Reyes Vidal - No longer A Mystery (Official Thread)

This is from another thread, but my comment fits better here:



Reyes does this a lot! He admits plainly that he's lying - really makes sure you know this is a fact - and openly declaims he's a very greedy man. I think it's way of making his intentions clear. Subsequently I didn't expect him to honorable and didn't really feel betrayed either. It's of course tied to the "He's a better man than you think" comment, and why Reyes thanks you for it.

And the smooth criminal strikes again. Welcome to the dark side.

Yeah, having played the game again and paid more attention to his dialogue, he definitely warns you, and not all that subtly, that he's not what he seems. Even if you defend him in front of Zia, he only tells her to keep you out of it, rather than denying what she says.

That's why I have my smart, goody-two-shoes Sara of playthrough 2 at least try to keep him at arms length (even if there's moments she can't help herself - namely when that kiss interrupt comes up...). She falls for him despite knowing it's a bad idea. She's upset when the truth comes out, but not necessarily surprised. But she makes a conscious decision when she continues the relationship to accept him as he is. A neat character moment for her, that ties in nicely with her overall character arc I RP her to have - she's a good person, but is learning that the world isn't as black and white as she'd always thought and being forced to make decisions where there isn't a clear 'right.' Meanwhile Reyes is this guy who's probably always had a fucked up moral compass, but is trying to be better but understands you sometimes have to dirty your hands to get shit done. I like the contrast between them, and how their relationship might grow them both.

But yeah, even in my first playthrough I didn't feel particularly betrayed either. I had guessed that Reyes might be the Charlatan, and figured he was going to do something shady regardless. He tells you he's greedy, that he's a betting man, that he's good with words. I like to think he's warning you away. Even if you pursue the romance, he's pretty noncommittal most of the time, and it's obvious that even as things get more serious, it never goes further than those two kisses until after you learn the truth (which I hugely appreciate - sex under false pretenses is something I find pretty hard to forgive). But even not romanced he genuinely seems to respect Ryder, and to regret that he had to lie and potentially lose him/her as a friend.

Still, I find it amusing when players are so pissed about him lying to them. They really should've known something was coming.  I realize that's not the only reason people pick Sloane over him, but I don't get when it's because they took his 'betrayal' personally or were surprised by it. Like, did you not talk to him at all? Have you never played a Bioware game?

I always love how good role-playing scenarios people get out of Reyes and Kadara.

The point about them both growing is an excellent one. Ryder is the younger and probably dumber of them, but already at Kadara part of the game she/he can be a good leader. Ryder's unheeded suggestion that Reyes rule with transparency might eventually even stick in some manner, especially if your idea of Reyes not being hands-on and not knowing all the sordid details of Collective operations is true. In such a case, confronting Reyes about the torture house &c. could work well, and definitely is something that should happen in any case. Not that I wanna Ryder to "redeem" or "rescue" Reyes in any way, though. Reyes & Ryder as a morally suspicious secret power couple could be so much fun.

Aw, you're probably right. I picked the casual option first time Reyes thanked Ryder for being his +1, and just assumed they had sex after the roof scene (I actually thought that that was culmination for the romance, low expectations lol). Next time I tried the "should we talk" option, and like you said they only mentioned kissing, with Reyes rather keeping Ryder guessing than having a talk. That was a revealing moment. He definitely is being careful not to be a bastard towards Ryder.

Hey fialka, which conversation options do you choose when you play Ryder trying to keep him at arm's length? That sounds like a fun dynamic to play.

Actually, broader question, does anyone know if there are any flirt options that are required for the romance to continue? Is the kiss interrupt necessary if you've flirted before? How little can one flirt and still continue the romance?

I'm always hesitant to not take a flirt option in a BW game because I'm nervous about missing a lock-in point, even though some of the other responses are often more in-character.

On my first playthrough, I went along with the Reyes romance, but then got really annoyed during the reveal. I jumped to the conclusion that he was just using her for power, but I don't think that anymore lol. So, I'm headcanoning that my Ryder kind of snapped at that point when she saved Sloane and shot Reyes in the back as he ran away.

Anyway, on my second playthrough in NG+ I decided to go through with the Reyes romance. I was not disappointed

My only "concern" about this romance is any future content that may come up in DLC or sequels. Since his involvement in the actual main story (getting the transponder) is short; he's optional to replace Sloane; and he isn't part of the crew... I'm concerned that any future appearances may be reduced to email or off screen death or whatever. It isn't a big deal. I'm happy with what I got, of course, but it would suck if his presence in any future installments of Andromeda was reduced like that

Yeah, I get that too. I just brought it up because it may be a reason for Bioware to axe his character in the future. I'm thinking of other characters in past Bioware games and what may happen. I'm a pessimist :/

I have a difficult time not romancing Reyes.  I really want to go for Gil alone but then I meet up with Reyes and I'm lost.  

I didn't see the reveal coming personally, so I can understand why people would be upset. In retrospect, I probably should have figured it out, knowing Bioware, and given the hints..but I took a long time to finish the quest line and sort of forgot about the little hints that were there, until the reveal. I remember thinking he had more power and influence on Kadara than he let on, but I thought he was an independent power player working for his own goals. So when Sara tells him what she wants (an outpost), but is concerned about Sloane and the violence between the Outcasts and Collective, she is speaking to Reyes as someone she thinks can help her. It turns out he can...just not in the way she expected. Regardless of what Ryder ultimately chooses to do during the duel, I can't help thinking Ryder (unknowingly) encouraged him to have even more resolve to carry out his plan.

Half naked Reyes



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^^Well Ryder is the PC so of course the world revolves around them.

But no, really, I think it's just something about an NPC tricking the player or taking action away from the protagonist that bugs people. And Bioware loves doing this from time to time.

I'm curious if people who felt the need to act also found Jaal's loyalty mission difficult? That was another that involves Ryder just standing back and letting things happen (if you trusted Jaal, that is).

I had a Ryder who took few interrupts, so she stood down in both missions.