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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 2:21:26 GMT
Which companion do you hate/dislike the most in DA:2?
While I haven't gotten choir boy's DLC and have only listened to his banter online, out of all the companions he seems to be the only one I dislike. Or at the very least, the one I have the most disinterest in.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 21, 2016 2:36:34 GMT
Which companion do you hate/dislike the most in DA:2? While I haven't gotten choir boy's DLC and have only listened to his banter online, out of all the companions he seems to be the only one I dislike. Or at the very least, the one I have the most disinterest in. It's probably weird, because of Anders, but I don't dislike Sebastian. Ofc, I dislike his decision, but his character is good. More than seems in first sight. True, I would be happy, if Hawke would be able to knock down him. Roughly. But nothing personal, just because of Anders (and Kirkwall).
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Post by MarilynRobert on Dec 21, 2016 3:09:27 GMT
I always recruit Sebastian and do use him some but I really do not like his rich, entitled attitude and remarks. Because he was born into wealth, he doesn't understand why the poor live as they do and he makes some very insensitive remarks. I do enjoy some of his banter with the others but then I like most of DA2s banter.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 21, 2016 3:21:13 GMT
I always recruit Sebastian and do use him some but I really do not like his rich, entitled attitude and remarks. Because he was born into wealth, he doesn't understand why the poor live as they do and he makes some very insensitive remarks. I do enjoy some of his banter with the others but then I like most of DA2s banter. That's why I like the character. Some people see him as a faithful choir boy, who noble hearted and good and pious. Some people see him as a vengeful hypocrite, and for example you see him as an insensitive rich nobleboy. I think he's all in one, including the angry envious third-born womanizer. UPDATE:
Ugh, I fell in love... let's to open to him a romance topic!
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Post by Gileadan on Dec 21, 2016 9:02:09 GMT
I can pick only one? So be it. Anders.
My party almost always consisted of Aveline, Varric and Isabela, because I didn't care (Sebastian) or outright disliked (Anders, Fenris, Merrill) the rest of the available companions. Anders wins though, because on top of annoying me with his whining, he's also the creepiest creep who ever creeped. His romance basically starts with "Hai! I just knifed my previous lover about two and a half minutes ago. Now I like you!" Gave me some serious Psycho vibes. "But they only want the maps to the deep roads, mother!"
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Post by Catilina on Dec 21, 2016 14:21:57 GMT
I can pick only one? So be it. Anders. My party almost always consisted of Aveline, Varric and Isabela, because I didn't care (Sebastian) or outright disliked (Anders, Fenris, Merrill) the rest of the available companions. Anders wins though, because on top of annoying me with his whining, he's also the creepiest creep who ever creeped. His romance basically starts with "Hai! I just knifed my previous lover about two and a half minutes ago. Now I like you!" Gave me some serious Psycho vibes. "But they only want the maps to the deep roads, mother!" THIS is not true. Yes, Anders have flaws (nobody's perfect), but actually this is not one of them. HAWKE can flirt with him, HE only realize that, and three years later they kissing first. Not mentioned, that Anders and Karl was not in love long ago... You can consider him "creepy", "crazy", you can hate him, because he is judgemental, jealous etc, you can find enough reason for it instead this (or, I can give you more... if you want).
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Post by floratheelf on Dec 21, 2016 14:49:04 GMT
I voted for Isabela. I don't really dislike her; in fact, I can tolerate her well enough. The only "issue" I have is that I just don't care enough about her character to ever really bring her along with me. If I need a rogue with me on a mission I'll always go with Varric. Granted, she has a few funny lines but nothing I would keep her around too much for. I can also never get her to stick with me after the whole Arishok/ Qunari business, seeing as I use her so little that her approval barely budges by the time her quest comes about and she splits. I also do like Sebastian. I never got the hate for him; my Hawkes are major flirts with him though they're nothing serious. As an added bonus, thanks to Anders, I can never unsee Andraste at his crotch
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Post by Catilina on Dec 21, 2016 15:00:18 GMT
I voted for Isabela. I don't really dislike her; in fact, I can tolerate her well enough. The only "issue" I have is that I just don't care enough about her character to ever really bring her along with me. If I need a rogue with me on a mission I'll always go with Varric. Granted, she has a few funny lines but nothing I would keep her around too much for. I can also never get her to stick with me after the whole Arishok/ Qunari business, seeing as I use her so little that her approval barely budges by the time her quest comes about and she splits. I also do like Sebastian. I never got the hate for him; my Hawkes are major flirts with him though they're nothing serious. As an added bonus, thanks to Anders, I can never unsee Andraste at his crotch At first palytroughts I was similar position with Isabela, she always escaped with Koslun (I don't disliked her, just forget her, because of Varric), but I started to take her everywhere, and now i like her. Andraste:
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Post by phoray on Dec 21, 2016 15:30:11 GMT
I love them all. Sebastian is okay, don't dislike him, suffers from the same proselytizing most religious folks suffer from, but it seems to bring happiness to Fenris, and for that, I give him a pass on even his greatest flaw (in my eyes.)
I love Aveline because she punched my murder Hawke in the face and we laughed about it afterwards. That's family, fucked up family, but family nonetheless.
I love Merril for being the dorkiest dork ever. Also, in spite of how mean people can be to her, she still refuses to go down to their level and hit them where it hurts. She is also proud to be a Dalish, and represents it in a non angry very respectful way. Previous Dalish companion, Velanna, comes no where close to this.
I love Varric for trying to protect everyone is his special kinda Carta way; whether its's Merril, Fenris, Anders, and even Cole, later.
I love Isabella for her sex positivity and career goals; the way she thrives on freedom is refreshing to watch.
I love Fenris because, in spite of his struggle and trauma, he pushes himself to get through it. To move beyond it. He wants to, so desperately, and it's painful to watch how frustrated he gets with himself. But then he gets there. He gets there and it's beautiful to witness.
I love Anders. And I hate Anders. And that's why his character is so well done. He's so human it's disgusting. he has it all. He has jealousy, joy, silliness, pain, selfishness, devotion, judgemental, fear, cowardess, and a dash of pathetic on more than one occasion. He is a roller coaster of emotion from start to finish and he makes huge mistakes. His energy and passion are his driving force and it is easy for someone to get swept away in it.
And you left out the Siblings.
Bethany is bland, but I don' thate her. There must be something especially nice about her, because everyone remembers her fondly. I must go through the expansions with her before totally ruling her out as an interesting sibling.
Then there is Carver. Wanting to stand on his own two feet, jealous, childish brat of a man boy who's growth over the game is just as touching as Fenris'. "It's gone too long without being said. I'm proud to call you "sister."
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Post by Dovahkiin N7 on Dec 21, 2016 18:03:32 GMT
I hate none of them. Because the companions in DA2 have s the best ever thing I seen in video games. Hated what Anders does for the mayhem is caused, but for that he gets stabbed in the back.
Gameplay wise hated that Isabela is almost useless in nightmare. Otherwise she has best banter with other party members, specially Sebastian.
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Post by Sah291 on Dec 21, 2016 18:38:35 GMT
I like all of them.
I agree, I like Sebastian as a character and for what he adds to the story, even though I prefer Anders. Maybe because I do like Anders a lot, I think Seb provides needed contrast and drama to the storyline....it could have been better, had they not made him a DLC character and had written him in from the start, but it feels right that at least one companion would outright refuse to accept Hawke sparing Anders, and that Hawke would have to make a difficult choice.
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Post by dragontartare on Dec 21, 2016 19:07:12 GMT
I voted that I like/love all of them. Anders is probably my least favorite because of what he does at the end, but he is still an interesting companion to drag along. Sebastian can get annoying (and Varric is my preferred archer anyway) but like phoray I give Sebastian a pass on that because his preaching gives some peace to Fenris. I haven't played with Carver yet, but from what I've seen online, he is an interesting character. I like Bethany for her "loyal little sister" role. It's nice to have someone have your back all the time.
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Post by fylimar on Dec 21, 2016 20:40:57 GMT
I like them mostly, apart from Sebastian. Him, I really can't stand and I love it, how some companions can discuss him into the dirt. Like Merrill, who loves to point out the plotholes in chant of light - hilarious. I only take him with me for that banter and I make sure, he has Isabella, Merrill and Varric to go along with I'm a little biased about Merrill. She is nice enough, but her totally blindness to all the dangers of bloodmagic is really frustrating. There is a way between condemning it totally and being just stupid about it's dangers. If she uses it especially for restoring the mirror, an in-between stance on the matter would be a bit more realistic, something along the line 'What Tahrone did to that templars was horrible'. You know, acknowledging, that some bloodmagic rites are just creepy as hell, like killing others for their blood.
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Post by Natashina on Dec 21, 2016 22:22:24 GMT
First, props on making me laugh with the thread title. My pick was Sebastian. I didn't have to think too hard about it. Here's why: --He's probably the most wishy-washy characters in the series. He keeps flipping between, "raar, I want revenge," "whine I should go back and be a prince," and "Kumbiah." I know it's suppose to show his inner conflict but it comes out as a whine. --He's redundant in my party for combat. If I want an archer, I'll roll one or bring along Varric. --Suggesting that Hawke turns in Merrill and Anders to the oh-so-compassionate Knight Commander. Right in front of him/her. Fenris nailed it, "You'd have to go through Hawke." --If I have his DLC and Legacy installed at the same time, his personal quest bugs out. Every. Single. Time. I have to take Legacy out of my game folder, play until after Seb's quest, then put the folder back in. I know the character has nothing to do with that...but it doesn't help. --"Kill Anders here and now or else I'll take my temper tantrum out on Kirkwall. Nevermind that the Knight Commander is here. Nevermind that you don't rule this city. Kill your friend/former friend right now or I'll go home and get my army!" Me: "Screw you, brat. My friend/rival, my business." --"Years later, I'm still mad because Anders lives. Even though neither he nor Hawke have lived in Kirkwall for a long time, I'm gonna send my army to sack the city. So, can you help with that?" Me as the IQ: "Cullen, could you go help Aveline kick the Choir Boy out of Kirkwall? I know Varric would appreciate getting Vael out of his hometown. Thanks." His religious attitude isn't a problem with me. He's a little preachy but I didn't think he was that bad. Otherwise, I can't stand the hypocritical jerk.
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Post by lordofwar on Dec 21, 2016 22:27:12 GMT
Out of all of them, I dislike Aveline the most. I don't like how she talks down to the rest of the companions (especially with her making sure Carver isn't able to join the Guard), I don't like how she tacitly supports Meredith's regime, and I really don't like how she (fails to) handle the Kirkwall Guard.
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Post by Destructive Deer on Dec 21, 2016 22:33:29 GMT
I'm torn between voting for Anders or Merrill. Not because I utterly despise both of them, but because I dislike them both, but again... both have redeeming qualities.
I dislike Anders' 'whiny' nature and that he blew up the chantry (I'm convinced that violence just leads to more violence), but aside from that he's got a fun personality, especially back in Awakening he was one of the best companions.
Merrill I dislike because of her MASSIVE personality change from her Dalish origin version as well as her complete disregard for the dangers of blood magic, as someone else pointed out and the Eluvian. Both of those points are heavily influenced due to the fact that the Dalish origin is my first and canon storyline for DA:O. But again, Merrill has redeeming qualities and she can be hilariously dorky sometimes, I'm even considering romancing her on some of my Hawkes even though I swore not to romance her a year ago or so.
SO I guess I don't really dislike any character?
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Post by Catilina on Dec 21, 2016 22:45:11 GMT
I'm torn between voting for Anders or Merrill. Not because I utterly despise both of them, but because I dislike them both, but again... both have redeeming qualities. I dislike Anders' 'whiny' nature and that he blew up the chantry (I'm convinced that violence just leads to more violence), but aside from that he's got a fun personality, especially back in Awakening he was one of the best companions. Merrill I dislike because of her MASSIVE personality change from her Dalish origin version as well as her complete disregard for the dangers of blood magic, as someone else pointed out and the Eluvian. Both of those points are heavily influenced due to the fact that the Dalish origin is my first and canon storyline for DA:O. But again, Merrill has redeeming qualities and she can be hilariously dorky sometimes, I'm even considering romancing her on some of my Hawkes even though I swore not to romance her a year ago or so. SO I guess I don't really dislike any character? True, the violence leads more violence, but sometimes in a violent world only the violence can help. I know, this is very unpopular, but still true*. It is not always possible to stop the violence with fine words. In Kirkwall the one who would be able to stop the violence with fine words, accepted this violence, and defended this violence for years. What is considered as attack and what as defense in a state, where the order and law only cover of the violence? ______ * If the violence is not a solution, there is no need armed forces in the world. No need police, national army, international army. And if these abuse their power, we hardly can call criminal the citizens, who want to do anything against them.
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Post by Destructive Deer on Dec 21, 2016 23:22:10 GMT
I'm torn between voting for Anders or Merrill. Not because I utterly despise both of them, but because I dislike them both, but again... both have redeeming qualities. I dislike Anders' 'whiny' nature and that he blew up the chantry (I'm convinced that violence just leads to more violence), but aside from that he's got a fun personality, especially back in Awakening he was one of the best companions. Merrill I dislike because of her MASSIVE personality change from her Dalish origin version as well as her complete disregard for the dangers of blood magic, as someone else pointed out and the Eluvian. Both of those points are heavily influenced due to the fact that the Dalish origin is my first and canon storyline for DA:O. But again, Merrill has redeeming qualities and she can be hilariously dorky sometimes, I'm even considering romancing her on some of my Hawkes even though I swore not to romance her a year ago or so. SO I guess I don't really dislike any character? True, the violence leads more violence, but sometimes in a violent world only the violence can help. I know, this is very unpopular, but still true*. It is not always possible to stop the violence with fine words. In Kirkwall the one who would be able to stop the violence with fine words, accepted this violence, and defended this violence for years. What is considered as attack and what as defense in a state, where the order and law only cover of the violence? ______ * If the violence is not a solution, there is no need armed forces in the world. No need police, national army, international army. And if these abuse their power, we hardly can call criminal the citizens, who want to do anything against them.
You're correct, which is another reason why I cannot 'justify' completely disliking Anders. If no-one acted like a dick towards mages and abused their power, he never would've taken the actions he did. But I suppose I'm just a pacifist to the sometimes irrational degree. I wish violence wasn't necessary and if it were the last resort I wish it wasn't Anders who used it.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Dec 22, 2016 1:18:53 GMT
I like all of them. I agree, I like Sebastian as a character and for what he adds to the story, even though I prefer Anders. Maybe because I do like Anders a lot, I think Seb provides needed contrast and drama to the storyline....it could have been better, had they not made him a DLC character and had written him in from the start, but it feels right that at least one companion would outright refuse to accept Hawke sparing Anders, and that Hawke would have to make a difficult choice.I know it may be childish of me but as soon as Sebastian demanded that Hawke kill Anders, even if my Hawkes may have been leaning that way (they never were, but if they were), Seb's demand cinched the deal that Anders would go free.
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Post by Natashina on Dec 22, 2016 2:41:22 GMT
@dustyelf I didn't like him very much in DA2, but he's actually a well-written character that I despise even more after the end of that game. The problem is that Seb's threat isn't empty. If set up your world state with the prince recruited and Anders alive, he does come after Kirkwall in DAI. It comes up as a War Table mission. You can decide to send Cullen to help Aveline kick him out or you can send another advisor (I think Josie, not sure,) to help Sebstian take over. So, because Hawke refused to kill Anders right there because Seb demanded him/her to, he still sends an army after Kirkwall. Two years later. You'd figure he'd be a tad more concerned about the mage/templar war than worrying about getting venegence on Kirkwall. I guess if I was royalty I'd be worried about that. Silly me. He's just an ass. He is very well aware the failed authority figures (Meredith, Orsino) are dead. Hawke's been gone for at least a year no matter if they become Vicount(ess) or not. But screw the mage/templar war, screw helping his own people through this. His pride is on the line.
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Post by Natashina on Dec 22, 2016 3:16:14 GMT
@dustyelf I didn't like him very much in DA2, but he's actually a well-written character that I despise even more after the end of that game. The problem is that Seb's threat isn't empty. If set up your world state with the prince recruited and Anders alive, he does come after Kirkwall in DA4. It comes up as a War Table mission. You can decide to send Cullen to help Aveline kick him out or you can send another advisor (I think Josie, not sure,) to help Sebstian take over. So, because Hawke refused to kill Anders right there because Seb demanded him/her to, he still sends an army after Kirkwall. Two years later. You'd figure he'd be a tad more concerned about the mage/templar war than worrying about getting venegence on Kirkwall. I guess if I was royalty I'd be worried about that. Silly me. He's just an ass. He is very well aware the failed authority figures (Meredith, Orsino) are dead. Hawke's been gone for at least a year no matter if they become Vicount(ess) or not. But screw the mage/templar war, screw helping his own people through this. His pride is on the line. Ha he did? Well Ill be. Do you need to have Sebastian as prince? I think I had him remain with the chantry or does the ending cancel that out. Wow good for him for at least following through with the threat. But 2 years later and he didn't bother to go with the army? And why would he punish the citizens it doesn't make sense. Would never help him take over he doesn't deserve it, he doesn't deserve to lead. Didn't think he cared much about anyone except himself he did seem a bit self-absorbed.
Grrr maybe next time I won't recruit him. Maybe should change my answer
It doesn't matter if Sebastian is influenced to become a prince or not. Regardless of the player's decisions, he goes back and rules Starkhaven. Personally, I think he's a selfish child that's using a now-baseless grudge to seize power. You can still make sure he doesn't get his way even if you recruit him using Cullen.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 22, 2016 3:35:37 GMT
@dustyelf I didn't like him very much in DA2, but he's actually a well-written character that I despise even more after the end of that game. The problem is that Seb's threat isn't empty. If set up your world state with the prince recruited and Anders alive, he does come after Kirkwall in DA4. It comes up as a War Table mission. You can decide to send Cullen to help Aveline kick him out or you can send another advisor (I think Josie, not sure,) to help Sebstian take over. So, because Hawke refused to kill Anders right there because Seb demanded him/her to, he still sends an army after Kirkwall. Two years later. You'd figure he'd be a tad more concerned about the mage/templar war than worrying about getting venegence on Kirkwall. I guess if I was royalty I'd be worried about that. Silly me. He's just an ass. He is very well aware the failed authority figures (Meredith, Orsino) are dead. Hawke's been gone for at least a year no matter if they become Vicount(ess) or not. But screw the mage/templar war, screw helping his own people through this. His pride is on the line. Ha he did? Well Ill be. Do you need to have Sebastian as prince? I think I had him remain with the chantry or does the ending cancel that out. Wow good for him for at least following through with the threat. But 2 years later and he didn't bother to go with the army? And why would he punish the citizens it doesn't make sense. Would never help him take over he doesn't deserve it, he doesn't deserve to lead. Didn't think he cared much about anyone except himself he did seem a bit self-absorbed. Grrr maybe next time I won't recruit him. Maybe should change my answer No matter, what Hawke told to him, he be prince in any case. I think, because Elthina's dead. I had Hawke on 100% friendship with him... yes, as Natashina wrote, he a vengeful dickhead, and can't thinking logical. (Why Anders would in Kirkwall?) This is why weird to me: why the people accept him better than Anders? He isn't better (I think, even worse, but it's just me).
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Post by Natashina on Dec 22, 2016 3:40:54 GMT
CatilinaYou know I'm an Anders fan, but the whole "blowing up an occupied Chantry and intentionally trying to spark a huge war" probably has something to do with why people dislike him so much. He also uses his friends and even potentally his lover to do it.
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Post by Catilina on Dec 22, 2016 3:56:06 GMT
Catilina You know I'm an Anders fan, but the whole "blowing up an occupied Chantry and intentionally trying to spark a huge war" probably has something to do with why people dislike him so much. He also uses his friends and even potentally his lover to do it. Princeling of Starkhaven also started a war, because of PERSONAL vengeance, he abused of his power, plus did not thinking logically. (After a short quarrel Hawke understood why he did it all – he is charming.)
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Post by Natashina on Dec 22, 2016 4:00:45 GMT
Catilina You know I'm an Anders fan, but the whole "blowing up an occupied Chantry and intentionally trying to spark a huge war" probably has something to do with why people dislike him so much. He also uses his friends and even potentally his lover to do it. Princeling of Starkhaven also started a war, because of PERSONAL vengeance, he abused of his power, plus did not thinking logically. (After a short quarrel Hawke understood why he did it all – he is charming.) I know that. However, that takes place off-screen. It isn't something the player takes part in. Experiencing what Anders did through Hawke's eyes is going to stick with people more than a text-only quest. Seb is a jerk, but he didn't intentionally start a war to sweep through Thedas. He can possibly attack one city, on the other side of the setting from DA:I. <shrug> This thread is more about to talk about why a person thinks a companion sucks. No need to debate about this here. That would derail the thread.
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