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Post by Catilina on Dec 19, 2016 19:40:22 GMT
Anders did not helped anyone with his actions and his cause isn't right either,as total freedom for mages without any restrictions doesn't make sense to me. Bashing Loghain with the slavery argument as a sort of counter point to prove that Anders is "better" doesn't make sense to me as Anders himself is the first one that supported it for Fenris. To you... What restrictions? Need education, need registration and need effective police. Not lifetime inprisonment/slavery without any privacy. And here we go again... To first Hawke need to give back Fenris to Danarius. And Anders' reaction tipical out of character, but okay, suppose, that Anders happy to back Fenris to Danarius. In this case Anders not support the slavery, he happy, that Fenris go away. This is sad, and realy wrong thing, but not support of the slavery. (Fenris also happy, when in the Fade Justice turn against Hawke, and Hawke forced to kill Anders, or to tranquilising Anders. But for it, Hawke need to deal with a demon. So: Fenris support the deal with demons, if he see some good goal? Out of character.) Why people think, that Loghain is better than Anders, or SAME as Anders? This is weird. Loghain was a regent. He had many tools to help his homeland, but he choosed wrong and abused his power. Not once. Anders don't have tools, and in Kirkwall the peaceful solution did not exist.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 4:39:17 GMT
Morrigan. Just a couple of hours in her company, and I hope that there is a subplot involving her death.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 20, 2016 4:47:21 GMT
Morrigan. Just a couple of hours in her company, and I hope that there is a subplot involving her death. Do not judge so quickly. You have time at the end. Morrigan is good character. I like her. (True, I like all...)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 5:08:59 GMT
Morrigan. Just a couple of hours in her company, and I hope that there is a subplot involving her death. Do not judge so quickly. You have time at the end. Morrigan is good character. I like her. (True, I like all...) No amount of a sappy backstory or whatever she has about how she'd suffered or how she really cares and it's all just a facade for a very vulnerable, blah-blah-blah... no, there is nothing going to make her any more palatable, just more irritating.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 20, 2016 5:27:05 GMT
Do not judge so quickly. You have time at the end. Morrigan is good character. I like her. (True, I like all...) No amount of a sappy backstory or whatever she has about how she'd suffered or how she really cares and it's all just a facade for a very vulnerable, blah-blah-blah... no, there is nothing going to make her any more palatable, just more irritating. I like Morrigan not because her backstory. And she is not vulnerable. She's a survivor, daughter of the Witch of the Wild, a really "practical" (cruel?). Yes. Many people dislike her, so: you are not alone. I just found her fun.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 11:43:41 GMT
No amount of a sappy backstory or whatever she has about how she'd suffered or how she really cares and it's all just a facade for a very vulnerable, blah-blah-blah... no, there is nothing going to make her any more palatable, just more irritating. I like Morrigan not because her backstory. And she is not vulnerable. She's a survivor, daughter of the Witch of the Wild, a really "practical" (cruel?). Yes. Many people dislike her, so: you are not alone. I just found her fun. She told me to kill literally every person we have met so far, from a highborn lord to a lowly peasant, with the exception of a profiteering scumbag, whom she'd liked. And she hates even her mother. She hates Alister. She hates my character. So, yeah, I think she is better off alone in the wilds where I don't have to listen to her mean and petty bile-filled nonsense.
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Post by Domakir on Dec 20, 2016 12:14:24 GMT
I like Morrigan not because her backstory. And she is not vulnerable. She's a survivor, daughter of the Witch of the Wild, a really "practical" (cruel?). Yes. Many people dislike her, so: you are not alone. I just found her fun. And she hates even her mother It would be weird if she doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 12:19:26 GMT
And she hates even her mother It would be weird if she doesn't. Her mother was nothing but helpful, and she called Morrigan the dearest thing she has or something, etc. I don't care what the rest pf the plot reveals of her, but as far as I am concerned, I'd rather had Flemeth with me than the little Miss Hate-it-all. Walking around with those sagging breasts and half-naked does not make a character appealing to me. Anyway, I now have successfully got rid of her, so good riddance, hopefully I get to kill her later on.
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Post by Domakir on Dec 20, 2016 12:27:02 GMT
It would be weird if she doesn't. Her mother was nothing but helpful, and she called Morrigan the dearest thing she has or something, etc. I don't care what the rest pf the plot reveals of her, but as far as I am concerned, I'd rather had Flemeth with me than the little Miss Hate-it-all. Walking around with those sagging breasts and half-naked does not make a character appealing to me. Anyway, I now have successfully got rid of her, so good riddance, hopefully I get to kill her later on. Then I hope you enjoy it.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 20, 2016 12:43:12 GMT
I like Morrigan not because her backstory. And she is not vulnerable. She's a survivor, daughter of the Witch of the Wild, a really "practical" (cruel?). Yes. Many people dislike her, so: you are not alone. I just found her fun. She told me to kill literally every person we have met so far, from a highborn lord to a lowly peasant, with the exception of a profiteering scumbag, whom she'd liked. And she hates even her mother. She hates Alister. She hates my character. So, yeah, I think she is better off alone in the wilds where I don't have to listen to her mean and petty bile-filled nonsense. Haha, yes, this is easy with her. She have reason to distrust her mother. She hates Alistair, because she find him weak, unsure, when he is the senior Warden, and the world need someone, who can help. She think, that Alistair unsuitable for it (to be honest: Alistair do not seems too confident). I said: she is a survivor, yes, alone in the wild, against everything. No socialisation, no patience and emotions – she have not learned these things. She liked all my characters finally (100%) – at beginning not really. It was easy with high persuasion and some gifts, but finally worth it – to me. Probably your opinion will not change.
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Post by secretrare on Dec 20, 2016 13:57:55 GMT
Morrigan. Just a couple of hours in her company, and I hope that there is a subplot involving her death. When you are saying something negative on her,there is always someone that try to point out how you're wrong or have been miscalculating her " complexity" There is no miscalculation,her wanting to kill everything and everyone in DAO that she saw as inferior (Dalish elves,city elves,mages,enslaving the Dwarves and even try to save that monster of Urthemiel by using a child as a tool) make me despise her character like no one else in video game history.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 14:23:39 GMT
She told me to kill literally every person we have met so far, from a highborn lord to a lowly peasant, with the exception of a profiteering scumbag, whom she'd liked. And she hates even her mother. She hates Alister. She hates my character. So, yeah, I think she is better off alone in the wilds where I don't have to listen to her mean and petty bile-filled nonsense. Haha, yes, this is easy with her. She have reason to distrust her mother. She hates Alistair, because she find him weak, unsure, when he is the senior Warden, and the world need someone, who can help. She think, that Alistair unsuitable for it (to be honest: Alistair do not seems too confident). I said: she is a survivor, yes, alone in the wild, against everything. No socialisation, no patience and emotions – she have not learned these things. She liked all my characters finally (100%) – at beginning not really. It was easy with high persuasion and some gifts, but finally worth it – to me. Probably your opinion will not change. She was never alone, she had her powerful mother to protect and teach her, and instead of gratitude she turned really obnoxious. Embitterment, seeing only flaws in others, begrudging mercy and generosity, petulance, pettiness and resolving every problem with the "Off with their heads!" is not really a sign of strength for me. Actually, yes, that's what she reminds me of a lot, the Red Queen from Alice in Wonderland.
She did not even like a dog, a nice friendly dog, that was wagging its tail and wanted nothing but to help, and looked pretty darn powerful. Seriously. She is that hateful of literally every living creature, and wants to destroy it. I dunno why on earth she is fighting against the Blight. She belongs with it.
Alistair is capable of introspection, self-criticism and a light demeanor, as well as empathy, so I am finding him by far the stronger of the two.
Anyway, she's gone, so yay for me. Next time I see her, it's better be on the other side of my mage's staff (or, alternatively, never, but I doubt I am that lucky).
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Post by oyabun on Dec 20, 2016 14:53:04 GMT
I like Morrigan not because her backstory. And she is not vulnerable. She's a survivor, daughter of the Witch of the Wild, a really "practical" (cruel?). Yes. Many people dislike her, so: you are not alone. I just found her fun. She told me to kill literally every person we have met so far, from a highborn lord to a lowly peasant, with the exception of a profiteering scumbag, whom she'd liked. And she hates even her mother. She hates Alister. She hates my character. So, yeah, I think she is better off alone in the wilds where I don't have to listen to her mean and petty bile-filled nonsense. Are you referring to the merchant in Lothering? Because if that is the case she actually enjoys for that "scumbag" to be killed which means she doesn't like anything not even that person.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 14:56:29 GMT
She told me to kill literally every person we have met so far, from a highborn lord to a lowly peasant, with the exception of a profiteering scumbag, whom she'd liked. And she hates even her mother. She hates Alister. She hates my character. So, yeah, I think she is better off alone in the wilds where I don't have to listen to her mean and petty bile-filled nonsense. Are you referring to the merchant in Lothering? Because if that is the case she actually enjoys for that "scumbag" to be killed which means she doesn't like anything not even that person. Oh, good. I assumed since she was calling for killing the "cretins", aka the starving peasants and the distraught priestess that she was siding with the profiteer. I guess, she is an unbiased, equal-opportunity mass-murderess. Off with their heads! As I said, her place is with the Blight Hordes, there she might be happy... or miserable enough for her liking.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 20, 2016 14:58:50 GMT
Haha, yes, this is easy with her. She have reason to distrust her mother. She hates Alistair, because she find him weak, unsure, when he is the senior Warden, and the world need someone, who can help. She think, that Alistair unsuitable for it (to be honest: Alistair do not seems too confident). I said: she is a survivor, yes, alone in the wild, against everything. No socialisation, no patience and emotions – she have not learned these things. She liked all my characters finally (100%) – at beginning not really. It was easy with high persuasion and some gifts, but finally worth it – to me. Probably your opinion will not change. Embitterment, seeing only flaws in others, begrudging mercy and generosity, petulance, pettiness and resolving every problem with the "Off with their heads!" is not really a sign of strength for me. Actually, yes, that's what she reminds me of a lot, the Red Queen from Alice in Wonderland. Alistair is capable of introspection, self-criticism and a light demeanor, as well as empathy, so I am finding him by far the stronger of the two. Anyway, she's gone, so yay for me. I said that Alistair weak? I said: Morrigan think, that Alistair weak. Yes, the mercy and generosity is noble traits, and not the sign of the weakness. But Morrigan never experienced them. Alistair shows uncertainty. I like him, but sometime, really not so strong-minded. The self-criticism, the light demeanor and the empathy with uncertainty, as I see not really sign of the strength. Alistair a good boy, and have some potency. He's not weak, he's courageous, but at the beginning he's not even a "strong man". I think, Morrigan expect this strength, at least, to show strength. She learned that should not to show weakness because it makes it vulnerable. I can understand this. I think, it was not a good idea to kick her, but it can be an interesting way. I've never tried. I'm curious.
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Post by oyabun on Dec 20, 2016 15:00:24 GMT
Haha, yes, this is easy with her. She have reason to distrust her mother. She hates Alistair, because she find him weak, unsure, when he is the senior Warden, and the world need someone, who can help. She think, that Alistair unsuitable for it (to be honest: Alistair do not seems too confident). I said: she is a survivor, yes, alone in the wild, against everything. No socialisation, no patience and emotions – she have not learned these things. She liked all my characters finally (100%) – at beginning not really. It was easy with high persuasion and some gifts, but finally worth it – to me. Probably your opinion will not change. I dunno why on earth she is fighting against the Blight. She belongs with it.
Ahhahahahahah.Quote me when you have finished the game.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 15:05:16 GMT
Embitterment, seeing only flaws in others, begrudging mercy and generosity, petulance, pettiness and resolving every problem with the "Off with their heads!" is not really a sign of strength for me. Actually, yes, that's what she reminds me of a lot, the Red Queen from Alice in Wonderland. Alistair is capable of introspection, self-criticism and a light demeanor, as well as empathy, so I am finding him by far the stronger of the two. Anyway, she's gone, so yay for me. I said that Alistair weak? I said: Morrigan think, that Alistair weak. Yes, the mercy and generosity is noble traits, and not the sign of the weakness. But Morrigan never experienced them. Alistair shows uncertainty. I like him, but sometime, really not so strong-minded. The self-criticism, the light demeanor and the empathy with uncertainty, as I see not really sign of the strength. Alistair a good boy, and have some potency. He's not weak, he's courageous, but at the beginning he's not even a "strong man". I think, Morrigan expect this strength, at least, to show strength. She learned that should not to show weakness because it makes it vulnerable. I can understand this. I think, it was not a good idea to kick her, but it can be an interesting way. I've never tried. I'm curious. I always see the ability to acknowledge one's mistakes and the ability to move on, and start planning after a complete disaster as a sign of strength. If Alistair was to take charge, the game will become an Action RPG where you played as Alistair the Bastard. DA:O does not say what it is about the PC that makes her/him a natural leader, but for me it is good enough that she is a Mage, and I feel by far more confident with Alistair and Leliana as party members than with the Off-With-Their-Heads companion, no matter how plot important she is. I am sure they cut-scene her participation in as needed later on.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 20, 2016 15:06:57 GMT
Haha, yes, this is easy with her. She have reason to distrust her mother. She hates Alistair, because she find him weak, unsure, when he is the senior Warden, and the world need someone, who can help. She think, that Alistair unsuitable for it (to be honest: Alistair do not seems too confident). I said: she is a survivor, yes, alone in the wild, against everything. No socialisation, no patience and emotions – she have not learned these things. She liked all my characters finally (100%) – at beginning not really. It was easy with high persuasion and some gifts, but finally worth it – to me. Probably your opinion will not change. She was never alone, she had her powerful mother to protect and teach her, and instead of gratitude she turned really obnoxious. Embitterment, seeing only flaws in others, begrudging mercy and generosity, petulance, pettiness and resolving every problem with the "Off with their heads!" is not really a sign of strength for me. Actually, yes, that's what she reminds me of a lot, the Red Queen from Alice in Wonderland. She did not even like a dog, a nice friendly dog, that was wagging its tail and wanted nothing but to help, and looked pretty darn powerful. Seriously. She is that hateful of literally every living creature, and wants to destroy it. I dunno why on earth she is fighting against the Blight. She belongs with it.
Alistair is capable of introspection, self-criticism and a light demeanor, as well as empathy, so I am finding him by far the stronger of the two.
Anyway, she's gone, so yay for me. Next time I see her, it's better be on the other side of my mage's staff (or, alternatively, never, but I doubt I am that lucky).
She was alone. (At least she felt that.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 15:18:42 GMT
She was never alone, she had her powerful mother to protect and teach her, and instead of gratitude she turned really obnoxious. Embitterment, seeing only flaws in others, begrudging mercy and generosity, petulance, pettiness and resolving every problem with the "Off with their heads!" is not really a sign of strength for me. Actually, yes, that's what she reminds me of a lot, the Red Queen from Alice in Wonderland. She did not even like a dog, a nice friendly dog, that was wagging its tail and wanted nothing but to help, and looked pretty darn powerful. Seriously. She is that hateful of literally every living creature, and wants to destroy it. I dunno why on earth she is fighting against the Blight. She belongs with it.
Alistair is capable of introspection, self-criticism and a light demeanor, as well as empathy, so I am finding him by far the stronger of the two.
Anyway, she's gone, so yay for me. Next time I see her, it's better be on the other side of my mage's staff (or, alternatively, never, but I doubt I am that lucky).
She was alone. (At least she felt that.) And she will always be, with her defining character threat being a penchant for killing everything that comes within a shooting distance.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 20, 2016 15:28:13 GMT
I said that Alistair weak? I said: Morrigan think, that Alistair weak. Yes, the mercy and generosity is noble traits, and not the sign of the weakness. But Morrigan never experienced them. Alistair shows uncertainty. I like him, but sometime, really not so strong-minded. The self-criticism, the light demeanor and the empathy with uncertainty, as I see not really sign of the strength. Alistair a good boy, and have some potency. He's not weak, he's courageous, but at the beginning he's not even a "strong man". I think, Morrigan expect this strength, at least, to show strength. She learned that should not to show weakness because it makes it vulnerable. I can understand this. I think, it was not a good idea to kick her, but it can be an interesting way. I've never tried. I'm curious. I always see the ability to acknowledge one's mistakes and the ability to move on, and start planning after a complete disaster as a sign of strength. If Alistair was to take charge, the game will become an Action RPG where you played as Alistair the Bastard. DA:O does not say what it is about the PC that makes her/him a natural leader, but for me it is good enough that she is a Mage, and I feel by far more confident with Alistair and Leliana as party members than with the Off-With-Their-Heads companion, no matter how plot important she is. I am sure they cut-scene her participation in as needed later on. I am not explained well. Anyway, irrelevant. Morrigan's point of view show uncertainty is a sign of weakness. And yes, Alistair know his flaws, and this is really good trait, and his ability to admit his flaws is brave, also positive. He is more strong that he shows at the beginning. And he can be really weak (meta knowledge). He more sympathetic, than Morrigan, and you're right, he don't need to be leader at the moment, but he is a Warden, a soldier. He must be firm and/or able to show decisiveness and strength, it is also an aspect. He able for it. But not at the beginning. This is what annoy Morrigan.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 20, 2016 15:35:06 GMT
She was alone. (At least she felt that.) And she will always be, with her defining character threat being a penchant for killing everything that comes within a shooting distance. Yes. And she know that. I don't think that the "penchant for killing" is the right wording, rather "consider necessary to killing". No she's not right in this issue, of course, but this is what she experienced.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 15:46:21 GMT
I always see the ability to acknowledge one's mistakes and the ability to move on, and start planning after a complete disaster as a sign of strength. If Alistair was to take charge, the game will become an Action RPG where you played as Alistair the Bastard. DA:O does not say what it is about the PC that makes her/him a natural leader, but for me it is good enough that she is a Mage, and I feel by far more confident with Alistair and Leliana as party members than with the Off-With-Their-Heads companion, no matter how plot important she is. I am sure they cut-scene her participation in as needed later on. I am not explained well. Anyway, irrelevant. Morrigan's point of view show uncertainty is a sign of weakness. And yes, Alistair know his flaws, and this is really good trait, and his ability to admit his flaws is brave, also positive. He is more strong that he shows at the beginning. And he can be really weak (meta knowledge). He more sympathetic, than Morrigan, and you're right, he don't need to be leader at the moment, but he is a Warden, a soldier. He must be firm and/or able to show decisiveness and strength, it is also an aspect. He able for it. But not at the beginning. This is what annoy Morrigan. he is absolutely capable of it right from the start. He immediately offers me as the commander the options (and good options, unlike Morrigan). He doesn't hesitate, he considers, instead of charging in blindly, which is a sign of being mentally limited. He is not paralyzed by hesitation or his feelings or his past (unlike Morrigan), he moves on, always moves on and starts acting. Morrigan is not in a hurry to contest the leadership position herself, because her mom told her to go along, not lead the party, so she is in the same position as Alistair defaulting the command to the PC. So, pot, kettle, black....
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Post by Prince on Dec 20, 2016 15:54:19 GMT
After the first playthrough Morrigan became too difficult to bear for me,the first time it can be done because is the first time(still difficult for me) after that it's goodbye at Lothering,i didn't bought a game to intoxicate myself. Everything within the group is by far more serene without her.No more hateful discussions and banters between her the rest of the cast and the others npcs.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 20, 2016 15:58:44 GMT
I am not explained well. Anyway, irrelevant. Morrigan's point of view show uncertainty is a sign of weakness. And yes, Alistair know his flaws, and this is really good trait, and his ability to admit his flaws is brave, also positive. He is more strong that he shows at the beginning. And he can be really weak (meta knowledge). He more sympathetic, than Morrigan, and you're right, he don't need to be leader at the moment, but he is a Warden, a soldier. He must be firm and/or able to show decisiveness and strength, it is also an aspect. He able for it. But not at the beginning. This is what annoy Morrigan. he is absolutely capable of it right from the start. He immediately offers me as the commander the options. He doesn't hesitate, he considers, instead of charging in blindly. Morrigan is not in a hurry to contest the leadership position herself, because her mom told her to go along, not lead the party, so she is in the same position as Alistair defaulting the command to the PC. So, pot, kettle, black.... Charging blindly isn't wise, rather stupidity, but showing hesitation in sharp position also not good. Alistair prone to this, despite yes, he probably capable to lead, but he don't think that. Morrigan not a senior warden, Alistair is.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 16:39:13 GMT
he is absolutely capable of it right from the start. He immediately offers me as the commander the options. He doesn't hesitate, he considers, instead of charging in blindly. Morrigan is not in a hurry to contest the leadership position herself, because her mom told her to go along, not lead the party, so she is in the same position as Alistair defaulting the command to the PC. So, pot, kettle, black.... Charging blindly isn't wise, rather stupidity, but showing hesitation in sharp position also not good. Alistair prone to this, despite yes, he probably capable to lead, but he don't think that. Morrigan not a senior warden, Alistair is. The person can be strong and lack the leadership skill. So far I have seen no unwarranted hesitation from Alistair; he deals. Morrigan does not belong to the Grey Wardens, so she is not constricted by the oath and the organization's hierarchy at all. She told me it is a stupid question to ask her why she is staying. The answer is that she is obeying her mother. She choses to submit to the other mage in the party (my character), just like Alistair instead of contesting that she is the most powerful, and we all should just do what she thinks is the right thing to do (assassinate Loghain). So, she does exactly the same thing as Alistair, sensing whatever it is that makes the PC the natural leader in the game, I guess, my character's raw charisma or her uber-magic powers and Morrigan deffers to the PC just like Alistair. Morrigan's pecking on Alistair for exactly the same thing she does is petty, and a sign of weakness. Morrigan expects the PC to join in the bullying too, instead of doing what must be done, and not play petty rivalry games. Which Alistair is strong enough not to. He is not acting like a small despot and pulling the rank. Good on him.
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