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Post by CHRrOME on Jul 22, 2019 16:32:00 GMT
I also got to the series late (I think end of season 2). I think it was pretty poorly marketed in the beginning, for all of us SciFi nerds to miss it for so long. For me, it was a collegue pointing out that there was this show who did space travel in a really nice way in terms of physics. I checked it out and fell in love pretty much instantly. As for good shows getting axed, at least in terms of scifi shows, I think most often, it is the budget and nothing else. SciFi and space opera needs a ton of effects and while that got gradually cheaper with CGI, it still is a lot of man hours to make even small scenes (and the visual standards also increased over time). I remember them saying that they deliberately confined the storyline of the reimagined Battlestar Galactica to just a few seasons roght from the start since they were sure they wouldn't get more than 3-4 seasons out of the show befire the network would realize just how goddam expensive it is to maintain (and it probably gets more expensive as you go forward since you always have to do something to top what's happened in the last season. Combine that with a fairly limited target audience (at least when compared to many shows in real settings which also allows for cheaper production) and you can see why networks as business have a hard time justifying such expenses. It's a shame but there you go. I have never even heard of the show before. I think I found it because I was dicking around IMDb and saw it in the "similar to this" recommended list. And all the critiques seemed very good, back then GoT was amazing and one of the ratings gave it a "It's like GoT in space" And I was "SIGN ME IN FOR THAT" . Plus I was watching Dark Matter (axed too) thanks to a recommendation from a friend and wanted to keep watching something in the same genre, and I'm also happen to be a big sucker for sci fi stuff (duh, since I'm a member of a Bioware forum) so I definitely was going to give it a go. As for budget, I absolutely agree, I mean S1 has movie level CGI effects, the type of thing you never see on a tv show, clearly they cranked it it down a few notches in S2 and 3 because they probably figured a lot of money was vanishing just on that, even then it still looks pretty good.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jul 22, 2019 16:54:46 GMT
"It's like GoT in space" And I was "SIGN ME IN FOR THAT" Haha, that's pretty much my go-to description these days if someone asks me to tell them what the show is about in just one or two sentences (which happens quite a lot these days since I am trying to convince basically everyone I see that this show needs to be watched ).
I actually don't think it's that accurate but it's close enough and it sure gets people interested quickly. I just "converted" another friend of mine yesterday. He started last night and just sent me a text that he's already in the middle of S1. IN TIME, THEY SHALL ALL FALL TO THE EXPANSE!
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Post by dazk on Jul 22, 2019 21:57:50 GMT
Yeah I don't get it re good shows getting axed, I guess that's subjective but I also loved Firefly and couldn't believe that didn't get a 2nd season and number of viewers didn't even seem to be a justification for that. My only frustration is that the show has some differences to first three books and I just never understood why TBH. My life and books has been made a lot simpler and cheaper by recently getting a Kindle. I live in Australia and books and other media are REALLY expensive here, companies seem to think even I the digital age they can gouge us on books, DVD's and CD's etc. A paperback here costs between $25 and $30 AUD so to buy a 10 book set of books like The Empire of Bones saga would have cost me $300, more than a kindle costs. The good thing is with my Amazon book subscription ($12-99 per month) and the Amazon Kindle app (free) I ended up being able to "Borrow" most of the books for $0-00 or buy them for only $6-99. Same with the 14 book series I am reading now (Honer Harrington books), some I have borrowed for free and the rest are only $6-99. It has saved me heaps and I can access books I would have to order here and pay even higher prices!!!! The last book I bought was 800$ ARS, and oh boy if you try to buy trendy stuff like GoT books... You guys are fine. Here they used to tax anything that wasn't made in country, including books (college books even), medicine, software, on top of everything else like electronics (all the junk imported from china), it was a 50% tax. And the cars made in country? well, they require a "special" tax to balance with the rest, so the narrative of "buy national" was just that. All because the government doesn't know how to nickel and dime their citizens even further. OUCH!!!!!
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Post by dazk on Jul 22, 2019 22:01:34 GMT
I got lucky with this show as I just happened to ask Element Zero here on BSN about Lost in Space and he recommended The Expanse.
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Post by Heimdall on Jul 23, 2019 14:14:05 GMT
Just saw this:
Been awhile, but wasn’t this planet more lush in the books?
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Post by dazk on Jul 23, 2019 21:48:36 GMT
Just saw this: Been awhile, but wasn’t this planet more lush in the books? I didn't read it that long ago and don't remember it being "lush" rather that the vegetation was pretty sparse I think. It mentions oceans in other parts of the planet that are important later on in the book.
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Post by Heimdall on Jul 24, 2019 12:30:10 GMT
Just saw this: Been awhile, but wasn’t this planet more lush in the books? I didn't read it that long ago and don't remember it being "lush" rather that the vegetation was pretty sparse I think. It mentions oceans in other parts of the planet that are important later on in the book. yeah, for some reason I was picturing a jungle, it’s possible I misread however.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 24, 2019 19:16:26 GMT
Just saw this: Been awhile, but wasn’t this planet more lush in the books? I didn't read it that long ago and don't remember it being "lush" rather that the vegetation was pretty sparse I think. It mentions oceans in other parts of the planet that are important later on in the book. Illus was one big super-continent with a bunch of little islands. It's highly implied that the Ring Builders manipulated the planet to be this way, as well as the plants and animals on it. As for the environment, I don't recall where the colony itself was based, but the world was as temperate as Earth. And it had both arid and forested (or forest-analogous) regions. Thus why it was so highly desired.
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Post by dazk on Jul 24, 2019 22:50:43 GMT
I didn't read it that long ago and don't remember it being "lush" rather that the vegetation was pretty sparse I think. It mentions oceans in other parts of the planet that are important later on in the book. Illus was one big super-continent with a bunch of little islands. It's highly implied that the Ring Builders manipulated the planet to be this way, as well as the plants and animals on it. As for the environment, I don't recall where the colony itself was based, but the world was as temperate as Earth. And it had both arid and forested (or forest-analogous) regions. Thus why it was so highly desired. Pretty certain the colony was in an area very similar to that you see in the clip and the areas nearby were sandy desert type areas where the ruins of the proto-molecule race are. When Holden goes with Miller to look for the Alien tech don't they also drive 100's of Kilometres through mostly open desert areas?
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Post by CHRrOME on Jul 29, 2019 14:31:15 GMT
Thanks the goddess!
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Post by dazk on Jul 29, 2019 20:50:07 GMT
Thanks the goddess! Are you talking about PeeBee or Athame?
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Post by CHRrOME on Jul 30, 2019 17:45:05 GMT
Thanks the goddess! Are you talking about PeeBee or Athame? I just went full asari
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Post by AnDromedary on Jul 30, 2019 18:21:50 GMT
Are you talking about PeeBee or Athame? I just went full asari
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Post by dazk on Oct 8, 2019 3:01:33 GMT
So have been re-watching The Expanse and am half way through series 3, man it's a good show. Been missing out on too much sleep cramming extra episodes in. Just watched the episode that my signature contains. love that scene.
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Post by CHRrOME on Oct 8, 2019 22:39:06 GMT
So have been re-watching The Expanse and am half way through series 3, man it's a good show. Been missing out on too much sleep cramming extra episodes in. Just watched the episode that my signature contains. love that scene. Sad the new season is coming so late this year Every series I've been watching is aiming for november-december for the newest season.
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Post by dazk on Oct 8, 2019 22:44:26 GMT
So have been re-watching The Expanse and am half way through series 3, man it's a good show. Been missing out on too much sleep cramming extra episodes in. Just watched the episode that my signature contains. love that scene. Sad the new season is coming so late this year Every series I've been watching is aiming for november-december for the newest season. Yeah I intended to wait till closer to release but had a week at home to myself so couldn't help myself as then I can crank up the volume!!!! Oh well it will be an excuse to watch at least season 3 again!!!! But I intend to try and read the first 4 books again before then, hat might be a reach!!!!
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Post by Iakus on Oct 9, 2019 19:04:01 GMT
If it follows the books, the next season's gonna be pretty different from what has come before anyway.
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Post by dazk on Oct 9, 2019 22:10:31 GMT
If it follows the books, the next season's gonna be pretty different from what has come before anyway. Book four is one of my favourites, I hope they don't mess with it too much. A very different type of story to the previous books but some o the characters and interactions plus backstory to the aliens is great. Can't wait to see how well Amos and Burn Gorman's (security chief Murtry) characters interactions play out on screen.
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Post by CHRrOME on Oct 10, 2019 2:40:08 GMT
Well, if I ever get the books, it'll definitely be AFTER watching the show, that's for damn sure. I love the show as it is, don't want to read the books only to see that "that never happened!" while I'm watching the show and constantly be reminded that scene or something playing out never happens in the books. Happened to me to an extent even when GoT was good, and I hate it.
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Post by dazk on Oct 10, 2019 3:39:21 GMT
Well, if I ever get the books, it'll definitely be AFTER watching the show, that's for damn sure. I love the show as it is, don't want to read the books only to see that "that never happened!" while I'm watching the show and constantly be reminded that scene or something playing out never happens in the books. Happened to me to an extent even when GoT was good, and I hate it. Yeah TBH there are a few changes in the show that threw me ay first and I really just don't understand why they made them. One was around Bobbie's introduction to the story and the other involved getting rid of a character (a favourite of mine in book 3 ) and putting an existing character into that role. Then also adding some of the missing characters role to another main character in series 3. They also eliminated one of my favourite characters (a minor one) from the books but I could sort of understand that and gave her responsibilities to Naomi at the most important part of their role which kind of worked.
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Post by CHRrOME on Oct 10, 2019 15:21:21 GMT
Yeah TBH there are a few changes in the show that threw me ay first and I really just don't understand why they made them. One was around Bobbie's introduction to the story and the other involved getting rid of a character (a favourite of mine in book 3 ) and putting an existing character into that role. Then also adding some of the missing characters role to another main character in series 3. They also eliminated one of my favourite characters (a minor one) from the books but I could sort of understand that and gave her responsibilities to Naomi at the most important part of their role which kind of worked. That happened to me with GoT books, there were very important characters than never existed in the show, and they instead put some new one that wasn't in the books for no apparent reason. I ranted about this in the past. It's because it's "an adaptation" and directors think they know better than the original thing and want to stand up somehow. I understand that sometimes adding everything is just not possibly, but changing things radically is just dumb. If they want to create something, then create it from scratch, don't just take an existing property and bend it to whatever you think it's best. A book reader will never feel bored about a show that follow said book/s 100% accurate. I personally would love to see my favorite characters and story arcs pan out in a tv show. And those who never read the books wont feel salty because the show follow said books, because they don't even know what they're about anyways.
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Post by AnDromedary on Oct 25, 2019 20:52:33 GMT
Yeah TBH there are a few changes in the show that threw me ay first and I really just don't understand why they made them. One was around Bobbie's introduction to the story and the other involved getting rid of a character (a favourite of mine in book 3 ) and putting an existing character into that role. Then also adding some of the missing characters role to another main character in series 3. They also eliminated one of my favourite characters (a minor one) from the books but I could sort of understand that and gave her responsibilities to Naomi at the most important part of their role which kind of worked. That happened to me with GoT books, there were very important characters than never existed in the show, and they instead put some new one that wasn't in the books for no apparent reason. I ranted about this in the past. It's because it's "an adaptation" and directors think they know better than the original thing and want to stand up somehow. I understand that sometimes adding everything is just not possibly, but changing things radically is just dumb. If they want to create something, then create it from scratch, don't just take an existing property and bend it to whatever you think it's best. A book reader will never feel bored about a show that follow said book/s 100% accurate. I personally would love to see my favorite characters and story arcs pan out in a tv show. And those who never read the books wont feel salty because the show follow said books, because they don't even know what they're about anyways. Well, it always depends. When the LotR movies came out, I was irritated by some of the changes that Peter Jackson's team made. But when I watched all the behind the scenes stuff that came with the extended version DVDs, they did a pretty good job of explaining pretty much every change that they made and while I don't necessarily agree with all of them, I can now understand the reasons for all of them. Sometimes it's just casting or production and timing issues. But in general, I do think producers, writers and directors of these adaptations do spend a great deal of time deliberating such changes. I doubt many of them are just done on a whim or just for the sake of standing out. At least not purely for that reason.
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Post by CHRrOME on Oct 28, 2019 23:03:13 GMT
Well, it always depends. When the LotR movies came out, I was irritated by some of the changes that Peter Jackson's team made. But when I watched all the behind the scenes stuff that came with the extended version DVDs, they did a pretty good job of explaining pretty much every change that they made and while I don't necessarily agree with all of them, I can now understand the reasons for all of them. Sometimes it's just casting or production and timing issues. But in general, I do think producers, writers and directors of these adaptations do spend a great deal of time deliberating such changes. I doubt many of them are just done on a whim or just for the sake of standing out. At least not purely for that reason. The original LOTR trilogy wasn't too bad IMO. Maybe I'm biased because I watched the movies first and then read the books, but I think mostly Jackson did a fairly good job. For the second set of movies... awful. Even though I've read the Hobbit after the movies, I still think they suck massively. Mostly, they were stretched too much, it should've been 2 movies at the absolute most taking into consideration that the story was done in one book, and it's not like the Silmarillion that has tones of stories condensed into a single book (btw hoping for a set of movies about that book...).
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Post by Sifr on Oct 30, 2019 16:35:47 GMT
Well, it always depends. When the LotR movies came out, I was irritated by some of the changes that Peter Jackson's team made. But when I watched all the behind the scenes stuff that came with the extended version DVDs, they did a pretty good job of explaining pretty much every change that they made and while I don't necessarily agree with all of them, I can now understand the reasons for all of them. Sometimes it's just casting or production and timing issues. But in general, I do think producers, writers and directors of these adaptations do spend a great deal of time deliberating such changes. I doubt many of them are just done on a whim or just for the sake of standing out. At least not purely for that reason. The problem with a completely faithful adaptation of any work is that sometimes certain characters cannot be translated.
In Lord of the Rings, the prime example is Tom Bombadil, who appears very earlier in Fellowship, saving the Hobbits shortly after they leave the Shire. The problem with his character is that he seems to waltz in out of nowhere as if he was cut-and-pasted from a completely different story altogether (which he was), while being too overpowered for his own good, easily defeating powerful Wights with ease and later negating the powers/influence of the Ring entirely.
I agree with Peter Jackson that it was far easier in that instance, to simply omit him entirely from the film and have the Hobbits skip straight to Bree. It was easier than trying to figure some way that they could include him without completely breaking the narrative, as well as leaving audience members scratching their heads for the rest of the film's runtime, wondering why Frodo even needed to be the Ringbearer?
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