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Post by mike3207 on Nov 27, 2016 18:27:31 GMT
Bioware likes their Dragon Age clifhangers. It's really that simple.
Awakening, Leliana in Da2, Solas... I see a pattern.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Nov 30, 2016 23:38:09 GMT
Well, to me it honestly feels like some fourth act is missing. I get that it became Inquisition, but you could easily be deceived as a first-time player to think that the framed narrative is eventually tied into the present day, hence all the time skipping, so when Cassandra finally walks out and claims there's a connection you'd expect act 4 to come up showing how "Hawke who has disappeared" bumps into Cassandra and Varric and we go to wherever the missing Grey Wardens are, and perhaps that could still tie into a mage/templar conflict... but IDK, the game was kinda closed off as is because they made the showdown with Orsino and Meredith happen first.
I still wish this game had gotten a conclusive ending and not just a sequel-tease. It was cool enough to see Hawke in DA:I but at the same time it felt a bit unnecessary and his role isn't that great in the game.
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Post by lobselvith8 on Dec 14, 2016 21:41:05 GMT
As others said, it was a dropped plot point. Bioware originally planned to release an expansion pack for DA2 that takes place after the vanilla game, but due to the negative reaction to the game they decided to drop it and implement parts of it into DAI. Yeah. The developers did admit (before Inquisition was released) that there was even some consideration to not continue Dragon Age anymore because of the reaction the sequel received. I think some elements of the original would have worked better and made more sense (Merrill likely was supposed to fill the role that You Know Who served in Inquisition, as one example).
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Post by jackrabbit on Dec 19, 2016 1:03:56 GMT
DA2 was a trainwreck in terms of plot. "Oh, Hawke has to provide for his family and will raise money for a deep roads expedition- surely this will kick the plot into high gear!" Nope. "Oh, it's the qunari now!" "Oh, it's the mages vs the Templars now!" PICK A PLOT. So what's Hawke's hero's journey? He gets rich then kind of adventures for whatever reason every few years 'cause he's bored? Oh, wait- random Frankenstein monster plot with his mom! Pathos...? God, what a mess that game was.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 19, 2016 1:27:51 GMT
DA2 was a trainwreck in terms of plot. "Oh, Hawke has to provide for his family and will raise money for a deep roads expedition- surely this will kick the plot into high gear!" Nope. "Oh, it's the qunari now!" "Oh, it's the mages vs the Templars now!" PICK A PLOT. So what's Hawke's hero's journey? He gets rich then kind of adventures for whatever reason every few years 'cause he's bored? Oh, wait- random Frankenstein monster plot with his mom! Pathos...? God, what a mess that game was. I think it was good, a good prelude, for Inquisition (they wanted to Hawke's story continue, but the game failed, Bioware rejected this idea. Hawke was only a local hero, I like it! I think, this was the best part of the series.
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Post by jackrabbit on Dec 19, 2016 2:18:26 GMT
Hmm. I really like Inquisition but I'd have to disagree with you on DA2. I just think the game was a rushed mess. I'm aware that Bioware was originally planning to expand on the DA2 story with either further dlc or a full-blown expansion but that didn't happen and I feel it's the weakest entry in the series. I did enjoy Hawke coming back in DA:I- especially since I got my imported snarky rogue Hawke. Funny thing, I usually prefer female protagonists (it makes me sad that so many people didn't experience Jennifer Hale's superior acting as Femshep) simply because I don't identify with the character as myself and I prefer to have a female character to look at. (Yeah, I'm a monster. Move on.) DA2 was one of the rare exceptions simply because male Hawke was so heavily advertised and the default female character looked like chromosome-flipped Hawke. It was just too weird. As a result, I went with default male Hawke and was happy to see him show up in my imported game.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 19, 2016 2:57:34 GMT
Hmm. I really like Inquisition but I'd have to disagree with you on DA2. I just think the game was a rushed mess. I'm aware that Bioware was originally planning to expand on the DA2 story with either further dlc or a full-blown expansion but that didn't happen and I feel it's the weakest entry in the series. I did enjoy Hawke coming back in DA:I- especially since I got my imported snarky rogue Hawke. Funny thing, I usually prefer female protagonists (it makes me sad that so many people didn't experience Jennifer Hale's superior acting as Femshep) simply because I don't identify with the character as myself and I prefer to have a female character to look at. (Yeah, I'm a monster. Move on.) DA2 was one of the rare exceptions simply because male Hawke was so heavily advertised and the default female character looked like chromosome-flipped Hawke. It was just too weird. As a result, I went with default male Hawke and was happy to see him show up in my imported game. I never said, that DA2 was perfect, but I like much better than Inquisition. Because of Hawke for example, and the companions. It was more personal. And after the world-salvation games it was refreshing. In the Inquisition, when Hawke appeared, and I was a bit disappointed He was not really my Hawke. My sarcastic blood mage became a mostly grumpy hypocrite. But I like Loghain in Inquisition. (I do not condemn you; I also like to look my characters.)
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Post by jackrabbit on Dec 19, 2016 3:06:45 GMT
Really? You like DA2 better than Inquisition? I'm honestly curious as to why.
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Post by phoray on Dec 19, 2016 3:12:18 GMT
Really? You like DA2 better than Inquisition? I'm honestly curious as to why. The cast of companions are a family of friends, not co-workers like in Inquisition where the one card game where we see half the cast all together is so forced it's a bit painful to watch is a major reason. The Voice acting was great. The arguments were better. You could agree to disagree with companions and STILL get content. Whereas Origins and DAI you have to cater to their whims and preferences to get scenes at all. And the character didn't win at everything. I have to do mental gymnastics to figure out why my Dalish Elf knows formal Orlesian Dancing, for example.
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Post by jackrabbit on Dec 19, 2016 3:33:58 GMT
I agree with you on some points. Yeah, the voice acting was pretty good (curse you, sexy, sexy Fenris) but I think the VO in Inquisition was pretty solid as well. I also agree that the friendship/rivalry system could lead to some brutal arguments. I love the Aveline rivalry where she just calls Hawke out on basically being a thug and kicks his ass. However, I also felt that was kind of cheap in a way. It didn't really matter if you were nice or utterly awful to your companions since they stick by you no matter what. At least in Inquiz you could tell them to hit the road and they would.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 19, 2016 3:41:05 GMT
Really? You like DA2 better than Inquisition? I'm honestly curious as to why. I'm not alone with this feeling. But good question. Maybe seems not really logical, because the DAII actually bleeding from a thousand wounds, but as I said: the story was refreshing, Hawke's character was a bit comic-hero featured (as if reality had mixed with Varric's fantasy). Maybe the story was illogical somewhere, but entertaining. Hawke have family and friends.The party banters really good, the characters are friends (or rivals). The friendship rivalry system not perfect, but a good idea and fun (increases the replayability). The fight enjoyable (I like better than the Inquisition's system). The enemies are pretty good, I like Petrice's character, Arishok, Meredith. And the two best romance still Fenris and Anders, for me ofc. Inquisition have good story, but so long. Too much filler quests, gathering etc (I'm tired of these in MMOs as well). Probably this not bother some people, but really annoys me. I liked the characters, companions and advisors also (Vivienne and Sera annoy me), I like the Inquisitor too, but I did not feel them so close in.
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Post by jackrabbit on Dec 19, 2016 3:57:44 GMT
On the filler note- I appreciated that DA:I attempted to give some justification to all the random stuff you do by framing it as helping in some way- be it by improving your reputation, expanding resources, extending your power, etc. It did wear thin on subsequent playthroughs but it was at least an attempt to justify the normal rpg problem of running errands while the world is burning. I'm not sure I'd agree that the romances were better. I loved Merrill as much as a sentient being could love a video game character. She was a bit of an idiot with the mirror thingy but so sweet and kind and pretty and... *sigh* where was I going with this? Oh, yes- there were some decent romances in DA:I as well. I was rather taken with Josephine personally. I'm surprised you found DA:I's story too long. My main criticism of it would be that when you take the filler quests out it's actually too short. I did however also like how DA2 used Varric's narration to good effect for a fake out at one point in the story. That bit where you're suddenly him and killing everyone and his brother falls to his knees telling him how mom always liked him best took me a moment to register what was going on and when I did I laughed heartily. I also agree that Vivienne was a self-serving jerk and Sera is just obnoxious. Still, I think DA:I had the better story overall.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 19, 2016 4:10:53 GMT
On the filler note- I appreciated that DA:I attempted to give some justification to all the random stuff you do by framing it as helping in some way- be it by improving your reputation, expanding resources, extending your power, etc. It did wear thin on subsequent playthroughs but it was at least an attempt to justify the normal rpg problem of running errands while the world is burning. I'm not sure I'd agree that the romances were better. I loved Merrill as much as a sentient being could love a video game character. She was a bit of an idiot with the mirror thingy but so sweet and kind and pretty and... *sigh* where was I going with this? Oh, yes- there were some decent romances in DA:I as well. I was rather taken with Josephine personally. I'm surprised you found DA:I's story too long. My main criticism of it would be that when you take the filler quests out it's actually too short. I did however also like how DA2 used Varric's narration to good effect for a fake out at one point in the story. That bit where you're suddenly him and killing everyone and his brother falls to his knees telling him how mom always liked him best took me a moment to register what was going on and when I did I laughed heartily. I also agree that Vivienne was a self-serving jerk and Sera is just obnoxious. Still, I think DA:I had the better story overall. Oh, I see. My English... So: misunderstanding. The story of Inquisition is short – compared to the game, the game is long. I said: the romance is personal taste I can not argue in this issue. The fact: in Inquisition I have lonely character, in DAII not. DAI is a good game (if it were not, I would not play with it), but I like DAII better.
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Post by Dovahkiin N7 on Dec 19, 2016 19:09:03 GMT
Really? You like DA2 better than Inquisition? I'm honestly curious as to why. Count me in too. I have more DA2 playthough than DAO, DAI and awakening combined. Even more than wicher series, Dead space series, Bioshock series. My most played game after Mass effect multiplayer. And yes I hated the reused dungeons and the end.
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Post by Dovahkiin N7 on Dec 19, 2016 19:11:16 GMT
Really? You like DA2 better than Inquisition? I'm honestly curious as to why. I'm not alone with this feeling. But good question. Maybe seems not really logical, because the DAII actually bleeding from a thousand wounds, but as I said: the story was refreshing, Hawke's character was a bit comic-hero featured (as if reality had mixed with Varric's fantasy). Maybe the story was illogical somewhere, but entertaining. Hawke have family and friends.The party banters really good, the characters are friends (or rivals). The friendship rivalry system not perfect, but a good idea and fun (increases the replayability). The fight enjoyable (I like better than the Inquisition's system). The enemies are pretty good, I like Petrice's character, Arishok, Meredith. And the two best romance still Fenris and Anders, for me ofc. Inquisition have good story, but so long. Too much filler quests, gathering etc (I'm tired of these in MMOs as well). Probably this not bother some people, but really annoys me. I liked the characters, companions and advisors also (Vivienne and Sera annoy me), I like the Inquisitor too, but I did not feel them so close in. Inquisition had a story? . For me, not until Tresspasser
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Post by Catilina on Dec 19, 2016 19:20:03 GMT
I'm not alone with this feeling. But good question. Maybe seems not really logical, because the DAII actually bleeding from a thousand wounds, but as I said: the story was refreshing, Hawke's character was a bit comic-hero featured (as if reality had mixed with Varric's fantasy). Maybe the story was illogical somewhere, but entertaining. Hawke have family and friends.The party banters really good, the characters are friends (or rivals). The friendship rivalry system not perfect, but a good idea and fun (increases the replayability). The fight enjoyable (I like better than the Inquisition's system). The enemies are pretty good, I like Petrice's character, Arishok, Meredith. And the two best romance still Fenris and Anders, for me ofc. Inquisition have good story, but so long. Too much filler quests, gathering etc (I'm tired of these in MMOs as well). Probably this not bother some people, but really annoys me. I liked the characters, companions and advisors also (Vivienne and Sera annoy me), I like the Inquisitor too, but I did not feel them so close in. Inquisition had a story? . For me, not until Tresspasser Trespasser is the best part of the game (and I like for example the Fade, because of Hawke – despite that he was a disappointing for me somehow), but I think Inquisition have a story But the story parts also have annoying features. I think enough to mentioned the Halla Statues.
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Post by dragontartare on Dec 22, 2016 20:48:37 GMT
Really? You like DA2 better than Inquisition? I'm honestly curious as to why. Hawke has more personality than the Inquisitor, for one thing. I'm currently trying to play an Inquisitor who couldn't care less about mages and templars beyond disruption in the lyrium trade and just wants the mark (and Cory) gone so she can get back to her carta life, and it is almost impossible to do that because of how bland most of the Inquisitor's lines are. Generally, your choices amount to 1) bleeding heart do-gooder, 2) irate do-gooder, 3) "funny" do-gooder, and occasionally, 4) terrible person with no respect for other cultures. With Hawke (and with the Warden) it is possible to play a wider variety of personalities. I prefer the smaller scale of the story in DA2. Hawke isn't the leader because they happen to be the one with the magical hand who can save the world. They work their way up from refugee doing odd jobs to support the family to eventually being seen as a leader -- for good or ill -- because of the work they have done throughout the city. It's a lot more relatable, for me, and as a result I feel much closer to Hawke, which leads me to want to spend more time playing DA2. The character relationships have already been mentioned by others, but I'll give them another shout-out, too. In DAI, the companions feel too forced into friendship with the Inquisitor. I can buy it from Varric because it's just his personality to be friendly. But in general, I just think they should feel more like coworkers through most of the main game (kind of like in Origins, though without being so easily bought with gifts). Either that, or the growth of the friendships should feel more organic, rather than, "you make decisions I like, therefore you are my new best friend," or "I disagree with the choices you are making in this role you were thrust into and didn't ask for, therefore I hate you." I like that in DA2, the companions can still care for and respect a Hawke they've known for years even if they disagree with Hawke. Just like with real people, we can still like and respect family and friends who are part of that awful [insert political party of choice here] because there is more to a person than just their political alignment. I don't like the recycled environments in DA2 any more than anyone else does. In fact, the first time I played, I didn't realize they were supposed to be different areas each time, and so I didn't loot them fully and missed quite a few resources. I just figured Hawke was revisiting places she'd already been to in previous years to eliminate the new band of criminals that had shown up. But it just isn't game-ruining for me. *shrug*
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