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Post by Antibaar on Nov 7, 2022 21:02:41 GMT
Ok... I know were this is going.So,in the audio Liara says:the council will be furious,and in video,down is written: For interior use only. For interior use only,means Council space?Lets not forgot that MW is only 1% explored.It is posible the MR7 can lead to unexplored and dangerous regions of space?with new alien species?Also 314 is the relay from the first contact war,which was deactivated until humans traveled there.
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Post by Mazder on Nov 7, 2022 21:10:01 GMT
Multiple Timelines is a BIG ask for it. Would get really, really, convoluted with the permutations of the endings (which is already a mountain to climb). As cool as it to see I think it might be asking the devs a little too much. In this case the multiple timelines aren't going to be explored, only acknowledged that they exist so as not to invalidate anyone's PT. Just to try to smooth things over with the fandom. They will not be successful in any case.  As I said, the game itself would follow whatever canon they want to go with. Well, I still say my Blasto parody Intro Sequence would be the best way to do that, but I am biased. It all depends on how we'd view that potential multiple timelines thing without it looking too cheap "space magic", or too "this is a simulation" type of exploration. What I would love to see is how the Galactic Community has come together as a cultural exercise. Because no matter what your ending is/was, the whole idea of the last game was coming together. So going back to old divisions would be...hard to swallow. EDIT: One thing I really do want to see is if they'll add in the Raloi, or leave them to their isolation.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Nov 7, 2022 21:12:29 GMT
Whether this is 2190 or hundreds of years later in Milky Way galaxy, they still have to come up with a way to get beyond the ME3 endings. I see a few possibilities but there are significant negatives to all of them. I'm sure there are other more creative options out there though.
1. Choose a canon ending. This would be the easiest thing to do but would upset a fair number of people. I don't think they will do this based on past statements. There are some hints of destroy being canon with what they've shown but I'm still doubtful.
2. Have the endings all lead to the same outcome eventually. If the game is hundreds of years in the future, maybe they can have the endings all kind of merge to the same state over time. Not sure how that would really work though. Probably would have to really suspend disbelief.
3. "Fix" the endings through time travel shenanigans. It's a popular tool in sci-fi when you want to reboot but it often feels cheap. I'd prefer they don't use this to wipe out ME3 endings.
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Post by Serza on Nov 7, 2022 21:13:03 GMT
There is a voice in the background of that video.
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Post by Antibaar on Nov 7, 2022 21:18:12 GMT
That MR7 humans constructs lead to a primary relay,and thats why concil is furious. Read this from wiki,i think all makes sense:
There are two kinds of mass relay, primary and secondary. Primary relays can propel a ship thousands of light years, but only link to one other relay, its "partner". Secondary relays can link to any other relay over shorter distances, only a few hundred light years. After the Rachni Wars, space faring species in Council Space won't open a primary relay without knowing where it links to, in case they run into another powerful and hostile species like the rachni. This caused a rift when the turians found human pioneers, ignorant of this Citadel Council prohibition, trying to open any mass relay they could find while exploring the relay network, eventually leading to the First Contact War.
Many mass relays are currently dormant for unknown reasons, though they can be easily reactivated. A Prothean data cache found on Mars led humans to a mass relay encased in ice and orbiting Pluto, previously thought to be a moon called Charon, which the Charon Relay was eventually named after.
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Post by Hrungr on Nov 7, 2022 21:18:58 GMT
3. "Fix" the endings through time travel shenanigans. It's a popular tool in sci-fi when you want to reboot but it often feels cheap. I'd prefer they don't use this to wipe out ME3 endings. I think if they go this route, they would make a big production about how all of the PTs are canon, just occurring in a different timeline/universe. The game then deals with one specific timeline/universe.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 7, 2022 21:21:16 GMT
Multiple Timelines is a BIG ask for it. Would get really, really, convoluted with the permutations of the endings (which is already a mountain to climb). As cool as it to see I think it might be asking the devs a little too much. In this case the multiple timelines aren't going to be explored, only acknowledged that they exist so as not to invalidate anyone's PT. Just to try to smooth things over with the fandom. They will not be successful in any case.  As I said, the game itself would follow whatever canon they want to go with. ”Don’t worry. Your Shepard isn’t responsible for the biggest war crime in their cycle’s history and everyone celebrates genocide. But we’re going to follow a timeline where they are.” 🤢
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Post by Serza on Nov 7, 2022 21:27:39 GMT
Awesome.
I'm really rehashing what the thread says, but that is Liara talking about missing something. And human defiance.
But also a mass relay... I still want them to connect to Andromeda somehow, I think... Basically, no more Shepard. Let Shep rest.
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Post by abedsbrother on Nov 7, 2022 21:28:00 GMT
Whether this is 2190 or hundreds of years later in Milky Way galaxy, they still have to come up with a way to get beyond the ME3 endings. I see a few possibilities but there are significant negatives to all of them. I'm sure there are other more creative options out there though. 1. Choose a canon ending. This would be the easiest thing to do but would upset a fair number of people. I don't think they will do this based on past statements. There are some hints of destroy being canon with what they've shown but I'm still doubtful. 2. Have the endings all lead to the same outcome eventually. If the game is hundreds of years in the future, maybe they can have the endings all kind of merge to the same state over time. Not sure how that would really work though. Probably would have to really suspend disbelief. 3. "Fix" the endings through time travel shenanigans. It's a popular tool in sci-fi when you want to reboot but it often feels cheap. I'd prefer they don't use this to wipe out ME3 endings. 1 - Would it upset many people, though? Everybody I know treats Destroy as canon anyway, while the blue & green satisfy a "what-if" curiosity (sort of like the way they treat Refuse, but with more detail)
2 - Didn't Deus Ex Invisible War do this? People hated it (one among many reasons)
3 - If BioWare introduce time travel shenanigans to retcon the endings, I'm out.
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Post by Solas on Nov 7, 2022 21:28:37 GMT
I think it all (Milky Way, Andromeda Galaxy, Liara, geth, mass relays, quarian-sounding Captain name) has something to do with this lore from Andromeda Initiative background info:
“Charting the Andromeda Galaxy for habitable planets presents a unique challenge. Observation is limited by light, and given Andromeda's distance, any observations from the Milky Way are 2.5 million years out of date–enough time for a planet to have altered irrevocably.
Initial attempts to identify settlement sites were made by obtaining asari astronomical surveys and running them through predictive models. But Jien Garson was unwilling to risk thousands of colonists without solid information.
Eventually, the Initiative obtained promising data from quarian explorers who claimed to have found a geth array on the fringes of the Perseus Veil. This array was supposedly built from three mass relays, using sensors in the combined relay corridor as a form of FTL "telescope" to observe dark space beyond the galactic rim. Why the geth expended so much effort to study dark space is not known.
Amongst these observations were near-contemporary surveys of Andromeda. When our predictive models confirmed them within an acceptable margin, the Initiative was able to begin identifying "golden worlds."
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 7, 2022 21:28:44 GMT
As for the decoded audio, on one hand I’m not a fan of them doing the whole “humanity vs Council” yet again. Especially since I guarantee that it’ll be humanity being right because “Humanity is Supersoecialawesome!” Hopefully it is more nuanced than that, but between that and the pet Liara seemingly being on humanity’s side I doubt it. On the other hand, GETH CONFIRMED! 
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Post by Hrungr on Nov 7, 2022 21:33:14 GMT
Michael Gamble @gamblemike"Although, they should know by now not to underestimate human defiance!" - Liara T'Soni (Doctor, Shadow Broker and <REDACTED>). #N7Day 
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Post by Croatsky on Nov 7, 2022 21:34:22 GMT
3. "Fix" the endings through time travel shenanigans. It's a popular tool in sci-fi when you want to reboot but it often feels cheap. I'd prefer they don't use this to wipe out ME3 endings. I think if they go this route, they would make a big production about how all of the PTs are canon, just occurring in a different timeline/universe. The game then deals with one specific timeline/universe. Time travel was never even hinted at in any Mass Effect game, book, comic or anime.
Synthesis was already bad enough when they shoved in transhumanism message in last minute of game. At least MEA treats human and synthetic symbiosis well, as well being ongoing theme from start to finish of game story and being important at key points.
Adding time travel would be absurd, come out of nowhere and will be very difficult to write properly.
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Post by Mazder on Nov 7, 2022 21:35:01 GMT
Whether this is 2190 or hundreds of years later in Milky Way galaxy, they still have to come up with a way to get beyond the ME3 endings. I see a few possibilities but there are significant negatives to all of them. I'm sure there are other more creative options out there though. 1. Choose a canon ending. This would be the easiest thing to do but would upset a fair number of people. I don't think they will do this based on past statements. There are some hints of destroy being canon with what they've shown but I'm still doubtful. 2. Have the endings all lead to the same outcome eventually. If the game is hundreds of years in the future, maybe they can have the endings all kind of merge to the same state over time. Not sure how that would really work though. Probably would have to really suspend disbelief. 3. "Fix" the endings through time travel shenanigans. It's a popular tool in sci-fi when you want to reboot but it often feels cheap. I'd prefer they don't use this to wipe out ME3 endings. Well in my eyes, Destroy is the easiest to have as the canon ending (especially given the video/audio we just received) as there seems to be only one actual casualty of our ending decision in that instance. EDI. Other than the obvious millions dead/converted of course. With the others you have to do really big plot contrivances to undo the influence they'd have to get to, well the images we've seen so far. I also agree that time travel (other than time dilation to make the hop between galaxies easier) shouldn't be done.
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Post by Hrungr on Nov 7, 2022 21:43:47 GMT
I think if they go this route, they would make a big production about how all of the PTs are canon, just occurring in a different timeline/universe. The game then deals with one specific timeline/universe. Time travel was never even hinted at in any Mass Effect game, book, comic or anime.
Synthesis was already bad enough when they shoved in transhumanism message in last minute of game. At least MEA treats human and synthetic symbiosis well, as well being ongoing theme from start to finish of game story and being important at key points.
Adding time travel would be absurd, come out of nowhere and will be very difficult to write properly.
They're deep into space magic already, and I'm trying to look at from what they might do, as opposed to what I'd want them to do. They'll have to do something to address their canon in the game and smooth things over with the fandom. A tall, tall order. As I said, they will not be successful.  If they just impose a canon ending for the MET, the backlash will be enormous. The gaming media will have field day with them if they just invalidate the choices in the MET (without doing something to address them). I can already see the headlines...
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Post by Antibaar on Nov 7, 2022 21:45:19 GMT
Michael Gamble @gamblemike"Although, they should know by now not to underestimate human defiance!" - Liara T'Soni (Doctor, Shadow Broker and <REDACTED>). #N7Day  OOOOKKKK.....this arhitecture looks new to me...maybe a new alien homeworld....and why they wear breathing masks?Someone on twitter speculates this is omega.Still,what is that glowing light coming from those weird blocks?
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Michael Gamble @gamblemike"Although, they should know by now not to underestimate human defiance!" - Liara T'Soni (Doctor, Shadow Broker and <REDACTED>). #N7Day  OOOOKKKK.....this arhitecture looks new to me...maybe a new alien homeworld....and why they wear breathing masks?Someone on twitter speculates this is omega.Still,what is that glowing light coming from those weird blocks? Asari architecture maybe?
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Post by Croatsky on Nov 7, 2022 21:59:10 GMT
They're deep into space magic already, and I'm trying to look at from what they might do, as opposed to what I'd want them to do. They'll have to do something to address their canon in the game and smooth things over with the fandom. A tall, tall order. As I said, they will not be successful.  If they just impose a canon ending for the MET, the backlash will be enormous. The gaming media will have field day with them if they just invalidate the choices in the MET (without doing something to address them). I can already see the headlines... They can just say this is the timeline they're going with, as other endings simply branch out too far differently.
It's really the only way as trying to merge all 3 endings is impossible to be done right or satisfying.
Honestly I am already mentally prepared that NME will not go with my Shepard's timeline, he'd simply never make concuss decision to commit genocide when alternative exists. BioWare made a major mistake to have end game final decision so drastic, something I hope they abandoned as we saw in DAI and MEA having lack of end-game world changing decisions, instead decisions from throughout the game matter more.
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Post by Croatsky on Nov 7, 2022 21:59:59 GMT
OOOOKKKK.....this arhitecture looks new to me...maybe a new alien homeworld....and why they wear breathing masks?Someone on twitter speculates this is omega.Still,what is that glowing light coming from those weird blocks? Asari architecture maybe? It is tad different.
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Post by abedsbrother on Nov 7, 2022 22:03:55 GMT
OOOOKKKK.....this arhitecture looks new to me...maybe a new alien homeworld....and why they wear breathing masks?Someone on twitter speculates this is omega.Still,what is that glowing light coming from those weird blocks? Asari architecture maybe? or Salarian
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Post by Hrungr on Nov 7, 2022 22:06:09 GMT
Whether it is Asari or not, I expect there will be updates to the architecture just because they can build to a much higher fidelity now.
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Post by Solas on Nov 7, 2022 22:06:36 GMT
maybe in the aftermath of the Reaper War some planets were environmentally damaged as a result of the war?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 7, 2022 22:10:05 GMT
That architecture is absolutely Asari. The minor differences is just because concept art plus probably minor redesigns since they have a more powerful engine to play with. You even see a building just like it (minus the glow in the middle of the structure) in the ME3 Thessia shot.
Edit: Plus the fact they post that one while quoting Liara, who is an Asari.
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Whether it is Asari or not, I expect there will be updates to the architecture just because they can build to a much higher fidelity now. I doubt that because most studios that use Unreal just copy paste stuff from the Megascan libraries. Based on the tease today, Maybe we will get some pretty ME2 styled sprites way out in the background for optimizations sake and some minor changes to ME3 models but with better materials on them like we saw with Andromeda.
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