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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Dec 12, 2020 12:46:06 GMT
So I relatively know what happened in the novels. I'm kind of disappointed but it seems humanity would repeat the pattern left behind by the protomolecue creators and their unknown adversary; use the tech and wipe each other out. I surmise that's what happened. I'll only be too glad to know I'm wrong in the novels to come. But as it is, it's going to be an internal humanity fight in the next novel; High Consul Winston Duarte and the freedom fighters.
It's predictable, in a way.
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Post by dazk on Dec 13, 2020 0:42:05 GMT
So I relatively know what happened in the novels. I'm kind of disappointed but it seems humanity would repeat the pattern left behind by the protomolecue creators and their unknown adversary; use the tech and wipe each other out. I surmise that's what happened. I'll only be too glad to know I'm wrong in the novels to come. But as it is, it's going to be an internal humanity fight in the next novel; High Consul Winston Duarte and the freedom fighters.
It's predictable, in a way. Not sure how you have come to those conclusions without reading the novels but what you have said seems to relate to two specific pieces of info. i.e. the tech of the protomolecule creators and the adversary of the protomolecule creators and what has transpired in book 7 and 8 but there is a lot of additional content and context in the books (7 and 8) to those pieces that complicates what has happened and what might happen. In fact some of what happens may actually stop exactly what you have surmised will be the outcome but as the final book hasn't been written yet and with all the other moving parts it is hard to say what will finally happen. Having read all 8 novels I am still completely in the dark about what happens next as their are just far too many different characters and pieces in play for me to draw a conclusion and The Expanse has been far from predictable so far IMO.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Dec 13, 2020 3:10:44 GMT
So I relatively know what happened in the novels. I'm kind of disappointed but it seems humanity would repeat the pattern left behind by the protomolecue creators and their unknown adversary; use the tech and wipe each other out. I surmise that's what happened. I'll only be too glad to know I'm wrong in the novels to come. But as it is, it's going to be an internal humanity fight in the next novel; High Consul Winston Duarte and the freedom fighters.
It's predictable, in a way. Not sure how you have come to those conclusions without reading the novels but what you have said seems to relate to two specific pieces of info. i.e. the tech of the protomolecule creators and the adversary of the protomolecule creators and what has transpired in book 7 and 8 but there is a lot of additional content and context in the books (7 and 8) to those pieces that complicates what has happened and what might happen. In fact some of what happens may actually stop exactly what you have surmised will be the outcome but as the final book hasn't been written yet and with all the other moving parts it is hard to say what will finally happen. Having read all 8 novels I am still completely in the dark about what happens next as their are just far too many different characters and pieces in play for me to draw a conclusion and The Expanse has been far from predictable so far IMO. Well one thing is clear. S5 is going to be all about the Belter war against Inners and Mars. I hope there's something in there on the protomolecue question because I'm more interested in that. The only thing unpredictable as I see it that is, is the protomolecue question. The rest is pretty much predictable; humans fighting over the bone.
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Post by dazk on Dec 13, 2020 4:13:42 GMT
Not sure how you have come to those conclusions without reading the novels but what you have said seems to relate to two specific pieces of info. i.e. the tech of the protomolecule creators and the adversary of the protomolecule creators and what has transpired in book 7 and 8 but there is a lot of additional content and context in the books (7 and 8) to those pieces that complicates what has happened and what might happen. In fact some of what happens may actually stop exactly what you have surmised will be the outcome but as the final book hasn't been written yet and with all the other moving parts it is hard to say what will finally happen. Having read all 8 novels I am still completely in the dark about what happens next as their are just far too many different characters and pieces in play for me to draw a conclusion and The Expanse has been far from predictable so far IMO. Well one thing is clear. S5 is going to be all about the Belter war against Inners and Mars. I hope there's something in there on the protomolecue question because I'm more interested in that. The only thing unpredictable as I see it that is, is the protomolecue question. The rest is pretty much predictable; humans fighting over the bone. Series 5 definitely contains an element of the Belters v humans but the majority of it will be specifically about the individual crew members of The Roci. It follows Holden and another character from earlier in the series and Fred Johnston on Tycho station. It follows Naomi trying to find her son, it follows Amos on Earth dealing with a personal issue from his upbringing and it follows Bobbie and Amos on Mars. It will really depend on how much of book 6 they also try to fit into it as to how much Earth v Belters is in S5 but as to the Protomolecule stuff IIRC there is very little, book 7 and 8 deal with that more but probably from an angle you maybe don't fully know yet.
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 14, 2020 22:33:01 GMT
New article, shedding some light on the end of the series after s6: www.polygon.com/2020/12/10/22167489/the-expanse-season-6-canceled-or-season-7-beyond-plansWell, looking at this it seems to me like they will indeed do books 5 and 6 in seasons 5 and 6 respectively. Also the series was apparently not canceled due to budget concerns or anything like that and this article makes me hope that they will indeed pick it back up after a pause, which would be awesome but hopefully it's not gonna be 30 years. Or you know what? Maybe, just maybe they plan to make the last 3 books into a movie trilogy or something like that. Haven't read the article won't have time today. The movie idea isn't a bad one as that would allow them to use different and older actors. Oh, ok, I'd have wanted them to keep the actors actually. I was thinking of examples like Farscape: Peacekeeper Wars or Serenity, the Firefly movie.
I'd just age them with makeup/digitally. As long as it is high quality (thin King Theoden in LotR for an example of high quality hybrid makeup/digital aging) I wouldn't mind.
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Post by dazk on Dec 14, 2020 23:52:53 GMT
Haven't read the article won't have time today. The movie idea isn't a bad one as that would allow them to use different and older actors. Oh, ok, I'd have wanted them to keep the actors actually. I was thinking of examples like Farscape: Peacekeeper Wars or Serenity, the Firefly movie.
I'd just age them with makeup/digitally. As long as it is high quality (thin King Theoden in LotR for an example of high quality hybrid makeup/digital aging) I wouldn't mind. Yeah my preference would be to keep the actors too and I am sure it'd be possible as you pointed out that it could be done. I watched the last half of Serenity two nights ago as there was nothing else on, it's one of my favourite movies.
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 16, 2020 2:52:44 GMT
Oh, looks like the first three episodes are already up.
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Post by dazk on Dec 16, 2020 5:33:58 GMT
Oh, looks like the first three episodes are already up. In Oz? Cool will watch tonight if so!!!!!!
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 16, 2020 15:08:43 GMT
Oh, looks like the first three episodes are already up. In Oz? Cool will watch tonight if so!!!!!! Here in the US it was on Amazon Prime Video yesterday. I'd assume they have it on at the same time word wide ? Not sure though.
In any case, I still have 2 episodes of my season 4 rewatch left but will get to it tonight. Can't wait!
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Post by dazk on Dec 16, 2020 23:48:43 GMT
So watched the first three episodes and it was a slow start, wish I hadn't read the books some of the changes even minor ones with Amos's trip to Earth really annoyed me. Also in Season 4 did I miss how Drummer got her ship and crew I just remember her quitting? The story arc with the reporter Monica being kidnapped also seemed way shorter than it was in the book and built up no suspense what so ever.
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 18, 2020 10:25:54 GMT
Watched it as well yesterday and yea, a very slow start. We should have expected this, once it was clear that they’d stick with one book per season. Still, I expected the asteroid to hit at the end of ep2 at the latest. In principle I have nothing against changes from the book. E. g. I thought the Monica arc was perfectly fine. Two things I didn’t like though: 1. In the book, Naomi doesn’t tell Holden what she’s doing. She just tells him that she has to leave and asks him to trust her, which he does but it becomes an emotional strain for both down the road. That Holden knows now is just missing out on some tension. 2. The fact that they show so much about Inarus and how the asteroids are thrown before they hit is not great. In the book, the asteroid hit was a complete surprise when it happened and we only learned the back story after the fact. That was way better. As always, Amos was legend (loved the backpack ). My favorite quote so far goes to Fred though and IIRC it’s a direct adaptation from the book: Holden: “There was a button. I pushed it.” Fred: “Jesus! That’s really how you go through life, isn’t it?” dazk :yep, Drummer’s last scene in 4 is that she quits. However, I think it’s fine to see her in a new situation here because there is a text in the beginning, saying that at least half a year must have passed. Also, it’s very similar to how Michio Pa was handled in the book. She also was just there.
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Post by N7eezo on Dec 19, 2020 10:45:50 GMT
Despite knowing (only in broad strokes) what's coming, I'm ok with them ending it with season 6, even if there would be no live action continuation afterwards. Season 5 so far has been a blast, quite literally Don't really care about Naomi personal story even if it ties into the large looming one. Curious about Amos road ahead and hope we get to see more Bobbie, maybe even in power suit or piloting ships. Also, not sure it was just me, but there was uneasiness watching Alex Kamal scenes with female characters (family, Martian academy and Bobbie) due to real world stuff. Hope they can minimize his scenes and write his character out satisfyingly ASAP.
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Post by dazk on Dec 19, 2020 23:30:39 GMT
Watched it as well yesterday and yea, a very slow start. We should have expected this, once it was clear that they’d stick with one book per season. Still, I expected the asteroid to hit at the end of ep2 at the latest. In principle I have nothing against changes from the book. E. g. I thought the Monica arc was perfectly fine. Two things I didn’t like though: 1. In the book, Naomi doesn’t tell Holden what she’s doing. She just tells him that she has to leave and asks him to trust her, which he does but it becomes an emotional strain for both down the road. That Holden knows now is just missing out on some tension. 2. The fact that they show so much about Inarus and how the asteroids are thrown before they hit is not great. In the book, the asteroid hit was a complete surprise when it happened and we only learned the back story after the fact. That was way better. As always, Amos was legend (loved the backpack ). My favorite quote so far goes to Fred though and IIRC it’s a direct adaptation from the book: Holden: “There was a button. I pushed it.” Fred: “Jesus! That’s really how you go through life, isn’t it?” dazk :yep, Drummer’s last scene in 4 is that she quits. However, I think it’s fine to see her in a new situation here because there is a text in the beginning, saying that at least half a year must have passed. Also, it’s very similar to how Michio Pa was handled in the book. She also was just there. I so wish they hadn't written Michio Pa out of the TV Series, anyway to the point of Drummer getting a ship isn't Pa/Drummer adrift after quitting and Inaros convenes a meeting of senior OPA and includes Pa and gives them their ships and thus forming the Free Navy IIRC. So far there hasn't been any mention of the fact that the ships they have are Martian Frigates yeah?
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Post by Iakus on Dec 20, 2020 17:03:24 GMT
Watched it as well yesterday and yea, a very slow start. We should have expected this, once it was clear that they’d stick with one book per season. Still, I expected the asteroid to hit at the end of ep2 at the latest. In principle I have nothing against changes from the book. E. g. I thought the Monica arc was perfectly fine. Two things I didn’t like though: 1. In the book, Naomi doesn’t tell Holden what she’s doing. She just tells him that she has to leave and asks him to trust her, which he does but it becomes an emotional strain for both down the road. That Holden knows now is just missing out on some tension. 2. The fact that they show so much about Inarus and how the asteroids are thrown before they hit is not great. In the book, the asteroid hit was a complete surprise when it happened and we only learned the back story after the fact. That was way better. As always, Amos was legend (loved the backpack ). My favorite quote so far goes to Fred though and IIRC it’s a direct adaptation from the book: Holden: “There was a button. I pushed it.” Fred: “Jesus! That’s really how you go through life, isn’t it?” dazk :yep, Drummer’s last scene in 4 is that she quits. However, I think it’s fine to see her in a new situation here because there is a text in the beginning, saying that at least half a year must have passed. Also, it’s very similar to how Michio Pa was handled in the book. She also was just there. Drummer has become an amalgam of various Belter characters over the course of the series. Including Pa.
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 21, 2020 13:40:25 GMT
Watched it as well yesterday and yea, a very slow start. We should have expected this, once it was clear that they’d stick with one book per season. Still, I expected the asteroid to hit at the end of ep2 at the latest. In principle I have nothing against changes from the book. E. g. I thought the Monica arc was perfectly fine. Two things I didn’t like though: 1. In the book, Naomi doesn’t tell Holden what she’s doing. She just tells him that she has to leave and asks him to trust her, which he does but it becomes an emotional strain for both down the road. That Holden knows now is just missing out on some tension. 2. The fact that they show so much about Inarus and how the asteroids are thrown before they hit is not great. In the book, the asteroid hit was a complete surprise when it happened and we only learned the back story after the fact. That was way better. As always, Amos was legend (loved the backpack ). My favorite quote so far goes to Fred though and IIRC it’s a direct adaptation from the book: Holden: “There was a button. I pushed it.” Fred: “Jesus! That’s really how you go through life, isn’t it?” dazk :yep, Drummer’s last scene in 4 is that she quits. However, I think it’s fine to see her in a new situation here because there is a text in the beginning, saying that at least half a year must have passed. Also, it’s very similar to how Michio Pa was handled in the book. She also was just there. I so wish they hadn't written Michio Pa out of the TV Series, anyway to the point of Drummer getting a ship isn't Pa/Drummer adrift after quitting and Inaros convenes a meeting of senior OPA and includes Pa and gives them their ships and thus forming the Free Navy IIRC. So far there hasn't been any mention of the fact that the ships they have are Martian Frigates yeah? I think Drummer worked pretty well as an amalgamation of Bull/Rosenberg/Pa and possibly a few other more minor characters. I can understand that they had to constrain the cast a little for the series and IMO it worked ok here. While I don't quite remember all the details, I thought Pa also starts as captain and part of this new crew/extended marriage in book 5. I don't quite remember how exactly the series of events unfolded in the book but IMO, what happens to Drummer in s5 so far worked and it will lead rather nicely into her taking over Pa general role from the book. So I am ok with it.
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Post by dazk on Dec 21, 2020 22:28:06 GMT
I so wish they hadn't written Michio Pa out of the TV Series, anyway to the point of Drummer getting a ship isn't Pa/Drummer adrift after quitting and Inaros convenes a meeting of senior OPA and includes Pa and gives them their ships and thus forming the Free Navy IIRC. So far there hasn't been any mention of the fact that the ships they have are Martian Frigates yeah? I think Drummer worked pretty well as an amalgamation of Bull/Rosenberg/Pa and possibly a few other more minor characters. I can understand that they had to constrain the cast a little for the series and IMO it worked ok here. While I don't quite remember all the details, I thought Pa also starts as captain and part of this new crew/extended marriage in book 5. I don't quite remember how exactly the series of events unfolded in the book but IMO, what happens to Drummer in s5 so far worked and it will lead rather nicely into her taking over Pa general role from the book. So I am ok with it. Yeah I am OK with the Drummer/Pa amalgamation and Drummer goes missing in the books for a long while but later she plays an important role and her personality is way different from Pa's.
That they aren't going to do books 7, 8, 9 means Drummer would not have appeared in the series since book 3 except for very tiny parts I think. So it's probably good they did it but if they force the ending of book 8 in terms of the whole Transport Union thing then it will be difficult for me to accept Pa as the head of that.
I can't remember how Pa's story arc ends up.
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 22, 2020 15:03:03 GMT
I think Drummer worked pretty well as an amalgamation of Bull/Rosenberg/Pa and possibly a few other more minor characters. I can understand that they had to constrain the cast a little for the series and IMO it worked ok here. While I don't quite remember all the details, I thought Pa also starts as captain and part of this new crew/extended marriage in book 5. I don't quite remember how exactly the series of events unfolded in the book but IMO, what happens to Drummer in s5 so far worked and it will lead rather nicely into her taking over Pa general role from the book. So I am ok with it. Yeah I am OK with the Drummer/Pa amalgamation and Drummer goes missing in the books for a long while but later she plays an important role and her personality is way different from Pa's.
That they aren't going to do books 7, 8, 9 means Drummer would not have appeared in the series since book 3 except for very tiny parts I think. So it's probably good they did it but if they force the ending of book 8 in terms of the whole Transport Union thing then it will be difficult for me to accept Pa as the head of that.
I can't remember how Pa's story arc ends up. IIRC, Pa and her marriage partners are part of the free navi at first, then defect/break away from them, eventually ally with Holden and at the end of book 6, she becomes president of the new Transport Union. My guess is that this will be exactly Drummer's arc in season 5/6 of the series and when season 6 ends, Drummer will be made president, which would make sense IMO. And it seems they just replaced book-Drummer with some random dude in the TV show, which IMO is fine. Now, in book 7 Pa has long ended her term as president of the TU (I don't think much more about her fate is revealed) and book-Drummer is president. If they ever do continue the show and adapt book 7/8/9, it'll be interesting to see how they\d handle this. Would Drummer still be president in order to keep the actress (which would be weird, that the TU has the same leader for 40 years) or will they have someone new there? Would they even stick with the timeline? No idea there but for just seasons 5/6 I don't see any problems.
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Post by dazk on Dec 26, 2020 0:09:59 GMT
Yeah I am OK with the Drummer/Pa amalgamation and Drummer goes missing in the books for a long while but later she plays an important role and her personality is way different from Pa's.
That they aren't going to do books 7, 8, 9 means Drummer would not have appeared in the series since book 3 except for very tiny parts I think. So it's probably good they did it but if they force the ending of book 8 in terms of the whole Transport Union thing then it will be difficult for me to accept Pa as the head of that.
I can't remember how Pa's story arc ends up. IIRC, Pa and her marriage partners are part of the free navi at first, then defect/break away from them, eventually ally with Holden and at the end of book 6, she becomes president of the new Transport Union. My guess is that this will be exactly Drummer's arc in season 5/6 of the series and when season 6 ends, Drummer will be made president, which would make sense IMO. And it seems they just replaced book-Drummer with some random dude in the TV show, which IMO is fine. Now, in book 7 Pa has long ended her term as president of the TU (I don't think much more about her fate is revealed) and book-Drummer is president. If they ever do continue the show and adapt book 7/8/9, it'll be interesting to see how they\d handle this. Would Drummer still be president in order to keep the actress (which would be weird, that the TU has the same leader for 40 years) or will they have someone new there? Would they even stick with the timeline? No idea there but for just seasons 5/6 I don't see any problems. Yes you are correct I had forgotten that. Thanks
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Post by dazk on Dec 26, 2020 0:11:37 GMT
Enjoying series 5 so far, was shocked that they killed Fred Johnson off early?
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Enjoying series 5 so far, was shocked that they killed Fred Johnson off early?
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 26, 2020 2:07:57 GMT
And it seems they just replaced book-Drummer with some random dude in the TV show, which IMO is fine. Not quite! The new character, Bull, was actually the security chief of the Behemoth during the whole slow zone plot arc. He was written out of Season 3 and most of his plot was given to Drummer, right down to getting paralyzed and having to get some mechanized legs. I think he ultimately died or retired after that book. So him taking Drummer’s place now is kinda ironic.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 26, 2020 3:39:45 GMT
And it seems they just replaced book-Drummer with some random dude in the TV show, which IMO is fine. Not quite! The new character, Bull, was actually the security chief of the Behemoth during the whole slow zone plot arc. He was written out of Season 3 and most of his plot was given to Drummer, right down to getting paralyzed and having to get some mechanized legs. I think he ultimately died or retired after that book. So him taking Drummer’s place now is kinda ironic. Bull died on the Behemoth holding off the Belters in Martian power armor. In the tv series, Drummer is saved by Naomi instead.
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Post by dazk on Dec 26, 2020 6:13:37 GMT
Enjoying series 5 so far, was shocked that they killed Fred Johnson off early? I think he died in book 6, when it happened in the latest episode I didn't realise that he had actually died I thought he just passed out as I knew he died in a chase/space combat as you said and it wasn't till I saw an article this morning I found out.
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 26, 2020 21:24:10 GMT
And it seems they just replaced book-Drummer with some random dude in the TV show, which IMO is fine. Not quite! The new character, Bull, was actually the security chief of the Behemoth during the whole slow zone plot arc. He was written out of Season 3 and most of his plot was given to Drummer, right down to getting paralyzed and having to get some mechanized legs. I think he ultimately died or retired after that book. So him taking Drummer’s place now is kinda ironic. Oh wow, that\s crazy. I never realized that that was supposed to be Bull. But makes sense I guess.
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Post by hoku on Dec 30, 2020 4:58:24 GMT
What an epic sci-fi show this is (among other things)! Held off reading the books so far, because the book writers are also part of the tv series crew, along with the excellent Naren Shankar (Star Trek, the Expanse, For All Mankind etc.) Wanted to know how the story continues for my favorite character (hint @ profile pic ), so in broad strokes I now know where the book stories is going so far. Such a thrilling, intertwining story and incredible worlds, culture and factions they‘ve built. Along with Mass Effect, it’s my favorite sandbox, so to speak.
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