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Post by azarhal on Dec 6, 2016 18:51:45 GMT
If Bioware isn't forgetting to keep their ME site in shape then all Briefings, including the one we are talking about, are happening in 07/25/2184, which I might remind, is before Arrival. Arrival has no set date in the lore. It can happen early in ME2 (right after Horizon) if you take Hackett's request serious or after the main game if you don't think that saving Kenson is a priority. Just saying... Even if you can play it when you want, Arrival is the starting point of the "6 months before ME3" in the lore (as does LotSB might I add, Liara clearly referenced 6 months since the time she did a tour of the Normandy last night in my new ME3 playthrough) and we know ME3 start after September because of the Alliance News Network pre-release "news reports" ending in late September. In other word, Arrival happened in the first half of 2186. The Andromeda Initiative leaves in 2185 per the official website timeline.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 6, 2016 18:57:06 GMT
Arrival has no set date in the lore. It can happen early in ME2 (right after Horizon) if you take Hackett's request serious or after the main game if you don't think that saving Kenson is a priority. Just saying... But I believe they did confirm that the launch took place after all the events of ME2 (2185) and before the start of ME3 (2186) Basically, while Shepard was being kept locked up. Now we finally know what news was on that datapad Shepard tossed aside when Vega entered the scene. It was a story discussing just how far from home those adventurous Ai folks would be on that approximate day. I know everyone was always wondering what was on the datapad, right?
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Post by hsomcokesniper on Dec 6, 2016 19:33:41 GMT
As in earth's moon? Around ME2? Wut...
They didn't think this would be worth mentioning to alliance before they left? Since, you know, might prove useful and all that.
Gathering hydrogen from the matter density of intergalactic space in hopes of powering that behemoth. The physicist in me just died a little.
Honestly I think they should go as easy on the "scientific" explanations as possible and just start building the setting when we arrive in Andromeda.
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Post by traks on Dec 6, 2016 20:29:33 GMT
Arrival has no set date in the lore. It can happen early in ME2 (right after Horizon) if you take Hackett's request serious or after the main game if you don't think that saving Kenson is a priority. Just saying... But I believe they did confirm that the launch took place after all the events of ME2 (2185) and before the start of ME3 (2186) Basically, while Shepard was being kept locked up. You mean when Shepard doesn't free Kenson. Doesn't change that it is not happening at a canon time. That is just one possibility.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 6, 2016 20:34:46 GMT
But I believe they did confirm that the launch took place after all the events of ME2 (2185) and before the start of ME3 (2186) Basically, while Shepard was being kept locked up. You mean when Shepard doesn't free Kenson. Doesn't change that it is not happening at a canon time. That is just one possibility. Arrival happens no matter what. The question is whether Shepard was the one who did the mission or not. And Shepard is locked up (in 2185), either for working with Cerberus or for the Arrival events. That is also set.
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Post by chris2365 on Dec 6, 2016 20:39:07 GMT
Hey here's a question regarding the timeline and ME:Andromeda. During the gameplay trailer we see Ryder using the N7 Piranha, but how is that possible since we are told that the Arks left before ME 2 and the description for the gun in question specifically states that it was created during the Reaper war by the Alliance? EDIT: Here's the the description per the mass effect wiki. The N7 Piranha is an assault shotgun designed for the Reaper war. When the N7 program began training alien resistance forces, the lighter-bodied species wanted a low-recoil weapon with a wide pellet spread for dealing with hordes of husks. The result was the Piranha, which hit a sweet spot in close-range firepower. Its rapid-fire capability tears apart not only husks but most opponents unlucky enough to be in its way.Pffft. You weren't supposed to have read that. As wise Master Yoda once said, "You must unlearn what you have learned." Nice catch. I hope there are too many lore hiccups like this. I'll give them a pass on a few minor ones like weapons. Maybe you can also justify it another way though. At the very least, the Piranha must have at least been in the design phase by the time the Arks left. Weapons don't magically come from nothing in a few months. We could say that some weapon manufacturers gave the Andromeda Initiative access to their latest designs as a sign of goodwill, and then the AI engineers completed and produced those weapons upon arrival in Andromeda. That way, at least we can have the N7 weapons and other ME3 weapons in Andromeda.
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Post by traks on Dec 6, 2016 20:51:22 GMT
Maybe I should've clarified: I wasn't arguing that the briefings are happening after Arrival - which even for the last of them is not likely, because they are beginning in 2184, so clearly before Arrival - just that Arrival is a pretty bad reference point in the ME timeline, because it can happen at different times. Doesn't add much else to the discussion though, so sorry if pointing that out confused anyone.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 6, 2016 20:59:25 GMT
Maybe you can also justify it another way though. At the very least, the Piranha must have at least been in the design phase by the time the Arks left. Weapons don't magically come from nothing in a few months. We could say that some weapon manufacturers gave the Andromeda Initiative access to their latest designs as a sign of goodwill, and then the AI engineers completed and produced those weapons upon arrival in Andromeda. That way, at least we can have the N7 weapons and other ME3 weapons in Andromeda. That's very possible. Dad is an N7. So he may have access to early weapons testing for them. They decided to give him a few to take to Andromeda.
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Post by maxon on Dec 6, 2016 21:59:00 GMT
Honestly I think they should go as easy on the "scientific" explanations as possible and just start building the setting when we arrive in Andromeda. I know right - every time they say something I go '.....ok ....yeah. Um, nope'
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 0:56:34 GMT
I'm not gonna do anymore mental back handsprings over BioWare's lore screw ups. They're gonna put whatever was popular in the trilogy in ME:A even if it doesn't make any sense. We're just gonna have to distance ourselves from the trilogy and take ME:A for what it is.
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Post by goishen on Dec 7, 2016 1:25:26 GMT
Pffft. You weren't supposed to have read that. As wise Master Yoda once said, "You must unlearn what you have learned." Nice catch. I hope there are too many lore hiccups like this. I'll give them a pass on a few minor ones like weapons. Maybe you can also justify it another way though. At the very least, the Piranha must have at least been in the design phase by the time the Arks left. Weapons don't magically come from nothing in a few months. We could say that some weapon manufacturers gave the Andromeda Initiative access to their latest designs as a sign of goodwill, and then the AI engineers completed and produced those weapons upon arrival in Andromeda. That way, at least we can have the N7 weapons and other ME3 weapons in Andromeda. The way that I've justified it, as long as there are rednecks in the world to keep testing shit for them, the gun manufacturers will keep coming up with crazier and crazier shit.
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Post by Otter on Dec 7, 2016 1:30:29 GMT
I'm intentionally keeping the Reapers out of all of my theories. They could be an impetus behind the Ai, but I just don't know that the writers will go in that direction. If I were them, I'd try to avoid it. Whatever the true driving force is, I imagine we will learn well after arrival. Seconded. My working theory is that the Initiative was started without knowledge of the Reapers, but at some point in ME2, Hackett or TIM nudged its leadership and said "I can't tell you exactly why, but you're gonna want to pick up the pace."
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Post by colfoley on Dec 7, 2016 1:31:49 GMT
Granted I am not aware of the back story of every. single. weapon. in the trilogy, but as far as it goes the Valkyrie came into use shortly after the battle of the citadel. So, just because we didn't see/ use the weapon in the trilogy till ME 3 dosen't mean it wasn't in service.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 7, 2016 1:59:43 GMT
Granted I am not aware of the back story of every. single. weapon. in the trilogy, but as far as it goes the Valkyrie came into use shortly after the battle of the citadel. So, just because we didn't see/ use the weapon in the trilogy till ME 3 dosen't mean it wasn't in service. I liked the design of the Valkyrie. The lore said that it was to be the Alliances' eventual replacement for the Avenger series, and I thought, "Cool, cool". The specs made me say, "Meh". Then, the M7 Lancer rose from the ashes like a phoenix, and I pretty much forgot about the ole' Valkyrie before it even reached its second game.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 7, 2016 2:10:54 GMT
Granted I am not aware of the back story of every. single. weapon. in the trilogy, but as far as it goes the Valkyrie came into use shortly after the battle of the citadel. So, just because we didn't see/ use the weapon in the trilogy till ME 3 dosen't mean it wasn't in service. I liked the design of the Valkyrie. The lore said that it was to be the Alliances' eventual replacement for the Avenger series, and I thought, "Cool, cool". The specs made me say, "Meh". Then, the M7 Lancer rose from the ashes like a phoenix, and I pretty much forgot about the ole' Valkyrie before it even reached its second game. The only real problem with the Valk is its weight. Otherwise a pretty solid weapon which could tear apart its opposition.
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Post by xamufam on Dec 9, 2016 21:47:21 GMT
If Andromeda is around ME2 or whatever why aren't people using the ODSY Drive System in ME3 then, seems like it would be a useful thing you know? When you're fighting for the very survival of your own galaxy?
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Post by themikefest on Dec 9, 2016 21:56:04 GMT
If Andromeda is around ME2 or whatever why aren't people using the ODSY Drive System in ME3 then, seems like it would be a useful thing you know? When you're fighting for the very survival of your own galaxy? Can ask the same question about why Shepard isn't using a jetpack in ME3? ME3 has Cerberus using jetpacks. Maybe Cerberus got a hold of plans from the Andromeda project. Don't know.
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Post by Otter on Dec 9, 2016 22:09:21 GMT
If Andromeda is around ME2 or whatever why aren't people using the ODSY Drive System in ME3 then, seems like it would be a useful thing you know? When you're fighting for the very survival of your own galaxy? Not really. The ODSY's main advantages seem to be oriented to making it last longer without constant maintenance and not relying on established infrastructure. The Milky Way has plenty of travel infrastructure, in the form of the relays. Also, retrofitting your entire fleet with a new experimental engine is expensive and probably takes more than the six months between the games.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 9, 2016 22:23:42 GMT
If Andromeda is around ME2 or whatever why aren't people using the ODSY Drive System in ME3 then, seems like it would be a useful thing you know? When you're fighting for the very survival of your own galaxy? Maybe a handful of dreadnoughts were fitted with the ODSY drive? Clearly, it didn't help them at all. Shepard and the Crucible ended the Reaper War, not a handful of vessels that could travel for a long time between discharge. The real advantage of the ODSY Drive Core is in exploration, and wouldn't be evident until after the war. We won't be around to see what the Milkies do with it.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 9, 2016 23:09:36 GMT
Plus, it seems a lot of people in the MW galaxy are anti innovation to any extreme. You have people actively not encouraging exploration, doing scientific studies on the Keepers are illegal, and then you have that whole Rear Admiral Spiel in ME 1 where he was dissing the Tantalus Drive Core amongst other elements of the Normandy's design. In such a climate if anyone would have suggested using the ODSY drive for military purposes would have been laughed at and considered 'a waste of funding'.
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Post by helios969 on Dec 9, 2016 23:10:09 GMT
If Andromeda is around ME2 or whatever why aren't people using the ODSY Drive System in ME3 then, seems like it would be a useful thing you know? When you're fighting for the very survival of your own galaxy? Can ask the same question about why Shepard isn't using a jetpack in ME3? ME3 has Cerberus using jetpacks. Maybe Cerberus got a hold of plans from the Andromeda project. Don't know. Nah, this confirms Cerberus is behind the Andromeda Initiative. I know, let the wrist slashing commence.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 9, 2016 23:12:52 GMT
Nah, this confirms Cerberus is behind the Andromeda Initiative. I know, let the wrist slashing commence. I wouldn't complain if Cerberus is behind the project
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Post by xamufam on Dec 10, 2016 0:51:57 GMT
If Andromeda is around ME2 or whatever why aren't people using the ODSY Drive System in ME3 then, seems like it would be a useful thing you know? When you're fighting for the very survival of your own galaxy? Not really. The ODSY's main advantages seem to be oriented to making it last longer without constant maintenance and not relying on established infrastructure. The Milky Way has plenty of travel infrastructure, in the form of the relays. Also, retrofitting your entire fleet with a new experimental engine is expensive and probably takes more than the six months between the games. I find it very hard to believe that after going to all the trouble and expense of making this miraculous new drive system, the first and only thing they bother to put it on is some crazy, speculative venture into the void. One would have thought that every military in the Galaxy would have been climbing over each other to grab this tech and install it in their warships. What with it being a game changing technology that would provide a huge advantage over the previous generation of ships,
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 10, 2016 0:57:57 GMT
Not really. The ODSY's main advantages seem to be oriented to making it last longer without constant maintenance and not relying on established infrastructure. The Milky Way has plenty of travel infrastructure, in the form of the relays. Also, retrofitting your entire fleet with a new experimental engine is expensive and probably takes more than the six months between the games. I find it very hard to believe that after going to all the trouble and expense of making this miraculous new drive system, the first and only thing they bother to put it on is some crazy, speculative venture into the void. One would have thought that every military in the Galaxy would have been climbing over each other to grab this tech and install it in their warships. What with it being a game changing technology that would provide a huge advantage over the previous generation of ships,
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 10, 2016 1:01:20 GMT
Not really. The ODSY's main advantages seem to be oriented to making it last longer without constant maintenance and not relying on established infrastructure. The Milky Way has plenty of travel infrastructure, in the form of the relays. Also, retrofitting your entire fleet with a new experimental engine is expensive and probably takes more than the six months between the games. I find it very hard to believe that after going to all the trouble and expense of making this miraculous new drive system, the first and only thing they bother to put it on is some crazy, speculative venture into the void. One would have thought that every military in the Galaxy would have been climbing over each other to grab this tech and install it in their warships. What with it being a game changing technology that would provide a huge advantage over the previous generation of ships, It still depends on the cost. As well, we don't know if the OSDY drive core can be used on every ship, or only in the Arks/Nexus because of their size (only the Ascension is supposed to be around the Ark's size, the other dreadnought are smaller).
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