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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 10, 2022 11:46:32 GMT
Well with big twist in Absolution Meredith lives. Does this also mean that Corypheus isn´t that dead? I guess he was never dead but more looked for a long time in pieces in the fade. I also comment in the Varric thread about this and i think that Corypheus is along with Meredith returning as villians for Dreadwolf. Or as a crazy twist unlikely allies against the Dreadwolf aka Solas.
I guess this promo art has more meaning than we that thought. 
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on Dec 10, 2022 12:20:35 GMT
I've only finished watching DAA now, but why would Meridith want a crusade against Tevinter? And if the figure behind her is Andruil, then why would she want one against Tevinter too?
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 10, 2022 12:40:07 GMT
Well she hates Mages and as Red Lyrium thing of course pretty crazy but i don´t think that´s so simple.
The reason is more that she hates everything on Corypheus and what he stands for and what he did in DAI. I mean he as a mage wanted to corrupt the templar order and make them into his loyal servantes and bringing the old Tevinter back.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 10, 2022 13:31:16 GMT
I would like to point out, as I did in the Who is the Dreadwolf thread, that Meredith and Corypheus have defiant stances facing toward the Dreadwolf head in that image. I actually think we will have to team-up with them in some way in DAD.
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Post by Little Bengel on Dec 10, 2022 14:03:21 GMT
Always felt like Corypheus being forcefully sent into the Fade wasn't quite the end of him. I've always suspected thus far that we'd probably see him again in Dreadwolf.
Gonna be a right giggle if the same goes for Meredith (though if we're doing a "deal with the devil situation" with her, at least let me fight her one more time).
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 10, 2022 14:07:51 GMT
I actually think we will have to team-up with them in some way in DAD. Please no, I'd rather team up with the Dread Wolf than that. Honest, why bring them back? We had plenty of other interesting scenarios they could explore, including potential dodgy allies in the Executors. Bringing back former antagonists who ought to be dead is just getting boring now. It also constantly negates everything our previous heroes have done, particularly Hawke. That would be two for two if Meredith returns from the dead. Meanwhile, if they had that ending to DAI, where we sent Corypheus to the Fade, the one place he wanted to go, instead of destroying him outright, mean that he could come back, it just makes us seem even more holding the stupid ball. It was bad enough Solas popping up and revealing his master plan but reusing more old villains is bordering on ridiculous. DEATH SHOULD MEAN DEATH. On the other hand, if they are going to do that, let's go the whole hog and bring back all the dead heroes as well. Let's have Andraste and Shartan, Garahel and Calenhad, Tyrrda and Hafter. How about Koslun? Then we can ask him if the Qun was really is as he envisaged it? Meanwhile, it is hardly surprising our nobody hero is someone "they never seen coming". Mind you, perhaps they will be a resurrected hero or a reincarnated one.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 10, 2022 14:32:41 GMT
The only former "villians" i wouldn´t have mind there obviously Calpernia and the Architect. Maybe even the former Arishok in a new cameo role. But bringing Red Lyrium Meredith (not the more interessing normal Meredith) and lame Corypheus back is so stupid. I wonder what why not bring the DAO Archdemon aka Urthemiel also back? Who cares if this dumb as hell let all former major villians team up against the Dreadwolf. Bravo Bioware you did the impossible. No one had thought that you copy Dragon Ball (no typo) and making former big baddies into allies?
So what is coming next? Besides the obvious "Can Hawke even kill and finishing the job" Memes i won´t be surprised if Meredith becomes a ally why not go for a Meredith romance? Let´s go hard in (Under) Hightown?
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 10, 2022 15:21:54 GMT
The only former "villians" i wouldn´t have mind there obviously Calpernia and the Architect. I don't mind Calpernia because her "death" was left ambiguous, even if the PC did decide to fight her, although they gave plenty of opportunity to avoid that. Plus, it would seem more people favoured the mage path over the Templar one, so never even got to meet her. I wouldn't be surprised at the Architect because presumably he had the same trick to avoid death as Corypheus. It certainly didn't require a dragon because I'm fairly certain Cory acquiring his only happened after his fight with Hawke. With Corypheus in DAI, there was a big issue made about how we needed to discover a way to do it permanently and this seemed to have been supplied by Flemeth/her priesthood after the Well of Sorrows. However, I always thought it was odd how they managed that final confrontation, as though they did leave the way open for another return. I couldn't see the point, personally, because he was only ever Solas lite when it came to the threat he posed and with the Dread Wolf now established as the big bad, they should just leave Cory chilling in the Fade. On the other hand, maybe that is where we will encounter him. Thinking about it, I've always felt that the plot will eventually involve us confronting the Dread Wolf in the Fade, so I suppose it is possible we might find Cory wandering around when we get there. I suppose it is even possible we will team up with Hawke/Warden who was left in the Fade as well. I would find that more acceptable than Cory re-appearing Thedas side, unless of course Solas succeeds in bringing down the Veil, in which case all manner of nasties might appear. Another possibility I would entertain is a face off between Cory and Meredith. After all, he wanted to restore his beloved Imperium and she wants to utterly destroy it, so a confrontation between the two would likely be epic considering they will be evenly matched on the red lyrium front. Maybe our hero will just stand on the side-lines and sell popcorn.
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Post by GalentheYounger on Dec 10, 2022 15:24:19 GMT
Too bad Greg Elliot went off the deep end. There was a huge opportunity with Cullen to deal with some of his PTSD with Meredith being back and providing a pivotal role in bringing her down - his true atonement, of sorts.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 10, 2022 15:26:01 GMT
Maybe even the former Arishok in a new cameo role. I doubt they would do that when they can bring back Sten as Arishok instead.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 10, 2022 15:37:45 GMT
I doubt they would do that when they can bring back Sten as Arishok instead. Maybe i wasn´t clear enough what i mean with "new role".  For course he isn´t Arishok anymore and has a new name and function in the Qunari society. I would prefer if Sten regardless of the player choices is the only Arishok so Bioware don´t have to limit the sceentime because they have to use a replacement.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 10, 2022 15:45:54 GMT
Too bad Greg Elliot went off the deep end. There was a huge opportunity with Cullen to deal with some of his PTSD with Meredith being back and providing a pivotal role in bringing her down - his true atonement, of sorts. Would make more sence to connect Cullen with finally killing Meredith than Varric but i also won´t want to use Cullen ever again because of the issues of his english!!! voice actor Greg Ellis. Maybe if Ellis won´t had went mad they would used him for the show in season 2 but this won´t happen either. But i would love to see Aveline and (yes crazy from me to say this i know i know  ) but also Varric because it would make sense that he would appear as Kirkwalls viscount.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 10, 2022 16:13:24 GMT
Too bad Greg Elliot went off the deep end. There was a huge opportunity with Cullen to deal with some of his PTSD with Meredith being back and providing a pivotal role in bringing her down - his true atonement, of sorts. They could just recast.
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Post by Kyros on Dec 10, 2022 16:52:56 GMT
I really hope not. They're already pushing it big time with M. being alive if Cory is alive then it would make a big chunk of Inquisition feel pointless. Despite recent events I do believe that he is dead and gone.
Honestly, Bioware really needs to learn that the dead ought to stay dead.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 10, 2022 17:56:16 GMT
I really hope not. They're already pushing it big time with M. being alive if Cory is alive then it would make a big chunk of Inquisition feel pointless. Despite recent events I do believe that he is dead and gone. Honestly, Bioware really needs to learn that the dead ought to stay dead. Why do people think Corypheus is dead? The Inquisitor teleported his ass into the Fade via a rift. That's how the battle ended. There was no big explosion like when the Archdemon was dealt with in DAO to confirm his soul and body were destroyed. There wasn't even a body like at the end of Legacy when Hawke "killed" him (and then the Warden started to act weirdly to show something wasn't right, but most players missed the hints). The ending of Inquisition always annoyed me and I always expected to see Corypheus again because of it. That wasn't a death, that was a pass the problem to someone else. Corypheus spent a thousand years sleeping in his prison, has already made trip physically to the Fade and he's a powerful mage with knowledge long forgotten. He doesn't need to eat or sleep. He can't be killed for real either. The Inquisitor gave him a vacation, not a death sentence. Meredith is a bit more complicated, but DAI lore/codexes on Red Lyrium allows for her to have still be alive petrified as Red Lyrium and Lyrium in general does weird shit as Varric would say.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 10, 2022 18:07:42 GMT
The problem i had with Meredith and Corypheus what´s the point? Technically speaking you can maybe somehow even explain their return. Why the need for their return from a story point of view? Don´t they trust in Solas aka the Dreadwolf? Also Red Lyrium Meredith and especially Corypheus aren´t that well received in the fandom or from the professional critics. The last thing in building up the new threat of the Dreadwolf is bringing back the old and lame back. Also i don´t think that making them into secondary villians with their own agenda against the Dreadwolf will work. And as temp allies? This is crazy. Just because it might worked in the lastest Spiderman movie you don´t have to write a similiar story.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 10, 2022 18:28:12 GMT
And as temp allies? This is crazy. Just because it might worked in the lastest Spiderman movie you don´t have to write a similiar story. *cough*Sarevok*cough* From what I've been seeing online elsewhere (not even a BioWare fan related place), people seems game for the return of Meredith. It think many are like me and just like the craziness of it all.
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Post by saandrig on Dec 10, 2022 18:37:05 GMT
I just finished Absolution.
Dare I ask - What. The. Hell???
How many DA2 antagonists are we bringing back as main stars in follow up games? Someone call the Arishok and Orsino. They are bound to show up eventually too.
Hawke really didn't know how to clean house. And someone fetch me Varric. I suspect the little bastard didn't tell us everything he knows
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DA2 ... AKA "Dragon Age: Exodus" remaster CONFIRMED! 
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 10, 2022 18:43:37 GMT
Oh yes Throne of Bhaal many years had passed since the last time i played but there is also the evil choice of the Deaths Hand in Jade Empire.
But still i argue that aiding with Meredith and / or Corypheus isn´t the same. Also who in the right mind wants that? Sure. Branka survived her time in the lava, Quentin fake his death and lives for many years with a new name and Orsino is also not dead. The only one who won´t come back atleast if they won´t change her design is The Mother because if remember correctly 12 reasons?
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 10, 2022 18:47:38 GMT
I don´t mind to see the old DA 2 Arishok back. Also i hoped that Sten aka the new Arishok had something to do in DAD because what about the Qunari invasion? Poor Sten and his foreshadowing in DAO. I naive fool had imagined that a Qunari invasion were enough for one game.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 10, 2022 20:24:42 GMT
Something else to think about. If you sacrificed Hawke in Here lies the Abyss, maybe they are teaming up with Corypheus to get out of the Fade these days. 
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Post by wickedcool on Dec 10, 2022 21:30:15 GMT
Any chance she’s the red idol and the voice actress is just coincidence. Also Cory had the orb in that poster which was destroyed? Maybe he’s there for a flashback only?
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Post by saandrig on Dec 10, 2022 21:32:27 GMT
Something else to think about. If you sacrificed Hawke in Here lies the Abyss, maybe they are teaming up with Corypheus to get out of the Fade these days.  Corypheus: You are dealing with forces beyond your ken. Hawke: Cory, what kind of Wicked Grace did they teach in your time? You are holding just two serpents. Calling your bluff. And if Varric asks, tell him we battled hordes of demons. Definitely don't mention we played cards waiting for a portal to emerge.
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Post by saandrig on Dec 10, 2022 21:34:03 GMT
Any chance she’s the red idol and the voice actress is just coincidence. Also Cory had the orb in that poster which was destroyed? Maybe he’s there for a flashback only? Well, the red idol is in Solas' possession now (Tevinter Nights story). But who knows, maybe there is a lingering idol effect or something.
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