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Post by Zitrus on May 30, 2017 16:24:51 GMT
Absolutely agreed. I think the problem with the game is exactly this: the lack of "nuances" between the plot development. It would be better if they really battled and then you could choose who to support. Or if you let Reyes go, there could be an option to chase him and have a dialogue conflict. There are plenty possibilities in this game that weren't used. Sad  I hope Reyes will come back eventually. When you have this kind of confront you can build a richier story. Let's see what we'll get in the future  But them really battling would be unlike Reyes. I think Sloane is the better shot and he knows that. That's why he manipulates her into it and she takes the bait. (+ I totally can't watch her die. The scene just rubs me the wrong way, as well as Reyes' reaction... He thinks this sort of shit is fun or something? Plus, from a purely RP perspective, I don't like the implication that Reyes may possibly have that level of influence over Ryder. Destroys the equal partners dynamic the stuff has) He has a thing for cheesy lines and dramatic entrances. The finger gun is so like him. Luckily it's left ambiguous why Ryder supports him if they do. Could be they are influenced (especially when romanced), or they fully agree, or a bit of both, not necessarily agree Sloane has to die but that she has to be taken out. And the sniper guarantees that in this moment, but only in a deadly way, unfortunately. Everything has a price, would have been too easy otherwise. Lets' hope they don't ruin this story thread in the future Cerberus style. I have to support Liam a bit here. I like him too. He's supportive and can be funny. He's pretty "normal" compared to Reyes. Reyes' life is very different from Ryder's and he feels more exciting. About that shuttle from the Zia mission. I didn't expect it but they actually modelled the interior a bit. The getaway shuttles after the duel look the same. Cockpit, not much to look at: The back seats: |
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Post by Sah291 on May 30, 2017 17:28:38 GMT
Nah, it's fine, it's a viable way to play. I'll save Sloane once, too. Yes, the cave scene is short and you might not expect how it turns out but such is life. However they should have added a little conversation. Like, did he expect Sloane to come alone? Who did he think she would bring along? Agreed, their future relationship if you saved Sloane has potential to be interesting. It's a very grey scenario deciding who you allow to take over. If you do nothing, you kind of just let nature take its course. Did she deserve it in the first place, just because she repelled the kett? It was good she saved the city but that doesn't mean she can run it well. Is he a scumbag for having her assassinated like that? It is shady, as is his way, but also crafty in a way. Why did she not take care of the Collective before? It might not ever have come to that if she had taken steps in a timely manner. Who will be better in the long run? Sloane's results at running the Port are mixed. Absolutely agreed. I think the problem with the game is exactly this: the lack of "nuances" between the plot development. It would be better if they really battled and then you could choose who to support. Or if you let Reyes go, there could be an option to chase him and have a dialogue conflict. There are plenty possibilities in this game that weren't used. Sad I hope Reyes will come back eventually. When you have this kind of confront you can build a richier story. Let's see what we'll get in the future I could see it being interesting, having a sort of antagonist dynamic with him. That was what I liked about Sloane's character too, by the way, so it's a bit disappointing she always dies if you side with him--though I suppose Kaetus could always come back to haunt us somehow. But anyway, those are kind of also the reasons why I liked the way it played out and the whole moral ambiguity of Ryder's action/inaction. I wasn't expecting it. I was expecting them to start to fight and that Ryder would have to jump in and shoot one of them. For Ryder's part, he/she doesn't really do anything at all, but lets events play out, and later gets credit for dealing with Sloane (as far as the Nexus is concerned). And yet Ryder has foreknowledge of what is most likely to happen, thanks to SAM pointing out the sniper. There's something really passive aggressive about that, and introduces some grey morality to Ryder. You can choose to just accept Reyes for who he is, without judging him or imposing a moral principle one way or the other, and that's kind of different from how Bioware often writes PCs. Other than asking why he didn't trust you, you're not even required to be angry about it. On the other hand, if Ryder does side with Sloane, it can also be ambiguous whether Ryder did it to be altruistic or to manipulate Sloane by playing the hero (which is what Reyes' email about Ryder hiding their true self sort of implies to me if you do shoot him). Ryder can have a quite cold dialogue line about being done with him and not caring what happens to him. |
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on May 30, 2017 19:13:46 GMT
I could see it being interesting, having a sort of antagonist dynamic with him. That was what I liked about Sloane's character too, by the way, so it's a bit disappointing she always dies if you side with him--though I suppose Kaetus could always come back to haunt us somehow. But anyway, those are kind of also the reasons why I liked the way it played out and the whole moral ambiguity of Ryder's action/inaction. I wasn't expecting it. I was expecting them to start to fight and that Ryder would have to jump in and shoot one of them.
For Ryder's part, he/she doesn't really do anything at all, but lets events play out, and later gets credit for dealing with Sloane (as far as the Nexus is concerned). And yet Ryder has foreknowledge of what is most likely to happen, thanks to SAM pointing out the sniper. There's something really passive aggressive about that, and introduces some grey morality to Ryder. You can choose to just accept Reyes for who he is, without judging him or imposing a moral principle one way or the other, and that's kind of different from how Bioware often writes PCs. Other than asking why he didn't trust you, you're not even required to be angry about it. If that was the case, I would have loudly insisted on my right to pull off The Bard, aka Ok, go on, shoot each other for all I care, I'm going to get a drink at Kralla's. The sniper actually makes it kind of a no-brainer situation.. as well as one that can be solved. Not to mention it's an interesting twist. But I really think there should at least be an option to throw in some nasty sarcasm if you choose to let the sniper do his thing. That you go with it doesn't matter you necessarily wholeheartedly accept it. It may just be a momentary calculus you might not be happy about at all. Or simply a result of indecision/panic. (Just a little side note to Ryder taking sides based on Reyes' influence... I forgot to mention that it would be merely my personal case. It may not look like that at all in other takes on the situation. Still good they don't actually try to explain it in any way, as i guess there would be quite a range of reasons why anybody did what they did. One thing better than a good character? A good character that prompts an interesting discussion.) |
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Post by Sah291 on May 30, 2017 19:36:43 GMT
BloodOfShiagur, yeah that's kinda what I was trying to get at I think...there could be any number of reasons why Ryder does what Ryder does in that split second moment, and its mostly up to player interpretation. Maybe some Ryders hear sniper and they just react. Or they freeze. Maybe they are impressed by the reveal, or very angry. That's what makes it a good RP moment.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on May 30, 2017 21:46:22 GMT
Regarding the shuttle -- did that part of Kadara last night. I still haven't gotten around to a romance run with Reyes, but I am picking the odd flirt for my slacker goofball Ryder who is letting down her dad's legacy.
Anyway, I'm not exactly careful about driving the Nomad, and long story short, I rammed the shuttle at full speed. Oops. SORRY REYES IT WAS UGLY ANYWAY
The Kadara arch is actually my favorite part of the game, I think. It's interesting, the background's pretty, there's moral conflicts that seem subtle instead of ham-fisted... And Vivienne and Hawke fight! What more could you want?
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Post by morir_a_solas on May 31, 2017 4:23:40 GMT
Folks, am I the only one that keeps remembering the old Atton Rand concept art whenever I see Reyes? I know, I am dating myself here, but still... Personality wise as the shady guys, sure. The jacket and the hair are a bit similar, too. Imagine the quite hilarious start of the game in their underwear with Reyes, lol. Yeah, that shuttle was not pretty. But I have my suspicions.... The one outside the building in Zia's quest? Yes, it's just a standard inconspicuous one. I hope he has a more fancy one somewhere secret. I absolutely hope we will have new content about Reyes. Not only in DLCs, but in another game. Here's why: The conflict between Sloane and Reyes was one of the greatest points of the game. Although, I think that that especific scene, where you have to save her or not, isn't very well written. It's not very clear that what you will decide to do has an immediate consequence. I though that more things would happen, but there wasn't anything else. It was a short scene for a very important plot point. Said that, I saved Sloane 1) because the first thing I thought was "My Ryder couldn't ever let someone die with a shot in the back, 2) I thought Reyes was absolutely dishonrable because of that, 3) Reyes was not worth of taking the power like that from someone "who built everything". Even if I didn't like Sloane very much and absolutely loved Reyes as a character, neither he or she is the best example of a good person. My Ryder also romanced Reyes and I decided to let him go without shooting him [my four or five romance scenes with him were better than the entire romance with Liam btw]Well, it's very likely that Reyes will return somehow if you let him escape as I did because it's a good opportunity to see him as the anti-hero he is. For players who romanced him and saved Sloane it's a brilliant opportunity to talk about feelings, to see if he's still worth of being loved or "saved", if he wants to be saved, to see where he and the Collective stands, his ship or hub, etc. There are plenty opportunities to be explored in DLCs or in the next game for him and I hope that BioWare learns with its mistakes and use them to make more interesting content about the Collective itself Hahaha I like to live dangerously~ [I have to admit that I chose that on impulse but I was satisfied with my choice after all]But yes, I think it's an interesting point to love him and to exile him due Ryder's principles [like mine had]. This opens an incredible amount of opportunities in the future for dialogue conflicts. Who knows? At least I hope  Nah, it's fine, it's a viable way to play. I'll save Sloane once, too. Yes, the cave scene is short and you might not expect how it turns out but such is life. However they should have added a little conversation. Like, did he expect Sloane to come alone? Who did he think she would bring along? Agreed, their future relationship if you saved Sloane has potential to be interesting. It's a very grey scenario deciding who you allow to take over. If you do nothing, you kind of just let nature take its course. Did she deserve it in the first place, just because she repelled the kett? It was good she saved the city but that doesn't mean she can run it well. Is he a scumbag for having her assassinated like that? It is shady, as is his way, but also crafty in a way. Why did she not take care of the Collective before? It might not ever have come to that if she had taken steps in a timely manner. Who will be better in the long run? Sloane's results at running the Port are mixed. It's all so deliciously shady  Btw are they keeping their relationship a secret? (outside of their main circle anyway) I kind of got that vibe after the final mission with that kind of wink and blends into the crowd, and he's always trying to sneak off with her and all. Yup, looks like they keep it a secret as much as they can. The Nexus leadership know he's the Charlatan. They would probably not support it that Ryder is in a relationship with him. The other people in the AI might not like it either, the exile's reputation is not the best and they might think he has Ryder in his pocket. Not sure how much his fellow exiles would care, some really dislike the Nexus, but this could be used as leverage or they might likewise think he is in bed with the Initiative (well, in a way he is^^). This can also threaten his secret identity. I wonder if the one Outcast gossiped about the storage room incident or if anyone saw them on the rooftoop (the people you see with the flycam don't count I assume). Perhaps if the tensions between the groups cool down it wont' be such a "scandal" anymore but there will still be the Charlatan secret to consider.Edit:I just remembered that the Charlatan secret is blown if you dont' side with him (and he seems unconcerned about it at least in his mail to Ryder). And since games tend to merge paths, I have a suspicion this will happen anyway in the near future. I never thought of that but it makes sense, I always figured it wouldn't be a big deal since everyone just thought he was a random smuggler. But yeah the ppl who do know who he is would have the most issues with that relationship! |
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Post by SeranusGaming on May 31, 2017 14:53:31 GMT
I actually just got to the part of the game where you meet Reyes and thus far, I think he's one of my favorite characters of any BioWare game. His swagger is just so much fun.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 15:00:09 GMT
I actually just got to the part of the game where you meet Reyes and thus far, I think he's one of my favorite characters of any BioWare game. His swagger is just so much fun. Nice! The best advice I can give you, is to mix and match Kadara content with Eladeen's and the missions that crop up as you advance the main plot if you want to pursue the romance. Though it is a bit harder to pace on the first PT when you do not know how much you got left of Kadara and of the game's main mission. |
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Post by Zitrus on May 31, 2017 21:22:50 GMT
Regarding the shuttle -- did that part of Kadara last night. I still haven't gotten around to a romance run with Reyes, but I am picking the odd flirt for my slacker goofball Ryder who is letting down her dad's legacy. Anyway, I'm not exactly careful about driving the Nomad, and long story short, I rammed the shuttle at full speed. Oops. SORRY REYES IT WAS UGLY ANYWAY The Kadara arch is actually my favorite part of the game, I think. It's interesting, the background's pretty, there's moral conflicts that seem subtle instead of ham-fisted... And Vivienne and Hawke fight! What more could you want? Lol me too. I wanted to wait until the next patch. At least thanks to all the videos out there I know what I can look forward to. When I played the mission the first time I thought it belonged to Zia or the buyer and Ryder's/companions' clueless comments didn't help either. But, that thought didn't make much sense in hindsight. I love Kadara too. It's really nicely done. I just saw this tweet:
Let's just imagine it has something to do with MEA. I actually just got to the part of the game where you meet Reyes and thus far, I think he's one of my favorite characters of any BioWare game. His swagger is just so much fun. Have fun! Talk to him often or sometimes twice in a row, he has comments after/before certain missions. Can be easily missed. |
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Post by vana on May 31, 2017 22:02:40 GMT
Here I have a question about the romance with Reyes: I didn't find any entry about him in the codex so I cannot know the romance steps with him.
My Ryder is already in couple with Jaal (so serious relationship/had the intimate scene, etc) BUT I didn't do yet all the missions of Kadara, and now I'm doing them and I see that I can still flirt at every conversation with Reyes?
I even accidentally did the prompt action of kissing him for diversion at Sloane's party.
So I wonder if I went already too far, when is the romance locked with Reyes? because flirting once or twice just "for fun" is ok but I don't want it to get serious, because I don't want to have a bug with some double-romance or to break my romance with Jaal... (can it happen? I hope not)
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Post by Sah291 on May 31, 2017 22:50:12 GMT
vana, Reyes' lock in point should be obvious when you get to it, he won't ninja you, and you will have the opportunity to decline in the same scene. The lock in dialogue option is pretty clear, "I want you, only you".
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Post by vana on May 31, 2017 22:56:19 GMT
vana , Reyes' lock in point should be obvious when you get to it, he won't ninja you, and you will have the opportunity to decline in the same scene. The lock in dialogue option is pretty clear, "I want you, only you". Ok! I didn't get that option so I'm clear ^^ thanks for the information! I like Reyes very much, but maybe I'll do his full romance in another playthrough. |
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Post by orchid on Jun 1, 2017 11:24:44 GMT
The Nexus leadership know he's the Charlatan. Since my brain has mercifully forgotten most of the Ryder-Allison conversations - when and where was this brought up? Not to challenge what you say, but to check what I missed. I remember that the Nexus people know Ryder struck a deal with the Collective, but I can't recall anyone (outside the Tempest crew) mentioning Reyes specifically. It's bit of a pity if they do know, since I enjoyed the possibility of Ryder keeping all the strings in his/her hands, and not necessarily revealing anything except the barest necessities to their superiors. I mean, the Initiative could rightfully demand Ryder to write a full detailed report, but they're represented as incompetent and dumb, so they might not. On another topic, I wish we knew the percentages of how players chose between Reyes and Sloane. It was only after the Citadel that they revealed the ME3 figures, so we probably won't see anything for a long time. Reyes seems extremely popular on the Internet, but that might not reflect accurately what players on the whole choose (see: f!Shep popularity). People also love the interrupt button, which in this instance would favor Sloane. I have no idea how much those numbers would affect the writers' decisions. Hopefully there's already some projected arc for Reyes &co. that will be followed regardless in an event of sequel. |
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Post by Zitrus on Jun 1, 2017 11:52:28 GMT
Ryder tells Addison that Reyes is open to work with the AI (not exact quote but along those lines) if you talk to her after Kadara is resolved. It's also mentioned in his codex entry that he has been revealed as the Charlatan and that the Nexus don't know yet how they will deal with him as he is an unknown quantity.
Yes, I got the impression as well that he is popular but judging from the comments in various threads there are also enough people who dislike him or don't like his methods (the sniper is mostly the last straw).
I hope so, too. At least he is guaranteed to survive which almost guarantees he will show up again.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 12:24:41 GMT
vana , Reyes' lock in point should be obvious when you get to it, he won't ninja you, and you will have the opportunity to decline in the same scene. The lock in dialogue option is pretty clear, "I want you, only you". Aww, I sometimes I wish all Tempest romances were like Gil's, and did not know Ryder had a man on Kadara, lol. |
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Post by orchid on Jun 1, 2017 12:45:09 GMT
Ryder tells Addison that Reyes is open to work with the AI (not exact quote but along those lines) if you talk to her after Kadara is resolved. It's also mentioned in his codex entry that he has been revealed as the Charlatan and that the Nexus don't know yet how they will deal with him as he is an unknown quantity. Thanks! I just didn't remember Addison mentioning Reyes by name, it seems. If I were Reyes, I wouldn't trust my identity with her though. About the Codex entry though, that doesn't seem to be the case with my game. It only says that Reyes has revealed himself to "us", and by "us" I assume SAM means either Ryder, Ryder + SAM, or at most Ryder + his/her immediate squad. The public revelation where everyone knows him only happens if Sloane lives and exposes Reyes. |
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Post by Zitrus on Jun 1, 2017 13:11:16 GMT
Okay, I probably rembered the codex wrong. I'll check it when I'm home. But do you have this part about being unsure how to deal with him as well or is this just my memory playing a trick on me?
Yes, seriously, if the codex is not shared with everyone, just with the Tempest crew, it is kinda stupid of Ryder to mention it so openly. She doesn't even have an office, people can listen in.
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Post by Sah291 on Jun 1, 2017 13:30:19 GMT
vana , Reyes' lock in point should be obvious when you get to it, he won't ninja you, and you will have the opportunity to decline in the same scene. The lock in dialogue option is pretty clear, "I want you, only you". Aww, I sometimes I wish all Tempest romances were like Gil's, and did not know Ryder had a man on Kadara, lol. Haha, yeah, I have an impression though that's how things normally go for Reyes....he's keeping secrets, so eventually lovers would find out what he is really like, and that's just what he expects when Ryder finds out the truth. Stil, I see Ryder and Reyes' relationship as only in the very early stages where it leaves off, so I don't know if I see Ryder as completely serious about him yet, but potentially so. |
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Post by orchid on Jun 1, 2017 13:41:49 GMT
Okay, I probably rembered the codex wrong. I'll check it when I'm home. But do you have this part about being unsure how to deal with him as well or is this just my memory playing a trick on me? Yes, seriously, if the codex is not shared with everyone, just with the Tempest crew, it is kinda stupid of Ryder to mention it so openly. She doesn't even have an office, people can listen in. I had to open the game to check this and jeez had I forgot all about the load times! Anyway, I got the entry you meant - it was under Kadara (the lowest of these three excerpts, others are "Reyes Vidal" and "the Collective" respectively). The text might mean that Addison &co know the Charlatan is Reyes, but it might just be SAM phrasing the situation the clearest way to us, since there's obviously no need to obfuscate the Charlatan's identity for Ryder. My impression is that the Initiative leaders are trying to figure the Collective / the Charlatan out without necessarily knowing the truth, since the other two texts read like the secret is safe with "us". I think there's enough room for interpretation and personal RP here. I can definitely see different Ryders acting in various ways. Reyes would deffo want Ryder to keep silent, but Ryder might not bend to that.  edit: I'm pretty sure I'm thinking about these entries more than the devs did, lol. |
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Post by BloodOfShiagur on Jun 1, 2017 13:44:26 GMT
Yes, I got the impression as well that he is popular but judging from the comments in various threads there are also enough people who dislike him or don't like his methods (the sniper is mostly the last straw). I hope so, too. At least he is guaranteed to survive which almost guarantees he will show up again. I have yet to see a character that is universally liked (Garrus probably comes pretty close, but I've seem meh/dislike comments even about him...). But he is noted, and that counts in any case... (Seen a statistically significant number of people saying say "Who the hell is Reyes?") |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 13:47:47 GMT
Aww, I sometimes I wish all Tempest romances were like Gil's, and did not know Ryder had a man on Kadara, lol. Haha, yeah, I have an impression though that's how things normally go for Reyes....he's keeping secrets, so eventually lovers would find out what he is really like, and that's just what he expects when Ryder finds out the truth. Stil, I see Ryder and Reyes' relationship as only in the very early stages where it leaves off, so I don't know if I see Ryder as completely serious about him yet, but potentially so. I can come up with a score of very valid roleplaying reasons why it will be very in character for Ryder... but frankly, I just love the idea of being able to see a Tempest Romance #X AND still get all the Reyes content. 'Cause Reyes is this game's OTL, but as a player, I want to check other things out.
Gil + Reyes was way better than Jaal and no Reyes.
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Post by vana on Jun 1, 2017 16:03:03 GMT
I can come up with a score of very valid roleplaying reasons why it will be very in character for Ryder... but frankly, I just love the idea of being able to see a Tempest Romance #X AND still get all the Reyes content. 'Cause Reyes is this game's OTL, but as a player, I want to check other things out.
Gil + Reyes was way better than Jaal and no Reyes.
Well, Jaal's romance is the romantic/loyal kind of romance, I can't really imagine cheating on him. So I think that once commited to Jaal, we should not be able to fully romance Reyes (a lot of the romance options happen when your squad is with you anyway, imagine kissing/flirting with Reyes in front of your lover?  ) BUT the opposite should be possible, I think, as Reyes/Ryder do not seem especially officially "in couple", and maybe just "not serious", they should have made possible to romance Reyes before and THEN romance someone else. A friend romanced Reyes and then he was locked with him and he couldn't commit to anyone else after that Oh, and I chose to let Sloane die, of course. I don't understand how can some people like her? she is vulgar, is never kind or polite with Ryder, hates the Nexus... but I can understand that some people could feel betrayed by Reyes' true identity and decide to take some kind of revenge because they felt manipulated. |
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Post by Zitrus on Jun 1, 2017 16:08:36 GMT
Okay, I probably rembered the codex wrong. I'll check it when I'm home. But do you have this part about being unsure how to deal with him as well or is this just my memory playing a trick on me? Yes, seriously, if the codex is not shared with everyone, just with the Tempest crew, it is kinda stupid of Ryder to mention it so openly. She doesn't even have an office, people can listen in. I had to open the game to check this and jeez had I forgot all about the load times! Anyway, I got the entry you meant - it was under Kadara (the lowest of these three excerpts, others are "Reyes Vidal" and "the Collective" respectively). The text might mean that Addison &co know the Charlatan is Reyes, but it might just be SAM phrasing the situation the clearest way to us, since there's obviously no need to obfuscate the Charlatan's identity for Ryder. My impression is that the Initiative leaders are trying to figure the Collective / the Charlatan out without necessarily knowing the truth, since the other two texts read like the secret is safe with "us". I think there's enough room for interpretation and personal RP here. I can definitely see different Ryders acting in various ways. Reyes would deffo want Ryder to keep silent, but Ryder might not bend to that. edit: I'm pretty sure I'm thinking about these entries more than the devs did, lol. Oh great, thx. The last sentence (...Vidal is an unknown factor..) is was what made me believe they would know. And only known to "us" (Ryder, Tempest crew, SAM of course) makes much sense indeed. Somehow I was under the impression the codex is, in part (edit: definitely only partly, see below), shared with your bosses if applicable and "us" is ambiguous. Not to forget SAM's logs, not sure who has access to which parts and what exactly is logged. [edit: In my first version I mentioned that the whole codex is shared but when I thought about it again several hours later, this made no sense at all. Tann's ("forensic investigation") and Ellen's later entries alone refute that. I was a bit rusty on the personal content stuffed in there. So, partly shared it is.] I would prefer it as well if the Nexus leadership was not privy by default to the secret. Here is the conversation which shows she knows something and she is not surprised at all when his name is mentioned.     How does she know? Did they have an off-screen conversation about it? Did she read the codex (huh lol)? Did SAM tell her? The last sentence gives me hope she might keep it secret from Tann as long as the outpost is working out if my codex interpretation is wrong. Haha, I was thinking the same. I have yet to see a character that is universally liked (Garrus probably comes pretty close, but I've seem meh/dislike comments even about him...). But he is noted, and that counts in any case... (Seen a statistically significant number of people saying say "Who the hell is Reyes?") Touché  I guess if you only do the critical path you only have to see him once and could forget about him. But what an unfun way to play the game, imo. Haha, yeah, I have an impression though that's how things normally go for Reyes....he's keeping secrets, so eventually lovers would find out what he is really like, and that's just what he expects when Ryder finds out the truth. Stil, I see Ryder and Reyes' relationship as only in the very early stages where it leaves off, so I don't know if I see Ryder as completely serious about him yet, but potentially so. I can come up with a score of very valid roleplaying reasons why it will be very in character for Ryder... but frankly, I just love the idea of being able to see a Tempest Romance #X AND still get all the Reyes content. 'Cause Reyes is this game's OTL, but as a player, I want to check other things out.
Gil + Reyes was way better than Jaal and no Reyes.
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Post by Zitrus on Jun 1, 2017 16:24:58 GMT
Well, Jaal's romance is the romantic/loyal kind of romance, I can't really imagine cheating on him. So I think that once commited to Jaal, we should not be able to fully romance Reyes (a lot of the romance options happen when your squad is with you anyway, imagine kissing/flirting with Reyes in front of your lover? Yes, it's just a bug which allows that. I think Gil is the only one who still has it. I disagree. They seem pretty in love after everything is said and done on Kadara. And Ryder's dialogue options says "only you". They have their reasons to keep it a secret in public. Of course more content wouldn't have hurt. Different strokes for different folks. |
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Post by vana on Jun 1, 2017 16:38:20 GMT
Maybe it's because I just half-flirted with Reyes and didn't get the full romance (I've seen videos but when it's not your own Ryder it doesn't feel the same). They definitely should have had more content to that romance, I think this character deserves more.
So there is a bug and you can fully romance Gil AND Reyes at the same time?
I don't think that the fact of flirting and getting the "prompt action kiss" is uncompatible with having a romance with someone else, after all there was a guard coming and they didn't want to get caught, it can work as an excuse.
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