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Post by melbella on Sept 12, 2016 0:26:38 GMT
I played Aielund Saga three times (I think) but I couldn't get through the last part of Sands of Fate. I just got bored with the huge amount of dungeon crawling and not enough story to go along with it.
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Post by Lilura on Sept 12, 2016 2:26:06 GMT
Yeah, I normally get bored of epic campaigns. I think the good pacing and sweeping scope in HotU and Aielund Saga is what kept me going to the end.
I'll have to remember to romance R.B the next time I play Aielund Saga. I'll probably be a Bard.
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Post by neocodex and 23 others on Sept 13, 2016 14:24:02 GMT
Only skimmed trough OP and just came to say this when I saw the title: a thousand times yes! Go play it. To me, it still has more charm than the newly released Pillars of Eternity. Which is also the latest modern game that is the most similiar in gameplay to NWN, based on what I know. Base campaign is ok. I wouldn't really say you need to skip it, at least you start at level 1 there and have some time to get used to the game instead of dropping in at high levels, also first campaign I had a feel was easier to beat, the others are a bit more advanced imho. As to which expansion/campaign was the most fun for me I couldn't really point at it, they were all really good and I actually really enjoy the original one too.
Short story: worth it and YES, go play it. It's a classic!
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Post by puckishrogue94 on Sept 22, 2016 2:19:35 GMT
I love Neverwinter Nights. I've easily poured countless hours into it. That said, like some other people here, I've never actually finished the original campaign. I can't stomach it, it's absolutely tedious and generic as hell. Shadows of the Undrentide and Hordes of the Underdark are absolutely awesome though, and some of the free fan-made modules are some of the best gaming experiences I've had and are what keeps me coming back to this game. Having said that, I did play Neverwinter Nights 2 first before trying Neverwinter Nights 1. NWN2 has a very good base campaign unlike its predecessor and it's expansion Mask of the Betrayer was phenomenal. NWN2 is definitely more like Origins so given you liked DAO you'll most likely enjoy NWN2 as well. I'd recommend downloading and playing a few fan-made modules for NWN1 that sound interesting to you first to get you used to the gameplay mechanics and maybe give you a bit of confidence/motivation to go through the official expansions. But there's no shame in just skipping to NWN2 if you're not a fan of the graphics or mechanics of NWN1, and you're not really missing out on anything story-wise either. Also, if you're looking into trying out some isometric RPGs despite not liking Baldur's Gate, try Pillars of Eternity. Same engine, but much newer and feels a bit more "fresh" as a result. It's art design is absolutely gorgeous too.
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Post by neocodex and 23 others on Sept 22, 2016 7:01:32 GMT
*wow*, I just remembered how old this game actually is.
I completely forgot about the original NWN campaign and mixed it up for original NWN2 campaign, which was good.. Ha ha, ok yes, you should probably skip the NWN1 main campaign, that one was really not that good. I mean, you can check it out. The expansions were okay but if you're new to the series you could maybe just start with NWN2.
NWN2 vanilla campaign is pretty solid and overall the game feels like an upgrade, and the expansions are very good. It's play, feel, exploraiton and conversations are more similiar to original Dragon Age, which of course put all of this on an entirely new epic level, but that's what we kids played back in the days before it; NWN1 and NWN2.
NWN1 feels more like the original Infinity engine games whilst NWN2 has more of the modern DA look and feel, so it might be easier to transition into if you're new to Infinity games. In that comparison Pillars of Eternity is more similiar to NWN1 than 2.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2016 21:48:28 GMT
I played every Bio game with the exception of Dragon Age. I've loved all of them, with the exception of NWN1.
The only game by Bio that I dropped like a stone shortly after starting it was NWN1. It was an awkward time for the industry, when graphics was trying to advance, and just was not making it. And the story/writing did not feel like Bio at all.
NWN2 franchise was much better imo.
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Post by fenris on Oct 26, 2016 16:04:47 GMT
The thing to know about NWN1 is this: the OC is not about the main plot. There is a lot more to do exploring around than actually playing the plot, which is unremarkable. The side quests, however... I have great memories from some of them. But the OC is only worth it if you take the time to find, read and complete the side quests. Some are better than others, some are usual D&D crap, and others are damn brilliant. I wouldn't skip the OC, but be aware that it has some ancient mechanics to it. Also, take into account that there is a lot of exploration to do, much like in the BG games in many ways.
NWN2 is vastly superior in every way, though it's not a fair comparison due to the games' age. The OC of NWN2 is very nice (though a little generic) but MotB... I have never seen a better thought out plot. Seriously, it you are familiar with Forgotten Realms lore and mechanics, it's absolutely amazing. Clearly the plot was written by people who really understood how the Forgotten Realms work! It's worth going through the OC just to reach MotB with the same character.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 16:39:08 GMT
The thing to know about NWN1 is this: the OC is not about the main plot. There is a lot more to do exploring around than actually playing the plot, which is unremarkable. The side quests, however... I have great memories from some of them. But the OC is only worth it if you take the time to find, read and complete the side quests. Some are better than others, some are usual D&D crap, and others are damn brilliant. I wouldn't skip the OC, but be aware that it has some ancient mechanics to it. Also, take into account that there is a lot of exploration to do, much like in the BG games in many ways. NWN2 is vastly superior in every way, though it's not a fair comparison due to the games' age. The OC of NWN2 is very nice (though a little generic) but MotB... I have never seen a better thought out plot. Seriously, it you are familiar with Forgotten Realms lore and mechanics, it's absolutely amazing. Clearly the plot was written by people who really understood how the Forgotten Realms work! It's worth going through the OC just to reach MotB with the same character. I actually liked the OC more, because a lot of it centering on the castle was novel to me. MotB was too epic for my liking & I did not like the companions & the soul-devouring mechanics. I find that I overall like the campaigns on the lower levels, and feel uncomfortable with the too high progression when you start looking down on Elminster and chit-chat with the gods. I really liked the Wall though, very atmospheric.
Overall though, the game is pretty nice. I have never managed the Zehir campaign though, due to the RL commitments at the time.
Then, after a break, I went into KOTOR/SWTOR campaigns, and those were excellent imo, and, obviously, Mass Effect just now blew me away. I've skipped the DA franchise because I feel I overplayed the Bio's DnD games in medieval fantasy setting.
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Post by fenris on Oct 26, 2016 16:47:08 GMT
If that's the case, allow me to recommend DA2. You don't have to play DA:O to understand it, and it's very different than regular fantasy RPGs. It's much more character-centric.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 16:55:17 GMT
If that's the case, allow me to recommend DA2. You don't have to play DA:O to understand it, and it's very different than regular fantasy RPGs. It's much more character-centric. I have the DA franchise installed, and I will give it a shot if I feel bored with Mass Effect.
However, I love it that Mass Effect Trilogy is so compact, and easy to get into. It's short, easy to learn, and MP is a blast. From what I am reading about DA, it is a lot of micro-management, with gift giving, and stuff. Collecting gear, managing inventory... awww...
I am tired of the medieval settings as well and for now I just can't handle learning another verse, with the Mass Effect verse finally opening up and becoming really familiar. So, yes, if my Mass Effect honeymoon ends, I might re-load DA, but overall, it's just feels like too much efforts to learn the game for what it offers.
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Post by nonstop on Oct 26, 2016 20:04:15 GMT
I'm in a similar boat to the OP so I'm really glad this thread popped up! It has convinced me to give NWN2 a try and then if I like it I'll go back to NWN. I started BioWare games with KOTOR and fell in love, and since then I've played all the Dragon Age and Mass Effect games, plus KOTOR 2 (I know it's not BioWare, but still...) Knowing how much I enjoyed them, I tried to go back and play Baldur's Gate a while ago, but I just couldn't get into it. I don't need super-amazing graphics, KOTOR is still fine for me, but something about the aloofness of the isometric view and the lack of cinematic conversations meant I couldn't get into it at all. Even with the silent player character in KOTOR, you still get close-ups and cutscenes and I find I need those to get pulled into a game. I tried to keep going but it was just feeling like a chore instead of something fun so I gave up. I always just assumed NWN/NWN2 was isometric too until I came across this thread. I've since watched a couple of gameplay videos and liked enough of it to give it a try, so I'm currently waiting on it downloading now.
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Post by Gold Dragon on Oct 27, 2016 2:19:01 GMT
For NWN2, you will want TonyK's AI mod. It works wonderful magic.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 3:41:32 GMT
For NWN2, you will want TonyK's AI mod. It works wonderful magic. I just change the number of companions you can bring along to 5, so I played with a party of 6 like in those old games. I am conservative like that, heh.
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Post by olnorton on Oct 29, 2016 7:36:04 GMT
I've since watched a couple of gameplay videos and liked enough of it to give it a try, so I'm currently waiting on it downloading now. So have you started playing it yet?
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Post by nonstop on Oct 30, 2016 18:32:33 GMT
I've since watched a couple of gameplay videos and liked enough of it to give it a try, so I'm currently waiting on it downloading now. So have you started playing it yet? I have! I'm very much enjoying it so far, despite utterly despising the combat I was getting on fine until the smuggler's warehouse in Act I when I just kept getting swarmed by thugs and my whole party was continually wiping before I could take half of them down. I was at a decent enough level and had upgraded my weapons as best as I thought and had a balanced party but it was just awful, even on easy. I'm playing a rogue and the only half-decent attack is to sneak attack someone from behind, but I'm constantly pulling aggro for some reason so can't get behind anyone. Anyway, after spending about an hour trying and failing to get past it, I cheated and used debug mode to get through it! It's not really the combat I'm interested in though, so I'm not bothered about having to cheat to get past hard encounters. I really like the depth of different classes and backgrounds and going back to a non-voiced PC and just having so many different ways to express yourself. The day and night cycles are pretty cool as well, and more organic than they were in Dragon Age 2. The story so far is fine, got a little frustrated at one point where it seemed mission after mission was just being lackey to the city guard but it's starting to pick up again now. I really enjoyed the trial and I like the tensions between Neverwinter and Luskan, it's interesting. I'm well into Act II now so looking forward to seeing what more is to come. What I really love (and was expecting to) are the characters and their interactions. Bishop is a detestable little sociopath who I'm trying hard not to fangirl over and I can't get enough of Sand's snark. I liked Neeshka too but tend not to use her so much anymore since my character has a similar build. It's been great getting to know them and seeing their reactions to events and decisions so I can't wait to see what more comes. I just got to Crossroads Keep, and that seems like an interesting aspect in terms of upgrading and setting tasks etc. So hopefully it continues to go well (frustrating combat aside).
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Post by fenris on Dec 1, 2016 11:52:53 GMT
It is my understanding that GOG has the Diamond edition for free today, if anyone's intrested.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2016 13:29:30 GMT
So have you started playing it yet? I have! I'm very much enjoying it so far, despite utterly despising the combat I was getting on fine until the smuggler's warehouse in Act I when I just kept getting swarmed by thugs and my whole party was continually wiping before I could take half of them down. I was at a decent enough level and had upgraded my weapons as best as I thought and had a balanced party but it was just awful, even on easy. I'm playing a rogue and the only half-decent attack is to sneak attack someone from behind, but I'm constantly pulling aggro for some reason so can't get behind anyone. Anyway, after spending about an hour trying and failing to get past it, I cheated and used debug mode to get through it! It's not really the combat I'm interested in though, so I'm not bothered about having to cheat to get past hard encounters. I really like the depth of different classes and backgrounds and going back to a non-voiced PC and just having so many different ways to express yourself. The day and night cycles are pretty cool as well, and more organic than they were in Dragon Age 2. The story so far is fine, got a little frustrated at one point where it seemed mission after mission was just being lackey to the city guard but it's starting to pick up again now. I really enjoyed the trial and I like the tensions between Neverwinter and Luskan, it's interesting. I'm well into Act II now so looking forward to seeing what more is to come. What I really love (and was expecting to) are the characters and their interactions. Bishop is a detestable little sociopath who I'm trying hard not to fangirl over and I can't get enough of Sand's snark. I liked Neeshka too but tend not to use her so much anymore since my character has a similar build. It's been great getting to know them and seeing their reactions to events and decisions so I can't wait to see what more comes. I just got to Crossroads Keep, and that seems like an interesting aspect in terms of upgrading and setting tasks etc. So hopefully it continues to go well (frustrating combat aside). Oh, you are playing the second one! Yep, it will have tons of fun with the keep, well, at least I loved the keep part.
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Post by JayKay on Dec 11, 2016 19:34:34 GMT
I'm sort of the same way with a lot of the classic Bioware RPGs--I loved DA and ME, and while I have gotten Jade, KOTOR, and just got both NWNs, I haven't gotten through them yet outside of playing around with the intro levels. The sort of D&D style of combat is definitely not my preferred style (D&D is best when you got a bunch of friends together and beer playing a campaign and finding what bullshit you can get away with, not on your own on your PC, IMO), but I want to at least give them a fair shake.
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Post by AGECCR on Dec 11, 2016 21:55:03 GMT
I played NWN for the first time earlier this year, actually. I started with NWN2 because I heard it was better in terms of story and characters (the most important thing for me in rpgs). I had a really difficult time getting used to the combat system, a difficulty I haven't experienced since I was a kid. So that took some adjusting. After that though, I enjoyed it. I will say I was a bit disappointed by the Li for the female character. I was more interested in Sand, honestly. The campaign was fairly good, not great but definitely not bad, and I did have fun. Motb is on a whole different level. It's one of my top gaming experiences. The story and characters were so unique and everything I could have asked for. Obsidian can just blow me away sometimes with their games, especially with their character writing ('s why I have high hopes for a new VtM:Bloodlines sequel). I knew going into NWN that it might not be up to par with the sequel but it was a Bioware game and Gaider wrote for it. I strictly played HotU. I liked some of the characters (mainly Deekin, Valen, and Nathyrra) a lot, enjoyed the party banter, and the story had moments that I found beautiful and cool peppered throughout. I'd like to add that Valen's the only Bioware romance that I really enjoyed in their earlier games, too. As far as areas go, I liked the Hells the best; I absolutely despise the Underdark and didn't have a lot of fun trudging through it or the dungeon before.
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Post by olnorton on Dec 12, 2016 2:24:12 GMT
Did you try any of the user made modules? Pia in A dance with rogues NWN1 My monk doing a circle kick in A Fairy Tale NWN2
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Post by lundajfs on Dec 15, 2016 20:18:50 GMT
I never understood the hate behind Neverwinter Nights OC since Lady Aribeth alone made want to play the game. She is my favorite Bioware character to date.
But NWN is not that amazing, and it is definitely not for people who like Bioware recent games. If you like cinematics, story, romance, jokes and so on start with DAO or even DA2 for voice acting.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 15, 2016 22:05:41 GMT
I knew going into NWN that it might not be up to par with the sequel but it was a Bioware game and Gaider wrote for it. I strictly played HotU. I liked some of the characters (mainly Deekin, Valen, and Nathyrra) a lot, enjoyed the party banter, and the story had moments that I found beautiful and cool peppered throughout. I'd like to add that Valen's the only Bioware romance that I really enjoyed in their earlier games, too. As far as areas go, I liked the Hells the best; I absolutely despise the Underdark and didn't have a lot of fun trudging through it or the dungeon before. If you liked Deekin, you may like Shadows of Urentide, the "prequel" for Hordes of the Underdark
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Post by kizanare on Dec 17, 2016 4:59:23 GMT
It and BG1 are the only good Bio games so yeah.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 0:50:41 GMT
It is a very shallow RPG
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Post by Iakus on Dec 23, 2016 21:26:27 GMT
Depends. The OC was pretty shallow, but the two expansions were much better. It also came with full modding tools, so players were able to create their own stories as well. And some of those were pretty high quality as well.
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