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Post by Heimdall on Jun 6, 2022 22:33:42 GMT
Okay, I’m just writing this as an outlet for some thoughts I was having about a future Witcher game randomly this afternoon.
A New Character - Not Ciri or anyone else we know, our new Witcher should be a customizable original character from CDProjekt Red - All that’s been hinted is that the character could be from the Witcher School of the Cat/Lynx - Perhaps some alchemists are making more Witchers for some mysterious purpose and their methods allow for female Witchers - Diverse weapon style, they could open up the possibility of more than just swords. Even if swords remain the main weapon, they could still introduce some interesting secondaries.
A New Setting - Probably won’t leave the Northern Kingdoms entirely, but we need to get out of Temeria. - Perhaps Nilfgarrdian Cintra could be part of the setting, though we could also see stuff like Zerrikania or Ofir. There’s plenty of locales that might prove interesting to explore.
A New Story - I’d like to drop most threads to the trilogy if possible. - My worst case scenario is that this ends up like the Witcher 1, which lifted plot points wholesale from the books with different characters, making the whole thing feel a bit like fanfiction - More to the point I thing Geralt and Ciri’s story is done and has a nice ending point - So, a new story to build up our character’s own legend as a Witcher. - With that being said, I wouldn’t say no to a Geralt cameo where he gives some advice
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jun 7, 2022 0:37:24 GMT
*raises hand* Has there already been a Witcher 4 that I missed?  But I definitely hope for a customisable character. Gender choice would be great. And I think I'd pass on any cameos, unless for minor characters. Ideally it'd be set in a time far removed from the events of Geralt's saga.
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Post by Blast Processor on Jun 7, 2022 3:16:03 GMT
*raises hand* Has there already been a Witcher 4 that I missed?  I've been to the future. Yeah, the Witcher 4 flopped. So yeah, lets discuss The Witcher 5, it'll be a while though, seeing as it doesn't release until 2036. They delayed it to hit the 20th Anniversary of the Witcher 3, fans were excited about that, but then it got delayed again. Haha. You know how it is. Anyway, regarding the Witcher 4, I am fine with either Ciri or a new protagonist. As for cameos, if CDPR cuts ties I'd rather they do it completely. Though I'll miss what a potential Ciri skill tree could've looked like. Agree on leaving the Northern Realms behind. I feel like if the protag is a new/young Witcher, the game has gotta be a prequel, otherwise it really undermines one of the main themes of the TW3 and the books, that the Witcher's have served their purpose and their time is ending.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jun 7, 2022 5:05:56 GMT
Yeah, the Witcher 4 flopped. Probably not enough boobs. *** I feel like if the protag is a new/young Witcher, the game has gotta be a prequel, otherwise it really undermines one of the main themes of the TW3 and the books, that the Witcher's have served their purpose and their time is ending. Agreed. *If not Ciri*, then it probably almost has to be set quite some time before the events of Geralt's story.
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 7, 2022 8:04:31 GMT
…Yeah, I have no idea why my brain kept insisting the next Witcher game was 5
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 7, 2022 8:14:54 GMT
I feel like if the protag is a new/young Witcher, the game has gotta be a prequel, otherwise it really undermines one of the main themes of the TW3 and the books, that the Witcher's have served their purpose and their time is ending. Maybe, it could be like the plot of the first game with someone creating Witchers for their own purposes. Finding some niche beyond the traditional Witcher role could be part of the development. I think there’s enough flexibility to set the game before the end of TW3 or after.
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Post by Blast Processor on Jun 7, 2022 19:12:04 GMT
Well I suppose there will be pitfalls no matter what, but for me, finding out new Witcher's are being created post TW3 will be a huge red flag. Not saying it can't be done well, but my mind would instantly be wondering what narrative tomfoolery they had to use to explain that. I did think of Jacques de Aldersberg, and if this game goes down the Andromeda path, I could totally see some mage or alchemist trying to restart his plan, maybe... actually... wait... I think I'm coming around on this. Haha.
So yeah, they pick up where Jacques left off, and that's where female Witcher's come in, because what good are ubermen/women if they can't reproduce amongst themselves, have to do something about that Witcher sterility then as well, because that won't do. I suppose that part of the plan can fail, doesn't matter really, but I don't what the White Frost angle hanging around for very long. I guess have Ciri find out what is happening, so she can inform the Witcher's that the White Frost is no longer a threat, and that they gotta move on with there lives.
Basically if the White Frost is used to create the setup, that part needs to be wrapped up quickly, and with the protagonist being aware of Ciri having already stopped the White Frost with her space magic. It really annoyed me how the player was more knowledgeable (knowledge of Shepard basically) than Ryder, and every other character in Andromeda.
If CDPR is going to stray from the Witcher aspect of 'The Witcher' while still having a Witcher protagonist, this could work. (I enjoyed that.) The protagonist would still have the trauma of being a victim of brutal experiments, but they wouldn't have the additional baggage of decades on the Path, and in theory have an "easier" time assimilating back into regular society.
If they go full camp, seeing as these new Witcher's would potentially be stronger physically, but much weaker in training and technique, maybe have a quest involve finding a legendary Witcher to learn the way of the Wolf. LOL.
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 7, 2022 20:08:25 GMT
Well I suppose there will be pitfalls no matter what, but for me, finding out new Witcher's are being created post TW3 will be a huge red flag. Not saying it can't be done well, but my mind would instantly be wondering what narrative tomfoolery they had to use to explain that. I did think of Jacques de Aldersberg, and if this game goes down the Andromeda path, I could totally see some mage or alchemist trying to restart his plan, maybe... actually... wait... I think I'm coming around on this. Haha. So yeah, they pick up where Jacques left off, and that's where female Witcher's come in, because what good are ubermen/women if they can't reproduce amongst themselves, have to do something about that Witcher sterility then as well, because that won't do. I suppose that part of the plan can fail, doesn't matter really, but I don't what the White Frost angle hanging around for very long. I guess have Ciri find out what is happening, so she can inform the Witcher's that the White Frost is no longer a threat, and that they gotta move on with there lives. Basically if the White Frost is used to create the setup, that part needs to be wrapped up quickly, and with the protagonist being aware of Ciri having already stopped the White Frost with her space magic. It really annoyed me how the player was more knowledgeable (knowledge of Shepard basically) than Ryder, and every other character in Andromeda. If CDPR is going to stray from the Witcher aspect of 'The Witcher' while still having a Witcher protagonist, this could work. (I enjoyed that.) The protagonist would still have the trauma of being a victim of brutal experiments, but they wouldn't have the additional baggage of decades on the Path, and in theory have an "easier" time assimilating back into regular society. If they go full camp, seeing as these new Witcher's would potentially be stronger physically, but much weaker in training and technique, maybe have a quest involve finding a legendary Witcher to learn the way of the Wolf. LOL. That was very fun to read  A simpler alternative though, let’s remember the School of the Cat/Lynx though. What are the cats famous for? Shunning Witcher neutrality and hiring themselves out as spies, thieves, and assassins! So it might be as simple as a revived School of the Cat turning more towards those trades as monster hunting becomes more sparse. The fan wiki on them also claims they are the only school that has trained women, though that seems to come from a polish pen and paper game from the early 2000s: witcher.fandom.com/wiki/School_of_the_Cat
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Post by Blast Processor on Jun 7, 2022 20:26:09 GMT
Yes, the Lynx reveal did escaped me for a moment. Haha. You're right its usually the simple solution, but if its post TW3, I hope they put a lot of thought into it, my worry is that it would feel like a gimmick.
Really my biggest hang-up is the potential creation of new Witcher's and how that is handled. I'm fine with playing as an existing Witcher from the Lynn School.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2022 21:33:14 GMT
Witcher 5 eh? I suppose there has been enough on that now  So, the idea of post-TW3 also raises concern for me. The world "is changing". Like the LotR, Geralt's world is entering the age of Man, and the other races despite their tenacity, are fading as are other "old world" creatures like monsters and Witchers. If Ciri is the protagonist, fantastic, but the title needs to reflect that it is her story, and although she can definitely kill monsters like a witcher, she is not actually a Witcher (she's insanely more powerful, but not a master of signs or able to consume mutagens). So, The Witcher 4, 5, 69420, OU812... should be about a witcher. If it is Ciri's story, it should not be a numbered Witcher game but a standalone title in the Witcher universe. That's my dose of autism for the day. I like things how I like them, this makes me worry.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jun 8, 2022 21:43:34 GMT
If Ciri is the protagonist, fantastic, but the title needs to reflect that it is her story The Swallow: A Witcher Saga? If it is Ciri (which I almost prefer to a blank slate male or female Witcher that we customise, but not quite), then it will have to have Witcher in the title somewhere. Brand recognition being what it is, the suits will insist, and you can't really blame them for that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2022 21:53:41 GMT
If Ciri is the protagonist, fantastic, but the title needs to reflect that it is her story The Swallow: A Witcher Saga? If it is Ciri (which I almost prefer to a blank slate male or female Witcher that we customise, but not quite), then it will have to have Witcher in the title somewhere. Brand recognition being what it is, the suits will insist, and you can't really blame them for that. I agree, and I like this title.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 12, 2022 7:45:52 GMT
I'd be happy with Ciri as Protagonist. If not then i think it should be a fixed male character. Devalues Ciri somewhat to suddenly go well there's loads of female witchers in the Lynx school. If they want to have a female perspective they could always have one taking a similar scoped role to Ciri in TW3, where you control her for a portion of the game.
Yeah moving away from Northern Kingdoms seems sensible and limiting degree of interaction with trilogy choices ideal.
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Sept 8, 2022 8:14:23 GMT
I think that fans of a certain series often like other games to be like their favorite game. I understand that, but I don't think TW4 should be like a DA or TES game (to name a few). The power of TW3 was the set protagonist. That allowed the attention to be in the quests themselves, instead of complicating the quests and main story with gender, origin and/or class.
However, I fear that TW4 may add those complications, because a lot of people may want those.
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