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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 3, 2022 8:39:44 GMT
Hmmm, is that vallaslin I see? Even Felassan had vallaslin and, whilst not specifically stated which god in Masked Empire, PW said it was likely that of Mythal, which I seem to recall is the vallaslin shown on the elf in that picture. So they could merely be another of his ancient elf followers or a Dalish that had left their clan having heard rumours and wanting to join up. In fact they could even have been sent by their Keeper to investigate. If our Keeper in DAI was willing to send one of their clan to investigate what was happening at a Conclave of the human religion that had traditionally been their enemy, would it not be even more likely that a Keeper of a clan, hearing rumours of an elf calling himself Fen'Harel gathering elves to him, would want to send a spy to find out what was going on? To be honest, that picture always looked odd because we know Solas was antagonistic towards the Dalish and the slide said the elves who were disappearing were servants, therefore city elves who do not have vallaslin. So why show the face of the elf having vallaslin? Perhaps the person responsible for drawing the slide was simply told to show a bunch of elves making their way into the forest and just assumed that would include Dalish. A dalish elf might well think that the god of trickery and deception is a good name sake for an insurgency/rebellion of the elves. That would be true if they knew that he was responsible for a rebellion in ancient times but the Dalish don't. He was simply a trickster who betrayed both sides in a war and doesn't really care about the fate of the elves. So if an elf is calling himself Fen'Harel, the one thing they would take from that is he shouldn't be trusted. However, as I explain above, a Keeper hearing about this might well think it concerning enough that they should send a spy to investigate. It is something I wonder about. How does Solas know he can trust every elf wanting to join him? I suppose he could consult with spirits of the Fade on the matter but if there are ways to stop your mind entering the Fade so he can locate you (as Felassan knew about in Masked Empire), may be there are also ways of preventing denizens of the Fade finding out about you. I'm not sure that the Dalish would be experts in such magic but it is a possibility.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Aug 3, 2022 9:34:38 GMT
A dalish elf might well think that the god of trickery and deception is a good name sake for an insurgency/rebellion of the elves. That would be true if they knew that he was responsible for a rebellion in ancient times but the Dalish don't. He was simply a trickster who betrayed both sides in a war and doesn't really care about the fate of the elves. So if an elf is calling himself Fen'Harel, the one thing they would take from that is he shouldn't be trusted. I didn't mean it from the point of view of him being the god of Rebellion. I meant that the god of betrayal and trickery would be a good name for a bunch of elves who plan on secretly attacking/undermining human civilisations. Slave/serants spying on and betraying their masters. Tricking groups into fighting each other like they tried to do in Tevinter nights. Straight up killing and stealing. If your group is doing this types of thing, and your elves, then naming your group and leader after the dread wolf Fen'harel is appropriate and sounds scary.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 3, 2022 17:26:03 GMT
I meant that the god of betrayal and trickery would be a good name for a bunch of elves who plan on secretly attacking/undermining human civilisations. I still think the Dalish would be very wary of a group or individual using that name. It has very bad connotations with them and they would question why these elves chose Fen'Harel as their inspiration. They believe Fen'Harel stalks the Fade, gobbling up souls, so he is not someone you want to associate with. Remember the Dalish curse is "Fen'Harel take you" and they are effectively saying "may the devil take you." Now if an elven group started these activities with their leader calling himself Shartan, that would be different. Essentially that is what Shartan seemed to be doing in his own time and it has even been suggested that his name started to be used by different slaves rebellions across the Imperium as an encouragement rather than Shartan actually having been directly responsible for leading those groups. Besides, it is not clear exactly what use Solas does have for modern elves. Most of those elves shown in Tevinter Nights seem to be different from your average city elf or Dalish, so have either been under instruction for some considerable time or are ancient elf acolytes. As for Strife, Irelin and their clan, I have my doubts about exactly who they are aligned with or whether they are really Dalish, although that could mean there are several different factions of elves running around Arlathan Forest. Either that or their clan is being used by someone, may be Solas, may be another group, without them realising who they are working for. They seemed to be following the instructions of a magical tome in that short story Ruins of Reality.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 3:29:24 GMT
Either Mythal/MorriMythal or Elgar'nan kill him; or if he can be redeemed, he is so in a way that results in his death.
Having him remain as some NPC in the world after DA:DW would be so corny.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 15, 2022 12:06:33 GMT
Either Mythal/MorriMythal or Elgar'nan kill him; or if he can be redeemed, he is so in a way that results in his death. Having him remain as some NPC in the world after DA:DW would be so corny. Just imagine, though! Whenever a new protagonist needs guidance, Solas pops up in their dreams and offers some sage advice.
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Post by helios969 on Aug 16, 2022 6:59:00 GMT
Either Mythal/MorriMythal or Elgar'nan kill him I will be disappointed if I cannot do the deed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 7:19:10 GMT
Either Mythal/MorriMythal or Elgar'nan kill him I will be disappointed if I cannot do the deed. Yeah, I'm sure that will be possible. Since we're not playing as the Inquisitor in DW, the protagonist might be less invested in him personally. I'd rather someone who has a relationship with Solas kill him.
Or who knows, some interaction with Solas could be part of the new protagonist's origin story.
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Post by Noxluxe on Aug 21, 2022 8:20:26 GMT
I'd like to see him continue to fight for the restoration of the Elvhen as rationally and humanely as possible given the necessary collateral damage of his plan, whatever it is, and his own personal limits. Preferably without degrading into an insane childish tyrant that we have to put down because having us kill him for the sake of our own people's survival alone (rather than because he's an EVIL RACIST!!!!) would be far too nuanced and three-dimensional a conflict for modern woke video game writers to have the balls for.
...That's honestly the only serious hope I have for this game. At all. Nothing else feels like it's worth caring about so far.
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