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Post by Iddy on Mar 26, 2023 0:13:55 GMT
from the characters we have in Tevinter Nights or the comics, who would it be?
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Mar 26, 2023 6:40:42 GMT
Well I haven't read the Missing yet, but I think I'd enjoy playing with: - Neve Gallus, the private investigator (laetan human mage) - Lucanis Dellamorte, chaotic dumbass (antivan crow human rogue) - Mateo, the Delver/ruins expert (Lord of Fortune human Warrior)
I don't dislike the others or anything, most of them would do just fine expanded into a companion. But these ones jump to mind.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 26, 2023 7:42:47 GMT
Only one that really comes to mind was Sidony from Tevinter Nights. I was quite surprised to find out that A. she was already a MP character for Inquisition and B. is apparently not well liked but I found her to be quite awesome and I am quite sure I said she had companion energy over in the Tevinter thread.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 26, 2023 9:05:52 GMT
None. Even the few I like I don’t want to see ruined or further ruined by being involved in the game.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 26, 2023 9:07:02 GMT
From Tevinter Nights: - Neve Gallus, the private investigator (laetan human mage) I liked Neve in TN and also think her skill set is just the sort of thing we would need in a companion. I'm very hopeful she will be. - Lucanis Dellamorte, chaotic dumbass (antivan crow human rogue) I've sort of got a soft spot for him too, as a bad boy but with principles that he appeared to be in TN. On the face of it, they killed him off in that short story but I don't believe it. I think he cooked up some scheme with his cousin so he could leave the Crows behind. Still, it would be rather treading old ground, a sort of Zevran 2.0 and he is a hard act to follow. - Mateo, the Delver/ruins expert (Lord of Fortune human Warrior) I wouldn't mind Mateo. He seems like a solid sort and likely has plenty of tales to tell about his previous adventures. Plus, like Neve, he seems to have a skill set that would be helpful when trying to track down Solas or ancient artifacts to use against him. I would give an honourable mention to Rasaan as I think she would be a fascinating person to get to know and, of course, fills the remit of a female Qunari. None of the other characters introduced in TN really interest me enough to want to see them again. As for the comics, well I'm waiting on the final two issues of the Missing to see what is offered there but there isn't anyone who really stands out from previous series. I like Vaea but I don't think she would have the experience or toughness of character to be a good fit. Of course, the death of her mentor could have impacted on her outlook on life but I think if they altered her too much, it would take away what I like about her. So, I'd rather they leave her, Francesca and Autumn out of it, although I wouldn't mind having a mabari again. Evka/Antoine and Teia/Viago are couples in TN, the short stories and the comics, so unless they were going to make them suffer bereavement, having one would necessarily involve the other. I think we may encounter them and they may even act as contacts/quest givers along our journey but I doubt they will be companions.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Mar 26, 2023 11:29:18 GMT
Maevaris Tilani of course and i like the idea that Skullguy could be Audric Felhausen from Tevinter Nights: Down Among the Dead Men.
I don´t believe that we get more than 2 from Comics and the novels so i leave it with 2 companions.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 26, 2023 12:07:52 GMT
Maevaris Tilani of course Stupid me, I totally forgot about her. That comic series was a long time ago but she does also appear in TN. I think my main objection to Maevaris is that I'm not sure they could do her justice in their depiction of her. Small cameos in a comic or short story aren't quite the same as keeping up the momentum for an entire game, which is why I think she is more likely to be a contact rather than a companion Still, if they were able to pull it off as a companion, I think she could be awesome. Audric Felhausen from Tevinter Nights: Down Among the Dead Men. The bubble head concept art also increases the chances of him appearing, although I'm not entirely convinced how engaging he would be as a companion. I suppose the fact that he was a real person might help. After Justice and Cole, I feel there is not much more they can do by way of the "spirit learning what it is to be human" trope.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Mar 26, 2023 13:01:05 GMT
I suppose the fact that he was a real person might help. I think that is his storyline. Or if you will instead of Justice the real Kristoff had survived. I also think that his work as a Mortalitasi Mourn Watcher would make him interessing. In general the Mortalitasi aren´t that explored so Audric has a good chance for a DAD companion slot. By the way i would rule out Evka, Antoine and also Valya, Reimas plus Caronel from the Last Flight novel because i am pretty convinced that Davrin is our only Grey Warden companion in DAD. I know that some want Evka and Antonie as companions because they are a couple but sorry Davrin it is.
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Post by Gileadan on Mar 26, 2023 13:13:30 GMT
Didn't read any book or comic. The ones from the short stories weren't very interesting. New characters all around please.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 26, 2023 14:04:05 GMT
From Tevinter Nights: - Neve Gallus, the private investigator (laetan human mage) I liked Neve in TN and also think her skill set is just the sort of thing we would need in a companion. I'm very hopeful she will be. - Lucanis Dellamorte, chaotic dumbass (antivan crow human rogue) I've sort of got a soft spot for him too, as a bad boy but with principles that he appeared to be in TN. On the face of it, they killed him off in that short story but I don't believe it. I think he cooked up some scheme with his cousin so he could leave the Crows behind. Still, it would be rather treading old ground, a sort of Zevran 2.0 and he is a hard act to follow. - Mateo, the Delver/ruins expert (Lord of Fortune human Warrior) I wouldn't mind Mateo. He seems like a solid sort and likely has plenty of tales to tell about his previous adventures. Plus, like Neve, he seems to have a skill set that would be helpful when trying to track down Solas or ancient artifacts to use against him. I would give an honourable mention to Rasaan as I think she would be a fascinating person to get to know and, of course, fills the remit of a female Qunari. None of the other characters introduced in TN really interest me enough to want to see them again. As for the comics, well I'm waiting on the final two issues of the Missing to see what is offered there but there isn't anyone who really stands out from previous series. I like Vaea but I don't think she would have the experience or toughness of character to be a good fit. Of course, the death of her mentor could have impacted on her outlook on life but I think if they altered her too much, it would take away what I like about her. So, I'd rather they leave her, Francesca and Autumn out of it, although I wouldn't mind having a mabari again. Evka/Antoine and Teia/Viago are couples in TN, the short stories and the comics, so unless they were going to make them suffer bereavement, having one would necessarily involve the other. I think we may encounter them and they may even act as contacts/quest givers along our journey but I doubt they will be companions. I'm against making Vadis a companion (or whatever is her name) for the same reason. We already had a rebel altus in the last game, so it would be treading on old ground. Also, she strikes me as a bit childish and not particularly likeable. I did enjoy Iria, however. And yes... couples are generally troublesome because they are sort of a package, unless one of the lovebirds is an irrelevant character like Vivienne's lover.
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Post by ClaudiaSilvestri on Mar 26, 2023 16:58:18 GMT
And yes... couples are generally troublesome because they are sort of a package, unless one of the lovebirds is an irrelevant character like Vivienne's lover.
As seen in Baldur's Gate, Bioware has a solution to that, but unfortunately it's 'death'.
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Post by TabithaTH on Mar 26, 2023 17:32:16 GMT
I really liked Illario and Lucanis as well as the two characters from the necropolis story, I forget their names, but I liked them. Illario might get too close to Dorian with his ‘rockstar’ vibe. And someone else already mentioned Lucanis and Zevran.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Mar 26, 2023 18:02:45 GMT
Didn't read any book or comic. The ones from the short stories weren't very interesting. New characters all around please. The majority of the DAD companions will be very likely new characters like in the previous games. We only talking about 3-4 already existing ones so no big deal.
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Post by githcheater on Mar 26, 2023 18:38:28 GMT
Didn't read any book or comic. The ones from the short stories weren't very interesting. New characters all around please. The majority of the DAD companions will be very likely new characters like in the previous games. We only talking about 3-4 already existing ones so no big deal.
I don't believe that we've had more than three preexisting "full time" companions?
DAI - Cassandra. Cole, Varric
DA2 - Isabela, Merrill, Anders
DAA - Ogren, Nathaniel
So hope fully no more than three "retreads".
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Mar 26, 2023 19:18:46 GMT
I don't believe that we've had more than three preexisting "full time" companions? Correct but i still think that 4 could be possible. 2 characters from the previous game but no returning companion for the first time.
Let´s say Harding as the bridge companion which connects DAI and DAD. Then a secondary character which Bioware want to promote and therefore flesh out. No surprise that i pick Calpernia for this slot. And one other two companions from other media. One from the comics for example Maevaris or Rasaan. But maybe they pick another one from the novels aka Tevinter Nights. I mentioned Audric but this could of course some one else.
Nathaniel wasn´t or even mentioned in DAO. He is a complete new character. Also i would argue that Sera is a new character. The child laughter in DAO doesn´t count in my opinion.
Also it´s not really just Anders. It´s Anders plus Justice.
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Post by githcheater on Mar 26, 2023 21:11:46 GMT
I don't believe that we've had more than three preexisting "full time" companions? Correct but i still think that 4 could be possible. 2 characters from the previous game but no returning companion for the first time.
Let´s say Harding as the bridge companion which connects DAI and DAD. Then a secondary character which Bioware want to promote and therefore flesh out. No surprise that i pick Calpernia for this slot. And one other two companions from other media. One from the comics for example Maevaris or Rasaan. But maybe they pick another one from the novels aka Tevinter Nights. I mentioned Audric but this could of course some one else. Nathaniel wasn´t or even mentioned in DAO. He is a complete new character. Also i would argue that Sera is a new character. The child laughter in DAO doesn´t count in my opinion.
Also it´s not really just Anders. It´s Anders plus Justice. Nathaniel was in a Penny Arcade comic in late 2009.
Anders/Justice was one companion ... with two personalities
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Mar 26, 2023 21:51:06 GMT
Nathaniel was in a Penny Arcade comic in late 2009.
I don´t think that this counts if comic and game are releasing at the same time frame.  I saw this back then as promotion material for the Awakening Addon nothing more and nothing less. You may disagree but for me he is a complete new character.
By the way i would make the case argument for James Vega. He appeared in a short comic before but at this time like Nathaniel he has been revealed before to appear in ME 3. But two companions in DAA and that´s my point. Yes in DA 2 they are one but they brought both back and combine them into one.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Mar 26, 2023 22:17:52 GMT
From Tevinter Nights:] Lucanis Dellamorte, chaotic dumbass (antivan crow human rogue) I've sort of got a soft spot for him too, as a bad boy but with principles that he appeared to be in TN. On the face of it, they killed him off in that short story but I don't believe it. I think he cooked up some scheme with his cousin so he could leave the Crows behind. Still, it would be rather treading old ground, a sort of Zevran 2.0 and he is a hard act to follow. Oh I dunno Zevran was partially raised in a brothel and then sold to the crows like a slave, and was on a suicide mission at the beginning of dao because of what happened with his love. As far as I remember he didn't do any heroics before joining the HoF? He can ascend to power in the epilogue when he starts going on the offensive and attacking the crows instead of just waiting for their assassins to come for him. By comparison Lucanis is like crow royalty, I doubt he suffered the same amount in the crow training as Zevran did or atleast that he wasn't at risk of being killed. He is a direct descendent of the first talon and her preferred successor, but he doesn't want it, prefers to be in the field. And before meeting any PCs he is already risking missions trying to get slaves free, and making contact with local subversives. Also given that misguided move with the Vengeance demons he's probably a bit stupider then Zevran XD. The only thing they've really got in common is being an Antivan Crow. And that hasn't stopped us from having Grey Warden companion every game.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 27, 2023 7:55:17 GMT
The only thing they've really got in common is being an Antivan Crow. I can see where you are coming from but apart from their different starting point in the Crows, they do have some similarities in their character, although you might not discover this with Zevran depending on which missions he is with you for. For example, he does have principles with regard to the enslavement of the elves in the alienage and makes this clear if he thinks you are considering doing a deal with the Magister. Because he never had the same status as Lucanis, he couldn't exercise the same degree of discretion that Lucanis does in TN. However, the fact that Illario keeps objecting suggests that not only is this not standard Crow practice but that Lucanis has never previously demonstrated a social conscience. As far as training went, whilst his grandmother may never have allow him to die through his training, it was tough, almost cruel at times, although Lucanis acknowledges this was likely to ensure his survival in the future in the highly competitive and ruthless organisation of the Crows. To that extent, that is only what they are doing with their slave recruits; it is survival of the fittest, with no room for sentiment. That is the true nature of the Crows. Both Zevran and Lucanis need the opportunity to see something outside this sort of life for them to consider leaving it. Zevran originally considered suicide because there did seem no other way out for him and, to be honest, if Lucanis has faked his own death, that is pretty much the same. Now I agree that Lucanis could be developed along different lines to Zevran as a companion and, on the evidence of TN, he does seem a much darker, colder personality, although not without a sense of humour apparently. It does depend on the writing. There is certainly the potential there for a really interesting character development but they need to avoid relying too much on the flippant side of his nature to make him sympathetic to the players, particularly those who have never read TN. That is what I meant when I said he could just be Zevran 2.0 if they are not careful to make him distinctly different. Another thing which could be a factor is that with his voluntary relinquishing of his status in the Crows, Lucanis would be effectively starting again from nothing, albeit with perhaps some useful contacts in the Tevinter underworld. If they are still pursuing the stated theme of the Behind the Scenes video of what it is like to have no power (other than your own abilities) perhaps this related to your companions as much as the new hero. Thinking about it from this perspective: Davrin is a Grey Warden, whose HQ has come under attack and is likely pretty much destroyed. Any security he once had in that organisation has been shattered. Bellara is likely from a faction which either has little power or has been exiled from it, for example a Kal-Sharok dwarf who has been banished. Lucanis is Crow who faked his own death in order to escape the destiny his grandmother had planned for him but is now without the security of his status within the Crows. Neve is someone who runs outside of the usual avenues of power in Tevinter and so has no one she can rely on but herself. Mateo is a Lord of Fortune, a freelance treasure hunter, whose guild carries no particular political clout and whose members thus have no real status in society other than with each other. Maevaris is an Altus who family seat was in Qarinus/Ventus and thus is currently under Qunari occupation, so may well have lost standing in the Senate as a result. You see the general trend I am working with. Look for a potential companion that either has no status in society or has suffered/will suffer a fall from grace from the status they once enjoyed.
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