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Post by azarhal on Oct 4, 2021 12:39:07 GMT
Conditions not being meet is always about return on their investment. Their share values basically doubled in 3-4 years, the are very happy investors (and you rarely see that much value increase in the public equity domain). They couldn't care less that the customers aren't getting their products, they are getting their money. Without a market to sell the stock the "values" are just hot air. And without something to show for after 10 years there arent many buyers who would touch this with a long pole. No, Calder's returns are to come from cash generated by the business. If my privately owned company which made about zero profit every years for the last 15 years had the equity firms find another equity firm to buy their shares despite the value stagnating for 15 years and barely no dividends, the Calders will have no issue finding buyers for theirs.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 27, 2021 23:02:41 GMT
So I’ve come around to that roughly annual period where I remember this game exists and check to see if Squadron 42 is any closer to seeing the light of day (I’ve promised myself I won’t touch it until that happens)
As far as I can tell, the answer to that is no.
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 29, 2021 12:27:53 GMT
So I’ve come around to that roughly annual period where I remember this game exists and check to see if Squadron 42 is any closer to seeing the light of day (I’ve promised myself I won’t touch it until that happens) As far as I can tell, the answer to that is no. Yea, unfortunately, AFAIK we basically got no information about SQ42 at all this year.
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 29, 2021 14:36:00 GMT
There is no SQ42. You can count yourself lucky if SC gets a fraction of its promised content.
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 29, 2021 15:18:24 GMT
There is no SQ42. You can count yourself lucky if SC gets a fraction of its promised content.
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 29, 2021 16:12:08 GMT
There is no SQ42. You can count yourself lucky if SC gets a fraction of its promised content. I think you get more mileage spending that om Starfield.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 29, 2021 16:38:26 GMT
It looks like it’ll be interesting still (and I like watching videos about the ships on YouTube), but I’m not going to give it any money and minimal attention until it actually delivers something.
Starfield will probably scratch that itch for awhile.
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I have to give Star Citizen credit for one thing this season, I was getting tired of one of my cousins that always makes comments along the lines of EA nickel and diming players. So I shot back with a comment about The Roberts group $10 and $20 players for a game that hasn't been fully released yet. Knowing that he backed the game and has bought a couple of ships.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 31, 2021 6:58:06 GMT
Such a shame. That one 30 minute video of SQ42 looked amazing. Blows me away that it's been years now since they dropped that. I had thought they were close to getting real game content out.
I put about $30 into a bundle clear back in 2016 thinking it would be out in a year or so. Lmao, what a scam.
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 2, 2022 2:05:13 GMT
The background lore is a bit weak though.
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Post by azarhal on Oct 23, 2023 2:24:52 GMT
Squadron 42 is now feature complete
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Oct 24, 2023 1:59:38 GMT
Squadron 42 is now feature complete Yeah saw htat earlier on m yown feed i tlooks good but until it has a release date I' mno tgoin gto allow myself to get too excited. Especially given how long it's taken them to get this far.
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Post by Sanunes on Oct 24, 2023 3:53:20 GMT
Congrats to them to getting to "feature complete", but to me that still makes it seem it could be years before the people that have paid for the game get the complete single player aspect.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Oct 24, 2023 12:44:47 GMT
Congrats to them to getting to "feature complete", but to me that still makes it seem it could be years before the people that have paid for the game get the complete single player aspect. Yeah that's why I'm no tgettin gexcited till it actuall yha sa release date. I'm intersted but until a release date is given the yca nforge tabout getting an ymone yfrom me.Especially as I'm only interested in th esingle player portion anyway.
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Post by AnDromedary on Oct 24, 2023 20:56:26 GMT
Congrats to them to getting to "feature complete", but to me that still makes it seem it could be years before the people that have paid for the game get the complete single player aspect. I think so, too. Feature complete does not mean content complete. My current guess is maybe end of 2025.
But the video looked cool and it was really about time they showed some progress on SQ42. I am still looking forward to it but yeah, I am not keeping my hopes up for any timeline.
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Post by shaqfu on Oct 24, 2023 21:57:29 GMT
The campaign was always what I was interested more in, so its nice to see some progress.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Oct 24, 2023 23:50:12 GMT
Congrats to them to getting to "feature complete", but to me that still makes it seem it could be years before the people that have paid for the game get the complete single player aspect. I think so, too. Feature complete does not mean content complete. My current guess is maybe end of 2025.
But the video looked cool and it was really about time they showed some progress on SQ42. I am still looking forward to it but yeah, I am not keeping my hopes up for any timeline.
Yeah unti lthe ygiv eus a date or any kind of time frame like say when Forbidden West said early 2024 for hte PC release I'm not allowin gmyself to get excited about it.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Oct 28, 2023 3:52:03 GMT
🤣 I don't know I would want to try this. He did it with a small ship that costs 1k so it's not too bad.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Nov 4, 2023 20:28:16 GMT
Their technology is very impressive.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Nov 4, 2023 20:50:01 GMT
The background lore is a bit weak though. I disagree, many of his criticisms stem from flawed thinking. I disagree with the idea that once "progressing" to democratic nation states we would never again return to a different government type. Human progress is by no means guaranteed or irreversible. It’s a very fundamentally Western view of Time/History that everything is forward progress forever. It’s just that most people eventually notice that’s not how anything has ever worked with Humanity. We change our minds a lot... usually violently. This point feels a bit “end-of-history”-ey. If the two decades since the 1990s have proven anything, it’s that fascism and authoritarianism are not necessarily destroyed simply by having a democracy. Democratic governments like Russia, Brazil, Turkey, and the Philippines have all seen the rise of authoritarian governments after the failures of neoliberalism. These might function differently than other more overtly fascistic or authoritarian states in their bureaucratic systems, but they are just as fascist and authoritarian. Even nations with strong democracies like America have seen their democratic systems challenged and weakened, by it by losing faith in the legitimacy of elections or giving excess power to corporations. All in all, history is a complicated and fickle thing, and the idea that democracies are somehow its end goal is an outdated and disproved philosophy. "If the pollution is so bad as to melt concrete, why would they deal with the symptom instead of the root problem" I'm sorry but if I'm honest that's probably the most realistic part of the setting 😂 If humans have any special ability it's that they are very good at delaying problems instead of fixing them until it's the next generations problem. I think where people are having problems with the setting, is SC takes a fairly harsh, pessimistic view of human society, where Matt is kind of naively optimistic and thus thinks it does not make a lot of sense.
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Post by AnDromedary on Nov 8, 2023 18:07:14 GMT
The background lore is a bit weak though. I disagree, many of his criticisms stem from flawed thinking. I disagree with the idea that once "progressing" to democratic nation states we would never again return to a different government type. Human progress is by no means guaranteed or irreversible. It’s a very fundamentally Western view of Time/History that everything is forward progress forever. It’s just that most people eventually notice that’s not how anything has ever worked with Humanity. We change our minds a lot... usually violently. This point feels a bit “end-of-history”-ey. If the two decades since the 1990s have proven anything, it’s that fascism and authoritarianism are not necessarily destroyed simply by having a democracy. Democratic governments like Russia, Brazil, Turkey, and the Philippines have all seen the rise of authoritarian governments after the failures of neoliberalism. These might function differently than other more overtly fascistic or authoritarian states in their bureaucratic systems, but they are just as fascist and authoritarian. Even nations with strong democracies like America have seen their democratic systems challenged and weakened, by it by losing faith in the legitimacy of elections or giving excess power to corporations. All in all, history is a complicated and fickle thing, and the idea that democracies are somehow its end goal is an outdated and disproved philosophy. "If the pollution is so bad as to melt concrete, why would they deal with the symptom instead of the root problem" I'm sorry but if I'm honest that's probably the most realistic part of the setting 😂 If humans have any special ability it's that they are very good at delaying problems instead of fixing them until it's the next generations problem. I think where people are having problems with the setting, is SC takes a fairly harsh, pessimistic view of human society, where Matt is kind of naively optimistic and thus thinks it does not make a lot of sense. I agree. I haven't watched the entire video yet but a lot of the points made there, that I have heard so far are reductionist and frankly reveal a way of thinking that assumes today's socio-political structure represents some sort of pinnacle to human development. Take for example his issue with just the name "Empire" and how he asserts that it is unrealistic that a future political entity would - especially a democratic one - would assume such a name because of its negative connotations today. Well, according to the timeline, the UEE was founded in 2546, right after the first human war with another species. Many humans probably wondered about the future of their species. Yet in the end, humanity wins. One charismatic leader is using this fearful and at the same time empowered state of mind of the populous to rise to power. The term "Empire" in this time can now be applied to humanity in the context of other non-human species. That is already an entirely different situation as human imperialism applied against other humans on earth, 600 years before. The context of the terminology has changed according to the time frame. Even democracy was not lways viewed as a favorable form of government since its inception in ancient Greece. So I think the scenario is entirely plausible. Also, I completely agree with your point therevanchist25 . I think it is absolute hubris to assume that political structures cannot revert. Just like biological evolution, I think political evolution is often mistaken for some force, striving towards a rather abstract idea of perfection when in reality, it is merely constant adaptation to the surrounding circumstances. I mean, history certainly has shown us that under the appropriate conditions "reversion" is absolutely possible. Just two famous examples out f many more are the Roman Republic and the Weimar Republic. Heck, I think the whole story about the UEE and its history is a very poignant comment about what's going on all around the world these days with democracies being weakened all over the place by populists and exploiters. Now, I am not saying this HAS to be the trajectory we are taking, I am also a huge Star Trek fan precisely because that franchise let's us imagine another way things can go. But I also don't think it's entirely implausible. And that's the point IMO. The definition of "good lore" to me is not about the actual content of the lore so much as the skill with which it's been put together. Causality chains must make sense to to me and consistency and coherence is important. Weird things can happen for sure but they need to be explained. Or if there is no explanation, at least the characters in universe have to acknowladge the weirdness (and it should be part of the plot or something, so it should probably be explained eventually). If you follow these guidelines (and at least to my - admittedly limited - knowladge of Star Citizen lore, they do that pretty well), you can do whatever you want. Star Trek, Stargate, Babylon 5, Alien, Foundation, The Expanse, Mass Effect (1*), The Hyperion Cantos, Heck, even Farscape or the very young Starfield. They are all vastly different in their approach and imagination of the future (also because they take place at very different points in time) but I think all of them do a fairly decent job of keeping their lore together. Some more so than others and of course, the bigger the franchise tha harder it is to keep consistency going, but given their individual parameters I think they all do a decent job there. And I haven't seen SC screwing up massively in the lore department yet, when comparing it to these giants, so I don't see a problem. * ) Would have loved to just say Mass Effect and leave it at that but IMO, the writers introduced a lot of consistency issues starting with ME2, so as much as I love the franchise, when it comes to the quality of the lore, ME1 is just a few steps above the rest.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Nov 10, 2023 0:29:33 GMT
I disagree, many of his criticisms stem from flawed thinking. I disagree with the idea that once "progressing" to democratic nation states we would never again return to a different government type. Human progress is by no means guaranteed or irreversible. It’s a very fundamentally Western view of Time/History that everything is forward progress forever. It’s just that most people eventually notice that’s not how anything has ever worked with Humanity. We change our minds a lot... usually violently. This point feels a bit “end-of-history”-ey. If the two decades since the 1990s have proven anything, it’s that fascism and authoritarianism are not necessarily destroyed simply by having a democracy. Democratic governments like Russia, Brazil, Turkey, and the Philippines have all seen the rise of authoritarian governments after the failures of neoliberalism. These might function differently than other more overtly fascistic or authoritarian states in their bureaucratic systems, but they are just as fascist and authoritarian. Even nations with strong democracies like America have seen their democratic systems challenged and weakened, by it by losing faith in the legitimacy of elections or giving excess power to corporations. All in all, history is a complicated and fickle thing, and the idea that democracies are somehow its end goal is an outdated and disproved philosophy. "If the pollution is so bad as to melt concrete, why would they deal with the symptom instead of the root problem" I'm sorry but if I'm honest that's probably the most realistic part of the setting 😂 If humans have any special ability it's that they are very good at delaying problems instead of fixing them until it's the next generations problem. I think where people are having problems with the setting, is SC takes a fairly harsh, pessimistic view of human society, where Matt is kind of naively optimistic and thus thinks it does not make a lot of sense. I agree. I haven't watched the entire video yet but a lot of the points made there, that I have heard so far are reductionist and frankly reveal a way of thinking that assumes today's socio-political structure represents some sort of pinnacle to human development. Take for example his issue with just the name "Empire" and how he asserts that it is unrealistic that a future political entity would - especially a democratic one - would assume such a name because of its negative connotations today. Well, according to the timeline, the UEE was founded in 2546, right after the first human war with another species. Many humans probably wondered about the future of their species. Yet in the end, humanity wins. One charismatic leader is using this fearful and at the same time empowered state of mind of the populous to rise to power. The term "Empire" in this time can now be applied to humanity in the context of other non-human species. That is already an entirely different situation as human imperialism applied against other humans on earth, 600 years before. The context of the terminology has changed according to the time frame. Even democracy was not lways viewed as a favorable form of government since its inception in ancient Greece. So I think the scenario is entirely plausible. Also, I completely agree with your point therevanchist25 . I think it is absolute hubris to assume that political structures cannot revert. Just like biological evolution, I think political evolution is often mistaken for some force, striving towards a rather abstract idea of perfection when in reality, it is merely constant adaptation to the surrounding circumstances. I mean, history certainly has shown us that under the appropriate conditions "reversion" is absolutely possible. Just two famous examples out f many more are the Roman Republic and the Weimar Republic. Heck, I think the whole story about the UEE and its history is a very poignant comment about what's going on all around the world these days with democracies being weakened all over the place by populists and exploiters. Now, I am not saying this HAS to be the trajectory we are taking, I am also a huge Star Trek fan precisely because that franchise let's us imagine another way things can go. But I also don't think it's entirely implausible. And that's the point IMO. The definition of "good lore" to me is not about the actual content of the lore so much as the skill with which it's been put together. Causality chains must make sense to to me and consistency and coherence is important. Weird things can happen for sure but they need to be explained. Or if there is no explanation, at least the characters in universe have to acknowladge the weirdness (and it should be part of the plot or something, so it should probably be explained eventually).If you follow these guidelines (and at least to my - admittedly limited - knowladge of Star Citizen lore, they do that pretty well), you can do whatever you want. Star Trek, Stargate, Babylon 5, Alien, Foundation, The Expanse, Mass Effect (1*), The Hyperion Cantos, Heck, even Farscape or the very young Starfield. They are all vastly different in their approach and imagination of the future (also because they take place at very different points in time) but I think all of them do a fairly decent job of keeping their lore together. Some more so than others and of course, the bigger the franchise tha harder it is to keep consistency going, but given their individual parameters I think they all do a decent job there. And I haven't seen SC screwing up massively in the lore department yet, when comparing it to these giants, so I don't see a problem. * ) Would have loved to just say Mass Effect and leave it at that but IMO, the writers introduced a lot of consistency issues starting with ME2, so as much as I love the franchise, when it comes to the quality of the lore, ME1 is just a few steps above the rest. That's the biggest thing for me. Write whatever you want, I don't care if the writer wants Master Chief flying through space with an WW2 Era MG42 on a Pink Unicorn with rainbows shooting out its ass. Go ahead, but that shit better make sense by the time I reach that chapter of the story, or at least plausibly explain why this objectively weird shit is happening. You mentioned Mass Effect, EZO and Biotics is Weird. It's Pixy Dust and Magic in a very literal sense, but the first game explained it away in a convincing enough manner to where I don't think to myself "okay wtf is this man". As you said, from ME2 onwards Bioware gave up on that approach entirely, just inserting whatever "Rule of Cool" BS into the narrative they whimsically decided and basically never bothered to explain any of it. They utterly failed trying to explain why "Limited Ammo is technologically superior to Unlimited Ammo" because of course they did. You can't logically justify that kind of change no matter how many fans try to claim otherwise about rates of fire or whatever. That was the one thing after ME1 they even bothered trying to explain. Legion has your chestplate, why? because fuck you we thought it was cool, basically. Shepard was a literal pile of meat, how are they alive? Because fuck you we think it's cool. There's like 5 Black Holes in the galactic Core, and not Sagittarius A, the Super Black Hole that is actually there, why? Because fuck you this looks cooler. Granted they got what Black Holes look like correct, probably by accident since the first photo was only last year. How was Normandy SR1 even detected by the Collector Ship when their Stealth System was engaged instantly once they left FTL? Who cares watching Normandy die is a cool cutscene. etc etc. I know the Defenders around here are tired of having the Shamus Thesis paper thrown in their face, but the man truly nailed it when describing the trilogy and people really need to accept that, because if Shamus was wrong, the Series wouldn't be in the position it's in. Too many fans of Entertainment think their own made up Fan Theories that explain narrative plot holes or inconsistencies is a valid counter to said plot holes, and they're just not.
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 22, 2023 17:59:40 GMT
Still waiting for Squadron 42 before I touch this, but I love watching these:
Edit: on the world building discussion, on reflection I don’t think the worldbuilding is as weak as that video made it out to be but there are still some things I find hard to credit. A single charismatic figure establishing an empire in the way described to me is still a bit much. More groundwork could be laid to make it believable, but I don’t think it’s there yet.
And yes, Mass Effect glaring consistency problems with how the world was handled but as whole I think it still hangs together over the trilogy.
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 22, 2023 18:37:59 GMT
Oooh
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