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Post by QuizzyBunny on Nov 22, 2023 12:03:48 GMT
I'm playing a druid, and I will admit I don't feel like the most powerful in my group of heroes. Probably specced her wrong. I have come to use her mostly as a utility caster, with wild shaping when we need some extra tanking and chaos against big groups. I feel like the most powerful classes in BG3 that I've tried are barbarians, rogues, and wizards.
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Post by mousestalker on Nov 22, 2023 13:41:46 GMT
Wildshape is pretty much key to druids in BG3. That and the ability to chat with every animal easily. My drow druid spends most of her time in spider form. For reasons.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Nov 22, 2023 19:52:52 GMT
Question for those with more DnD (and probably more BG3) experience. Are druids just crap? Do they require a bit more thought than other classes to be useful early? Are they actually not useful at all until later levels? Or do I need to git gud? If so: suggestions? The game gives us two, for reasons known only to Mystra, and I never want to use either of them. They go down at the first sign of trouble and if they aren't missing every enemy, every turn, they're damaging the party as much as their targets. Druids are generally not considered beginner-D&D-player friendly, at least in the tabletop game. You have to be comfortable with both weapon combat and spell combat, as well as learning the unique Wild Shape mechanics. Wild Shape has become much more key to their identity than in earlier editions, where they were primarily just nature casters. If you aren't using Wild Shape in 5E, then you basically need to forget about melee and embrace their caster potential. They have cooler offensive spells than clerics while still having access to decent healing spells. If you want to go melee, you better be Circle of the Moon. They can actually be quite OP tanks at low levels because of the massive amounts of extra HP you get when you Wild Shape (always go bear!). In my experience, though, even Circle of the Moon druids have to rely more on spells at higher levels because their damage can't keep up with the warrior classes. I haven't found the druid companions yet (I'm still in Act 1), but in the previous BG games Jaheira was a dual-class fighter/druid. Even with her fighter levels, I still kept her at range just because it was easier for her to cast spells that way and there were much better melee fighter companions available. Those who've made it farther into BG3, is she still dual-class? Which circle did Larian choose for her? I'm honestly surprised they added another druid companion if they knew they were bringing Jaheira back; seems like a wasted opportunity for a bard or good-aligned paladin. Crap. Sorry Bondari - I didn't even think to consider the number of druid companions as being a spoiler... Thanks, for the advice, though.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Nov 22, 2023 19:53:37 GMT
Halsin was originally just going to be a standard NPC and only got added as a companion after fans loved him so much in early access. Jaheira was always planned to be in. Personally I would have preferred them to add Alfira in as companion, but that was not to be. Ah - Ok, that makes a bit more sense. A bard companion would've been good.
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Post by talyn82 on Nov 23, 2023 1:46:27 GMT
I feel like the most powerful classes in BG3 that I've tried are barbarians, rogues, and wizards. Yeah I can attest to both Barbarian and Wizards being powerful classes. My first character was a Drow wizard and my second character was a human barbarian.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 23, 2023 18:36:59 GMT
I played a druid as a total D&D noob and played her like a melee tank for the most part, always owlbear shape. I found that to be very straightforward. Since I'm not super smart and don't know much about all the intricacies I basically ran around as a melee party all game and that worked fine on Normal difficulty. My druid/Laezel/Karlach/Shadowheart for a bit of magic. And sometimes my druid would do some spells too.
I read druids were weak before I started playing but since I don't know how to play any class well I didn't notice that.
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Post by azarhal on Nov 23, 2023 19:03:54 GMT
I played a druid as a total D&D noob and played her like a melee tank for the most part, always owlbear shape. I found that to be very straightforward. Since I'm not super smart and don't know much about all the intricacies I basically ran around as a melee party all game and that worked fine on Normal difficulty. My druid/Laezel/Karlach/Shadowheart for a bit of magic. And sometimes my druid would do some spells too. I read druids were weak before I started playing but since I don't know how to play any class well I didn't notice that. D&D bears don't get owlbear shapes, that's one of the buff Larian gave the class. I'll have to play one when I return to the game.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Nov 24, 2023 5:02:26 GMT
Two questions;
1 - Does anyone have the achievement for Multi-classing through all 12 levels with a different class? And, if so, did you acquire it 'naturally' i.e. with a character you used regularly throughout the game? Or was it someone you just decided to leave out on that particular run?
2 - I am thinking I might multi-class my sorcerer. It would be an 8/4 so I don't miss any Feats, but looking for suggestions as to a class with good synergy. It needs to be 'viable'. I'm not good enough at the combat to be going in to the end game with a subpar main character. Would prefer a non-casting class, if anyone thinks there is a good pairing available for sorcerer that fits that description?
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1 - Does anyone have the achievement for Multi-classing through all 12 levels with a different class? And, if so, did you acquire it 'naturally' i.e. with a character you used regularly throughout the game? Or was it someone you just decided to leave out on that particular run? Thank you. Hadn't even considered using a benched character and lo and behold had a lvl 12 save with a lvl 1 party follower. And now that I think of it. A hireling would've done the same job... So got the achivo with a benched character all thanks to you Had been idling with the idea of doing a multi class run (with someone named Jack naturally) but don't know if I'd have had the attention span/interest for it. Also I'm terrified of "doing multiclassing wrong" so it nice skipping that as well. So don't have an answer for question 2.
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Post by Liadan on Nov 24, 2023 17:00:07 GMT
Two questions; 1 - Does anyone have the achievement for Multi-classing through all 12 levels with a different class? And, if so, did you acquire it 'naturally' i.e. with a character you used regularly throughout the game? Or was it someone you just decided to leave out on that particular run? I used ( Act 3 spoilers) Minsc for it, at the time we recruit him we have to level him up from level 2 to 12, has i`m not that good with combat, i`m still playing on explorer, this was the easiest way i found to get this achievement (and probably the only way that i could get it, to be honest )
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Post by coldwetn0se on Nov 24, 2023 19:06:42 GMT
Two questions; 1 - Does anyone have the achievement for Multi-classing through all 12 levels with a different class? And, if so, did you acquire it 'naturally' i.e. with a character you used regularly throughout the game? Or was it someone you just decided to leave out on that particular run? 2 - I am thinking I might multi-class my sorcerer. It would be an 8/4 so I don't miss any Feats, but looking for suggestions as to a class with good synergy. It needs to be 'viable'. I'm not good enough at the combat to be going in to the end game with a subpar main character. Would prefer a non-casting class, if anyone thinks there is a good pairing available for sorcerer that fits that description? I am doing it the slow way, with a main Tav. He is on the backburner for right now, but is currently at level 3 (about half way to level 4). As of this time, he has a level in Fighter, one in Barb, and one in Bard. I initially had a specific plan on how he would be leveled up, but I will have to find my post on it. Terrible memory His name is Todd, he is a bit of a dolt, and does a tad too much "people pleasing" for his own good. He also is in awe of his companions, so he really tries to ingratiate himself with them. Made him a Tiefling just to get another race under my belt. I did consider using either a Gith, Duegar or Halfling, for some of the cool racial features, but due to how I intend to play him now I think this fits (and he still gets darkvision and resistance to fire, so not bad. ). Gear, potions/elixirs, and possibly tadpoles (haven't made up my mind yet on that), will be very key to him being at all useful. Shhh....don't tell him, but he won't be useful.
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Post by mousestalker on Nov 25, 2023 3:01:28 GMT
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Post by Bondari the Reloader on Nov 26, 2023 6:32:33 GMT
Two questions; 1 - Does anyone have the achievement for Multi-classing through all 12 levels with a different class? And, if so, did you acquire it 'naturally' i.e. with a character you used regularly throughout the game? Or was it someone you just decided to leave out on that particular run? 2 - I am thinking I might multi-class my sorcerer. It would be an 8/4 so I don't miss any Feats, but looking for suggestions as to a class with good synergy. It needs to be 'viable'. I'm not good enough at the combat to be going in to the end game with a subpar main character. Would prefer a non-casting class, if anyone thinks there is a good pairing available for sorcerer that fits that description? No worries about any spoiling! I knew who the companions were already; I just don't know where they are, lol. In response to your #2, any class that is Charisma based pairs well with sorcerer. My recommendation would probably be paladin. Warlock is too redundant to be much fun, in my opinion. Bards are more versatile than pretty much any other class, but their arcane casting abilities overlap a lot with sorcerers. Paladins not only give you melee combat potential, but you also get access to a limited selection of divine spells. It's basically the best of all worlds! You'll want to focus on Charisma, Constitution, and Strength for a sorcerer/paladin build. (thank the gods you don't need to worry about Wisdom for paladins anymore; one of the best changes 5E brought to D&D!) If you want to think a bit more outside the box, sorcerer/clerics can be very powerful if built right. You're really committing to the caster role, but the sheer versatility of spells combined with the sorcerer's unique abilities make it a fun combo. Emphasize Charisma, Wisdom, and Constitution if you go that route.
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Post by Bondari the Reloader on Nov 26, 2023 6:37:01 GMT
I played a druid as a total D&D noob and played her like a melee tank for the most part, always owlbear shape. I found that to be very straightforward. Since I'm not super smart and don't know much about all the intricacies I basically ran around as a melee party all game and that worked fine on Normal difficulty. My druid/Laezel/Karlach/Shadowheart for a bit of magic. And sometimes my druid would do some spells too. I read druids were weak before I started playing but since I don't know how to play any class well I didn't notice that. D&D bears don't get owlbear shapes, that's one of the buff Larian gave the class. I'll have to play one when I return to the game. I forgot about the owlbear option! Forget what I said about regular bears; always go owlbear! I believe Wizards is changing the creature type of owlbears to beasts to druids can "legally" wild shape into them when they release the 2024 rulebooks. Doric from the Honor Among Thieves movie just made the possibility too exciting! If players can do it in BG3, too, then I'm sure it's officially coming to the tabletop rules.
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Post by azarhal on Nov 26, 2023 12:01:32 GMT
D&D bears don't get owlbear shapes, that's one of the buff Larian gave the class. I'll have to play one when I return to the game. I forgot about the owlbear option! Forget what I said about regular bears; always go owlbear! I believe Wizards is changing the creature type of owlbears to beasts to druids can "legally" wild shape into them when they release the 2024 rulebooks. Doric from the Honor Among Thieves movie just made the possibility too exciting! If players can do it in BG3, too, then I'm sure it's officially coming to the tabletop rules. The only reasons Druids can do it in BG3 is because of the movie. Early access players requested it. Amusingly, the white owlbear Doric's turns into was what the BG3 act 1 owlbear looked like originally, but Larian changed her to the "correct" color one or two patches before release.
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Post by talyn82 on Nov 29, 2023 14:46:37 GMT
Well apparently an Oath of the Ancients paladin, is a paladin of nature. Not really what I wanted when I thought of the Aasimar paladin. When choosing a subclass it sounded very paladin like. But oh well I am not going to restart again. I will just not think about it.
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Post by Ravenfeeder on Nov 29, 2023 16:02:31 GMT
Well apparently an Oath of the Ancients paladin, is a paladin of nature. Not really what I wanted when I thought of the Aasimar paladin. When choosing a subclass it sounded very paladin like. But oh well I am not going to restart again. I will just not think about it. Oath of Ancients gets Speak to Animals. This makes it worth any other hassles.
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Post by azarhal on Nov 29, 2023 16:19:12 GMT
Well apparently an Oath of the Ancients paladin, is a paladin of nature. Not really what I wanted when I thought of the Aasimar paladin. When choosing a subclass it sounded very paladin like. But oh well I am not going to restart again. I will just not think about it. Oath of Ancients gets Speak to Animals. This makes it worth any other hassles. It's the best Paladin spec in the game. It gets to smiths like any Paladin, but gets great party support on top. The level 1 oath channel aoe heal level scale. The level 7th warding aura halve spells damage for you and allies (10m). I'll have to play one at some point. But then I want to play so many things. Maybe I can make some weird Druid/Paladin of the Ancient multiclass.
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Post by Ravenfeeder on Nov 29, 2023 17:08:01 GMT
My alt is an Ancients Paladin. But I want to finish my Bard before going back to him - I left him just before the boat to the Grymforge.
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Post by talyn82 on Nov 30, 2023 1:44:31 GMT
It's the best Paladin spec in the game. It gets to smiths like any Paladin, but gets great party support on top. The level 1 oath channel aoe heal level scale. The level 7th warding aura halve spells damage for you and allies (10m). I'll have to play one at some point. But then I want to play so many things. Maybe I can make some weird Druid/Paladin of the Ancient multiclass. I agree they are really useful. I just found it weird that there is such a thing as a nature paladin.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Nov 30, 2023 4:46:05 GMT
It's the best Paladin spec in the game. It gets to smiths like any Paladin, but gets great party support on top. The level 1 oath channel aoe heal level scale. The level 7th warding aura halve spells damage for you and allies (10m). I'll have to play one at some point. But then I want to play so many things. Maybe I can make some weird Druid/Paladin of the Ancient multiclass. I agree they are really useful. I just found it weird that there is such a thing as a nature paladin. Faerun has climate activists and they're backed by Gods. This is excellent news. If I do multiclass my Sorcerer from Level 8, I might just go for 4 levels of Nature Paladin.
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Post by Bondari the Reloader on Nov 30, 2023 6:15:08 GMT
It's the best Paladin spec in the game. It gets to smiths like any Paladin, but gets great party support on top. The level 1 oath channel aoe heal level scale. The level 7th warding aura halve spells damage for you and allies (10m). I'll have to play one at some point. But then I want to play so many things. Maybe I can make some weird Druid/Paladin of the Ancient multiclass. I agree they are really useful. I just found it weird that there is such a thing as a nature paladin. A lot of Faerun's gods have ties to nature, so it's not completely random lore-wise. Lathander, Selune, and Chauntea all spring to mind as good sources of divine nature power. If you want to be edgy, you could worship Umberlee, the BLEEP Queen of the Seas; she even had her own temple in old Baldur's Gate! Talos and Auril would also qualify as evil nature gods. You've definitely got options.
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Post by talyn82 on Nov 30, 2023 7:18:56 GMT
I agree they are really useful. I just found it weird that there is such a thing as a nature paladin. A lot of Faerun's gods have ties to nature, so it's not completely random lore-wise. Lathander, Selune, and Chauntea all spring to mind as good sources of divine nature power. If you want to be edgy, you could worship Umberlee, the BLEEP Queen of the Seas; she even had her own temple in old Baldur's Gate! Talos and Auril would also qualify as evil nature gods. You've definitely got options. Oh see I did not know any of this. Back when Planescape: Torment got released I got heavy into D&D lore, but over the years I've forgotten most of it. The Forgotten Realms have always been my favorite setting since the first two Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter games. But yes the way you explain it makes sense.
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Post by Ravenfeeder on Nov 30, 2023 15:13:25 GMT
From Larian's Xitter feed "Patch 5 is launching soon! This update will clock in at roughly 30GB and will require approximately 130GB of free space to install. If you find yourself without the space to install the update, we recommend uninstalling BG3 and then re-downloading the patched version."
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