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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 3:06:39 GMT
Okay, I finished the game, and the only companion I hated was Morrigan, so I am keeping my vote as is. Kicking her from the game as early as possible was the best thing I did. The rest of the banters was pretty nice, funny, etc. Some comps did drop approval once in a while, but nobody was as toxic and completely crazy as Morrigan. Alistair gets my props as the least one dimensional character, and I'd have picked Sten as my love interest if allowed to. Alistair' romance was nice until the soap opera in the end of the game, and all the pimping the warden was doing with him, and Zevran was too much tongue-in-cheek. I didn't realize Morrigan came back for the DR if you kicked her out. And the dialog is the same I guess - tis odd. So would have refused her too if she wasn't in the group. The dialogue had a few extra options, like asking how she made it into the castle - she tells you that people don't pay attention to animals, and she told me that she followed me b/c it's why her mother placed her with the group with that very purpose, heh, if her sole purpose was to seduce Alistair she was not trying at all....
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Post by Norstaera on Jan 7, 2017 15:53:14 GMT
Well, to be fair, when they meet in the K.Wilds there were more than 2 Wardens. If you remember, she didn't plan on leaving the Wilds in their company, that was her mother's idea. Obviously, Flemeth had been training her and they must have discussed the possibility at some point. I always felt Flemeth's words were an oblique reminder to Morrigan. By that time, the tone of the relationship with Alistair had been pretty much set - antagonism and disrespect.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 16:37:35 GMT
Well, to be fair, when they meet in the K.Wilds there were more than 2 Wardens. If you remember, she didn't plan on leaving the Wilds in their company, that was her mother's idea. Obviously, Flemeth had been training her and they must have discussed the possibility at some point. I always felt Flemeth's words were an oblique reminder to Morrigan. By that time, the tone of the relationship with Alistair had been pretty much set - antagonism and disrespect. By the time you flee the Wilds, I think it was made pretty clear it's just the PC and Alistair. But she is mean to Alistair, literally the only man on Earth that can attend to her needs. I doubt she ever changes her tune either.
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Post by JayKay on Jan 9, 2017 7:23:45 GMT
Story time!
So the first time I went through the game fully, I took Zeveran with me for the cave of warewolves or whatever they were called. I had just recently gotten him and was curious to see what he could do. It goes pretty decently until about the second or third time that I had him try to pick open a lock only for "insufficient skill." After a while I was just stopped trying. All those alluring chests that could have been mine if I had brought my Boo Leliana.
Factor that with a personality that just felt bland and, well, that makes him my least favorite DAO companion. I mean, I might not like a lot of them in certain instances, but at least they were interesting and memorable.
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Story time! So the first time I went through the game fully, I took Zeveran with me for the cave of warewolves or whatever they were called. I had just recently gotten him and was curious to see what he could do. It goes pretty decently until about the second or third time that I had him try to pick open a lock only for "insufficient skill." After a while I was just stopped trying. All those alluring chests that could have been mine if I had brought my Boo Leliana. Factor that with a personality that just felt bland and, well, that makes him my least favorite DAO companion. I mean, I might not like a lot of them in certain instances, but at least they were interesting and memorable. His stats distribution at start was frustrating, particularly as a melee rogue, that is meant to scout ahead, remove the traps (that is linked in the same skill as lockpicking), and then quickly disable and assassinate the enemy caster. Once I was able to build him that way, it was great, but until then, yes, I was grinding my teeth all the time. I tried Leliana at some point later in the game, and it was harder to manage, because, yes, I could position her behind the enemy lines, but she could not hold her own in melee the way Zevran did. On another hand, it was not till the very end of the game that Zevran got any points in archery, and switching between the modes was never clever on AI. Overall, rogues are really cool, it just takes a lot of levels to achieve the build you wish.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Jan 11, 2017 6:20:50 GMT
That's the only good thing Morrigan did in DAO,which was not seducing Alistair. ... just imagine,all the efforts to do it only to see him executed by me at the Landsmeet Ah ah! that would have been amusing. But she tries to seduce the male warden and is even more funny to see her reaction during the romance after her failure at using them for the ritual,she is so angry that she spouts gibberish insults and nosense all over the room.
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That's the only good thing Morrigan did in DAO,which was not seducing Alistair. ... just imagine,all the efforts to do it only to see him executed by me at the Landsmeet Ah ah! that would have been amusing. But she tries to seduce the male warden and is even more funny to see her reaction during the romance after her failure at using them for the ritual,she is so angry that she spouts gibberish insults and nosense all over the room. As long as she is pregnant when the archedemon is slain, she's golden. The father of the child does not have to do the slaying, just the impregnating. It is also not stated how developed a fetus/baby have to be to survive the taint-load and for her not to miscarry/stillbirth. Though getting pregnant too early lives her on a tight deadline. She can also presumably gain access to the Warden's stash of the blood, and force potential lovers to drink it, then mate with the survivors. Claiming it's aphrodisiac or something. She does have options, I suppose, but, still, not being nicer to Alistair is pretty dumb.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Jan 14, 2017 16:03:36 GMT
Story time! So the first time I went through the game fully, I took Zeveran with me for the cave of warewolves or whatever they were called. I had just recently gotten him and was curious to see what he could do. It goes pretty decently until about the second or third time that I had him try to pick open a lock only for "insufficient skill." After a while I was just stopped trying. All those alluring chests that could have been mine if I had brought my Boo Leliana. Factor that with a personality that just felt bland and, well, that makes him my least favorite DAO companion. I mean, I might not like a lot of them in certain instances, but at least they were interesting and memorable. I love Zevran in every way and he went everywhere with me and once I knew about his lousy lockpicking (until I beefed that skill up) that was just another funny thing about him. Poor Leliana rarely got used because of my fondness for Zevran. But it certainly helped that I played rogue a lot since I could then do my own lockpicking.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Jan 14, 2017 16:13:21 GMT
I've learned to appreciate Leliana and Wynne as characters, but for a long time I just couldn't stand them. Especially Leliana. I think it was the combination of talking about the Maker all the time, that voice, and never really knowing what was going on with her morality. I still don't know in DAI.And I think Loghain is generally a dick - selling your own people into slavery... to save your people?? - but also a well-written, nuanced character.Wynne was always ok with me but Leliana had to grow on me too. But throughout all three games, Leliana has always scared me because I think she's wacko crazy, poor thing. I always pretty much tiptoe around her while still making her the Divine in all my DAI. As much as I hate Loghain and always kill him at the Landsmeet, I agree that that he is a well written, nuanced character. He really made the game better for me (esp after reading the books and seeing that he always had such strong beliefs that he had good reasons to do what he does).
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Post by Prince on Jan 17, 2017 13:55:12 GMT
That's the only good thing Morrigan did in DAO,which was not seducing Alistair. ... just imagine,all the efforts to do it only to see him executed by me at the Landsmeet Ah ah! that would have been amusing. But she tries to seduce the male warden and is even more funny to see her reaction during the romance after her failure at using them for the ritual,she is so angry that she spouts gibberish insults and nosense all over the room. She can also presumably gain access to the Warden's stash of the blood, and force potential lovers to drink it, then mate with the survivors. Claiming it's aphrodisiac or something. She does have options, I suppose, but, still, not being nicer to Alistair is pretty dumb. Where are you getting this from?The game(and even Gaider in an old interview) points out that she never had such options,and that's assuming she knows how to do the joining...which we have no reason to believe is true.
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She can also presumably gain access to the Warden's stash of the blood, and force potential lovers to drink it, then mate with the survivors. Claiming it's aphrodisiac or something. She does have options, I suppose, but, still, not being nicer to Alistair is pretty dumb. Where are you getting this from? The game(and even Gaider in an old interview) points out that she never had such options. Theoretically, it is possible, no? As long as she conceives a baby from a man who drank the blood of the archdeamon, and is present during the slaying of the archedemon, the embrio absorbs the evil aura, and her child is imbued with the desired magic properties once s/he is born? That's how I understood the scenario. In my game, she conceived from Alistair, was not in the party, but neither warden, nor Alistair died, and Morrigan was travelling pregnant in the Epilogue. If Alistair served, so could have any other man that survived the drinking of the blood? Why not?
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Post by Prince on Jan 17, 2017 14:19:07 GMT
Where are you getting this from? The game(and even Gaider in an old interview) points out that she never had such options. Theoretically, it is possible, no? As long as she conceives a baby from a man who drank the blood of the archdeamon, and is present during the slaying of the archedemon, the embrio absorbs the evil aura, and her child is imbued with the desired magic properties once s/he is born? That's how I understood the scenario. She can't do that if she is rejected,Morrigan has no means to create or use others GW,not to mention that i disagree with the notion that the Dark ritual is just sex, is a ritual of blood magic. I've never saw a scenario in which she used the human child to gain the Archdemon soul,because it wasn't the product of the ritual.
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Theoretically, it is possible, no? As long as she conceives a baby from a man who drank the blood of the archdeamon, and is present during the slaying of the archedemon, the embrio absorbs the evil aura, and her child is imbued with the desired magic properties once s/he is born? That's how I understood the scenario. She can't do that if she is rejected,Morrigan has no means to create or use others GW,not to mention that i disagree with the notion that the Dark ritual is just sex, is a ritual of blood magic. I've never saw a scenario in which she used the human child to gain the Archdemon soul,because it wasn't the product of the ritual. It can't be a child, I assume it has to be an embrio, because she says "in this stage of development" it won't die - in other words, the receptor of the dying AD aura being in a womb is what prevents death. What makes gray warden a gray warden is drinking blood of the Archdemon, mixed with the blood of the darkspawn. As long as she has the concoction (i.e. she steals the valuable AD blood from GW), she can make males drink it under false pretenses during the seduction, and then mate with those who lived, or even postmortem, if she has to (like in the Aspect Emperor books). I am sure there is a ritual that can accommodate a range of possibilities. Membership in the GW is not a precondition, it's whatever the properties you get when you survive the Joining that she is after in her embrio's father.
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Post by secretrare on Jan 21, 2017 21:31:52 GMT
She can't do that if she is rejected,Morrigan has no means to create or use others GW,not to mention that i disagree with the notion that the Dark ritual is just sex, is a ritual of blood magic. I've never saw a scenario in which she used the human child to gain the Archdemon soul,because it wasn't the product of the ritual. It can't be a child, I assume it has to be an embrio, because she says "in this stage of development" it won't die - in other words, the receptor of the dying AD aura being in a womb is what prevents death. What makes gray warden a gray warden is drinking blood of the Archdemon, mixed with the blood of the darkspawn. As long as she has the concoction (i.e. she steals the valuable AD blood from GW), she can make males drink it under false pretenses during the seduction, and then mate with those who lived, or even postmortem, if she has to (like in the Aspect Emperor books). I am sure there is a ritual that can accommodate a range of possibilities. Membership in the GW is not a precondition, it's whatever the properties you get when you survive the Joining that she is after in her embrio's father. In order to create a GW there is no need for the AD blood that is only used to make the joining more effective,Secondly why on hell Someone would want to drink something just because Morrigan said so unless it is a total inept? 3 of the 4 endings in DAO result in Morrigan failing into obtain the soul of that demon, because there is nothing she can do.
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Post by Gilsa on Jan 24, 2017 4:29:17 GMT
My first game ever -- got played by Bhelen, the younger brother. Get to 100% friendship with Morrgian and it was deja vu all over again. Wouldn't give me any answers, had ulterior motives all along, and didn't stick around. Wasted all my time in Witch Hunt to find out what was so damned important about the dark ritual and still got attitude from her and she still wasn't going to stick around, lol.
Look, I did have a character that romanced her so I could see the rest of her dialogue and piece together the overall puzzle, I know there was supposed to be a friendship version of the ritual and all, but first impressions die hard.
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Post by lynroy on Jan 29, 2017 14:19:52 GMT
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Post by Kei on Jan 30, 2017 4:29:59 GMT
The daughter of Flemeth.
In DAO it's like all the negativity from the world was sucked out into some kind of awful singularity and they named it "Morrigan."
Her dialogue was some of the most frustrating writing I’ve ever seen in a game, almost every question goes along the lines of ...
“What’s your name?”
“Ah, but what is a name? Tis a silly human construction, used to label that which they don’t understand, you know me as a witch of the wilds, an apostate, an abomination, and Morrigan. Call me what you will”
OHMYGODSHUTUPMORRIGAN!
it's like a stupid 15-year-old that thinks they're deep. It was pretty unbearable. It'd be great if she was written as a try-hard teenager who thinks they're clever and "get it", but no - she's meant to be an adult with a unique perspective on the world.
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Post by disi on Jan 31, 2017 10:20:27 GMT
Zevran. He tried to kill me. So I return the favor. This In my current game Zevran is already dead. It is also a thing of trust, would you trust an assassin who was hired to kill you? My least favorite is Sten, I free him and then send him away because is just so 'tough'. The codex says he is gone to fight the Archdemon alone... p.s. I wonder why everyone dislikes Morrigan. She is the Spock of Dragon Age. She is helpful in the forest to complete strangers, highly educated but lacks many social skills. You take her along and she is upset at first. She does not believe in gods as superficial beings, but in magic she can see, touch and control. During the travels if you take Leliana with you and romanced Morrigan, she keeps nagging her about love. Morrigan will tell her what she defines as love does not exist and she is with the warden for passion and respect (not uh my god I love your eyes, smell, hair or for no good reason). In the fade she is brilliant and just how I imagine her. You can sometimes really kick her off balance if you are just nice to her and want nothing in return.
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Post by Jarovbees on Jan 31, 2017 20:09:03 GMT
Sten. He loves to keep dying on me no matter how I outfit him, and getting his approval in conversations is like playing Minesweeper. I recruit him so he doesn't die in Lothering, but other than that, I ignore him now.
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Post by adrianbc on Feb 1, 2017 9:22:40 GMT
Sten. He loves to keep dying on me no matter how I outfit him, and getting his approval in conversations is like playing Minesweeper. I recruit him so he doesn't die in Lothering, but other than that, I ignore him now. I`ve got lucky with Sten from the start. In my first PT I played a Dalish elf. I wanted to play an outsider, and I chose by luck the Origin with the most neutral character: my Dalish has his clan already out of the harm`s way, no direct connection with Ferelden (Loghain, Howe, Eamon, Vaughan) and Orzamar. Zathrian`s Dalish clan and the Denerim Alienage elves were closer, but not family. He had no family nearby. Anyway, my Dalish was told by Marethari that it`s his duty for the clan to became a Grey Warden. So he choose the answer: "It`s my duty" when asked by Sten about why he cares about the Blight. And that was key to understand how Sten thinks. For me, Sten was the second easiest companion to befriend (100% approval) after the mabari, who starts at 100%. I bring Sten in most areas just for banter. Mostly he spends the campaign standing in camp and watching the scenery. Sten is has some fun comments in many areas, and with companions - if you play a male Warden. It`s not funny for a female Warden. But I don`t hate him...
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Feb 2, 2017 17:05:46 GMT
Zevran. He tried to kill me. So I return the favor. p.s. I wonder why everyone dislikes Morrigan. She is the Spock of Dragon Age. I will tell you that. -She approve if you kill the merchant in Lothering for no reason. -She disapproves if you decide to help the village of redcliffe and approves if you abandon them. -She approves if you let the demon possess Wilhelm's daughter. -She likes to see the mages die and disapproves if you agree to help them. -She approves greatly if you decide to help werewolves genocide the elves. -She approves greatly if you openly insult the husband of the deceased elven woman who was killed by the curse of the werewolves -She also approves if you defile the ahses. -She openly agrees with the tevinter slaver when he says that he'll kill all the elves nearby to give more power to the warden if the warden lets the slaver go. -She's been fooling the warden all along and have been planning to use the warden all along, for her own ritual and selfishness. -She deceived,robbed and therefore betrayed an entire clan of Dalish elves in order to obtain their artifact instead to cooperate with them on the Eluvian. Basically Morrigan cares for no one but herself. She shows no sympathy for anyone and doesn't consider any action as too evil and actually enjoys destruction and death. The only person that she can become friends/lover with is a single person(warden of DAO and taht depends on the player)but other than that she has no friends,unlike everyone else in this franchise that is really telling on how most people in the setting don't want to have anything to do with her. That may be not enough of a reason for your psychology to dislike her but it is definitely more than enough for mine to justify my dislike for her .
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Post by Zemgus on Feb 3, 2017 9:31:39 GMT
King!Alistair. First of all it shouldn't even be possible and is the biggest plot hole in the entire series. What happened to Wardens don't involve themselves in politics, hmm? Not to even mention how the Wardens were exiled from Ferelden last time for attempting to usurp the throne and were just allowed to return thanks to Marric and now you expect me to believe people would just accept a Grey Warden as their king? Pffft. Besides Eamon must either be ignorant or just stupid if he thinks putting Alistair on the throne is a good idea. He's sterile so the Theirin bloodline is already lost! It's just delaying the inevitable and putting the country in the hands of incompetent bastard son for no reason.
King Alistair cameo's in other games have always been bad and his character arc is seriously messed up. I actually love the warden version of Alistair and in general had no problem with him in DAO. I just don't approve of him being made king when it really goes against lore and logic.
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Post by disi on Feb 3, 2017 15:20:28 GMT
p.s. I wonder why everyone dislikes Morrigan. She is the Spock of Dragon Age. I will tell you that. -She approve if you kill the merchant in Lothering for no reason. -She disapproves if you decide to help the village of redcliffe and approves if you abandon them. -She approves if you let the demon possess Wilhelm's daughter. -She likes to see the mages die and disapproves if you agree to help them. -She approves greatly if you decide to help werewolves genocide the elves. -She approves greatly if you openly insult the husband of the deceased elven woman who was killed by the curse of the werewolves -She also approves if you defile the ahses. -She openly agrees with the tevinter slaver when he says that he'll kill all the elves nearby to give more power to the warden if the warden lets the slaver go. -She's been fooling the warden all along and have been planning to use the warden all along, for her own ritual and selfishness. -She deceived,robbed and therefore betrayed an entire clan of Dalish elves in order to obtain their artifact instead to cooperate with them on the Eluvian. Basically Morrigan cares for no one but herself. She shows no sympathy for anyone and doesn't consider any action as too evil and actually enjoys destruction and death. The only person that she can become friends/lover with is a single person(warden of DAO and taht depends on the player)but other than that she has no friends,unlike everyone else in this franchise that is really telling on how most people in the setting don't want to have anything to do with her. That may be not enough of a reason for your psychology to dislike her but it is definitely more than enough for mine to justify my dislike for her . But You do not have to do all these things to make her like you... If you play a sane warden you will never know that she approves those things. You only know that because it is out there on the internet or you actual make your warden do these things. Give her some gifts, listen to what she says and you will stay on her good side. I do get Morrigan's disapproval for being overly nice or throwing money at people, but not for being normal. In the Circle of Magi, the last time I played, Wynne died because I chose some answer to support Morrigan. This time I took both with me and it worked out fine. p.s. I finished the Origins part of the game. As usual I romanced Morrigan and really like the idea of the conflict between her 'scientific' interest into the old god (the archdemon) and her love to me. I swore to find her and my child, no matter what she said and repeated the oath during the celcebration ceremony. Now I am in Awakening anyway, but curious about Witch Hunt. It was quite some time since I last played.
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Post by Walter Black on Feb 3, 2017 19:10:15 GMT
Personality wise, I like them all. Gameplay wise... :
Morrigan, as the Shapeshifter Specialization has too much unrealized potential.
Zevran, who lied about his lockpicking skill
Sten, who can only have one Specialization (even if it fits lorewise).
Ohgren, who was a less than stellar tank, even if you recruit him last. "One of the finest warriors of his generation" my ass .
Justice, as the Spirit Warrior Spec also wasn't as cool as it should have been, and wasn't much use outside his recruitment.
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Post by Walter Black on Feb 3, 2017 19:35:09 GMT
Holy crap this needed to be asked. Thing is, I generally love Bioware games for the companions. Planescape Torment and Jade Empire come to mind. However, I freaking HATED a number of the DA:O companions. Let's start with fan favorite Morrigan. I couldn't stand her. She complained not just at every small diversion (understandable given that we should be trying to save the world) but at any point I was simply decent to people for the sake of not being a jerk. Gee, Morrigan, so sorry we don't all want to be as miserable as you. Wynne was also insufferable. Her whole attitude was 'If anyone disagrees with me they simply don't see the wisdom of my withered ass.' God, I hated her. Zevran was disgusting trash. Leliana kind of put me off with her whole 'Oh, I'm spiritual but I also kill people and act like it's a game' thing. Black Isle Studios (who folded and eventually became Obsidian) made Planescape: Torment, not Bioware.
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