So while I might not need a sub 1 minute gun, it is something I would want. Purely for bragging rights. my .22 can do that at .50 yards, once I properly zero it again. Not sure if my 9mm can do that, but it is something I want to try!
Sure, as I said no matter what try to become as accurate as possible with your weapons platform. I am purely speaking of practical accuracy requirements here and how it differs from range accuracy.
There is also personal finances to take into account here as well. 9mm ammo is cheap, but is 7.62x25 or 5.7x25? If the user can't afford/get a hold of enough ammo to feed their rifle, then all the ballistics in the world won't matter much
Any proper human being who is into shooting sports reload their own ammo anyway. Cuts the costs in half, sometimes it cuts it down to 1/3rd, it makes you able to shoot exotic ammo and very powerful calibers you could never afford as average working Joe.
Besides that, I think 7.62x25 is only a little more expensive than 9x19, but its not very available. Reloading components are cheap and available though. 5.7 is very expensive but available, but reloading components are also relatively cheap and totally available.
There is also personal finances to take into account here as well. 9mm ammo is cheap, but is 7.62x25 or 5.7x25? If the user can't afford/get a hold of enough ammo to feed their rifle, then all the ballistics in the world won't matter much
Any proper human being who is into shooting sports reload their own ammo anyway. Cuts the costs in half, sometimes it cuts it down to 1/3rd, it makes you able to shoot exotic ammo and very powerful calibers you could never afford as average working Joe.
Besides that, I think 7.62x25 is only a little more expensive than 9x19, but its not very available. Reloading components are cheap and available though. 5.7 is very expensive but available, but reloading components are also relatively cheap and totally available.
So far as I can tell, on SG Ammo, 9x19 goes for $10 for a box of 50 on average. 7.62x25 is around $17 for a box of 50. 5.7x28 is around $30 for a box of 50 on average. While 5.56/223 goes for around $20 for a box of 100.
At my local range, based on what I pay per box for .22 and 9mm Luger, you can pretty much double those prices.
I will say, based off what I know about the round, I would prefer to use the 5.7x28 in a survival situation. But for plinking...I don't think thats worth it.
Edit: the last time I went to the range, I actually ran into a russian guy who was into reloading. Just that initial cost to entry though...reloading benches are something like $150 alone for a cheap one. And for the ones that seem to be highly recommended, your talking upwards of $500. Just...ouch.
Last Edit: Apr 19, 2019 13:44:39 GMT by mattig89ch
I have one and I polished and refinished all the guts you see in the video.
Thats awesome! What is it about the rifle, that you like so much?
Pretty much everything, the looks, the handling, the balance, how simple yet ingenious the action is.
What I like most about is though that it is a rifle from freaking 1860 (1860 was when the first version of this rifle saw the light of day) and its still very effective today, for example its definitely a very viable option for home defense as it has very little recoil, good stopping power, it is very easy to shoot accurately and its as fast to shoot as a semi auto if you aim and not just dump rounds.
Also its about the most effective rifle that is not a semi auto, and it has no box magazine and it looks like a classic. That excludes it from all the military rifle features that are always the first to fall in a firearms ban. In case of a firearms ban the lever action and the break action shotguns will be the last to ban, or not banned at all.
Also, anyone paying attention to the Military Arms Channel test of how many rounds it takes to make an AR stop running?
2 thousand rounds between cleanings, and its still running.
the test is a bit strange, I mean he's putting rounds through the gun at a phenomenal rate if he put 8 mags through it like he's doing the 5 chances are it would blow up, he could also get more through it in a single day if he shot at a slower speed, also it should be capable of taking 5k rounds between cleanings if its not getting too warm, both the US and the UK militaries use testing involves making sure the gun can take a minimum of 5k rounds between cleanings as a minimum before its allowed to be entered into the torture trials (which involve 20k rounds without cleaning in various harsh conditions including getting buried in a desert left in the snow for 3 days trodden into a jungle and a few other things all there allowed to do is poor oil into the working parts every 2k rounds, and thats part of the acceptance trials, of course if they were required to put 1000 rounds down range on full auto no gun would actually make it, what with destruction testing proving they all start failing before 1000 (it might take more before the gun blows out somewhere but things are on fire and the barrel is bending between 300 and 500 rounds on average, this is also why hmg's require the barrel to be swapped out every few hundred rounds under non emergency conditions)
just because your paranoid doesn't mean there not out to get you!
i'm dyslexic and grammatically challenged if you spot a mistake its because auto correct has messed up:)
Also, anyone paying attention to the Military Arms Channel test of how many rounds it takes to make an AR stop running?
2 thousand rounds between cleanings, and its still running.
the test is a bit strange, I mean he's putting rounds through the gun at a phenomenal rate if he put 8 mags through it like he's doing the 5 chances are it would blow up, he could also get more through it in a single day if he shot at a slower speed, also it should be capable of taking 5k rounds between cleanings if its not getting too warm, both the US and the UK militaries use testing involves making sure the gun can take a minimum of 5k rounds between cleanings as a minimum before its allowed to be entered into the torture trials (which involve 20k rounds without cleaning in various harsh conditions including getting buried in a desert left in the snow for 3 days trodden into a jungle and a few other things all there allowed to do is poor oil into the working parts every 2k rounds, and thats part of the acceptance trials, of course if they were required to put 1000 rounds down range on full auto no gun would actually make it, what with destruction testing proving they all start failing before 1000 (it might take more before the gun blows out somewhere but things are on fire and the barrel is bending between 300 and 500 rounds on average, this is also why hmg's require the barrel to be swapped out every few hundred rounds under non emergency conditions)
Yea, IV8888's stress testing shows they will make it about 1k before just dying. And I didn't know about those tests myself. Though Tim's tests are supposed to not have any oil anywhere. 1k rounds once or twice a week, till it stops firing. 8 mags though? He's putting in 4-5, then letting it cool, before doing another 4-5. Whats strange about that test?
he's heating up the gun then letting it cool and before pushing more rounds through it, thats going to reduce the carbon buildup and its unrealistic for normal use of a weapon, if your in a firefight you dont rattle off more than 2 mags that fast, if your doing a sustained fire mission then you shoot much slower (like max 1 round every 10 secs) he's pumnping 5+ mags through it in under 2 mins waiting 45 minutes and then doing it again...
its a trick thats been done before and it doesnt actually prove anything, if he wanted to do a "real world test" then he wouldn't do more than triple tap once every 5 minutes (like a hunter) or put out a 5 round group wait 5 minutes and do that again (time for checking targets) that would be real world use and grant indication of actual failure time, for instance last time I went shooting in under 200 rounds I had 4 failure to fire, all caused by carbonisation, which is much worse at lower temperatures...
just because your paranoid doesn't mean there not out to get you!
i'm dyslexic and grammatically challenged if you spot a mistake its because auto correct has messed up:)
Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on May 2, 2019 21:10:55 GMT
Been loading some long range 45-70 rounds. On the the far left there is a 38 Special for comparison. Its a 525 grain bullet traveling at about 1400 fp/s, thats definitely dinosaur medicine.
There is nothing quite like launching some really heavy lead downrange, when you shoot them you can actually hear them hit the bullet backstop a hundred meters away, when firing you hear the boom and then a split second later a sound resembling a distant clap. According to my experiences this only starts to get noticeable at bullets weights of 450 grains and more and calibers 44 and up.
he's heating up the gun then letting it cool and before pushing more rounds through it, thats going to reduce the carbon buildup and its unrealistic for normal use of a weapon, if your in a firefight you dont rattle off more than 2 mags that fast, if your doing a sustained fire mission then you shoot much slower (like max 1 round every 10 secs) he's pumnping 5+ mags through it in under 2 mins waiting 45 minutes and then doing it again...
its a trick thats been done before and it doesnt actually prove anything, if he wanted to do a "real world test" then he wouldn't do more than triple tap once every 5 minutes (like a hunter) or put out a 5 round group wait 5 minutes and do that again (time for checking targets) that would be real world use and grant indication of actual failure time, for instance last time I went shooting in under 200 rounds I had 4 failure to fire, all caused by carbonisation, which is much worse at lower temperatures...
If I'm understanding this test correctly, its not a 'real world' test. The goal is to find out how many total rounds this rifle can put down range before it stops functioning. showing how much total carbon build up it takes to make it simply stop functioning. Though idk if he's going to stop the test at the first malfunction, or at the point where he gets consistent malfunctions, or even if/when the rifle simply stops firing completely.
Been loading some long range 45-70 rounds. On the the far left there is a 38 Special for comparison. Its a 525 grain bullet traveling at about 1400 fp/s, thats definitely dinosaur medicine.
There is nothing quite like launching some really heavy lead downrange, when you shoot them you can actually hear them hit the bullet backstop a hundred meters away, when firing you hear the boom and then a split second later a sound resembling a distant clap. According to my experiences this only starts to get noticeable at bullets weights of 450 grains and more and calibers 44 and up.
I'd love to have a .32ACP/7.65 browning plinking rifle like this as a larger caliber alternative to my Ruger 10/22. The only thing it needs is higher capacity mags.
A similar rifle in .25ACP/6.35mm wouldn't be too shabby either.
I'd love to have a .32ACP/7.65 browning plinking rifle like this as a larger caliber alternative to my Ruger 10/22. The only thing it needs is higher capacity mags.
A similar rifle in .25ACP/6.35mm wouldn't be too shabby either.
Sounds like a neat idea, I do like pistol caliber rifles a lot.