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Post by Serza on Nov 25, 2016 18:58:33 GMT
Look, it's Polenar!
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Post by capn233 on Nov 25, 2016 19:32:12 GMT
Anybody else think AR15s are way overrated? IMO, if it wasn't for their adoption by the US Armed Forces, they would be a blip on anyone's radar. I'll take an AK any day of the week. haha When I posted last night I almost added the line "It's amazing nobody has derailed the thread with the old AR v AK or 9mm v .45 ACP arguments yet." To answer your question, no. Don't think adoption by an armed service matters to this question, as the AK obviously wouldn't be known to many people if it wasn't adopted by the Soviet Union.
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Post by capn233 on Nov 25, 2016 19:37:00 GMT
Select fire with one of the options being full auto is a necessary requirement for something to be considered an assault rifle. I get your point, but it just triggers my gun autism tbh since the media over here constantly refers to these things as "assault rifles" when they're fucking not ''Select fire with one of the options being full auto is a necessary requirement for something to be considered an assault rifle. '' Even then, isn't ''assault rifle'' still a bullshit term? I remember watching a video that explained this nicely. Gonna have to see if I can find it. Assault rifle basically is just something with select fire, intermediate cartridge, and detachable box magazine. The intermediate cartridge part is to distinguish it from a submachinegun and battle rifle. The term that, at least in the US, is a politico-legal one is "assault weapon," which was defined in the old Assault Weapon Ban in a different manner than above.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Nov 25, 2016 19:39:35 GMT
Love the MG42! Cycling rate out of hell!
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Post by Serza on Nov 25, 2016 19:41:37 GMT
Anybody else think AR15s are way overrated? IMO, if it wasn't for their adoption by the US Armed Forces, they would be a blip on anyone's radar. I'll take an AK any day of the week. haha When I posted last night I almost added the line "It's amazing nobody has derailed the thread with the old AR v AK or 9mm v .45 ACP arguments yet." To answer your question, no. Don't think adoption by an armed service matters to this question, as the AK obviously wouldn't be known to many people if it wasn't adopted by the Soviet Union. I almost forgot, thanks for reminding me! .45 ACP is vastly superior to 9mm!
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Post by Lavochkin on Nov 25, 2016 19:53:34 GMT
Would like a replica or something akin to this shotgun, with it's folding feature and unique pump action that's located in the "wrist" of the gun.
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Post by ToLazy4Name on Nov 25, 2016 20:03:57 GMT
It's one of the few firearms you can legally own in the UK - as long as it's a .22 variant. Though you can own a friggin' great sniper rifle if you want. Can you legally own a pistol in the UK? And what about a shotgun? I'm not actually from the UK, but I like learning about gun laws in other countries. From what I know, pistols are entirely illegal in the UK and there's no possible way for the average civilian to own one. Shotguns and rifles may be owned if you pass the strict requirements for attaining them, but even then they can't be automatics of any kind (so only pump actions, bolt actions, etc). The UK has some of the most strict gun laws in the world. Again if there are any Brits here who know their own laws better than I do, feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Nov 25, 2016 20:06:16 GMT
Can you legally own a pistol in the UK? And what about a shotgun? I'm not actually from the UK, but I like learning about gun laws in other countries. From what I know, pistols are entirely illegal in the UK and there's no possible way for the average civilian to own one. Shotguns and rifles may be owned if you pass the strict requirements for attaining them, but even then they can't be automatics of any kind (so only pump actions, bolt actions, etc). The UK has some of the most strict gun laws in the world. Again if there are any Brits here who know their own laws better than I do, feel free to correct me if i'm wrong. Let's not go down this road on laws, especially since it's not for this thread. Otherwise, this thread would be another swamp inundated with gun laws arguments.
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Post by ToLazy4Name on Nov 25, 2016 20:13:53 GMT
I'm not actually from the UK, but I like learning about gun laws in other countries. From what I know, pistols are entirely illegal in the UK and there's no possible way for the average civilian to own one. Shotguns and rifles may be owned if you pass the strict requirements for attaining them, but even then they can't be automatics of any kind (so only pump actions, bolt actions, etc). The UK has some of the most strict gun laws in the world. Again if there are any Brits here who know their own laws better than I do, feel free to correct me if i'm wrong. Let's not go down this road on laws, especially since it's not for this thread. Otherwise, this thread would be another swamp inundated with gun laws arguments. Bud I get the sentiment but stating the facts isn't discussion of what is and isn't good/bad/whatever. We aren't (or at least i'm not) going to get political here.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Nov 25, 2016 20:33:04 GMT
^ cuz das deadly.
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Post by masterwarderz on Nov 25, 2016 20:44:07 GMT
For those who frequent the politics and other threads, you may have on occasion bore witness to me pine over the fact I am denied the import of a specific Belgian machine gun that I wish to possess above nearly all firearms due to it having been a source of fascination since I was a very young man. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_MinimiThis 5.56mm belt fed light machine gun first came to my eye during the war in Kosvo in which it was employed by NATO forces, as you can expect I was enamored by the weapon during news reels and clips, and later on in life I saw it in usage by my own branch of the military in Iraq and Afghanistan and I on one occasion actually even got to fire it. I was smitten by first trigger pull, the displacement, the weight, the smooth body and frame...the fucking chrome laden bore in the barrel that can be swapped out quickly for extremely prolonged periods of fire to deal with heat. Overall this weapon of war has basically been my bae of light machine guns since I was 19. One day, I will have one.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Nov 25, 2016 20:53:23 GMT
hmm... I found an interesting comment about AK47 vs G3:
"The Portuguese had extensive colonial wars in Africa in the 1960's and 1970's. The main Portuguese weapon was the German G3. For much of those wars, the main insurgent weapon was the SKS. In the later part of the war, the insurgents were supplied with AK-47's. From that point on, you notice the three branches of elite forces in the Portuguese Miltary suddenly using the AK-47 in preference to their own weapons: The Army Commandos, the Air Force Paracaidistas (Paratroopers), and the Navy Fuzeileros (Marines) all start carrying the AK-47 (you see this in extensive pictures of the later end of the war). The fact that they would use a weapon that was harder to re supply leads me to believe that for the wars in Mozambique and Angola, and Guinea Bissau, the AK-47 was superior."
So it seems for jungle like environment and battlefields, lighter assault rifles like AK47 are better. And thus for plains and less forest like battlefields heavier and stronger guns.
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Post by masterwarderz on Nov 25, 2016 21:07:39 GMT
hmm... I found an interesting comment about AK47 vs G3: "The Portuguese had extensive colonial wars in Africa in the 1960's and 1970's. The main Portuguese weapon was the German G3. For much of those wars, the main insurgent weapon was the SKS. In the later part of the war, the insurgents were supplied with AK-47's. From that point on, you notice the three branches of elite forces in the Portuguese Miltary suddenly using the AK-47 in preference to their own weapons: The Army Commandos, the Air Force Paracaidistas (Paratroopers), and the Navy Fuzeileros (Marines) all start carrying the AK-47 (you see this in extensive pictures of the later end of the war). The fact that they would use a weapon that was harder to re supply leads me to believe that for the wars in Mozambique and Angola, and Guinea Bissau, the AK-47 was superior."So it seems for jungle like environment and battlefields, lighter assault rifles like AK47 are better. And thus for plains and less forest like battlefields heavier and stronger guns. I will state this plainly. Having fought in Angola myself a little bit back in 02 during the relief effort. The AK startlingly accurate at mid range firing semi auto, but the thing is our rifles are even more accurate at mid to long range. Not to a ridiculous degree of precision mind you, but overall we can fire far more frequently and expect our bullets to hit and unlike certain boys over in Iraq who were packing assault gear, the fellows over in Angola more often then not were not wearing anything besides fatigues or BDUs. Its worth noting however, all the combat I saw took place in urban environments or fields, where I had a clear view of the surroundings, or where it was mid range at best, street fighting. Where the average point of engagement was thirty or so yards and either one of our bullets would go where we directed them fairly easy. That said the sheer disparity between our two forces does go beyond mere equipment, it goes beyond what rifle we are lugging into the field, it goes into the difference of training the methodology, most of the folks I fought in Angola to my eye were not what I would label soldiers, they carried the rifles, wore the uniforms, but they more often then not ran into difficulties doing the simplest of things such as reloading a rifle or clearing jam and yeah despite the very common misconceptions AKs jam. They stovepipe, they do anything any other gun will do when its running either cheap ammunition or being beaten to hell daily for years. So I suppose my experience and the Portuguese experience differed greatly. Then again they were both shooting the same cartridge, and this does not describe where they engaged each other or any particular battles one could look into actually so who knows.
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Post by Pearl on Nov 25, 2016 21:44:46 GMT
So, anyone here had a chance to shoot the S&W 500 without it smacking them in the face?... I fired precisely one shot with it (convinced a nice gentleman at a range to let me try his), and while it definitely kicks harder than anything else I've shot, only a sopping wet vageener of a human being would lose control of it.
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Post by Pearl on Nov 25, 2016 22:00:04 GMT
I fired precisely one shot with it (convinced a nice gentleman at a range to let me try his), and while it definitely kicks harder than anything else I've shot, only a sopping wet vageener of a human being would lose control of it. I wonder if the kick is manageable enough for this gun to actually be useful in the case of a fire fight, I can see it being useful if you want to stop a charging bear (or a T-Rex...), but if you had to shoot many times in a row that kick might take a toll. To be honest I'm not sure a five-shot revolver would be super useful in a sustained firefight, regardless of caliber. I can see how multiple shots with it would wear you out quickly, though.
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Post by masterwarderz on Nov 25, 2016 22:12:44 GMT
To be honest I'm not sure a five-shot revolver would be super useful in a sustained firefight, regardless of caliber. I can see how multiple shots with it would wear you out quickly, though. Well, I can't really say, I never shot a revolver, and I'm not interested in them usually, but I suppose one could use those fast loading clips (is that the right term?) to reload in the middle of a fight and shoot more. But you are probably right. I guess they had a different purpose in mind for that gun. They are called speed loaders for revolvers.
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Post by ToLazy4Name on Nov 25, 2016 22:27:26 GMT
Large caliber revolvers are good for hunting and self defense against extremely large predators if you're hiking and such, but not much else. If you want to blow a giant hole in someone, get a shotgun.
Edit: case and point, the post below mine
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Nov 25, 2016 22:31:20 GMT
I fired precisely one shot with it (convinced a nice gentleman at a range to let me try his), and while it definitely kicks harder than anything else I've shot, only a sopping wet vageener of a human being would lose control of it. I wonder if the kick is manageable enough for this gun to actually be useful in the case of a fire fight, I can see it being useful if you want to stop a charging bear (or a T-Rex...), but if you had to shoot many times in a row that kick might take a toll. There is a S&W bear protection kit. The 500 S&W makes a good anti-bear gun. Bears charge with up to 60 km/h from very short distances so all you've got is one, if you're lucky maybe two aimed shots so recoil and follow up shots do not really matter. What does matter is having a big round that digs through all that bone and muscle of that huge animal. In a conventional firefight the 500S&W makes very little sense as its power is totally wasted on thin skinned small two legged creatures. Follow up shots are hard due to the muzzle raise and 5 shots isn't really much firepower. There are many faster more flexible and sensible options to defend yourself out there. And I'm not talking out of my arse, I've shot a 4'' 500 several times and its a fun gun for what it is. Recoil, wasn't really that harsh but I have big arms, however muzzle raise was bad and I had a layer of black rubber on my palm after shooting 25 shots. And its not really that powerful either, a hot ordinary 12 gauge shotgun slug has more Energy.
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Post by ToLazy4Name on Nov 25, 2016 23:27:31 GMT
I can think of one other use for it aside from bear defense, if your enemies are wearing ballistic protection and you don't have armor piercing ammo, this might do the trick as well... If you're up against someone with body armor, your best bet is to simply not engage with something that won't punch through or to use something that doesn't care if it can punch through or not. As in, either get a rifle (which soft body armor typically won't be capable of stopping) or nail them with a shotgun that'll crush their sternum regardless of whether or not it actually pierces the armor. Admittedly, a .500 magnum might be capable of this as well. If someone's wearing plate armor or just an incredible amount of highly resistant soft body armor, then chances are you're Warderz getting raided by the ATF or something and you should go innawoods and detonate the explosives you have rigged on your house.
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Post by masterwarderz on Nov 25, 2016 23:28:45 GMT
There is a S&W bear protection kit. The 500 S&W makes a good anti-bear gun. Bears charge with up to 60 km/h from very short distances so all you've got is one, if you're lucky maybe two aimed shots so recoil and follow up shots do not really matter. What does matter is having a big round that digs through all that bone and muscle of that huge animal. In a conventional firefight the 500S&W makes very little sense as its power is totally wasted on thin skinned small two legged creatures. Follow up shots are hard due to the muzzle raise and 5 shots isn't really much firepower. There are many faster more flexible and sensible options to defend yourself out there. And I'm not talking out of my arse, I've shot a 4'' 500 several times and its a fun gun for what it is. Recoil, wasn't really that harsh but I have big arms, however muzzle raise was bad and I had a layer of black rubber on my palm after shooting 25 shots. And its not really that powerful either, a hot ordinary 12 gauge shotgun slug has more Energy. Makes sense. Never really thought about it as an ideal gun for a fire fight, but I wondered how it might do in a pinch. I can think of one other use for it aside from bear defense, if your enemies are wearing ballistic protection and you don't have armor piercing ammo, this might do the trick as well... In that situation just keep firing, just because the bullet's aren't killing them immediately doesn't mean they will be a threat after taking a half dozen rounds to the chest. At the very least you can floor them with continued fire. Though in this situation its sort of reliant your impact is at the very least staggering them, which ties into muzzle velocity and yadda yadda, bullet travel speed and placement of shot. Unless if they are wearing some ridiculous shit, in which case your kinda fucked, not because they can shrug off fire but because agencies, departments and organizations that can shell out for that tend to have good guns. If you want to trade fire with a SWAT team with a revolver though, more power to you
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Post by capn233 on Nov 26, 2016 0:51:00 GMT
Large caliber revolvers are good for hunting and self defense against extremely large predators if you're hiking and such, but not much else. If you want to blow a giant hole in someone, get a shotgun. Edit: case and point, the post below mine They are good for making loud noises too. edit: If you are up against someone with body armor you should stop to ask them what type it is so you can figure out if your pistol caliber is sufficient.
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Post by masterwarderz on Nov 26, 2016 1:04:33 GMT
Large caliber revolvers are good for hunting and self defense against extremely large predators if you're hiking and such, but not much else. If you want to blow a giant hole in someone, get a shotgun. Edit: case and point, the post below mine They are good for making loud noises too. edit: If you are up against someone with body armor you should stop to ask them what type it is so you can figure out if your pistol caliber is sufficient. Be polite.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Nov 26, 2016 1:37:20 GMT
I can think of one other use for it aside from bear defense, if your enemies are wearing ballistic protection and you don't have armor piercing ammo, this might do the trick as well... If you're up against someone with body armor, your best bet is to simply not engage with something that won't punch through or to use something that doesn't care if it can punch through or not. A magnum revolver round is still a bad option against armor. Generally speaking, what you need to defeat armor is velocity. Magnum revolver rounds usually are relatively big and slow. There is different sorts of armor. For example Level III is ''soft'' body armor that can stop most handgun and shotgun rounds (and most likely the 500), but even relatively low power rifle rounds will go through both sides no problem. So said armor can stop a 500 S&W round weighing 500 grains going 420 meters a second with 2255 ft lbs of energy, but a .223 rifle bullet with only 1240 ft lbs and a tiny bullet compared to the 500 will zip right through because its going more than twice as fast. And the .223 has nearly no recoil at all while the 500 kicks quite a bit. Of course, where revolver bullets really shine is defense against large animals; big heavy projectiles at medium velocities works very well against lots of bone and muscle. Especially if you have to carry the gun around and you don't want to haul a big ass rifle through the woods. As always, there are some exceptions though. For example, the .460 S&W. The revolver that shoots the big 500S&W is also offered in this slightly smaller round, but this round is no joke, its combines unusually high muzzle velocity with a good projectile weight. To put it into perspective, it nearly has the velocity of an AK47 rifle round while shooting a projectile that weighs a lot more. That round is like the love child of a rifle and a revolver and will defeat body armor that is rated for handgun rounds.
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Post by DragonRacer on Nov 26, 2016 2:25:34 GMT
As far as my 5-shot revolver goes, I've got it on me for self-defense only. I reckon if someone is trying to carjack me, they won't be in body armor and if I can't hit their chest or head in 5 close-range shots, then by Darwin's Law I deserve whatever fate brings me at that point.
But I imagine anyone trying to fuck with me is gonna regret it within 5 shots. And if it takes pistol-whipping after that, so be it. Also why I carry a serrated switchblade knife in my purse (aside from extremely personal self-defense between whatever building I left and my car) - back-up as needed. I'm scrappy and full of piss and vinegar. All I gotta do is prove I am not worth the effort to try and take, so I'll throw everything I got into those first crucial moments to impart the message that they should move on to easier targets (or, ideally, I kill the asshole so he can't try and hurt anyone else - the ultimate win-win scenario).
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Post by capn233 on Nov 26, 2016 4:01:05 GMT
If you're up against someone with body armor, your best bet is to simply not engage with something that won't punch through or to use something that doesn't care if it can punch through or not. There is different sorts of armor. For example Level III is ''soft'' body armor that can stop most handgun and shotgun rounds (and most likely the 500), but even relatively low power rifle rounds will go through both sides no problem. So said armor can stop a 500 S&W round weighing 500 grains going 420 meters a second with 2255 ft lbs of energy, but a .223 rifle bullet with only 1240 ft lbs and a tiny bullet compared to the 500 will zip right through because its going more than twice as fast. And the .223 has nearly no recoil at all while the 500 kicks quite a bit. That and you want to have a smaller cross section relative to your projectile mass to concentrate the force into a smaller area (ballistic coefficient more or less). Relatively similar principle whether you are talking about APFSDS out of a 120mm cannon or a 5.7x28mm pistol. .357 SIG is sort of another example. Material matters as well. Want something denser than what you are trying to penetrate, and want the projectile to stay together until it is done penetrating (although a hypersonic penetrator might be consuming itself).
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