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Post by House Targaryen on Jan 15, 2018 1:46:01 GMT
I'm kind of hoping no one ends up with anyone and Kylo simply gets saber-skewered and force-pushed into a classic Star Wars glowing chasm. Sucky way to end the Skywalker legacy, though. Though really, it sucks that Kylo IS the Skywalker legacy. Since emo Ren is part Skywalker, guess he and Rey need to breed to keep that powerful Jedi line going.
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Post by river82 on Jan 15, 2018 7:53:36 GMT
Stop me if you’ve heard this one before. A young man discovers that he’s destined for greater things in the galaxy, joins a mysterious, semi-religious order that act as the guardians of peace in said galaxy, and finds himself fighting an oppressive, genocidal regime bent on controlling the collective, galactic civilization. If that sounds like Star Wars, you’d be right, but it’s also the plot of comic book author Michael Moreci’s debut novel, Black Star Renegades. The book is a conspicuous tip-of-the-hat to George Lucas’ space opera franchise, and it’ll appeal to fans of Ernie Cline’s easter egg-laden novel Ready Player One.
In the book’s acknowledgements and elsewhere, Moreci recounts that his editor called him up and asked him to write a love letter to Star Wars — a pulpy, exuberant adventure that captured the spirit of the franchise. The result is a book that is recognizably inspired by Lucas’ story, but an enjoyable read in and of itself.
There’s been a small movement of self-aware genre novels in recent years. Some are directly referential, like Ernie Cline’s 1980s love letter Ready Player One or John Scalzi’s Star Trek meta-homage Redshirts. Others take on genre themes more broadly, like Lev Grossman’s nuanced fantasy series The Magicians, or his twin brother Austin Grossman’s books about superheroes and gaming, Soon I Will Be Invincible and You.
Black Star Renegades fits somewhere in the middle of these. Every page is loaded with references to Star Wars: there are world-destroying super weapons, mythical orders of warriors, exciting space battles, and plenty of wise-cracking heroes. But the book is self-aware about showing those influences while remaining entertaining in its own right. Cade and his friends rocket around the galaxy, rolling with the punches as they’re attacked by the Praxis and uncover unexpected twists that rock their worldview, such as the true origins of the Praxis Kingdom and its agents.
Moreci’s book is what I’d characterize as a sort of beach read for nerds — like Ready Player One or Andy Weir’s The Martian and Artemis. It’s a lighthearted, nostalgic novel that focuses on vibrant characters and adventure, built out of recognizable parts from the likes of Star Wars, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Arthurian legend. As such, it’s a genuinely entertaining adventure that understands what people love about grand struggles between good and evil. Black Star Renegades is geek comfort food for when you want to sit back and just enjoy the ride.
www.theverge.com/2018/1/13/16885392/black-star-renegades-michael-moreci-star-wars-science-fiction-book-reviewNo lightsabers though ... oh wait, they have "shidos".
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Jan 15, 2018 20:25:01 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Rey seems to get far more hate after Ep.8 than after Ep.7... In my eyes she is Mary Sueish, but in Ep.7 she was likeable enough, tough and resourceful with a softer side. On Ep.8 on the other hand she comes out as a stubborn idiot, then suddenly by the end she is more like a space Jesus with no apparent training... Just a random shower thought.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 15, 2018 21:10:42 GMT
I found these two videos which are really...interesting. I like the presentation and he brings up some interesting points.
1. Not sure if I have brought this point up before but I do remember thinking about it, that Rey is a stand in for fans of the series in general. Of course I did not stretch to include Kylo Ren in this...but it really fits.
2. And again, he brings up that Rey actually has not done anything special yet. Yes, she is good at things because she has studied them in her life, but nothing that almost a dozen other people hasn't done over the course of the franchise.
3. And he is pretty bang on about 'Clint Eastwood Luke'. But, I think I'll let him explain that one.
Edit: And that's what I get for not sometimes re reading the page before, yes yes shame on my the comments are largely directed at the video smilesja posted. And on another point to, I just really appreciate that he brought up the point I have been driving home, just because I love the NT and its characters does not mean I hate the OT. My love for Rey does not mean I do not love Luke. My love for Poe does not mean I hate Han Solo. My love for Kylo Ren does not mean I dislike Revan. All of these are great characters and they are all Star Wars.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 15, 2018 21:33:00 GMT
Holy crap I just realized:
Star Wars fans: Disney does not care about the past and is seeking to destroy and or ruin everything about classic Star Wars.
Also Star Wars fans: Disney is focusing too much on nostalgia and the past with movies like Solo and Rogue One...we wanna see new content!
Of course in most cases they are probably different people making the arguments but it is always an interesting time being involved in certain fandoms.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 15, 2018 21:36:01 GMT
Holy crap I just realized: Star Wars fans: Disney does not care about the past and is seeking to destroy and or ruin everything about classic Star Wars. True Not for me. Prior to TLJ, I was interested in seeing the Solo and Kenobi movies. Now I'm afraid of what they might do.
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Post by smilesja on Jan 15, 2018 21:37:19 GMT
To be honest I really think It's Moviebob taking glee that the super fans are disappointed. He doesn't like them at all.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 15, 2018 21:42:29 GMT
Holy crap I just realized: Star Wars fans: Disney does not care about the past and is seeking to destroy and or ruin everything about classic Star Wars. True Not for me. Prior to TLJ, I was interested in seeing the Solo and Kenobi movies. Now I'm afraid of what they might do. It really is not objective true. I mean goodness with a franchise whose one of the biggest maxims is "From a Certain Point of View" there is a lot of commentary which seems to miss that basic premise. I wouldn't worry. I mean you can support Disney or not by going to see the movies or not based on your monetary choices. But, I feel the anthalogy films...at least Solo and Kenobi...can't do as much 'damage' to the franchise. Look at Rogue One. It was a fairly safe, typical, expected, (kind of souless) movie which really fit in nicely to Star Wars canon. I mean again sure the risk about doing Prequels is you risk pissing fans off with continuity errors (hello prequel trilogy) but I do not really hear those arguments leveled against Rogue One.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 15, 2018 21:43:30 GMT
To be honest I really think It's Moviebob taking glee that the super fans are disappointed. He doesn't like them at all. Possibly but I don't...see that? I mean his basic premise is that the TLJ (and ST in general) is a love letter to the fans. And while that might be true given these are the first two vids I have watched of his I do not see the pattern.
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Post by Melra on Jan 15, 2018 21:44:14 GMT
Holy crap I just realized: Star Wars fans: Disney does not care about the past and is seeking to destroy and or ruin everything about classic Star Wars. True Not for me. Prior to TLJ, I was interested in seeing the Solo and Kenobi movies. Now I'm afraid of what they might do. The whole post is the kind of screeching that has been seen since TLJ came out, maybe even earlier. "Ehmigerd these guys are impossible to satisfy". Besides in many cases the "nostalgia" complaints aren't really nostalgia complaints, it's about the structures of the movies. People don't necessarily want the same structure for all the stories. We already had the original Star Wars trilogy, why would we want a repeat of that, just with new characters? You can come up with new ways to structure to story as long as it makes sense and flows well. When you start pulling shit like almost copy and paste of Battle of Hoth, just with sand and things like that, it is just too on the nose. It's not at all creative. In larger pool of battles, I'd imagine there to be similarities, but they haven't shown that many battles in the movies, especially the new ones. They could've come up with quite different types of battles instead of ripping stuff from the originals. Keep the spirit, respect the original material and characters, but introduce new locations, characters and expand the world in good way. Don't make the movies all about pushing some agenda that doesn't feel fitting to the Star Wars universe. Think Star Wars universe and the earlier material offer some pretty good tools and timelines that allow even fans to come up with more coherent stories and characters than these nerfherders have come up with. They basically fucked up the part that was the easiest to stay true to, but they fucked it up on purpose to push some moronic agenda.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 15, 2018 22:00:36 GMT
Crait is to Hoth what New York cheese cake is to a Klondike bar.
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Post by HK90210 on Jan 15, 2018 22:23:21 GMT
From the last Old!EU novel featuring the main three characters of the Original Trilogy:
"Leia saw Luke’s gaze flicker from Ben to Tahiri and Jaina, then to Ohali and herself—from the youngest generation of modern Jedi to the eldest—and she felt the calm that came to him in the Force. Luke had done his work well. The Jedi Order was strong and vigorous. The time had come for him to step out of the way, to let his creation grow into something larger than himself."Damn, i miss the old EU.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 15, 2018 22:27:12 GMT
It actually begins to really puzzle me the lengths this fandom is going to comparing the OT to the new stuff. I mean full disclosure while watching Crait my Dad was like Hoth 2.0. But aside from the Walkers what were the similarities?
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Post by Melra on Jan 15, 2018 22:37:24 GMT
From the last Old!EU novel featuring the main three characters of the Original Trilogy:
"Leia saw Luke’s gaze flicker from Ben to Tahiri and Jaina, then to Ohali and herself—from the youngest generation of modern Jedi to the eldest—and she felt the calm that came to him in the Force. Luke had done his work well. The Jedi Order was strong and vigorous. The time had come for him to step out of the way, to let his creation grow into something larger than himself."Damn, i miss the old EU. I assume that was the part that turned off large portion of the majorly female story group when it came to using stuff from the EU. They wanted to take down the male hero and put in place a godlike female one, who they forcefully made untied to the one that came before. As if giving him any credit for her capabilities would probably somehow be seen as demeaning to them. She has to be strong and independent! Most great individuals have to give at least a bit of credit to someone who came before and it is a great way to tie past and new characters. I wonder if these people have created a single coherent story that doesn't reek of their crazy nonsense.
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Post by smilesja on Jan 15, 2018 23:51:41 GMT
To be honest I really think It's Moviebob taking glee that the super fans are disappointed. He doesn't like them at all. Possibly but I don't...see that? I mean his basic premise is that the TLJ (and ST in general) is a love letter to the fans. And while that might be true given these are the first two vids I have watched of his I do not see the pattern. It's how Bob acts on twitter and he really shows is bias on the videos.
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 15, 2018 23:54:36 GMT
Keep the spirit, respect the original material and characters, but introduce new locations, characters and expand the world in good way. Don't make the movies all about pushing some agenda that doesn't feel fitting to the Star Wars universe. Think Star Wars universe and the earlier material offer some pretty good tools and timelines that allow even fans to come up with more coherent stories and characters than these nerfherders have come up with. They basically fucked up the part that was the easiest to stay true to, but they fucked it up on purpose to push some moronic agenda. What agenda would that be, exactly?
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Post by masterwarderz on Jan 16, 2018 0:11:33 GMT
To be honest I really think It's Moviebob taking glee that the super fans are disappointed. He doesn't like them at all. He doesn't like anyone who doesn't subscribe to a white guilt, patriarchy narrative.
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Post by masterwarderz on Jan 16, 2018 0:35:30 GMT
Unless... the opening scene of episode 9 is He & Rey in bed together. Then later, after their inevitable climactic duel, (assuming she survives, which is very likely because Feminism) she has a nurse droid casually lean into frame & say "BTW Mistress, you're pregnant" I'd more readily believe Chewbacca was the father, tbh... I don't think soyboys have sex tbh
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Post by masterwarderz on Jan 16, 2018 0:43:21 GMT
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