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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 23:17:34 GMT
Just started book 3 of James Islington's Licanius Trilogy, Light of All That Falls. Not exactly setting my world on fire, but its a very solid fantasy series so far, and the ending/final book has received generally good reviews from what I've seen so I'm optimistic that it'll go out on a high note.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Apr 8, 2020 23:18:20 GMT
Has anyone else ready Terry Goodkind's "SWORD Of TRUTH" series? Can anyone please give me their honest reviews of the books and where I should start? Or if I should start? I read most of the Sword of Truth series. Some of it is OK. Mostly its bland, cookie-cutter fantasy and is not particularly worth bothering with. There are many, vastly superior fantasy series that deserve ones attention ahead of Sword of Truth. Its not terrible, its just not good either. It's also incredibly and - apparently - unashamedly derivative of The Wheel of Time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 23:27:31 GMT
I read most of the Sword of Truth series. Some of it is OK. Mostly its bland, cookie-cutter fantasy and is not particularly worth bothering with. There are many, vastly superior fantasy series that deserve ones attention ahead of Sword of Truth. Its not terrible, its just not good either. It's also incredibly and - apparently - unashamedly derivative of The Wheel of Time. Yeah absolutely (which makes Goodkind's comments about RJ, and his own place in the fantasy genre, rather amusing)- if that's what you're after, you're better off just reading Wheel of Time and getting the genuine article. And WoT is even sort of a trope-fest itself, but its definitely many orders of magnitude better than Sword of Truth.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Apr 8, 2020 23:31:24 GMT
I greatly appreciate everyone's feedback on The Sword of Truth......you've all given me some things to think about. Thank you.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Apr 8, 2020 23:32:11 GMT
It's also incredibly and - apparently - unashamedly derivative of The Wheel of Time. Yeah absolutely (which makes Goodkind's comments about RJ, and his own place in the fantasy genre, rather amusing)- if that's what you're after, you're better off just reading Wheel of Time and getting the genuine article. And WoT is even sort of a trope-fest itself, but its definitely many orders of magnitude better than Sword of Truth. Oh, yeah. WoT is definitely a trope-fest, as you say. RJ even mentioned in his blog, way back when, that he deliberately made the first few chapters of "Eye" resemble the start of the Lord of the Rings. Where WoT succeeds is in finding original ways to use those tropes, including the "Chosen One". Speaking of authors comments about authors; On that blog, a reader asked RJ if he had read any of the Sword of Truth, and that "a lot of the ideas were similar", *insert "that's bait" meme here*. RJ's response? "I am aware of Mr Goodkind."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 23:35:02 GMT
Yeah absolutely (which makes Goodkind's comments about RJ, and his own place in the fantasy genre, rather amusing)- if that's what you're after, you're better off just reading Wheel of Time and getting the genuine article. And WoT is even sort of a trope-fest itself, but its definitely many orders of magnitude better than Sword of Truth. Oh, yeah. WoT is definitely a trope-fest, as you say. RJ even mentioned in his blog, way back when, that he deliberately made the first few chapters of "Eye" resemble the start of the Lord of the Rings. Where WoT succeeds is in finding original ways to use those tropes, including the "Chosen One". Speaking of authors comments about authors; On that blog, a reader asked RJ if he had read any of the Sword of Truth, and that "a lot of the ideas were similar", *insert "that's bait" meme here*. RJ's response? "I am aware of Mr Goodkind." Oh yeah I remember reading about RJ saying that- that was an awesome non-burn burn. And iirc, part of the point of WoT was to intentionally use these fantasy tropes, to give a more plausible or realistic account of how individuals would internally/psychologically react to being in those circumstances. Whereas I'm not sure Sword of Truth was deliberately trying to do any such thing, and wasn't just using tropes and stealing ideas to make up for the authors own lack of creativity.
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Speaking of authors comments about authors; On that blog, a reader asked RJ if he had read any of the Sword of Truth, and that "a lot of the ideas were similar", *insert "that's bait" meme here*. RJ's response? "I am aware of Mr Goodkind." Dry. How contemptuous is that response, eh.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Apr 8, 2020 23:41:14 GMT
Speaking of authors comments about authors; On that blog, a reader asked RJ if he had read any of the Sword of Truth, and that "a lot of the ideas were similar", *insert "that's bait" meme here*. RJ's response? "I am aware of Mr Goodkind." Dry. How contemptuous is that response, eh. In fairness, I'd be fairly contemptuous of someone I believed to be riding my efforts to middling success of their own while pretending their own originality. But RJ was a fairly cantankerous old goat and he took his books very, very seriously. I imagine he saw the SoT series as being less of a copyright infringement and more of an insult to his creation. But that's just a guess.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Apr 8, 2020 23:42:47 GMT
Oh, yeah. WoT is definitely a trope-fest, as you say. RJ even mentioned in his blog, way back when, that he deliberately made the first few chapters of "Eye" resemble the start of the Lord of the Rings. Where WoT succeeds is in finding original ways to use those tropes, including the "Chosen One". Speaking of authors comments about authors; On that blog, a reader asked RJ if he had read any of the Sword of Truth, and that "a lot of the ideas were similar", *insert "that's bait" meme here*. RJ's response? "I am aware of Mr Goodkind." Oh yeah I remember reading about RJ saying that- that was an awesome non-burn burn. And iirc, part of the point of WoT was to intentionally use these fantasy tropes, to give a more plausible or realistic account of how individuals would internally/psychologically react to being in those circumstances. Whereas I'm not sure Sword of Truth was deliberately trying to do any such thing, and wasn't just using tropes and stealing ideas to make up for the authors own lack of creativity. How did you feel about the final 3 books (in TWoT, I mean). Happy with how it turned out? Or hard to wonder "what if" he'd been able to finish them himself? It's a bit of both, for me.
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Oh yeah I remember reading about RJ saying that- that was an awesome non-burn burn. And iirc, part of the point of WoT was to intentionally use these fantasy tropes, to give a more plausible or realistic account of how individuals would internally/psychologically react to being in those circumstances. Whereas I'm not sure Sword of Truth was deliberately trying to do any such thing, and wasn't just using tropes and stealing ideas to make up for the authors own lack of creativity. How did you feel about the final 3 books (in TWoT, I mean). Happy with how it turned out? Or hard to wonder "what if" he'd been able to finish them himself? It's a bit of both, for me. Definitely have mixed feelings about the Brandon Sanderson ones; course-grain view, I found the ending pretty satisfying, and felt like he (with RJ's guidance/direction, obviously) did a pretty good job bringing all the various plot threads together and tying them off in a convincing way. But fine-grain view, I didn't particularly enjoy Sanderson's writing style (which led me to subsequently avoid any of Sanderson's own books or series), I felt that he never really got a feel for some of the main characters (most glaringly, Mat), and that he made some peculiar decisions, such as spending so much time with peripheral characters like Gawyn Trakand. But overall, considering the circumstances, I feel like it was the best we could have hoped for, and altogether Brandon did a perfectly respectable job in a tough spot. I actually just finished my first complete WoT readthrough since MoL came out, and i was more favorably disposed towards the Sanderson books than the first time around. But of course that lingering "what if" is still there, and likely always will be. And indeed, the way WoT and ASOIAF have played have led to me adopting a policy of only reading completed series, or at least series that are on track to be completed (I started reading the Licanius trilogy when the 3rd and final one had not been published yet, but was scheduled to come out in only a few months).
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How did you feel about the final 3 books (in TWoT, I mean). Happy with how it turned out? Or hard to wonder "what if" he'd been able to finish them himself? It's a bit of both, for me. Definitely have mixed feelings about the Brandon Sanderson ones; course-grain view, I found the ending pretty satisfying, and felt like he (with RJ's guidance/direction, obviously) did a pretty good job bringing all the various plot threads together and tying them off in a convincing way. But fine-grain view, I didn't particularly enjoy Sanderson's writing style (which led me to subsequently avoid any of Sanderson's own books or series), I felt that he never really got a feel for some of the main characters (most glaringly, Mat), and that he made some peculiar decisions, such as spending so much time with peripheral characters like Gawyn Trakand. But overall, considering the circumstances, I feel like it was the best we could have hoped for, and altogether Brandon did a perfectly respectable job in a tough spot. I actually just finished my first complete WoT readthrough since MoL came out, and i was more favorably disposed towards the Sanderson books than the first time around. But of course that lingering "what if" is still there, and likely always will be. And indeed, the way WoT and ASOIAF have played have led to me adopting a policy of only reading completed series, or at least series that are on track to be completed (I started reading the Licanius trilogy when the 3rd and final one had not been published yet, but was scheduled to come out in only a few months). Mat was definitely weird. Possibly a result of him being Sanderson's favourite character, though? Like he tried too hard? Finishing something like WoT was always going to be a tall order, though. Like you, I think it was probably the best we could have hoped for given the circumstances. I tried the Way of Kings, book one of the Stormlight Archive by Sanderson. Just couldn't get into it. It wasn't that it was badly written - far from it - it was just missing the 'hook' that other great fantasy series have. I did like the ghost armour idea, though.
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Definitely have mixed feelings about the Brandon Sanderson ones; course-grain view, I found the ending pretty satisfying, and felt like he (with RJ's guidance/direction, obviously) did a pretty good job bringing all the various plot threads together and tying them off in a convincing way. But fine-grain view, I didn't particularly enjoy Sanderson's writing style (which led me to subsequently avoid any of Sanderson's own books or series), I felt that he never really got a feel for some of the main characters (most glaringly, Mat), and that he made some peculiar decisions, such as spending so much time with peripheral characters like Gawyn Trakand. But overall, considering the circumstances, I feel like it was the best we could have hoped for, and altogether Brandon did a perfectly respectable job in a tough spot. I actually just finished my first complete WoT readthrough since MoL came out, and i was more favorably disposed towards the Sanderson books than the first time around. But of course that lingering "what if" is still there, and likely always will be. And indeed, the way WoT and ASOIAF have played have led to me adopting a policy of only reading completed series, or at least series that are on track to be completed (I started reading the Licanius trilogy when the 3rd and final one had not been published yet, but was scheduled to come out in only a few months). Mat was definitely weird. Possibly a result of him being Sanderson's favourite character, though? Like he tried too hard? Finishing something like WoT was always going to be a tall order, though. Like you, I think it was probably the best we could have hoped for given the circumstances. I tried the Way of Kings, book one of the Stormlight Archive by Sanderson. Just couldn't get into it. It wasn't that it was badly written - far from it - it was just missing the 'hook' that other great fantasy series have. I did like the ghost armour idea, though. Yeah I don't think Brandon Sanderson is a bad writer by any means, I just don't personally enjoy his writing style. Or, his style in those final WoT books at any rate. And it definitely felt like he was trying too hard with Mat; it felt like he couldn't really get a hang of Mat's personality and sense of humor, and so sort of just tried to brute-force it. Especially the parts where he was going for humor, it just felt forced. Like that part where Mat is rambling for like 5 pages about how woman are like a pair of boots... without ever really landing the joke. It just seemed like an odd strategy- if you're finishing someone else's novel, and there's a character who you can't really get a feel for, it seems like you would want to spend LESS time in that characters head, or writing their dialogue, and focus on their actions (or on other characters who you have a better feel for). But it felt like Brandon did the opposite: he didn't understand Mat, so he wrote more chapters from Mat's PoV or involving Mat in dialogue. (obviously he couldn't avoid Mat altogether, since he was one of the main characters, but it did feel like some of Mat's material was unnecessary)
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Apr 9, 2020 0:36:17 GMT
obviously he couldn't avoid Mat altogether, since he was one of the main characters, but it did feel like some of Mat's material was unnecessary Disclaimer: I've not re-read any of the last three books since my first reading of them, but from memory, it felt like large chunks of these three could've been done away with or condensed. I still remember when it was announced the last 'two' books were actually going to be 'three'. I was hesitant about the news then, and feel that hesitancy was justified in the end. Knife of Dreams was RJ 'cresting the hill'. After that, he was - meant to be - speeding downhill toward the end. It felt like, at a few points, we pulled off at rest stops on the way down the hill. Describing the individual dresses in minute detail was fine in the earlier books as far as it goes, but the time for that was past.
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obviously he couldn't avoid Mat altogether, since he was one of the main characters, but it did feel like some of Mat's material was unnecessary Disclaimer: I've not re-read any of the last three books since my first reading of them, but from memory, it felt like large chunks of these three could've been done away with or condensed. I still remember when it was announced the last 'two' books were actually going to be 'three'. I was hesitant about the news then, and feel that hesitancy was justified in the end. Knife of Dreams was RJ 'cresting the hill'. After that, he was - meant to be - speeding downhill toward the end. It felt like, at a few points, we pulled off at rest stops on the way down the hill. Describing the individual dresses in minute detail was fine in the earlier books as far as it goes, but the time for that was past. Yep, agree with basically all of this. It was always going to be difficult tying off all the subplots that proliferated in the middle part of the series, but even so, it felt like there was a good deal of bloat in those final 3 books. I already mentioned Brandon Sanderson's decision to spend so much time with Gawyn Trakand- how much of that was essential? How much of the internal reflection of Perrin and Mat were strictly necessary to complete their arcs? Probably a good deal less than we got. That said, I'll reiterate that I enjoyed the WoT ending (i.e. the Brandon Sanderson books) more on my complete re-readthrough than I did the first time around, so I'd recommend giving it another shot when you have the time. And I suspect part of that is knowing the major plot points allows you to skim through the parts that you find obnoxious or unnecessary, and spend more time with the good parts (and there were some really good parts in the Sanderson ones, like Rand and Egwene's character arcs).
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Apr 9, 2020 0:59:42 GMT
That said, I'll reiterate that I enjoyed the WoT ending (i.e. the Brandon Sanderson books) more on my complete re-readthrough than I did the first time around, so I'd recommend giving it another shot when you have the time. And I suspect part of that is knowing the major plot points allows you to skim through the parts that you find obnoxious or unnecessary, and spend more time with the good parts (and there were some really good parts in the Sanderson ones, like Rand and Egwene's character arcs). I may just try that re-read. Ignoring Crossroads of Twilight is a time honoured tradition, after all. And you're right about Rand and Egwene. They were both done very well. Egwene's ending in particular caught me by surprise. I did not see it coming.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2020 2:50:04 GMT
That said, I'll reiterate that I enjoyed the WoT ending (i.e. the Brandon Sanderson books) more on my complete re-readthrough than I did the first time around, so I'd recommend giving it another shot when you have the time. And I suspect part of that is knowing the major plot points allows you to skim through the parts that you find obnoxious or unnecessary, and spend more time with the good parts (and there were some really good parts in the Sanderson ones, like Rand and Egwene's character arcs). I may just try that re-read. Ignoring Crossroads of Twilight is a time honoured tradition, after all. And you're right about Rand and Egwene. They were both done very well. Egwene's ending in particular caught me by surprise. I did not see it coming. I didn't remember being as struck with the end of Egwene's arc the first time around as I was this time, but that was definitely one of the high points for me (and I didn't even love Egwene as a character, but her ending was just that compelling). And I think Brandon's treatment of Rand was probably his biggest strength, it was infinitely better and more natural than his Mat or even Perrin.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Apr 9, 2020 4:52:41 GMT
I may just try that re-read. Ignoring Crossroads of Twilight is a time honoured tradition, after all. And you're right about Rand and Egwene. They were both done very well. Egwene's ending in particular caught me by surprise. I did not see it coming. I didn't remember being as struck with the end of Egwene's arc the first time around as I was this time, but that was definitely one of the high points for me (and I didn't even love Egwene as a character, but her ending was just that compelling). And I think Brandon's treatment of Rand was probably his biggest strength, it was infinitely better and more natural than his Mat or even Perrin. Yep, completely agree....and now I think I need to read them again Thanks, man. Good thing my whole country is in lockdown, I guess...
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I didn't remember being as struck with the end of Egwene's arc the first time around as I was this time, but that was definitely one of the high points for me (and I didn't even love Egwene as a character, but her ending was just that compelling). And I think Brandon's treatment of Rand was probably his biggest strength, it was infinitely better and more natural than his Mat or even Perrin. Yep, completely agree....and now I think I need to read them again Thanks, man. Good thing my whole country is in lockdown, I guess... Yeah that's one of the few silver linings to the whole isolation/social distancing/semi-quarantine thing, plenty of time to read (for many of us, at least)
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I finished re-reading the third book of Juliet Marillier Shadowfell series: "The Caller".
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I'm finishing "The Way Of Shadows" Book 1 of the Night Angel Trilogy by Brent Weeks. It's my fifth time reading it and even though I know the story, I'm still extremely enjoying it. Undoubtedly, among the best books I've ever read. They're the kind of books that with every time I read them, I learn knew things about the characters, I see each character in a different way, a different light- and it makes me appreciate each of them more. There are little intricate details that I pick up on that gives me light bulb moments, makes me smile, makes me laugh...and even some that make me cry. And yes, though I know how the whole trilogy ends...Even as I am reading the first book I can still vividly recall the very ending of the trilogy, and I know it will make me cry because it is bitter-sweet in many respects. Such, such a good trilogy.
I would highly recommend it to anyone who is considering something new. I bought it because I wanted to branch out away from all the EU STAR WARS books I'd read when I was younger. As much as I enjoyed each of those, I really wanted to try something fresh. I was attracted to the artwork on the cover of the first book, when suddenly a stranger comes up behind me and can't stop gushing about how amazing they are. Honestly, he gushed like a teen-aged fan-boy who had just met his idol....and so I bought the first one in October of 2010 finished it in two days and went back to buy the last two so I could finish the trilogy.
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I just finished reading this book: Thomas Hardy had guts writing about some of the things he did for the time period. Book started off promising, got bogged down in the middle and then picked up at the end. Certainly not a happy story I'll say that.
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Post by Beerfish on Apr 17, 2020 4:10:25 GMT
I just bought 'Revelation Space' by Alistair Reynolds, a book and start of a series recommended by some people on here. Back to sci fi again for a while.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 18, 2020 9:24:52 GMT
Yes, this is a book. Yes, I am reading it. Its quite interesting so far...though the book itself is a bit dry and 'tell not show' at times.
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