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Post by Toyish Batphone on Nov 9, 2016 15:23:22 GMT
Greetings.
After thinking long and hard about this, I have come to the conclusion that DAI has the best straight male romance options so far in the DA franchise.
Why ?
For starters, let's look at the straight male romance options in DAO and DAII:
1) Morrigan: Strings you along before trying to sperm-jack you. If you acquiesce to that, she conducts a shady sex ritual to designed to force the soul of an Old God onto an innocent child and then leaves you afterwards. If you don't acquiesce, she runs off on the eve of one of the most important fights you will face.
2) Leliana: A fantasy French Black Widow-esque figure who has killed people while or after bedding them who later become a born-again devout religious person.
3) Merrill: A naive woman who dabbles in forbidden magics and demon dealing despite the fact others tell her not to.
4) Isabela: A very promiscuous alcoholic with venereal disease and bad hygiene whose actions had a major hand in starting a war.
I am going to say it outright - These four women have enough red flags to make a sensible man take a step back if he is considering anyone of them for a long term relationship or more.
By contrast, here are the straight male romance options in DAI:
1) Cassandra: A religious police that left the order that she was part of to Make The Chantry Great Again and is capable of admitting to her faults. Also, she can't lie, she likes smut, and has very simple but sophisticated taste - Poetry, candlelight and flowers - all affordable.
2) Josephine: An intelligent, pacifistic, likeable,classically feminine,family-oriented woman who is not demanding - Simply requires a public declaration of love in order to get her to be your lover.
Neither Cassandra nor Josephine will try to sperm jack you or dabble in forbidden magic or make deals with demons or be a promiscuous alcoholic with bad hygiene and STDs. In fact, both of them have a very low partner count and based on my knowledge, have not used men purely for sex the way Morrigan, Leliana and Isabela have done.
As such, both Cassandra and Josephine are good long term relationship and marriage material women. That, I think is something that should be celebrated - Especially given the fact that Bioware loves angsty fan tears inducing romances (looks at Solas, Blackwall, Anders, etc).
Looking forward to your comments. Have a nice day and cheers.
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Post by Catilina on Nov 9, 2016 16:28:08 GMT
What's the problem with Leliana, I never understod... (I never tried the romance.) Morrigan's romance is good. Isabela romance is very good according so many people. (true, I never tried.) Merrill is not naive, just can't treat people well. He interest much more the dalish hystory, than the people, she is an "egghead scientist". The blood magic is a tool, no more, not good or evil.
Cassandra romance also good, I liked it, but Cassandra also not innocent. She is a Seeker... how much blood on her hand... I never tryed Josephine romance, but many people liked.
I don't see any different.
I can't decide, you are a pious decent man, or a judgmental, hypocrite.
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Post by davesin on Nov 9, 2016 17:04:02 GMT
I'm not really into romance content (I take it as a fine refreshment and a way to roleplay my character, but I can still live without it. Some of my PCs were single and I was OK with that) but I think it needs some kind of conflict. The Qun and storytelling demand it! That's why I prefer Blackwall or Solas (if I play as a female Inquisitor. It happens, though it isn't my canon) - you can break up with them, or you can accept what they are. Cassandra and Josephine are... hm... too safe for me, like: "Single woman finally found her man. They are happy and they are going to have bunch of kids. End of the story." 1) Morrigan: Strings you along before trying to sperm-jack you. Well, I ain't complainin'!
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Post by Toyish Batphone on Nov 9, 2016 17:11:37 GMT
What's the problem with Leliana, I never understod... (I never tried the romance.) Morrigan's romance is good. Isabela romance is very good according so many people. (true, I never tried.) Merrill is not naive, just can't treat people well. He interest much more the dalish hystory, than the people, she is an "egghead scientist". The blood magic is a tool, no more, not good or evil. Cassandra romance also good, I liked it, but Cassandra also not innocent. She is a Seeker... how much bloos on her hand... I never tryed Josephine romance, but many people liked. I don't see any different. I can't decide, you are a pious decent man, or a judgmental, hypocrite. 1) Do you even check your spelling bro ? 2) I am adressing the qualities / behaviors the love interests had. If you are a sensible straight man, you would think twice before sticking your dick into a woman who plans to sperm-jack you or a woman who is a born-again religious Black Widow type of person or a woman who is engaged in demon dealing or a woman with STDs and bad hygiene. Red Flags - Ever heard of that term ? Morrigan, Isabela, Merrill & Leliana have a lot of Red Flags, especially compared to Cassandra and Josephine.
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Post by Toyish Batphone on Nov 9, 2016 17:18:02 GMT
I'm not really into romance content (I take it as a fine refreshment and a way to roleplay my character, but I can still live without it. Some of my PCs were single and I was OK with that) but I think it needs some kind of conflict. The Qun and storytelling demand it! That's why I prefer Blackwall or Solas (if I play as a female Inquisitor. It happens, though it isn't my canon) - you can break up with them, or you can accept what they are. Cassandra and Josephine are... hm... too safe for me, like: "Single woman finally found her man. They are happy and they are going to have bunch of kids. End of the story." 1) Morrigan: Strings you along before trying to sperm-jack you. Well, I ain't complainin'! My point is that Cassandra and Josephine are, as you put it...safe. That's a good thing and it should be celebrated. Down with the practice of sticking your dick in crazy. Entertainment media such as video games should promote women that are safe and have few to no red flags instead of promoting the ones with a ton of baggage as romantic ideals. If you aren't complaining then that's up to you. I on the other hand, have self respect and standards so being strung along and attempted sperm-jacking is a no-no for me.
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Post by phoray on Nov 9, 2016 17:24:10 GMT
I liked the original post, but you are now insulting other posters based off what you, yourself, have declared an Opinion in the very title of your post. If this the way you handle dissenting opinion, then I won't bother continuing to interact with you in this thread. *flounces off*
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Post by Catilina on Nov 9, 2016 17:32:06 GMT
What's the problem with Leliana, I never understod... (I never tried the romance.) Morrigan's romance is good. Isabela romance is very good according so many people. (true, I never tried.) Merrill is not naive, just can't treat people well. He interest much more the dalish hystory, than the people, she is an "egghead scientist". The blood magic is a tool, no more, not good or evil. Cassandra romance also good, I liked it, but Cassandra also not innocent. She is a Seeker... how much bloos on her hand... I never tryed Josephine romance, but many people liked. I don't see any different. I can't decide, you are a pious decent man, or a judgmental, hypocrite. 1) Do you even check your spelling bro ? 2) I am adressing the qualities / behaviors the love interests had. If you are a sensible straight man, you would think twice before sticking your dick into a woman who plans to sperm-jack you or a woman who is a born-again religious Black Widow type of person or a woman who is engaged in demon dealing or a woman with STDs and bad hygiene. Red Flags - Ever heard of that term ? Morrigan, Isabela, Merrill & Leliana have a lot of Red Flags, especially compared to Cassandra and Josephine. Then your topic's title: DAI Has The Safest Straight Male Romance Options (Many people think that the best romance is not the safest romance) Morrigan romance is good. Still this is my opinion. I found that nice, happy end if Warden follow her through the Eluvian, but if anyone don't have this dlc, then a bit sadder, but still nice romance (Morrigan give a ring to her Warden, se she don't want lose him, whatever she said.) Still don't understand, what's your problem with Leliana. She's a bard, this is his work. Despite this, Leliana really have faith, not hypocrite, and good-hearted. For example Blood Mage Hawke very happy with Merrill... but any Hawke can be Happy with her. Merrill also kind-hearted, so many times show that in game, and in Inquisition her Hawke said, that she help to elves in Alienage. And still: magic is magic. Not bad or good. Only a tool, what depend on the user. Maybe Hawke not that squeamish. Isabela a free woman, but she's not bad, adn if Hawke care about her, she will better person (just as Morrigan, if Warden befriended her). Cassandra a seeker; her hand also not clean, but nevertheless she also good person, just not better than for example Leliana, as I see. I dont know so much Josephine, but she seems good-hearted, and was kind, when she want to entertain my single Inquisitor in the Winter Palace. so, I like her. No, I don't heard "Red Flag" in this in this context, the red flag was a communist symbol. This condemnatory, hypocritical position is extremely annoying. I don't think, you are a "sensible" man.
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Post by Domakir on Nov 9, 2016 18:16:51 GMT
I don't think there's a best or worst romance option tbh. I like some romances more than other obviously but I can't say they are good or bad, just different options for different people.
Morrigan is selfish, power hungry, cruel woman who doesn't care about anyone but herself unless Kieran exists or if the pc has a romance with her but she also shows love and sympathy sometimes especially to the warden. It's true that she leaves no matter what you do with the ritual but with WH she and the warden can have a happy little family (something that she actually enjoys).
Leliana seduced and assassinated people but that doesn't make her a bad person. She was a bard but she is sweet and caring. Her past and beliefes doesn't matter.
Merril is naive in general but very cute. And if you don't mind the blood magic then there's no problem. At least I don't care about it as long as it doesn't become an obsesion.
Isabela. Yes, she is promiscuous and also alcoholic but you just made up the rest since there's nothing in game that suggest that Isabela has STDs or bad hygiene. What's the problem with a woman who likes to have sex? As long as she enjoys it then good for her.
I don't like ''safe'' women in games nor real life. I find that rather boring. And all that ''marriage material'' is pretty stupid to me so I suppose I have it easier than others in this aspect.
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Post by davesin on Nov 9, 2016 21:04:43 GMT
Sure, in real life, I prefer women and men who are more or less mentally stable, do not intentionally make the most stupid decisions and have some respect for others (like... not killing people for lols. Looking at you, Morrigan). This is a videogame. I expect bunch of characters with different personalities, flaws and goals and no "this character is morally superior than that one" label. I think I can decide myself who do I trust and why and whether or not do I accept their bad side. Besides, I do not expect from videogame to tell me how should I act in real life... or who to sleep with. (I still agree that there should be more characters like Josephine, though. Not because she's "safe and romantic", but because she has plenty of badass moments and none of them includes violance. That's really something I rarely see)
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Post by dragontartare on Nov 10, 2016 1:11:05 GMT
I'm not really into romance content (I take it as a fine refreshment and a way to roleplay my character, but I can still live without it. Some of my PCs were single and I was OK with that) but I think it needs some kind of conflict. The Qun and storytelling demand it! That's why I prefer Blackwall or Solas (if I play as a female Inquisitor. It happens, though it isn't my canon) - you can break up with them, or you can accept what they are. Cassandra and Josephine are... hm... too safe for me, like: "Single woman finally found her man. They are happy and they are going to have bunch of kids. End of the story." 1) Morrigan: Strings you along before trying to sperm-jack you. Well, I ain't complainin'! I agree with the bolded part. In real life, stable is good. But in a video game, conflict is necessary, otherwise...you aren't really playing anything, because there are no real choices to make. 1) Do you even check your spelling bro ? 2) I am adressing the qualities / behaviors the love interests had. If you are a sensible straight man, you would think twice before sticking your dick into a woman who plans to sperm-jack you or a woman who is a born-again religious Black Widow type of person or a woman who is engaged in demon dealing or a woman with STDs and bad hygiene. Red Flags - Ever heard of that term ? Morrigan, Isabela, Merrill & Leliana have a lot of Red Flags, especially compared to Cassandra and Josephine. Then your topic's title: DAI Has The Safest Straight Male Romance Options (Many people think that the best romance is not the safest romance) Morrigan romance is good. Still this is my opinion. I found that nice, happy end if Warden follow her through the Eluvian, but if anyone don't have this dlc, then a bit sadder, but still nice romance (Morrigan give a ring to her Warden, se she don't want lose him, whatever she said.) Still don't understand, what's your problem with Leliana. She's a bard, this is his work. Despite this, Leliana really have faith, not hypocrite, and good-hearted. For example Blood Mage Hawke very happy with Merrill... but any Hawke can be Happy with her. Merrill also kind-hearted, so many times show that in game, and in Inquisition her Hawke said, that she help to elves in Alienage. And still: magic is magic. Not bad or good. Only a tool, what depend on the user. Maybe Hawke not that squeamish. Isabela a free woman, but she's not bad, adn if Hawke care about her, she will better person (just as Morrigan, if Warden befriended her). Cassandra a seeker; her hand also not clean, but nevertheless she also good person, just not better than for example Leliana, as I see. I dont know so much Josephine, but she seems good-hearted, and was kind, when she want to entertain my single Inquisitor in the Winter Palace. so, I like her. No, I don't heard "Red Flag" in this in this context, the red flag was a communist symbol. This condemnatory, hypocritical position is extremely annoying. I don't think, you are a "sensible" man. "Red flag" in this case means a warning sign.
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Post by smellycatbutts on Nov 10, 2016 2:09:29 GMT
I mean, I guess, but honestly, worded well enough, all romance options in every game are shit.
DAO MEN Alistair: awkward (potentially racist) virgin with blighted blood who will dump your ass (if you're not a noble human) at a chance to sit on the throne Zevran: Murders people, and is like "Yay, I murdered someone today. I shall celebrate by jamming my dick into any kind of hole."
DA2 MEN Anders: Social justice terrorist Fenris: "Crawling in my skin" on an infinite loop Sebastian: (I never bothered with him, but comes across as "na-na-nuh-boo-boo, I chose the right religion, not you.")
DAI: Cullen: Drug addict, prayer boy, "Are mages, people? I don't know, but I'll romance one any way, despite questioning her 'human' rights." Solas: Racist asshole IB: "No lives matter. Only the Qun." Blackwall: "I murdered an entire family for cash, let the men under my command take the blame," then went into hiding for years, self-deprecation, followed by more self-deprecation, "OH, I'm such a coward, now I gotta hit and quit." I also question whether he ever really intended to save those farmers during "The Lone Warden" quest, bc of that "Charred Paper" you find. I've always interpreted it as actually training the farm folk to help him take the bandits down--just my interpretation.
The thing is, these guys are all "characters," not people, so they've got built in "ugh" problems for the PC to fix. Meanwhile my RL bf's biggest problem is gas.
Keep in mind, I actually enjoyed all romances from DAO and DAI (I'm doing all variations of Blackwall's romance). DA2 just sucks in general though.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 10, 2016 3:24:06 GMT
(I still agree that there should be more characters like Josephine, though. Not because she's "safe and romantic", but because she has plenty of badass moments and none of them includes violance. That's really something I rarely see) Please yes. I would love to have more characters like her in this regard, and would love to be able to be that kind of person.
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Post by Catilina on Nov 10, 2016 12:42:29 GMT
I mean, I guess, but honestly, worded well enough, all romance options in every game are shit. DAO MEN Alistair: awkward (potentially racist) virgin with blighted blood who will dump your ass (if you're not a noble human) at a chance to sit on the throne Zevran: Murders people, and is like "Yay, I murdered someone today. I shall celebrate by jamming my dick into any kind of hole." DA2 MEN Anders: Social justice terrorist Fenris: "Crawling in my skin" on an infinite loop Sebastian: (I never bothered with him, but comes across as "na-na-nuh-boo-boo, I chose the right religion, not you.") DAI: Cullen: Drug addict, prayer boy, "Are mages, people? I don't know, but I'll romance one any way, despite questioning her 'human' rights." Solas: Racist asshole IB: "No lives matter. Only the Qun." Blackwall: "I murdered an entire family for cash, let the men under my command take the blame," then went into hiding for years, self-deprecation, followed by more self-deprecation, "OH, I'm such a coward, now I gotta hit and quit." I also question whether he ever really intended to save those farmers during "The Lone Warden" quest, bc of that "Charred Paper" you find. I've always interpreted it as actually training the farm folk to help him take the bandits down--just my interpretation. The thing is, these guys are all "characters," not people, so they've got built in "ugh" problems for the PC to fix. Meanwhile my RL bf's biggest problem is gas. Keep in mind, I actually enjoyed all romances from DAO and DAI (I'm doing all variations of Blackwall's romance). DA2 just sucks in general though. Alistair racist? WTF? I liked Zevran, he changed step by step, if he saw, the warden really love him, My favorite romances Anders and Fenris until now. Sebastian not that simple choir-boy... Cullen not bad guy, despite is mage fear. Solas a good character for romance as well. Blackwall also good character. He regret, what he did, and finally assume the responsibility. And yes, he really wanted to help people, as I see. Bull need to be Tal Vashoth, and the qun no problem anymore... No one is perfect from these, but I think, as in game romance options, these are okay. DA2 the best (for me ofc).
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Post by Sifr on Nov 10, 2016 18:59:22 GMT
4) Isabela: A very promiscuous alcoholic with venereal disease and bad hygiene whose actions had a major hand in starting a war. Wait, how is Isabela an alcoholic... is it because she's a Pirate or because she's always at the Hanged Man? If it's the latter, you do realise that the place doubles as an Inn? Should have been obvious from all the numerous bunks upstairs, as well as dialogue that makes it clear that Isabela and Varric both have their own rooms or suites. They're always in the pub, because they live there. Furthermore, most of the main cast of DA2 are shown to spend time there, it's the local dive bar.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Nov 10, 2016 19:22:36 GMT
I liked the original post, but you are now insulting other posters based off what you, yourself, have declared an Opinion in the very title of your post. If this the way you handle dissenting opinion, then I won't bother continuing to interact with you in this thread. *flounces off* Personally, when dealing with this poster, I just skip to step 2
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Post by thesupremedarkone on Nov 10, 2016 21:05:55 GMT
I liked the original post, but you are now insulting other posters based off what you, yourself, have declared an Opinion in the very title of your post. If this the way you handle dissenting opinion, then I won't bother continuing to interact with you in this thread. *flounces off* After what he said in his other thread and his opinions in the politics thread, are you really surprised? For someone who boasts about opposing easily offended sjws, he sure does get easily offended
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Post by smellycatbutts on Nov 11, 2016 3:40:25 GMT
I mean, I guess, but honestly, worded well enough, all romance options in every game are shit. DAO MEN Alistair: awkward (potentially racist) virgin with blighted blood who will dump your ass (if you're not a noble human) at a chance to sit on the throne Zevran: Murders people, and is like "Yay, I murdered someone today. I shall celebrate by jamming my dick into any kind of hole." DA2 MEN Anders: Social justice terrorist Fenris: "Crawling in my skin" on an infinite loop Sebastian: (I never bothered with him, but comes across as "na-na-nuh-boo-boo, I chose the right religion, not you.") DAI: Cullen: Drug addict, prayer boy, "Are mages, people? I don't know, but I'll romance one any way, despite questioning her 'human' rights." Solas: Racist asshole IB: "No lives matter. Only the Qun." Blackwall: "I murdered an entire family for cash, let the men under my command take the blame," then went into hiding for years, self-deprecation, followed by more self-deprecation, "OH, I'm such a coward, now I gotta hit and quit." I also question whether he ever really intended to save those farmers during "The Lone Warden" quest, bc of that "Charred Paper" you find. I've always interpreted it as actually training the farm folk to help him take the bandits down--just my interpretation. The thing is, these guys are all "characters," not people, so they've got built in "ugh" problems for the PC to fix. Meanwhile my RL bf's biggest problem is gas. Keep in mind, I actually enjoyed all romances from DAO and DAI (I'm doing all variations of Blackwall's romance). DA2 just sucks in general though. Alistair racist? WTF? I liked Zevran, he changed step by step, if he saw, the warden really love him, My favorite romances Anders and Fenris until now. Sebastian not that simple choir-boy... Cullen not bad guy, despite is mage fear. Solas a good character for romance as well. Blackwall also good character. He regret, what he did, and finally assume the responsibility. And yes, he really wanted to help people, as I see. Bull need to be Tal Vashoth, and the qun no problem anymore... No one is perfect from these, but I think, as in game romance options, these are okay. DA2 the best (for me ofc). Methinks you didn't really read my post, mainly, that you can word any character's faults in such a way to make them seem dickish. *sigh*
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Post by Catilina on Nov 11, 2016 3:55:19 GMT
Methinks you didn't really read my post, mainly, that you can word any character's faults in such a way to make them seem dickish. *sigh* You're right.
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Post by Walter Black on Nov 11, 2016 23:27:08 GMT
Greetings. After thinking long and hard about this, I have come to the conclusion that DAI has the best straight male romance options so far in the DA franchise. Why ? For starters, let's look at the straight male romance options in DAO and DAII: 1) Morrigan: Strings you along before trying to sperm-jack you. If you acquiesce to that, she conducts a shady sex ritual to designed to force the soul of an Old God onto an innocent child and then leaves you afterwards. If you don't acquiesce, she runs off on the eve of one of the most important fights you will face. 2) Leliana: A fantasy French Black Widow-esque figure who has killed people while or after bedding them who later become a born-again devout religious person. 3) Merrill: A naive woman who dabbles in forbidden magics and demon dealing despite the fact others tell her not to. 4) Isabela: A very promiscuous alcoholic with venereal disease and bad hygiene whose actions had a major hand in starting a war. I am going to say it outright - These four women have enough red flags to make a sensible man take a step back if he is considering anyone of them for a long term relationship or more. By contrast, here are the straight male romance options in DAI: 1) Cassandra: A religious police that left the order that she was part of to Make The Chantry Great Again and is capable of admitting to her faults. Also, she can't lie, she likes smut, and has very simple but sophisticated taste - Poetry, candlelight and flowers - all affordable. 2) Josephine: An intelligent, pacifistic, likeable,classically feminine,family-oriented woman who is not demanding - Simply requires a public declaration of love in order to get her to be your lover. Neither Cassandra nor Josephine will try to sperm jack you or dabble in forbidden magic or make deals with demons or be a promiscuous alcoholic with bad hygiene and STDs. In fact, both of them have a very low partner count and based on my knowledge, have not used men purely for sex the way Morrigan, Leliana and Isabela have done. As such, both Cassandra and Josephine are good long term relationship and marriage material women. That, I think is something that should be celebrated - Especially given the fact that Bioware loves angsty fan tears inducing romances (looks at Solas, Blackwall, Anders, etc). Looking forward to your comments. Have a nice day and cheers. Oh Lord where to begin... Dragon Age is an adult, dark fantasy with black and grey morality, deeply complex characters, and no easy answers. We all knew this going in. So you can't really pick up A Song of Ice and Fire, complain, and keep reading expecting it to turn into Shannara .
Some pretty blanket judgements you have there. Hey, I can do it too! 1) Cassandra: A workaholic, short-sighted, intolerant bully and technical Abomination who dumps you if she becomes Divine. Even if she doesn't, she still strings you along as to when you'll finally settle down and get married. 2) Josephine: A elitist snob who is nowhere near as sweet as she would like everyone to believe. Seriously, see how many of her War Table Operations where she lies, blackmails, and permanently ruins reputations. Oh, and you want to talk stringing along? You will never get any canon confirmation on whether or not she was intimate with you. I could respect Josie telling the Inquisitor that she wanted to wait until marriage, as that would be the honest, adult thing to do. But leaving it up to player headcannon does a disservice to Josephine's agency and insults our intelligence. Are these complaints petty, not taking into account the entirety of Cass and Josie's characters? Damn right. Just like your complaints about Morrigan, Leliana, Merrill, and Isabella . Also, I noticed how you conveniently ignore how relations with the player can better these women, making them more empathetic and responsible. Consequently, despite the blows of their personal quests, Cassandra and Josephine remain static. If a character is the same at the end of a story that they were at the beginning, what's the point in following them? This has to be my biggest problem with your position, the sex shaming. How dare a woman have a past independent of their current lover! How dare she actually enjoy life instead of giving in to millennia of fear and shame! Time to call a spade a spade: In my experience, most men who criticize sexually experienced women are less concerned with morality or "self respect" , than suffer feelings of their own inadequacy. These men prefer sexually naive women since they won't have better experiences to compare them to.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 13, 2016 9:44:25 GMT
I think it's a bit subjective. It depends on what a person wants in a romance, as well as their opinion on the LI, expecially their values. My ranking of the straight male options in the DA games would still go as DAO>DAI>DA2, with individual rankings as Morrigan>Cassandra>Leliana/Josephine/Isabela (they're roughly on the same spot)>Merrill (I like her, but I'm unable to romance her). Morrigan's romance's path (Dark Ritual option) is my favourite of all Bioware games and type of romances, exactly for the drama and problems in the relationship between the two characters (to be fair that DAO run is my favourite roleplay playthrough of all Bioware games as well). Inquisition simply sealed the deal for me. I doubt it's going to be replaced easily for me. It is howewer my personal opinion based on my values and my feelings when I played the game. I can see how people might not like Morrigan's non romance path or her as a character.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 10:54:27 GMT
Hey, hey, hey, as a straight female who plays as guys, Im just gonna say that Morrigan's romance is the best for straight men (than its Cassandra, and finally Isabela. Merrill gets very last place). My Wardens always kind of ingored Zevran whenever I play any gender... Meh, it's too hard to keep away from Morrigan and Alistair... so yay, no abandoning apostates for guys this time! (Woops, sorry girls, yah get the runaway morally ambiguous mage this time!)
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Post by kumazan on Nov 15, 2016 15:52:44 GMT
I think this actually comes down to: 1) What kind of Warden/Hawke/Inky you're roleplaying 2) How much do you project your tastes in your RP characters. Some of my Wardens wouldn't touch Morrigan with a ten foot pole. For others it was a (nearly) perfect match. Same with Leliana, because if I have one complaint about DA:O's straight male relationships is that, when going for diversity, BioWare perhaps went too much to the extreme giving you the choice between a an apostate witch who unapologetically follows her own agenda, and a pious former chantry sister who worships the Warden. In DA2 you have similar case of this with socially awkward Merrill vs well, Isabela. So I guess I appreciate that DA:I gave you two choices without making sure they were as different from each other as possible, Cassandra and Josephine are different women in many regards, but they are not extreme cases of anything, at least in the way they treat the PC. Now the fact some of them may have used men for sex in the past I don't care much, to be honest. None of them goes all Jacob on us so I don't feel it's important for their relationship with the PC. Perhaps the worst in this regard is Morrigan, but it's not like she hasn't been pretty clear on her intentions for the very beginning - for someone with a hidden agenda she's very transparent. (And even then, there's Witch Hunt). I'll pass on ranking the romances because I like them pretty much the same and therefore the ranks would change almost daily, but Morrigan's possibly the best, if only because hers is the one with the most content (including a DLC) and the most tied to the main plot.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 23:39:08 GMT
Roflmao.
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Post by mike3207 on Nov 27, 2016 1:30:55 GMT
Will reserve judgement on Cassandra, but the Josephine romance was just ok.
Leliana and Morrigan were pretty good, but my write in vote will be for Anora. I really liked her Awakening cameo more than either of the other two romances.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 28, 2016 20:48:11 GMT
2) Leliana: A fantasy French Black Widow-esque figure who has killed people while or after bedding them who later become a born-again devout religious person. Not that I have a problem with the DAI options (I don't) but I have no problem with this either
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