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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 17:46:38 GMT
Does anybody use this staff? why/why not?
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Post by Gekrakel (Mark) on Dec 21, 2016 18:01:05 GMT
Not really.. too many other good staffs and ice is really not the best element to spec into, imo.
But, if you want to use it, an ice queen necromancer with that frost shield passive is a natural. And you get to run around with ice all over you, which is kinda fun.
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Post by Minuos on Dec 21, 2016 18:10:37 GMT
Just happened to stumble into two of the top PC players today using this staff. One Saarebas, one Necromancer. It's pretty much an excuse to use the Winter Pact Belt, IMO.
Think the idea with the Saarebas, for example, was mostly to use it with the pact belt and make use of Athlok Burst's auto-shatter. I was playing Katari, so there just happened to be a bunch of incredibly satisfying shatters for me in there too. With the Necromancer, I think it was mostly for Fade Step, but also effectively applied to Winter's Grasp since this person is very promoted.
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Post by wittyrover on Dec 21, 2016 18:12:48 GMT
Because it's the most lovely staff. It hum a tune! nah... I prefer Heart of Pride.  |
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Post by Terrell on Dec 21, 2016 18:19:54 GMT
Works well for Virtuoso winter pact belt cool beats build if you don't want to cast a little knight music every few seconds.
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Post by revyaxiii on Dec 22, 2016 14:53:44 GMT
It's the only good staff i have, so... i use it :x
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Post by 3y3vr3 on Dec 22, 2016 16:19:54 GMT
I used it on necro before getting better staff like Heart of Pride or hakkon. She's probably the squishiest mage of all without the protection of barrier or guardian spirit and heart of despair makes her a little tougher. I've also seen people use it with keeper or virtuoso, usually it's when surviving as a support mage in higher difficulties is still quite challenging for them.
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Post by SassaMFG on Dec 22, 2016 17:23:17 GMT
It's good looking Staff. And quite usefull for people who don't have maxed defence and like to play "Ice Queen" build with Winter Pact Belt on.
It also boosts attack by 24% IIRC, wich is good.
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Post by mfr001 on Dec 22, 2016 19:25:33 GMT
It's good looking Staff. And quite usefull for people who don't have maxed defence and like to play "Ice Queen" build with Winter Pact Belt on. It also boosts attack by 24% IIRC, wich is good. Excellent! Now I have an excuse when I try it and everything goes pear shaped. (Nothing to do with my scrubbyness of course.)  |
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Post by Beerfish on Dec 22, 2016 20:22:33 GMT
It's good looking Staff. And quite usefull for people who don't have maxed defence and like to play "Ice Queen" build with Winter Pact Belt on. It also boosts attack by 24% IIRC, wich is good. I always sing 'Let it go' in a girly voice when I use that staff. |
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Post by Parachroma on Dec 26, 2016 6:02:02 GMT
Never been a big fan of it myself. I really wanted to be a fan, but it just didn't happen. I prefer HoP, Razikale, and of course, Hakkon's Wisdom if you are higher level.
Many folks associate this staff with the necromancer, but to be honest, it's not necessary. I think the necro is more of a late game support player, and by that time, HoD doesn't offer as much benefit when compared to other staffs.
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Post by 3y3vr3 on Dec 26, 2016 10:09:39 GMT
Although she has several crowd-control abilities, I would consider necro a dps rather than a support...
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Post by SassaMFG on Dec 26, 2016 10:35:41 GMT
Although she has several crowd-control abilities, I would consider necro a dps rather than a support... This. |
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Post by Parachroma on Dec 28, 2016 1:58:51 GMT
Although she has several crowd-control abilities, I would consider necro a dps rather than a support... I'm going to have to disagree with that statement. Not trying to cause a bunch of hoopla about it, but she's support. I understand at the hefty promotes you guys have, everything's dps, but for us lowly non-leader-boarder types, she can't solo nightmare because of a lack of consistent dps (among other things). Dps in spurts, like corpse explosion, imho, doesn't really count, nor does having 1500 willpower. Pair her with a team of other dps characters, and she's a beast. As a result, for us blue collar types, she's not a true dps character. |
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Post by SassaMFG on Dec 28, 2016 3:14:58 GMT
Although she has several crowd-control abilities, I would consider necro a dps rather than a support... I'm going to have to disagree with that statement. Not trying to cause a bunch of hoopla about it, but she's support. I understand at the hefty promotes you guys have, everything's dps, but for us lowly non-leader-boarder types, she can't solo nightmare because of a lack of consistent dps (among other things). Dps in spurts, like corpse explosion, imho, doesn't really count, nor does having 1500 willpower. Pair her with a team of other dps characters, and she's a beast. As a result, for us blue collar types, she's not a true dps character. I have to disagree on your disagreement...  Soloing any difficulty isn't argument for DPS or support. Her every AoE skill have good DPS. You just can't expect everything to die on NM with low stats and this imply to any other character. Her biggest flaw is lack of protection and this is punishing for low stats players. Remember, we, as you call us, leader-boarder types were in your shoes once |
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Post by 3y3vr3 on Dec 28, 2016 13:06:49 GMT
Although she has several crowd-control abilities, I would consider necro a dps rather than a support... I'm going to have to disagree with that statement. Not trying to cause a bunch of hoopla about it, but she's support. I understand at the hefty promotes you guys have, everything's dps, but for us lowly non-leader-boarder types, she can't solo nightmare because of a lack of consistent dps (among other things). Dps in spurts, like corpse explosion, imho, doesn't really count, nor does having 1500 willpower. Pair her with a team of other dps characters, and she's a beast. As a result, for us blue collar types, she's not a true dps character. . Necro's skill tree decides she is better suited to be DPS than support. Just compare her passives with keeper's. The majority of her passives are to boost her own damage output, which is the same as archer, Reaver or any other character we typically call DPS...While keeper's passives focus on augmenting her barrier to help the whole team survive and fight.(In a word, supporting). It's the characteristic builds that define a DPS, not the capability of killing stuff on Nightmare. Well the unlimited promotion system does render character builds somewhat irrelevant(which I don't like either). With high enough status an assassin can be a tank. But she's always more efficient when she actually "assassinates" things. The same applies to Necro. She is better at hurting foes than protecting friends on whatever promotion level. I bet she can be built and played as a support. Though it must take a mastermind to keep teammates alive and kicking without the ability to cast barrier or give other buffs. At least I know I'm not skillful enough to play Necro as a good support.  |
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Post by SassaMFG on Dec 28, 2016 16:32:12 GMT
I'm going to have to disagree with that statement. Not trying to cause a bunch of hoopla about it, but she's support. I understand at the hefty promotes you guys have, everything's dps, but for us lowly non-leader-boarder types, she can't solo nightmare because of a lack of consistent dps (among other things). Dps in spurts, like corpse explosion, imho, doesn't really count, nor does having 1500 willpower. Pair her with a team of other dps characters, and she's a beast. As a result, for us blue collar types, she's not a true dps character. . Necro's skill tree decides she is better suited to be DPS than support. Just compare her passives with keeper's. The majority of her passives are to boost her own damage output, which is the same as archer, Reaver or any other character we typically call DPS...While keeper's passives focus on augmenting her barrier to help the whole team survive and fight.(In a word, supporting). It's the characteristic builds that define a DPS, not the capability of killing stuff on Nightmare. Well the unlimited promotion system does render character builds somewhat irrelevant(which I don't like either). With high enough status an assassin can be a tank. But she's always more efficient when she actually "assassinates" things. The same applies to Necro. She is better at hurting foes than protecting friends on whatever promotion level. I bet she can be built and played as a support. Though it must take a mastermind to keep teammates alive and kicking without the ability to cast barrier or give other buffs. At least I know I'm not skillful enough to play Necro as a good support. I approve. CC skills are different from support skills and Necro doesn't have support skills. |
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Post by HunterKipling on Dec 29, 2016 17:11:41 GMT
I'm going to have to disagree with that statement. Not trying to cause a bunch of hoopla about it, but she's support. I understand at the hefty promotes you guys have, everything's dps, but for us lowly non-leader-boarder types, she can't solo nightmare because of a lack of consistent dps (among other things). Dps in spurts, like corpse explosion, imho, doesn't really count, nor does having 1500 willpower. Pair her with a team of other dps characters, and she's a beast. As a result, for us blue collar types, she's not a true dps character. . Necro's skill tree decides she is better suited to be DPS than support. Just compare her passives with keeper's. The majority of her passives are to boost her own damage output, which is the same as archer, Reaver or any other character we typically call DPS...While keeper's passives focus on augmenting her barrier to help the whole team survive and fight.(In a word, supporting). It's the characteristic builds that define a DPS, not the capability of killing stuff on Nightmare. Well the unlimited promotion system does render character builds somewhat irrelevant(which I don't like either). With high enough status an assassin can be a tank. But she's always more efficient when she actually "assassinates" things. The same applies to Necro. She is better at hurting foes than protecting friends on whatever promotion level. I bet she can be built and played as a support. Though it must take a mastermind to keep teammates alive and kicking without the ability to cast barrier or give other buffs. At least I know I'm not skillful enough to play Necro as a good support. It has nothing to do with promotion. Necro's skill tree decides she is better suited to be DPS than support. Just compare her passives with keeper's. The majority of her passives are to boost her own damage output, which is the same as archer, Reaver or any other character we typically call DPS...While keeper's passives focus on augmenting her barrier to help the whole team survive and fight.(In a word, supporting). It's the characteristic builds that define a DPS, not the capability of killing stuff on Nightmare. Well the unlimited promotion system does render character builds somewhat irrelevant(which I don't like either). With high enough status an assassin can be a tank. But she's always more efficient when she actually "assassinates" things. The same applies to Necro. She is better at hurting foes than protecting friends on whatever promotion level. I bet she can be built and played as a support. Though it must take a mastermind to keep teammates alive and kicking without the ability to cast barrier or give other buffs. At least I know I'm not skillful enough to play Necro as a good support. I approve. CC skills are different from support skills and Necro doesn't have support skills. Yup ...and Yup! |
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