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Post by therevanchist25 on May 18, 2022 19:57:26 GMT
Some of you refuse to accept this, and would rather see ME die than go down this road. Whatever. The video speaks for itself.
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Post by smilesja on May 18, 2022 20:30:13 GMT
Is this one of these arrogant "I'm a better fan than you" kind of videos? Seriously lay off the condescension, it makes you look bitter.
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Post by Polka Dot on May 18, 2022 21:55:33 GMT
So - you want EA to license ME to other developers, is that it? Quantity > quality?
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Post by ClarkKent on May 18, 2022 23:02:38 GMT
Really unexpectedly great video. I've always wanted to see what other developers could do with Mass Effect,and just more takes on the Mass Effect universe in general. Afterall why not give someone else a go? No doubt you'd get some duds but you'd get some gems - by extension the misteps would be far more forgivable knowing it's not going to be the only Mass Effect offering for a half a decade. To take a random example, A low budget Piranha games developed Mass Effect would likely be rough as hell but damn I'm sure they would bring a few interesting ideas that I'd lap up. So - you want EA to license ME to other developers, is that it? Quantity > quality? I waited five years for Andromeda. In the end I neither received quantity nor quality. Ironically I'd probably be a much bigger fan of Andromeda if it had been just a low budget shot at the wall. The fact that it will represent the only Mass Effect offering in what will be a decade worth of time only increases my resentment towards it.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 19, 2022 4:04:26 GMT
I waited five years for Andromeda. In the end I neither received quantity nor quality. People waited a really long time for Cyberpunk 2077. Based on TW3, they were dead certain it was going to be the most amazing game ever. It wasn't. There's no guarantee you'll get what you want from the best studios. What I do know is that we won't necessarily get a better product. The KOTOR remake is being handed over to a studio that's going to turn it into an action RPG. People didn't like that ME had fewer choices than KOTOR. I want to see what we get in MENext from BioWare before throwing it over to a new studio. It seems like they want to come back from MEA. And Anthem.
Edit: I liked MEA but the quantity was the biggest lack. Really bummed me out that they couldn't even bother to wrap of major plots.
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Post by ahglock on May 19, 2022 17:57:09 GMT
Is this one of these arrogant "I'm a better fan than you" kind of videos? Seriously lay off the condescension, it makes you look bitter. No its not. Its not even close to that. Seriously lay off the condescension, it makes you look bitter.
All the video is saying is he wish they'd license mass effect out to other studios so he'd have more mass effect while waiting for the mainline titles.
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Post by smilesja on May 19, 2022 18:47:57 GMT
Is this one of these arrogant "I'm a better fan than you" kind of videos? Seriously lay off the condescension, it makes you look bitter. No its not. Its not even close to that. Seriously lay off the condescension, it makes you look bitter.
All the video is saying is he wish they'd license mass effect out to other studios so he'd have more mass effect while waiting for the mainline titles.
Bitter? Lol far from it. I'm talking about the OP not the video. All needed to say was that instead of trying to say "fans want to see Mass Effect die" or whatever strawman he wants to put up.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 19, 2022 19:36:15 GMT
Is this one of these arrogant "I'm a better fan than you" kind of videos? Seriously lay off the condescension, it makes you look bitter. No its not. Its not even close to that. Seriously lay off the condescension, it makes you look bitter.
All the video is saying is he wish they'd license mass effect out to other studios so he'd have more mass effect while waiting for the mainline titles.
Didn't watch the video because, y'know, reasons. Not entirely opposed to this but what kind of game? A straight up shooter? I'm sure that will appeal to some people but not me. Which isn't to say not to do it but it won't appeal to people who are primarily interested in RPG.
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Post by ahglock on May 19, 2022 20:58:28 GMT
No its not. Its not even close to that. Seriously lay off the condescension, it makes you look bitter.
All the video is saying is he wish they'd license mass effect out to other studios so he'd have more mass effect while waiting for the mainline titles.
Didn't watch the video because, y'know, reasons. Not entirely opposed to this but what kind of game? A straight up shooter? I'm sure that will appeal to some people but not me. Which isn't to say not to do it but it won't appeal to people who are primarily interested in RPG. The video was okay with it going into a lot of different types of games, just keep the setting going. RTS, FPS, stealth game whatever.
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Post by ClarkKent on May 20, 2022 14:05:39 GMT
Didn't watch the video because, y'know, reasons. Not entirely opposed to this but what kind of game? A straight up shooter? I'm sure that will appeal to some people but not me. Which isn't to say not to do it but it won't appeal to people who are primarily interested in RPG. The video was okay with it going into a lot of different types of games, just keep the setting going. RTS, FPS, stealth game whatever. Give me a Mass Effect 2D fighter.
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Post by Evil on May 20, 2022 16:09:01 GMT
The video was okay with it going into a lot of different types of games, just keep the setting going. RTS, FPS, stealth game whatever. Give me a Mass Effect 2D fighter. You jest, but its a big enough setting with plenty of rough locales, biotic/tech enhanced people and KROGAN VANGUARD HEADBUTT ACTION that this could actually work.
Imagine street fighter, but on Omega.
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Post by Phantom on May 21, 2022 0:40:17 GMT
Give me a Mass Effect 2D fighter. You jest, but its a big enough setting with plenty of rough locales, biotic/tech enhanced people and KROGAN VANGUARD HEADBUTT ACTION that this could actually work.
Imagine street fighter, but on Omega.
i can see Omega hosting a Mortal Kombat style of tournament
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Post by ahglock on May 21, 2022 1:26:03 GMT
Give me a Mass Effect 2D fighter. You jest, but its a big enough setting with plenty of rough locales, biotic/tech enhanced people and KROGAN VANGUARD HEADBUTT ACTION that this could actually work.
Imagine street fighter, but on Omega.
There could make it a game in the setting and put some some meta to it, you see a player in 3rd person dropping a roll of credits at a 2d game and starts playing it then it focuses into the game itself like you are now in the players perspective in 1st person.
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Post by Sanunes on May 21, 2022 1:51:05 GMT
I don't see how anything like this would turn out well for BioWare. If the games are good then it becomes "why can't BioWare make Mass Effect games like this", if its bad then its "This is all BioWare's fault for allowing this travesty to happen", and then it could be "BioWare didn't force them to make the game style I wanted, this is a bad dating game". I just don't see the narrative working out knowing how people and the online gaming media take anything BioWare or EA related.
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Post by Evil on May 21, 2022 12:05:59 GMT
I don't see how anything like this would turn out well for BioWare. If the games are good then it becomes "why can't BioWare make Mass Effect games like this", if its bad then its "This is all BioWare's fault for allowing this travesty to happen", and then it could be "BioWare didn't force them to make the game style I wanted, this is a bad dating game". I just don't see the narrative working out knowing how people and the online gaming media take anything BioWare or EA related. This would likely be true in the beginning. With only a handful of 3rd party mass effect games out there'd be plenty of people salty about not getting a game that serves their personal preference, but once the rosta of available games gets big enouth to bear comparison with 40K it'd be less problematic. If theres dozens of different games to choose from, there'll probably be at least 1 that does what the individual customer wants, and they can just ignore the ones that aren't aimed at them.
Its the initial transition period that would be rough. Changing from 2 games per decade to 2 games per month doesn't happen overnight, and peoples expectations tend to linger on the old meta.
I'm not speaking purely hypothetically here, thats one of the 3 main issues GW experienced when they opened up their 40K licence.
The others being: 1/ Cheap cash in games are quicker to make than good ones, so the first wave of 3rd party games were mostly crap. 2/ An overabundance of turn based strategy games at the expense of other genres, due to many 3rd party projects all taking the most obvious option.
The issues aren't insummountable, GW already demonstrated that. But I can't see Biower being capable of pulling it off.
Besides, Biower are so far up their own ass that they'd never run the risk of being literally beaten at their own game if someone made a "Andromeda, but good" style game. Their ego wouldn't permit it.
Pity. The mass effect universe is too good to be left to rot in the same way Square Enix let Deus Ex rot.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2022 0:06:31 GMT
The idea of a Mass Effect 2D fighter in the vein of SF2 garnered an immediate response of adrenaline and an unknown yearning was revealed.
I could spend the rest of my life playing 1v1 fights against anyone and everyone, Blasto vs TIM / Kai Leng vs Miranda / Biotic Wind vs Shifty Cow / Pyjak vs Varren / Emily Wong vs Khalisah al-Jilani, Thane vs Kolyat.... it never ends.
BioWare, I will willingly re-enter the Matrix and be your very own Coppertop for this game.
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Post by smilesja on May 22, 2022 5:31:33 GMT
Eh, I could see the fandom whining about why are Bioware so focused on their side games rather than the main series.
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Post by ClarkKent on May 22, 2022 8:31:10 GMT
Eh, I could see the fandom whining about why are Bioware so focused on their side games rather than the main series. The best part is though that Bioware can continue making the main series once a decade and others could make fun little side games in the meantime. Not that I think it's ever going to happen. Bioware seem incredibly protective over their IPSs(even getting so much as a new novel seems like squeezing blood out of stone) and then you've got to consider how much EA would charge to other developers for 'renting' the IP. Still, I'll dream of an Archangel prequel developed by Platinum games or an endearing janky low budget RPG developed by Spider.
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Post by ahglock on May 22, 2022 16:06:10 GMT
Eh, I could see the fandom whining about why are Bioware so focused on their side games rather than the main series. The best part is though that Bioware can continue making the main series once a decade and others could make fun little side games in the meantime. Not that I think it's ever going to happen. Bioware seem incredibly protective over their IPSs(even getting so much as a new novel seems like squeezing blood out of stone) and then you've got to consider how much EA would charge to other developers for 'renting' the IP. Still, I'll dream of an Archangel prequel developed by Platinum games or an endearing janky low budget RPG developed by Spider. Yup, the rate at which games are coming out can kill almost any IP and they aren't GTA big. While they work on the big titles farm out other games to other studios, heck keep it in EA so no licensing crap is needed.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2022 18:37:14 GMT
Give me a danged AA powered single-game handheld with 8bit Shep v Morinth, I can hear the announcer say perfect after my very Branka/Ryu like Charge/Nova KOs the Asari murderslut.
I will buy lots of batteries.
This idea is really how it used to be, and how it should be. The games made by other studios would have to pass the BioWare loremaster before release, and their scope could be reigned by BW since they are IP controlling entity.
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Post by 10k on May 22, 2022 19:47:08 GMT
If you are suggesting EA to give the license to other developers, I agree. BW hasn't release anything decent for the ME universe since ME3 multiplayer. I would love another developer to take a stab at the property. Science fiction is my favorite genre, and it's sad that the best franchise in that genre is basically dead.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2022 20:51:03 GMT
If you are suggesting EA to give the license to other developers, I agree. BW hasn't release anything decent for the ME universe since ME3 multiplayer. I would love another developer to take a stab at the property. Science fiction is my favorite genre, and it's sad that the best franchise in that genre is basically dead. Not give, where's the greed-loving profit in that? License. Oi, you got a loicense for that? Retain control, reap money from labor of others. TRANSFORMERS, MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE.
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Post by ahglock on May 23, 2022 14:04:57 GMT
Give me a danged AA powered single-game handheld with 8bit Shep v Morinth, I can hear the announcer say perfect after my very Branka/Ryu like Charge/Nova KOs the Asari murderslut. I will buy lots of batteries. This idea is really how it used to be, and how it should be. The games made by other studios would have to pass the BioWare loremaster before release, and their scope could be reigned by BW since they are IP controlling entity. Bioware games dont pass their lore master before release why inflict that on another company.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2022 14:20:58 GMT
Give me a danged AA powered single-game handheld with 8bit Shep v Morinth, I can hear the announcer say perfect after my very Branka/Ryu like Charge/Nova KOs the Asari murderslut. I will buy lots of batteries. This idea is really how it used to be, and how it should be. The games made by other studios would have to pass the BioWare loremaster before release, and their scope could be reigned by BW since they are IP controlling entity. Bioware games dont pass their lore master before release why inflict that on another company. Yeah Harbinger, I feel this. Like a kick in the shorts.
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Post by AnDromedary on May 23, 2022 14:44:55 GMT
Some of you refuse to accept this, and would rather see ME die than go down this road. Whatever. The video speaks for itself. Good video and he has a point ... to an extent.
I am glad he is looking at the issue from multiple perspectives because he is actually acknowledging my biggest problem with licensing ME out as much as possible: Quality standards. If you put the IP in the hands of any outside developer who wants to take a crack at it (more or less), you have to concede that these people may want to get their own ideas in there, too. And that comes with quite a few possible pitfalls when it comes to the consistency of the ME universe.
Now, admittedly, consistency hasn't been a strong point of the ME universe ever since ME2, so one might ask "How much is there to loose here really?" I'd say "still quite a bit". Yes, there are some retcons and weird timeline, character and tech issues, no doubt but at least we don't have crazy stuff in the ME universe yet, like alternate universes, time travel and such. I'd really like to keep it that way and I am not sure if that would be the case if they suddenly need to support dozens of new stories, brought in by different teams with different ideas that don't necessarily coordinate.
It just screams canon-mess to me and I am glad the only time we really had that (which was the Deception novel) it basically got kicked out of the canon by fans and developers alike.
So would I like more ME content? Well, yes it would be nice but I would want it done a little differently, certainly with more care than it's handled for the Warhammer universe. And if that ultimately means we don't get more content, well, than that's fine with me, too. The fact that we didn't have a Mass Effect in years makes me all the more excited for the next one. And that's cool, too.
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