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Post by Lavochkin on Apr 6, 2020 23:05:19 GMT
The major drawback of the STG is that if you end up breaking the stock, then you're left with an inoperable rifle. That's what the Allied occupation forces did to a number of them. So, hopefully any modern repro has some good sturdy stocks(I'd like a good retractable polymer one).
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Apr 6, 2020 23:41:15 GMT
The major drawback of the STG is that if you end up breaking the stock, then you're left with an inoperable rifle. That's what the Allied occupation forces did to a number of them. So, hopefully any modern repro has some good sturdy stocks(I'd like a good retractable polymer one). I don't know, if you manhandle a weapon so hard that the stock breaks there is something really weird going on that will most likely break the rest of the rifle as well. Heck, even the K98k can be rendered inoperable if you break the stock, it can still fire but you cannot grip or shoulder it properly which makes it near useless. That is true for pretty much every wooden stocked rifle. And wooden stocked rifles have an excellent track record, they worked perfectly well for 600 years now, even in abusive military field conditions. Did you know that at first the transition from wooden stocks to plastic stocks in military firearms was made simply to reduce cost? Synthetic stocks are vastly cheaper. Nah, original stock StG44 is fine. GIMME THAT NAO
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Post by nanotm on Apr 7, 2020 10:41:39 GMT
The major drawback of the STG is that if you end up breaking the stock, then you're left with an inoperable rifle. That's what the Allied occupation forces did to a number of them. So, hopefully any modern repro has some good sturdy stocks(I'd like a good retractable polymer one). Did you know that at first the transition from wooden stocks to plastic stocks in military firearms was made simply to reduce cost? Synthetic stocks are vastly cheaper. and most of them were steel framed polymer to start off with since they broke so easily... the reason why everything possible is made of plastic these days is weight reduction though, btw the only reason the M16 didn't get adopted across all of NATO was that it cost too much, it was originally $50 more than some of the other weapons but when your purchasing 300,000 it makes a lot of savings... also the original SUSAT wasn't issued to most uk troops because it cost too much, being as it was the same price as 3 rifles... it was only when the USA was flogging a lot of surplus that we bought a load more of them (and lets be honest those sights were trash) by comparison the MOD cried over the purchase of red dots and acogs when they were offered in bulk for $50 each....yet they wasted $500 each on 2500 custom made mounting rails for the SA80 A2 that due to being mlock weren't even compatible with any of the already purchased mountable options....
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Post by Evil on Apr 7, 2020 12:20:18 GMT
There's another factor for the switch from wood to plastic that loosely ties in to price.
Less lemons.
Since every plank of wood is unique, there'll always be a percentage of them that have a crucial flaw due to variance in the grain, knots, etc. Not an issue for a craftsperson custom making a wooden stock, you just pick out the right piece from the pile and carve it into shape. For a factory making tens of thousands however, that'll result in stocks being made then failing quality testing. Or worse, stocks failing in service. How bad the issue is will depend on the factory line's skill and how good the quality testing is.
Regardless even if its just a one in a thousand chance of a lemon, it still matters when scaled up to military sized numbers. By contrast, if you make tens of thousands of plastic parts and put 'em side by side, the variance between 'em should be almost nonexistant.
Lemons won't be an issue with a high quality gun like an STG, they WILL have been binned long before seeing combat.
Late war last ditch guns however? There's a reason most of 'em were trashed, making 'em surprisingly rare nowadays.
Also, the reduced variance of plastic makes for easier replacement of parts, very rare that you'd need to sand a replacement stock to get it to fit properly as can sometimes happen with wooden stocks.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Apr 7, 2020 18:30:02 GMT
There is also wood laminate, it does not swell like poorly treated wood plus there is a much lower chance of lemons and they look pretty. Its a very common stock on a lot of civilian rifles even today, and at the end of WWII Germans used it on the K98k and Russians on their Mosin Nagant - although they only made a few-
The strange thing is, laminate stocks have a very good reputation but my personal experience with them is abysmal, I had three rifles with laminate stock and they all cracked (delaminated) vertically right around the pistol grip area. I find that recoil eventually separates the layers and the stock gets severely damaged. I switched back to normal wood and haven't had a problem since.
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Post by nanotm on Apr 8, 2020 11:28:01 GMT
she's cute and pretty good at shooting on the move and all that, but i have to ask who in their right mind would give a 9mm pistol to a 7 year old? (at least thats the age she looks and sounds) maybe a .22 pistol would be the limit of "safe shooting" for her tiny self... and yeah the mpx looks nice and even there custom paint job isnt bad
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Post by Lavochkin on Apr 12, 2020 16:46:22 GMT
Presentation on the longest serving military cartridge, the 7.62x54R. It's been used in Mosin-Nagants, Dragunovs and PKs to name a few firearms.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Apr 12, 2020 20:37:24 GMT
I want one! 14.5x114mm at one mile.
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Post by Lavochkin on Apr 13, 2020 2:31:01 GMT
I want one! 14.5x114mm at one mile. I'll take that over a PTRD for hunting Panzers and Sonderkraftfahrzeugs.
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Post by Lavochkin on Apr 22, 2020 19:09:32 GMT
IV8888 talks about the two main types of ammo, particularly for pistols.
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Post by Lavochkin on Apr 29, 2020 17:52:42 GMT
IV8888 talks about the two main types of ammo, particularly for pistols. Another such vid by IV8888, this time about Shotgun shells.
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Post by Beerfish on May 1, 2020 18:03:36 GMT
Canada just banned a whole pile of assault style weapons.
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on May 1, 2020 22:34:04 GMT
Canada just banned a whole pile of assault style weapons. <Sarcasm mode on> That's surprising. I didn't know so many shootings in Canada involved .223 auto rifles? <Sarcasm mode off> I would say that says a lot about Canadian politicians and media. ...But kinda not enough. There's still the great mystery. What do they think this will accomplish? And why? Some words of comfort: There are still .30-30 lever rifles.
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Post by Beerfish on May 1, 2020 22:51:38 GMT
Canada just banned a whole pile of assault style weapons. <Sarcasm mode on> That's surprising. I didn't know so many shootings in Canada involved .223 auto rifles? <Sarcasm mode off> I would say that says a lot about Canadian politicians and media. ...But kinda not enough. There's still the great mystery. What do they think this will accomplish? And why? Some words of comfort: There are still .30-30 lever rifles. I am perfectly happy with it. And I'm saying that as a gun owner and hunter.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on May 2, 2020 0:05:24 GMT
Canada just banned a whole pile of assault style weapons. Whats an assault style weapon? Isn't anything used for an assault an assault style weapon? Assault style sticks? Assault style chair? Assault style longbows? Assault style trucks? As far as bans are cornered, I'm against most bans because that's a crude way to try to stop specific crime, it never deals with the core of the problem and lets it only continue to fester out of sight of the public. It is only used by those who are too lazy to do complex problem solving, you don't solve social problems by banning inanimate objects.
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Post by Lavochkin on May 2, 2020 0:16:52 GMT
"assault weapons" is just a term for scary black pew pew. They'll go after repeating firearms next whenever there's a fortuitous incident(pump action shotguns are restricted in AUS IIRC).
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on May 2, 2020 0:19:31 GMT
"assault weapons" is just a term for scary black pew pew. They'll go after repeating firearms next whenever there's a fortuitous incident(pump action shotguns are restricted in AUS IIRC). Yeah, grandpas old hunting bolt action rifle will be a ''sniper rifle used to kill people from long ranges''. Sad to see gun owners who agree to bans as long as their kind of weapons are not affected - they are too naive to realize that their weapons are next, using similar asinine labels to push quick bans.
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Post by Bael on May 2, 2020 16:58:52 GMT
"assault weapons" is just a term for scary black pew pew. They'll go after repeating firearms next whenever there's a fortuitous incident(pump action shotguns are restricted in AUS IIRC). Yeah, grandpas old hunting bolt action rifle will be a ''sniper rifle used to kill people from long ranges''. Sad to see gun owners who agree to bans as long as their kind of weapons are not affected - they are too naive to realize that their weapons are next, using similar asinine labels to push quick bans. This. One hundred percent. And one of the arguments I hear in support of this kind of stuff is, "military style weapons shouldn't be in the hands of civilians." Well, every type of firearm from muskets to revolvers, shotguns, bolt actions and semi-automatics have been employed in warfare and by the military. The M14 which some would regard as a "hunting rifle," was a standard infantry rife, the Kar98k which is a bolt action rifle was a standard infantry rifle.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on May 2, 2020 20:39:04 GMT
Yeah, grandpas old hunting bolt action rifle will be a ''sniper rifle used to kill people from long ranges''. Sad to see gun owners who agree to bans as long as their kind of weapons are not affected - they are too naive to realize that their weapons are next, using similar asinine labels to push quick bans. This. One hundred percent. And one of the arguments I hear in support of this kind of stuff is, "military style weapons shouldn't be in the hands of civilians." Well, every type of firearm from muskets to revolvers, shotguns, bolt actions and semi-automatics have been employed in warfare and by the military. The M14 which some would regard as a "hunting rifle," was a standard infantry rife, the Kar98k which is a bolt action rifle was a standard infantry rifle. Come to think of it, most people, even the anti-gun fanatics are totally ok with people doing traditional archery. Really nobody bats an eye when they see a longbow. Funnily enough this type of weapon is responsible for the deaths of millions of people over a time of span of thousands of years. I shoot a 70lbs longbow, I can put a broad head through somebody's chest from 25yds away, and that will totally kill them. And it once was a very popular battle-deciding a military issue weapon. Besides all that technicalities, making bans that way is very dangerous politics as it it can easily be used on other things. Far more people die from reckless driving with ''sports cars'' than through firearms, are we gonna get a horsepower regulation because ''you don't need a car with more than 100 horsepower'' and stuff like that? I can totally see that coming.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on May 7, 2020 11:02:09 GMT
Made some testloads for my 7x57 with a new bullet. Funnily, this is pretty much the longest bullet I ever used in any rifle. 175 grain .284 caliber, it maintains velocity downrange is if it were rocket-powered, it never slows down.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on May 8, 2020 22:14:19 GMT
Went to the shooting range, I found out that my red dot on my AK died so I simply took off the side mount and shot it with iron sights. It was a lot of fun. This is 25 or so rounds fired in quick succession in one stint, standing unsupported at 50 meters / 55yds. As long as I am able to hold the black at 50 standing unsupported with quick shots and the black at 100 meters sitting with front support I deem the rifle ''combat ready''. Any extra accuracy is a nice bonus.
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Post by Lavochkin on May 14, 2020 16:00:57 GMT
An unusual torture test of AK and AR platform rifles, a sub-zero(in Fahrenheit) test to see if they'll still function when subjected to such tempatures.
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on May 31, 2020 9:43:17 GMT
An unusual torture test of AK and AR platform rifles, a sub-zero(in Fahrenheit) test to see if they'll still function when subjected to such tempatures. It's not a good test. It doesn't test the firearms. It tests the testing procedure (and possibly the shipping condition of the guns). I've soldiered in polar conditions and I could tell you that most military firearms, new and old, function pretty flawlessly in very cold climates. They're engineered to. The only thing is that plastics become more brittle. But the manufacturers obviously have this in hand when they choose plastics, because I've never seen or heard it being a problem. In cold climate, the air has very low absolute humidity. There's extremely little water vapor in the air. That is not the case here. The fridge collects a lot of humid air when it's open. This then condensates and form ice. The guns are then chilled to become very cold and taken out. Then even more humidity condensates on the cold metal and freezes to ice. The AK, which has pretty slack tolerances, becomes filled with condensation ice. In a real cold environment, that would never happen. This ice is then the problem for working the bolt, until it's cleared enough. Then it's not. The AR, which IMO is a more reliable firearm than the AK (if you treat it right), has much better fit and closer tolerances. It doesn't suffer this problem. There is not enough ice buildup to interfere with the action. But the firing pin is stuck or dampened. Why? I very much doubt it's ice. The rifle is probably delivered greased. The fallback principle for guns in cold environment is to wipe the mechanism dry (particularly the firing mechanism) and avoid taking the gun into warm (moist) indoor conditions (to avoid corrosion from condensation). Though you can use very light oil and very thin coat. But the AK's firing pin? Well, I dunno, but the AK was sure affected by rust afterwards.
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