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Post by Andrew Waples on Jan 17, 2018 19:39:25 GMT
Funny, I've heard some say that's a good a thing.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 17, 2018 19:40:32 GMT
Well they got one thing right: Rey is boring and it's sad and frustrating that It came to that. Rian Johnson messed with her and Finn. but you never liked Rey...
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 17, 2018 19:42:05 GMT
Glad to see the Chinese have all their priorities in order... They loved World of Warcraft, a masterpiece if there ever was one. WoW must have had hot people then.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 17, 2018 19:45:27 GMT
Funny, I've heard some say that's a good a thing. It is now. Because we need to turn to something to make up for her mess.
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Post by smilesja on Jan 17, 2018 19:48:20 GMT
Well they got one thing right: Rey is boring and it's sad and frustrating that It came to that. Rian Johnson messed with her and Finn. but you never liked Rey... Believe it or not, despite my criticisms, I actually did like Rey and was eager to see where she was going and whether or not TLJ will address or fix my critiques. After TLJ Rey actually regressed to the point where I was sure she was the main character in that film, she was barely involved in the climax!
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Post by colfoley on Jan 17, 2018 19:59:53 GMT
but you never liked Rey... Believe it or not, despite my criticisms, I actually did like Rey and was eager to see where she was going and whether or not TLJ will address or fix my critiques. After TLJ Rey actually regressed to the point where I was sure she was the main character in that film, she was barely involved in the climax! which is one of the points I've been hammering.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 17, 2018 20:11:49 GMT
Funny, I've heard some say that's a good a thing. It is now. Because we need to turn to something to make up for her mess.
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Post by fiannawolf on Jan 17, 2018 20:38:15 GMT
This was too good not to share:
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Post by river82 on Jan 17, 2018 21:27:08 GMT
The prequels were universally slammed, the new trilogy is only slammed by certain fans. Not only are the Prequels worse but (and most importantly) the New Trilogy appeals to a wider audience (not hard when they only need to appeal to an audience).
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Post by river82 on Jan 17, 2018 21:35:29 GMT
If people didn't like the NT, I'd point to some of the EU novels. I can't in good faith recommend watching George Lucas' shit filled prequels - the same prequels which almost killed Star Wars.
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Post by smilesja on Jan 17, 2018 21:48:19 GMT
The prequels were universally slammed, the new trilogy is only slammed by certain fans. Not only are the Prequels worse but (and most importantly) the New Trilogy appeals to a wider audience (not hard when they only need to appeal to an audience). Universally slammed by who? The internet?
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 17, 2018 21:48:57 GMT
If people didn't like the NT, I'd point to some of the EU novels. I can't in good faith recommend watching George Lucas' shit filled prequels - the same prequels which almost killed Star Wars. As opposed to Disney, which actually killed Star Wars (and replaced it with a creepy animatronic puppet). The prequels weren't great but they did spur and revitalize Star Wars world-building which massively contributed to the EU you at least acknowledge is superior. Contrast that to Mickey Wars, where at least as far as Hope Harder and Rogue 1 is concerned, I have zero interest in seeing any of those places again.
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Post by smilesja on Jan 17, 2018 21:50:02 GMT
If people didn't like the NT, I'd point to some of the EU novels. I can't in good faith recommend watching George Lucas' shit filled prequels - the same prequels which almost killed Star Wars. It actually enhanced and stimulated Star Wars, to the point where George was able to get over a billion dollar deal with Disney.
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Post by masterwarderz on Jan 17, 2018 21:58:03 GMT
No. For consistently liking things that are shit, defending them in a biased manor that consistently uses language that shapes him as some sort of authority on the subject at hand (which he clearly is not)... Really, just for having bad taste. I didn't report his post, because there was nothing to report. He is a nice and friendly person that I cannot stand. Therefore, he must be banned. ... I don't expect anyone to be banned, most of all because I of all people recommend it. It was sort of a joke, but it does remain my dream. But I feel I bring a unique perspective, as someone who studies the art of writing. Now that does come off as arrogant There have been many authors, writers and scribes in the past few thousand years and I am fairly certain out of all those tens of thousands that are recalled even today in the realms of historical accounts, mysticism, fantasy or what have you ._. Scarce few brought anything unique. ._. Also I myself write, I don't think it grants me perspective beyond my own, my understanding of narrative structuring and literary story devices aside, I don't have some magical insight.
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Post by masterwarderz on Jan 17, 2018 21:59:53 GMT
Earlier today I went to a nearby Books A Million and picked up a few old EU paperbacks. To be honest, I haven't read any of them and I feel guilty for it because I've always heard good things about them. To start, I got Heir to the Empire, X-Wing Rogue Squadron and Kenobi. I'm looking forward to digging in with these. Also, a good little gem I found:
Its nothing but feels, I know, but it truly highlights Sir Alec Guinness and his acting skill. To have such emotion for a character who, at the time, didn't have a backstory fully fleshed out is amazing.
The true Episode VII. Enjoy. People always forget Truce At Bakura... It takes place immediately after Endor.
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Post by river82 on Jan 17, 2018 22:01:49 GMT
If people didn't like the NT, I'd point to some of the EU novels. I can't in good faith recommend watching George Lucas' shit filled prequels - the same prequels which almost killed Star Wars. As opposed to Disney, which actually killed Star Wars (and replaced it with a creepy animatronic puppet). The prequels weren't great but they did spur and revitalize Star Wars world-building which massively contributed to the EU you at least acknowledge is superior. Contrast that to Mickey Wars, where at least as far as Hope Harder and Rogue 1 is concerned, I have zero interest in seeing any of those places again. True, there was a lot of worldbuilding in the Prequels which is what I think Lucas does best - builds great universes. I couldn't get behind the political stuff though because once you watch stuff like the West Wing, you realise George shouldn't be writing that sort of stuff xD.
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Post by river82 on Jan 17, 2018 22:04:39 GMT
Universally slammed by who? The internet? Universally slammed by me, and that's all that matters hohoho *Insert distracting text here*
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 17, 2018 22:39:30 GMT
Interesting to see Polygon wade into the debate: It’s time to start ignoring the Star Wars haters"...the real backlash, the nasty, immature one, is much smaller than the online noise would have you believe. Anger above all else. ...The loudest online criticism has had a nasty sexist and sometimes racist undertone that makes it hard to take seriously. And there’s little evidence that this backlash extended through the fandom or even hurt the movie at the box office. ...The ton of their complaints betrays how angry and out of control they feel now that their favorite movie series no longer caters to them exclusively. They want the past back, just like a certain other angry white guy who is portrayed as a somewhat pathetic figure in the films."www.polygon.com/2018/1/17/16901340/star-wars-last-jedi-fan-controversy-rotten-tomatoesI think the article does a disservice to some fans with legitimate concerns who are not as bonkers as the ones Polygon describes. Though there are some of those out there with the power of the internet. It will be fascinating to see how the perception of TLJ ages over time, and in particular how it is viewed when it comes time for episode IX to drop.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jan 17, 2018 22:41:12 GMT
Interesting to see Polygon wade into the debate: It’s time to start ignoring the Star Wars haters"...the real backlash, the nasty, immature one, is much smaller than the online noise would have you believe. Anger above all else. ...The loudest online criticism has had a nasty sexist and sometimes racist undertone that makes it hard to take seriously. And there’s little evidence that this backlash extended through the fandom or even hurt the movie at the box office. ...The ton of their complaints betrays how angry and out of control they feel now that their favorite movie series no longer caters to them exclusively. They want the past back, just like a certain other angry white guy who is portrayed as a somewhat pathetic figure in the films."www.polygon.com/2018/1/17/16901340/star-wars-last-jedi-fan-controversy-rotten-tomatoesI think the article does a disservice to some fans with legitimate concerns who are not as bonkers as the ones Polygon describes. Though there are some of those out there with the power of the internet. It will be fascinating to see how the perception of TLJ ages over time, and in particular how it is viewed when it comes time for episode IX to drop. I don't think the perception of Episode 2 has changed over time.
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Post by HK90210 on Jan 17, 2018 23:08:05 GMT
The true Episode VII. Enjoy. People always forget Truce At Bakura... It takes place immediately after Endor. Tbh, that was always one of my least favorite novels of the old EU. It just never clicked for me like the Rogue Squadron novels(my intro in the EU and still my favorite set) and the Thrawn trilogy(which was driven by its villain). Truce at Bakura was just....meh.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 17, 2018 23:19:40 GMT
Interesting to see Polygon wade into the debate: It’s time to start ignoring the Star Wars haters"...the real backlash, the nasty, immature one, is much smaller than the online noise would have you believe. Anger above all else. ...The loudest online criticism has had a nasty sexist and sometimes racist undertone that makes it hard to take seriously. And there’s little evidence that this backlash extended through the fandom or even hurt the movie at the box office. ...The ton of their complaints betrays how angry and out of control they feel now that their favorite movie series no longer caters to them exclusively. They want the past back, just like a certain other angry white guy who is portrayed as a somewhat pathetic figure in the films."www.polygon.com/2018/1/17/16901340/star-wars-last-jedi-fan-controversy-rotten-tomatoesI think the article does a disservice to some fans with legitimate concerns who are not as bonkers as the ones Polygon describes. Though there are some of those out there with the power of the internet. It will be fascinating to see how the perception of TLJ ages over time, and in particular how it is viewed when it comes time for episode IX to drop. I agree. There is a lot wrong with the film but you see a lot of "Star Wars TLJ: DIE MALES DIE" out there on youtube. And that is just ludicrious because the main hero of the film and largely its protagonist, is a male. Its sometimes hard to distinguish between the criticisms, but I am trying, which is why I am still around here engaging the community.
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Post by HK90210 on Jan 17, 2018 23:31:47 GMT
Interesting to see Polygon wade into the debate: It’s time to start ignoring the Star Wars haters"...the real backlash, the nasty, immature one, is much smaller than the online noise would have you believe. Anger above all else. ...The loudest online criticism has had a nasty sexist and sometimes racist undertone that makes it hard to take seriously. And there’s little evidence that this backlash extended through the fandom or even hurt the movie at the box office. ...The ton of their complaints betrays how angry and out of control they feel now that their favorite movie series no longer caters to them exclusively. They want the past back, just like a certain other angry white guy who is portrayed as a somewhat pathetic figure in the films."www.polygon.com/2018/1/17/16901340/star-wars-last-jedi-fan-controversy-rotten-tomatoesI think the article does a disservice to some fans with legitimate concerns who are not as bonkers as the ones Polygon describes. Though there are some of those out there with the power of the internet. It will be fascinating to see how the perception of TLJ ages over time, and in particular how it is viewed when it comes time for episode IX to drop. People can't be judged by the content of their character or the strength of their arguments. Nope, we must use their ancestry against them. God forbid a white guy be allowed to criticize the direction of a franchise without being belittled for his sex and his race. I'd like Episode IX to redeem TLJ. I really would. I just don't see, at this time, how that's possible. There was such a dropdown of quality filmaking between FA and TLJ, I couldn't believe what I was watching in that theater. Long-term, I really think that opinions of the sequel trilogy will decline. It's not nearly as timeless as the OT, nor is it as world-building as the PT. For all it's flaws, the PT made the Star Wars universe a lot larger and more expansive than the OT did. The ST has yet to do this. The story they are telling is both small, and not nearly the quality of the OT. They've got one more movie to prove me wrong(and hey, if I'm wrong, I'll be among the first to admit it), but I'll be wary going in to Episode XI. I never felt the need to be wary going into a Star Wars film until now. That makes me far sadder than I expected it to. All of this being said, I have an open mind about the Solo movie, Emilia Clarke notwithstanding.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 17, 2018 23:44:27 GMT
Interesting to see Polygon wade into the debate: It’s time to start ignoring the Star Wars haters"...the real backlash, the nasty, immature one, is much smaller than the online noise would have you believe. Anger above all else. ...The loudest online criticism has had a nasty sexist and sometimes racist undertone that makes it hard to take seriously. And there’s little evidence that this backlash extended through the fandom or even hurt the movie at the box office. ...The ton of their complaints betrays how angry and out of control they feel now that their favorite movie series no longer caters to them exclusively. They want the past back, just like a certain other angry white guy who is portrayed as a somewhat pathetic figure in the films."www.polygon.com/2018/1/17/16901340/star-wars-last-jedi-fan-controversy-rotten-tomatoesI think the article does a disservice to some fans with legitimate concerns who are not as bonkers as the ones Polygon describes. Though there are some of those out there with the power of the internet. It will be fascinating to see how the perception of TLJ ages over time, and in particular how it is viewed when it comes time for episode IX to drop. I don't think the perception of Episode 2 has changed over time. For some reason Episode 2 had the biggest impact on me when first seen it with that introduction to Coruscant city and all Obi-Wan/Jango Fett side of the story. Though when I seen it last year, those romance scenes we so painful (however the sand line is now cool) and cut in between all the great parts. Making it hard to fast forward past it. Downloaded the anti-cheese fan edit of trilogy this year and hoping they will help.
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Post by river82 on Jan 18, 2018 0:01:17 GMT
I don't think the perception of Episode 2 has changed over time. For some reason Episode 2 had the biggest impact on me when first seen it with that introduction to Coruscant city and all Obi-Wan/Jango Fett side of the story. Though when I seen it last year, those romance scenes we so painful (however the sand line is now cool) and cut in between all the great parts. Making it hard to fast forward past it. Downloaded the anti-cheese fan edit of trilogy this year and hoping they will help. Which brings up an interesting point. The story of the prequels was supposed to be concentrating around Anakin Skywalker, yet you could make a pretty compelling case that the real main character was Obi Wan #WeNeedAnObiWanMovie
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