiting 2 years to thoroughly investigate what happened in the city made absolutely no sense at all. Actually I have now thought of a reason it took them that long to track down Varric; it took 2 years for his book to be published and that alerted them to his involvement in the events, although if they had done their job properly immediately after the bombing, I'm sure it wouldn't have been that difficult to identify Hawke's associates without the aid of Varric's book. Anyway, so far as continuing characters are concerned, I think it would be better if they avoided using characters that have been our close companions unless they do allow for the differing relationships we could have had with them. Of course, with Solas that is not possible. Even there, I feel that Solas as portrayed in Tevinter Nights was assuming a positive relationship with the Inquisitor, which totally ignored those world states where they were not on good terms. In such a case, why would Solas be continuing to apologise to the Inquisitor for his actions when he felt no need to do so in Trespasser? If you punched Solas in DAI or simply say you don't want to hear another of his endless monologues, then he dispenses with the regret about what he did in the past or must do in the future and just states the facts, which were: My actions in the past led to the downfall of my people; I am going to restore them; you are all probably going to die as a result; your death will lead to senseless chaos so I'm going to save you; enjoy what time you have left; incidentally I loath the Qunari which is why I helped you stop them; Bye. Now are you saying you would be happy for them to ignore this in any subsequent encounter that our next PC has with Solas and just assume they were on good terms when he left them? Or worse, assume that if the Keep shows you vowed to stop him at all costs, that it reflects our Inquisitor was not on good terms with Solas. In my case, the anger my male Lavellan felt towards him at the end of Trespasser was not because he had always been antagonistic towards him but because he had seen Solas as a friend and felt absolutely betrayed by him. Presumably Solas in Tevinter Nights was not able to appreciate this nuance if he continued to convey a "crocodile tears" apology to his former friend.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 1, 2022 10:35:51 GMT
In Fenris’s case, the writers wrote him as best they could to fit whatever relationship he had with Hawke, and if he is dead then that part of the comic happened without him. In which case, since the story can happen without him, why bring him back at all in something that is effectively going to be canon? It is one of the problems I have generally with bringing back major characters, who can have different outcomes in the game, in a time period after that in which the game takes place in a book or comic where allowance cannot be made for that differing outcome. Would you prefer there were no additional material? With major characters the additional material will sell better (marketing). Now I thought that originally it was said that the comics should not be regarded as canon but may be I am misremembering that. Nevertheless, whilst I do enjoy reading the associated media, I do not think they should have undue influence on the characters that heavily feature in the games after their involvement, particularly if they are going to feature again in the future. If the events in Asunder could happen without Wynne, then write a different character to initiate them. If events in the latest comic series could happen without Fenris, then leave him out so we don't have a situation where his attitude towards Hawke does not chime with our experience in game. Either that or admit that the books and comics just reflect the writer's favoured world state, in other words are effectively fan fiction, but have no actual bearing on the game. Fan fiction? Then i couldn't read them because of copyright. I think you mean they should tell you that the story's have no impact on the game, but then they don't need them. These stories were published to tell the story between these games. Anyway, so far as continuing characters are concerned, I think it would be better if they avoided using characters that have been our close companions unless they do allow for the differing relationships we could have had with them. If you want that, there are 2 options, 1. no additional material 2. introduce character from the next game, but then you will spoil something.
I prefer what they doing now. The additional material is one world state and i know that when i read it and the game have different world state. No problem for me.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 1, 2022 11:11:09 GMT
extend: Okay, if you see it that way then 9 Companions. I think 3 mage, 3 rogue and 3 warrior. which is very likely? 1 female Qunari 100% - rogue/warrior? mage if she isn't part of the qun. Greater Dead (a complex spirit in the corpse of a Nevarren) I think a grey warden is very likely. I hope for a female one and rogue. Someone from Tevinter is a safe bet. We have to little information.I hope for more information on the next companions.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 1, 2022 13:46:42 GMT
The comic is the world state for new player or player which aren't use the keep, i believe. The additional material is one world state and i know that when i read it and the game have different world state. This would be fine except that is not necessarily the case. What you are saying is that the default world state is the one from the comics/stories/novels. That is fine when they have simply chosen from one of the various choices in the Keep for their default state and it impacts no more than, for example, who is monarch of Ferelden in DA2 and DAI, or whether we get the secondary quest for Natheniel or some random dwarf in DA2. I must admit, I don't know how they managed the encounter with Wynne in Awakening if she had been killed in DAO but I do know they actually reference the fact that you struck down Oghran in DAO when he comes back in that expansion. So at least they acknowledged it conflicted with your previous actions. Ditto if the epilogue to Awakening suggests Anders died at Vigil's Keep. Nathaniel expresses surprise at seeing him and then Anders explains how he faked his death. So it is possible to work around contradictions with previous choices. Now I don't necessarily mind seeing a character appear in associated media. My objection is based on them speaking about their relationship with my PC that is not consistent with my experience if that is then going to become the "canon" for the next game. So, if Fenris did turn up next game and spoke of Hawke and the rest of the team in a disparaging way only if you had selected the default state or one of your own that matched the criteria, that would be okay. Otherwise, I would expect him to reflect a different attitude when following my world state. To my mind, it would have been better for Fenris to have a more neutral attitude in the comics, just as Wynne never expresses any strong view about the Warden in Asunder, so it remained consistent with any world state. Would you prefer there were no additional material? With major characters the additional material will sell better (marketing). I like associated material and to be honest would buy it regardless of whether I know a familiar character is going to be in it or not. I bought Asunder on its own merits and wasn't even aware Wynne was going to be in it. Neither Masked Empire nor Last Flight contained characters we had previously encountered, with the exception of small cameo appearances for Leliana and Teagan in Masked Empire, and I'm pretty sure they sold well simply because of the Dragon Age branding. Each of these novels had interesting characters of their own that enhanced our understanding of the game world but the stories were enjoyable without needing to have played the games. The same was true of Tevinter Nights, where the number of cameo appearances was kept to a minimum. Fan fiction? Then i couldn't read them because of copyright. I don't quite get your point here as I was making an analogy when it comes to how I view them. I wasn't saying they were literally fan fiction, although I have published such stories on line set in Thedas, which people have read and posted comments about, just as I have about their stories. Why aren't you allowed to read them? We don't make money from them. 2. introduce character from the next game, but then you will spoil something. I think it only spoils something if you are expected to read the material in order to understand the character when you encounter them. There have been several characters from Tevinter Nights I wouldn't mind meeting next game because the short story was not enough time to explore them fully. Also, did you read Asunder before you played DAI? If so, did it spoil Cole for you? I know it didn't for me.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 2, 2022 9:03:38 GMT
I don't quite get your point here as I was making an analogy when it comes to how I view them. I wasn't saying they were literally fan fiction, although I have published such stories on line set in Thedas, which people have read and posted comments about, just as I have about their stories. Why aren't you allowed to read them? We don't make money from them. You are right, I misunderstood you. Sorry, maybe my bad english. fan fiction online are okay. I think it only spoils something if you are expected to read the material in order to understand the character when you encounter them. There have been several characters from Tevinter Nights I wouldn't mind meeting next game because the short story was not enough time to explore them fully. Also, did you read Asunder before you played DAI? If so, did it spoil Cole for you? I know it didn't for me. No i haven't read it, but spoilers are no problems for me. The more i know before the better. For me the additional material help to understand the world, not the people. The qunari war, What happend in antiva and so on. Book is book the games are the games.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 2, 2022 11:18:36 GMT
For me the additional material help to understand the world, not the people. The qunari war, What happend in antiva and so on. Book is book the games are the games. Tevinter Nights certainly introduced new aspects to the mix which have left me with a lot of unanswered questions. Looking forward to seeing how they develop these ideas in the next game and hopefully getting a few answers.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 10, 2022 12:11:44 GMT
omg a new concept art dropped! jk just some very early concept drawing of myself * and of course not a full party (unfortunately) - need a bigger paper x) *i know it looks childish drawn Nice tiddies
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Post by agentchieftain on Jun 10, 2022 16:46:41 GMT
I think it would be cool if either Samson or Calpernia were made companions; assuming you ended things by making Cullen Samson's handler, and warned Calpernia about Corypheus. Kinda like the Ashley/Kaiden dynamic in Mass Effect, where a branching story choice changes who's in your party.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 11, 2022 10:09:05 GMT
I think it would be cool if either Samson or Calpernia were made companions; assuming you ended things by making Cullen Samson's handler, and warned Calpernia about Corypheus. Kinda like the Ashley/Kaiden dynamic in Mass Effect, where a branching story choice changes who's in your party. I was bored of Samson in DA2 and relieved to kill him in DAI. Can't say i'm particularly fond of Calpernia either. So i hope that neither take up companion space.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jun 11, 2022 14:05:39 GMT
I think it would be cool if either Samson or Calpernia were made companions; assuming you ended things by making Cullen Samson's handler, and warned Calpernia about Corypheus. Kinda like the Ashley/Kaiden dynamic in Mass Effect, where a branching story choice changes who's in your party. I never had the impression that Bioware want to contiune with Samson unlike Calpernia. His story is done and i think that he is very likely already be dead at Trespasser regardless of player choices. I mean the Samson line: "The Red Lyrium will steal your vengeance. You know what it does. Corypheus only delayed my corruption" So i really don´t see Samson returning in DAD which likely is set 8 years after Trespasser.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 11, 2022 14:53:57 GMT
His story is done and i think that he is very likely already be dead at Trespasser regardless of player choices. I think you are right about this. If DAD does start in 9:52 that will be 10 years after the end of DAI. He would definitely have been consumed by the red lyrium by now. Look what it did to Fiona in the Dark Future and that was only one year. At best he would have been transformed into an inhuman juggernaut. Besides he wasn't that interesting to begin with as an enemy. Calpernia is the only one who had any potential for a return, whether as friend or foe. I can't see her sticking with the Venatori, though, if she saw what they were willing to do to slaves with it and she really can't have failed to hear about the events of the Wigmaker Job. More likely she is behind the slave liberation movement or that strange anti-Venatori group led by the Viper, which may or may not be connected with the former.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jun 11, 2022 15:10:21 GMT
At best he would have been transformed into an inhuman juggernaut. Exatly. What´s the point in doing that? Just for the sake to have a boss battle. Also i doubt that new players who starts with DAD needs to know about Samson or the red templars. I mean he could be interestering in theory because he had potential in DA 2 but it´s pretty weird that Corypheus saw something big in Samson. By the way this isn´t something new from DAI. They already have hinted at this in Legacy.
Also his reasons to become a villian is pretty dumb. Yes he is mad at the church and mainly Meredith but that end is even worse than Meredith and the church have ever been. And this couldn´t be explained by the red lyrium because he was way more immune than others.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 11, 2022 17:40:02 GMT
Also his reasons to become a villian is pretty dumb. Yes he is mad at the church and mainly Meredith but that end is even worse than Meredith and the church have ever been. And this couldn´t be explained by the red lyrium because he was way more immune than others. His about face was odd. Do you remember when he comes to greet us, having left the rebel group of mages and templars because of what Grace(?) was doing? He bemoans about what mages can do which mundanes can't and seems quite willing to take his old job back if you speak up for him to Cullen. So seeing him alongside Corypheus was way big a surprise than seeing Corypheus himself. This is one of the big, bad mages of the past, capable of far more than any of that pathetic lot in Kirkwall and yet he jumps at the chance to join him? I think we missed out on some important details with regard to that. The best I can come up with is that his lyrium addiction was so bad, he couldn't help himself. I mean he could be interestering in theory because he had potential in DA 2 but it´s pretty weird that Corypheus saw something big in Samson. Sorry, I never saw much potential in him. It was clear he wasn't a bad sort because he tried to help Madox get love letters to his girl friend and then when that went badly wrong for them both, he stuck by him (although we didn't discover that until DAI) but he didn't seem anything remarkable apart from that. What seems harder to explain is why Corypheus selected him of all the Templars he could have had. With Calpernia he recognised the raw talent she possessed but if anything Samson was the opposite. Did it amuse Corypheus to raise up the lowliest Templar he possibly could? Perhaps that was it; it was another way of thumbing his nose at the Chantry. I took this wreck of a man that you destroyed and look what I did with him. Now tell me that isn't the act of a god?
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jun 11, 2022 18:09:46 GMT
This is one of the big, bad mages of the past, capable of far more than any of that pathetic lot in Kirkwall and yet he jumps at the chance to join him? I think we missed out on some important details with regard to that. The best I can come up with is that his lyrium addiction was so bad, he couldn't help himself. Aren´ t you aware of this codex entry? "Yesterday, I saw a man I could swear was Larius, just walking around Lowtown. I wasn't sure at first, but that armor, that hair... he's unmistakable. He was talking to Samson, of all people. I can't imagine what a Grey Warden commander and an ex-templar vagrant have in common, but they seemed intent in their discussion. When I came closer, Larius pulled Samson into a doorway—I don't know if he saw me or not, but it seemed almost like they were avoiding me."
I think that Corypheus recruited in disguise as Larius / Janeka and promise him to become important again as new Templar leader i guess. Also his lyrium (normal and red) resistance seems quite high.
Edit: Or let Samson explain it himself.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 11, 2022 19:07:25 GMT
I think that Corypheus recruited in disguise as Larius / Janeka and promise him to become important again as new Templar leader i guess. Also his lyrium (normal and red) resistance seems quite high. Yet, he admits he was crawling in the gutter when Corypheus found him. That was how he was in DA2; by his own admission he was a wreck because of needing his lyrium fix. Now it is possible that the red stuff didn't affect him quite so badly when it was withdrawn but when you speak to him in prison it hasn't been that long. Clearly, they also went with the narrative that he didn't get his old job back. As for Corypheus being in disguise, that makes even less sense because that would make him a Grey Warden. What did they have to do with running the Templars? Still, it might explain how Corypheus got admission to the Conclave. Whilst our memory seems to show him vaguely as his true form, it would make far more sense that he arrived there in the company of an ex-Templar and some Warden mages (he could even be a mage himself), so was allowed admittance as a group with an interest in proceedings. Then perhaps Samson was sent off to get things rolling with the Templars at Therinfall, which is why he wasn't caught up in the explosion.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Jun 11, 2022 19:42:02 GMT
Also his reasons to become a villian is pretty dumb. Yes he is mad at the church and mainly Meredith but that end is even worse than Meredith and the church have ever been. And this couldn´t be explained by the red lyrium because he was way more immune than others. His about face was odd. Do you remember when he comes to greet us, having left the rebel group of mages and templars because of what Grace(?) was doing? He bemoans about what mages can do which mundanes can't and seems quite willing to take his old job back if you speak up for him to Cullen. So seeing him alongside Corypheus was way big a surprise than seeing Corypheus himself. This is one of the big, bad mages of the past, capable of far more than any of that pathetic lot in Kirkwall and yet he jumps at the chance to join him? I think we missed out on some important details with regard to that. The best I can come up with is that his lyrium addiction was so bad, he couldn't help himself. I mean he could be interestering in theory because he had potential in DA 2 but it´s pretty weird that Corypheus saw something big in Samson. Sorry, I never saw much potential in him. It was clear he wasn't a bad sort because he tried to help Madox get love letters to his girl friend and then when that went badly wrong for them both, he stuck by him (although we didn't discover that until DAI) but he didn't seem anything remarkable apart from that. What seems harder to explain is why Corypheus selected him of all the Templars he could have had. With Calpernia he recognised the raw talent she possessed but if anything Samson was the opposite. Did it amuse Corypheus to raise up the lowliest Templar he possibly could? Perhaps that was it; it was another way of thumbing his nose at the Chantry. I took this wreck of a man that you destroyed and look what I did with him. Now tell me that isn't the act of a god? Hah, Grace is like DA2's go-to argument for any mage-hater. Though I'm kinda fond of the fan idea swapping the DAI roles of Samson and Cullen. I know that they would have never done this because Samson isn't supposed to look attractive.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jun 11, 2022 19:54:30 GMT
Clearly, they also went with the narrative that he didn't get his old job back. As for Corypheus being in disguise, that makes even less sense because that would make him a Grey Warden. What did they have to do with running the Templars? Have you read Samson short story?
"When Meredith finally snapped and Kirkwall went up in flames, Samson tracked Maddox down. No one could make things right for him, but there had to be more to a boy’s life than that. The surviving templars tried to restore peace to the city. Anyone who had once worn the Sword of Mercy—even broken-down misfits—was needed to help quell the rebelling mages. Samson tried to help, but what was he meant to do? Just forget? He’d seen both sides of things now, from the Gallows and the gutter. Pressed by the Circle’s rules, mages like the children that Samson had once helped were willingly giving themselves over to demons. First Enchanter Orsino, who Samson remembered as a kindly sort, had gone as bad as a mage could go. And his brother and sister templars? The Kirkwall chapter had been under Meredith’s thumbscrews for so long that they barely knew right from wrong. For all Meredith’s railing against blood magic controlling people, fear had twisted the templars’ minds just as well. That fear only grew after the young Knight-Captain, Cullen, left the city to follow some Seeker on Chantry business. With no new orders, the Kirkwall templars floundered. There was no relief anywhere. Every day more reports of the mage rebellion came in and how templars were fighting it. Hearing them, Samson could smell the blood and smoke of the war, how the Chantry’s impossible demands on both mages and templars were tearing the world apart. One night, with his lyrium stash dry and Maddox sleeping at the shelter, Samson went to the Hanged Man to drink it all away. Halfway through the second mug, he noticed a dwarf with strange eyes lingering nearby. The dwarf mumbled that there was someone upstairs asking for Samson by name. Curious, Samson left the cheery noise of the bar, climbed the dark stairs to a near-empty room, and found a figure staring into the embers in the fireplace. At first he thought the stranger was wearing Grey Warden armor. But the silhouette seemed to alter as he came inside: becoming taller, misshapen, with an aura of powerful magic. Samson drew his sword, filled with a templar’s instincts, but the stranger just stood there, patiently, until Samson lowered it. He felt like those cold eyes were staring right through him. Then the stranger said: “This place is foreign to me. Explain clearly: what is a templar?” And Samson realized he had no real answer any more. Someone who protected mages? These days, the Order was putting half of them to the sword, or worse. Maddox’s mind had been destroyed, and the grand cleric barely slapped Meredith on the wrist. A soldier for the Chantry? Templars endured the horrors of magic—abominations, demons, blood mages—on the Chantry’s behalf, and what thanks did they get? A pat on the head and lyrium for the nightmares. A knight of the Maker, then? But what just and loving Maker would let his templars suffer like this? Samson’s broken prayers, during those long agonizing nights of withdrawal, had been met with silence. “The Order deserves better,” he said aloud, without thinking. “We trusted them: we deserve better than being used until our minds are washed away.” His anger boiled close to the surface. “They treat us like animals. Their own templars!” The stranger held up a lyrium vial, glowing red instead of blue. Samson eyed it sidelong, remembering Meredith’s end and the power she wielded. “If you could tear this upstart Chantry out by the roots,” the stranger asked, “bring about a new Order, what price would you be willing to pay?” “If it gave one templar a better end than mine,” Samson said, “I’d pour out my own blood for it. But I burned out long ago. You’re asking the wrong man.” “I think not,” the stranger answered, holding out the vial for Samson to take. As simple as handing him a paper bird. Things began to change after that. Samson paid the stranger’s price, would pay it forever, but he knew what he was buying. So did many other like-minded templars. As for the rest of the Order… Samson looked into the face of his guilt and accepted that too. If it meant a world where the Chantry’s crimes could never happen again, so be it. And when you got to the core of it, Samson was burned out. His day was over… or so he’d thought. But this stranger—full of real wisdom and power, not just waffling about some unseen Maker—had seen past it all into Samson’s heart. When he could have picked any perfect, pious recruit, it was Samson to whom the stranger had offered command again—of an army that could put an end to all this. Samson came to realize a few things. For one, soldiers would still follow where he led. He never asked a templar to do anything he wasn’t willing to do himself, which was a start. With a steady supply of lyrium, his nerves settled, his wits sharpened, and he could strategize again. Samson braced himself for the changes he’d seen in Meredith and in his soldiers… but those changes never came, not for him. The stranger spoke of the protection his magic could offer, but when Samson drank the red, he felt the stranger watching him, curiously. In time that brought the second realization. Now that Samson had all the lyrium he wanted, he could look at the dosages he actually needed with a clear head. A nasty suspicion grew as he held up those ruby vials to the light. What if there was more to his addiction than he had thought? What if it had begun in some sort of… resistance to the lyrium, rather than a weakness for it? Or was that just another salve for his pride? What if, what if. He could never be sure, now. But even the idea, and the trust placed in him, got him standing straight again, marching at the vanguard of his templars with their banner fluttering overhead. He would lead them to a glorious end, wherever that might be. Samson hadn’t failed, after all. And he wasn’t lost. He had been chosen." dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Short_Story:_Paper_%26_Steel
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 12, 2022 8:38:43 GMT
Have you read Samson short story? To my mind, it still confirms my idea that the lyrium addiction affected his thinking. Once he had imbibed the red stuff, there is also the possibility that Corypheus could do this via the Blight. It is easy enough to understand how Corypheus was able to manipulate him and other Templars because the Chantry had betrayed them down the years. I've always maintained that from when I played DAO. The Templars were as much the victims of the Chantry as the mages. They were told the lyrium could grant them powers to combat magic but at a terrible price. Cullen was extremely lucky he was able to go cold turkey and survive it with his mind intact. Look what happened to that poor Templar locked in Howe's dungeon for weeks on end. Evangeline confirmed that is what normally happens. Then there was that old Templar standing in front of the Chantry in Denerim, essentially suffering from senile dementia because his mind couldn't function properly any more, with or without lyrium. This is the control the Chantry possessed over them. So of course Corypheus coming along with some relief and a convincing argument why they should support him, would get them signed up to his faction. The more senior Templars would likely be the most susceptible. Clearly, though, Corypheus didn't reveal what he really was and they thought they were still being helped in their crusade against the mages, by being supported in their rejection of the Chantry that had at one time held their leash. This was the irony of the situation. When Corypheus comes for us in Haven with the Templars, they clearly still think they are opposing the mage rebellion, just as if he comes with the mages they are opposing the Templars. For either side in opposition, the fact that our organisation was authorised by the dead Divine and given the name of a faction associated with the formation of the Circles under the control of the Chantry, would only have assisted in maintaining his hold over them. Strangely enough Fiona, an ex Warden, subverted the Circles by becoming Grand Enchanter to further her own agenda, so I suppose it is easy enough to see how Corpheus, passing as a Warden, could do the same once the Templars were cast adrift and struggling to cope without their lyrium supply. Then Corypheaus corrupted the real Grey Wardens too. However, when Clarel realised who was behind Erimond, she came to her senses and rejected him. Yet Samson had to have become aware of his true identity at some point but continued to serve. It seems like he acknowledged he had come so far he really had no other option but I'm fairly certain the red lyrium warped his thinking as well.
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Post by cailan33 on Jun 12, 2022 11:30:48 GMT
omg a new concept art dropped! jk just some very early concept drawing of myself * and of course not a full party (unfortunately) - need a bigger paper x) *i know it looks childish drawn Nice tiddies
i mean nothing wrong about tiddies am i right? (i also just draw it cause i wanted to aim for a more mature setting. (liked isabella in da2 and morrigan in dao for obvious reasons (not the only ones ofc lol) and missed this a bit in dai but i thought its not much. (i mean the female dwarve wears full armor ^^)
i agree here. calpernia is way more interesting and i wouldn't mind to see her again at all as some adviser (more than varric tbh - i just had enough charming dwarve for a few games now personally) samson... isn't he also a - how you guys name it: "quantum character"? i don't think he is important at all and way less interesting than calpernia anyway.
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