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Post by phoray on Sept 9, 2019 21:07:15 GMT
"I felt empty. I felt as if I was nothing. I felt as if she had been nothing. You once asked why I wanted to leave the Crows. In truth, what I wanted was to die. What better way than to throw myself at one of the fabled Grey Wardens?" Here is what I don't get, though: If he truly wanted to die, why did he try to negotiate with the Warden so s/he would spare him? Someone who wants to die would've said "What are you waiting for? You've won. Finish this." ISn't there an article about how everyone who jumped off a bridge to kill themselves, that then survived, said they realized during the fall that they wanted to live? Zevran is also cocky enough to believe that regardless of him wanting to die, nothing could kill him. He wasn't going to just stand there and let someone slit his throat anymore that he'd have just slit his own wrists and gotten it over with.
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Post by Sokemis on Sept 12, 2019 1:57:33 GMT
Decided to agree with Cullen about annulling the Circle (don't worry, she didn't actually anull it... at least I don't think she did... but then again I did get the achievement... honest, she didn't mean to... ) to see how that conversation went. Never took that conversation path (at least not with Zev in the party) and came across this one: Zevran: I am hardly the person to lecture on the worthier points of human nature, but surely this is a fine time to display the oft-lauded virtue known as mercy? I deserved to die, and you spared me. Why are you so quick to condemn these mages? Warden PC: You're a lot better-looking than most of the mages. Zev: Why, thank you. Flattery would normally distract me, but not today. Inconvenient, no? PC: Magic and knives are different. Zev: Magic can kill. Knives can kill. Even small children launched at great speed could kill. Why single out the wielders of one and not the others? PC: Mages can do more damage with one spell than you ever could. Zev: I've taken the lives of many throughout my career, but this is no measured act. There is no chase, no hunt, no dignity in this... there is only slaughter. PC (choice 1): Zevran, you're a hypocrite. Zev: Perhaps I am that, and a thief and murderer as well. But I looked my victims in the face. As I said, it is not the killing I object to. It is the senselessness of it. I cannot support this. PC (choice 2): {Persuade} What about the people they might slaughter? Zev (with failed persaude check): Might, not will. Committing genocide just because something might happen is more than the mark of a weak mind. It is insanity.
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Post by vertigomez on Sept 12, 2019 3:02:58 GMT
Sokemis Yes! I love Zevran's insight here. Not very many people see it, which is a pity. Man's got layers.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Sept 12, 2019 6:29:31 GMT
Sokemis Yes! I love Zevran's insight here. Not very many people see it, which is a pity. Man's got layers. I also love his lines during the Orzammar questline as Catilina once pointed out to me it's mainly about whether to side with Harrowmont or Bhelen, with Zev recommending to side with the latter because he views the former as a coward
Dulin Forender: If you were to enter the Proving as Lord Harrowmont's champion, it would prove your loyalty beyond a doubt. Zevran: *chuckles* And this is to be your king? One who cannot keep his own men from running like frightened children? Dulin: Lord Harrowmont does not use threats or intimidation to motivate his men. He leads by example. Zevran: Ah, I see. So it's his example they follow as they cower from this Prince Bhelen? Dulin: How dare you slander Lord Harrowmont! Zevran: Why should we ally ourselves with someone too scared even to grant us an audience? PC: Your snide comments are not helping.
Zevran: *to the player* Were I you I would seek a stronger king than this Harrowmont.
^ After that you can decide whether or not you agree with Zevran
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Post by Blaze on Sept 12, 2019 12:33:35 GMT
Sokemis Yes! I love Zevran's insight here. Not very many people see it, which is a pity. Man's got layers. i sadly used to be one of those, 18 years old me didn't see zevran for great and complex character that he was when i played the game back then, 10 years ago. i actually didn't like him. i am of course, older and smarter now =D Sokemis Yes! I love Zevran's insight here. Not very many people see it, which is a pity. Man's got layers. I also love his lines during the Orzammar questline as Catilina once pointed out to me it's mainly about whether to side with Harrowmont or Bhelen, with Zev recommending to side with the latter because he views the former as a coward Dulin Forender: If you were to enter the Proving as Lord Harrowmont's champion, it would prove your loyalty beyond a doubt. Zevran: *chuckles* And this is to be your king? One who cannot keep his own men from running like frightened children? Dulin: Lord Harrowmont does not use threats or intimidation to motivate his men. He leads by example. Zevran: Ah, I see. So it's his example they follow as they cower from this Prince Bhelen? Dulin: How dare you slander Lord Harrowmont! Zevran: Why should we ally ourselves with someone too scared even to grant us an audience? PC: Your snide comments are not helping.
Zevran: *to the player* Were I you I would seek a stronger king than this Harrowmont. ^ After that you can decide whether or not you agree with Zevran
i do not, however i do see his point. here's the thing, i always liked the choice of the orzammar's king. it present a real moral choice; what is preferable, a king who wants to preserve orzammar's outdated (and shity) traditions or one that intend to change things in a good way, but achieves it in immoral ways? it is interesting that there's no clear answer to that. not to me anyway.
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Post by Blaze on Sept 12, 2019 12:44:11 GMT
and hey if we already doing zevran: "the crows do not like loose ends, unlike myself"
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hawke: "how you two know each other?" zevran: "how does anyone knows isabela?" isabela: "yes well, you'll never know isabela again if you keep this up"
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hawke: "you know him best, what do you think?" isabela: "i had better..."
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zevran: "why they insist they can kill people like you or the warden, i will never guess" (yes zevran, i ask myself that question all the time...)
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Post by Iddy on Sept 12, 2019 12:44:59 GMT
Sokemis Yes! I love Zevran's insight here. Not very many people see it, which is a pity. Man's got layers. i sadly used to be one of those, 18 years old me didn't see zevran for great and complex character that he was when i played the game back then, 10 years ago. i actually didn't like him. i am of course, older and smarter now =D I also love his lines during the Orzammar questline as Catilina once pointed out to me it's mainly about whether to side with Harrowmont or Bhelen, with Zev recommending to side with the latter because he views the former as a coward Dulin Forender: If you were to enter the Proving as Lord Harrowmont's champion, it would prove your loyalty beyond a doubt. Zevran: *chuckles* And this is to be your king? One who cannot keep his own men from running like frightened children? Dulin: Lord Harrowmont does not use threats or intimidation to motivate his men. He leads by example. Zevran: Ah, I see. So it's his example they follow as they cower from this Prince Bhelen? Dulin: How dare you slander Lord Harrowmont! Zevran: Why should we ally ourselves with someone too scared even to grant us an audience? PC: Your snide comments are not helping.
Zevran: *to the player* Were I you I would seek a stronger king than this Harrowmont. ^ After that you can decide whether or not you agree with Zevran
i do not, however i do see his point. here's the thing, i always liked the choice of the orzammar's king. it present a real moral choice; what is preferable, a king who wants to preserve orzammar's outdated (and shity) traditions or one that intend to change things in a good way, but achieves it in immoral ways? it is interesting that there's no clear answer to that. not to me anyway. You know, I was pretty disappointed when I found out that King Endrin was just like Bhelen. He set up his own brother's death so he could claim the throne.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Sept 12, 2019 13:14:47 GMT
i do not, however i do see his point. here's the thing, i always liked the choice of the orzammar's king. it present a real moral choice; what is preferable, a king who wants to preserve orzammar's outdated (and shity) traditions or one that intend to change things in a good way, but achieves it in immoral ways? it is interesting that there's no clear answer to that. not to me anyway. The first time I played the game I sided with Harrowmont due to the fact he (to me at the time) seemed like the better and more reasonable person to become King after I viewed the epilogue slides (granted most of them are considered rumors) I thought to myself, hm...maybe Bhelen is better? And ever since I've gone with Bhelen as my choice for Orzammar's king.
I agree that the choice about this is interesting, I personally like choices like that where you only find out at the end whether or not your choice was the right one same with choosing the ruler(s) of Ferelden or Orlais, and especially the new Divine (why they thought Vivienne was a good choice to add I'll never know, I'd have sooner backed Mother Giselle)
the only few choices I tend to struggle with are who rules Ferelden, Anders' fate in DA2, and the Architect's fate in Awakening
Ferelden's ruler(s) tend to depend on whether or not I'm sparing Loghain during that playthrough, if he dies then I either have Alistair alone or (as is case with my own canon) with my Warden, and if I spare Loghain it's generally Alistair+Anora, though I've also done playthroughs where I kill Loghain and still put Alistair+Anora on the throne together
in the case of Anders I tend to flip a coin by the end of the game to see whether he lives or dies since for me the choice is rather loaded to begin with Anders is either Hawke's friend(rival)/lover who was (potentially) screwed over by his own choices and the spirit inside him, or you view him as an unnatural abomination who just committed mass murder (which granted he just did)
and in the case of the Architect...so far there have been no real repercussions for sparing the Architect (I personally hoped with Corypheus in Inquisition the matter of sparing or killing the Architect had been addressed, sadly it wasn't...unless I missed some sub plot where it was addressed) so I tend to let him life
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Post by vertigomez on Sept 14, 2019 12:05:57 GMT
Getting these two banters back to back LOLOL.
Sera: You're all shy! What, you think you can't treat [Josie] right? Blackwall: No, it's not–– Sera: I'll show you. I just need a peach. A ripe one, because if you do it right? Ripe! Down there. Blackwall: Please, no peaches, ripe or otherwise. Sera: Well I can't teach you bananas! That would be like showing you swords! Oh! Remember, do not use it like a sword. Blackwall: How do I make this stop?
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Bull: You know one thing I miss about Par Vollen? Bananas. They're bigger, less squishy... and bendier. Blackwall: You're talking about the fruit, right? Please tell me you're talking about the fruit.
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Post by Iddy on Sept 14, 2019 15:59:40 GMT
Getting these two banters back to back LOLOL. Sera: You're all shy! What, you think you can't treat [Josie] right? Blackwall: No, it's not–– Sera: I'll show you. I just need a peach. A ripe one, because if you do it right? Ripe! Down there. Blackwall: Please, no peaches, ripe or otherwise. Sera: Well I can't teach you bananas! That would be like showing you swords! Oh! Remember, do not use it like a sword. Blackwall: How do I make this stop? - Bull: You know one thing I miss about Par Vollen? Bananas. They're bigger, less squishy... and bendier. Blackwall: You're talking about the fruit, right? Please tell me you're talking about the fruit. It makes me wonder, what is the deal with warriors being sexually repressed? Alistair, Aveline, Cassandra, Cullen, Blackwall... they all blush or get upset when the subject comes up. Bull is the first to break the pattern, lol.
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Post by SwobyJ on Sept 20, 2019 18:00:06 GMT
Oghren isn't. Sten is Sten, I dunno. The Justice situation is N/A. We don't know about the DLC ones. Fenris isn't (necessarily). Carver presumably isn't.
Yeah there's a pattern, I'm just saying its not as clear as you're putting it. More like Bioware might like to make the prominent human warriors as an easy route to 'breaking through their romantic or sexual barriers' storylines.
Bioware likes their tropes, even if they also like subverting them at times. So stoic warrior, strange mage, rascally rogue. If there isn't at least one of these in the companion list for DA4 I'd be pretty surprised.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 22, 2019 21:22:37 GMT
Getting these two banters back to back LOLOL. Sera: You're all shy! What, you think you can't treat [Josie] right? Blackwall: No, it's not–– Sera: I'll show you. I just need a peach. A ripe one, because if you do it right? Ripe! Down there. Blackwall: Please, no peaches, ripe or otherwise. Sera: Well I can't teach you bananas! That would be like showing you swords! Oh! Remember, do not use it like a sword. Blackwall: How do I make this stop? I hated how I got a bug where these conversations still came up even after I’m locked in a relationship with Josephine. Edit: Also I wouldn’t say Rainier is sexually repressed. He mentions things like how he paid for prostitutes or doesn’t have any kids “that he knows of”.
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Post by vertigomez on Sept 22, 2019 21:30:41 GMT
Re: Blackwall, Cole also says "you know a lot about girls" and Bull says "there's a man that lived the good life once" so I'm pretty sure he's just embarrassed that everyone's just blurting it all out in public. You don't have to be repressed to be a private person.
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Post by Blaze on Sept 23, 2019 22:39:00 GMT
Re: Blackwall, Cole also says "you know a lot about girls" and Bull says "there's a man that lived the good life once" so I'm pretty sure he's just embarrassed that everyone's just blurting it all out in public. You don't have to be repressed to be a private person. yeah, like how his crush on josie even their business? nosie bastards the lot of em'...
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Post by phoray on Sept 23, 2019 23:11:07 GMT
I hated how I got a bug where these conversations still came up even after I’m locked in a relationship with Josephine. My hubs is playing the game, finished base game, finished Descent. now in JoH and the whole chain started triggering. It was so weird to hear Jose getting sweet on him a good couple of months AFTER his real identity came out only to hear of them ending things BECAUSE of his identity. Some flags just don't flag right.
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Post by House Targaryen on Oct 5, 2019 17:09:10 GMT
Iron Bull: So, Dorian, about last night... Dorian: (Sighs.) Discretion isn't your thing, is it? Iron Bull: Three times! Also, do you want your silky underthings back, or did you leave those like a token? Iron Bull: Or... wait, did you "forget" them so you'd have an excuse to come back? You sly dog! Dorian: If you choose to leave your door unlocked like a savage, I may or may not come. Iron Bull: Speak for yourself.
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Post by devotionage on Oct 6, 2019 5:09:55 GMT
Banter with Fenris, the sarcasm is so good.
Varric: So what do you do in that gigantic house all day? Fenris: Dance, of course. Varric: Really? Fenris: I run from room to room, choreographing routines. Varric: You're actually joking. Alert the Chantry! They need to put this on the calendar! Fenris: And you thought I was always serious.
Fenris: I suppose a pair of lyrium breasts tattooed onto my chest would make things better. Isabela: That's me. I'm a helper.
Anders: Maybe you should join the Qun, Fenris. Fenris: We could go together. I'd be happy to sew your mouth shut.
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Post by unclematos on Oct 13, 2019 20:33:37 GMT
The conversation with Trian and Bhelen in the dwarf noble origin.
Aeducan: Bhelen, you want to jump in here?
Bhelen: You're on your own. I've been dealing with him all afternoon.
Trian: What exactly is that supposed to mean, little brother?
Bhelen: Nothing, Trian. I've been having a great time. The speech you gave the legless boy about hard work and making something of himself was fantastic...
Trian: As heir to the throne, it is my duty to impart wisdom and judgement upon those who need it.
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Post by House Targaryen on Oct 14, 2019 6:23:52 GMT
Vivienne: I wish we had more proper Chevaliers in the Inquisition and fewer...lowlife thugs. Blackwall: No matter how much you pretend I'm furniture, I'm a person--with ears. That can hear you. Vivienne: You recognized yourself there? Good.
Blackwall: What fault do you find with me, Vivienne? I've tried to be civil. Vivienne: Darling, your civility has so little to do with your faults, I wouldn't let that trouble you. Blackwall: Then what am I doing wrong? Vivienne: Just keep hitting things, my dear. Don't worry your little head about the rest.
Blackwall: Do you have no sympathy for the mage rebellion? Vivienne: It's not as simple as you think, my dear. Blackwall: I understand that mages are dangerous. Blackwall: I know that if I had to face you, alone, I wouldn't stand a chance. Blackwall: But must it be more complicated than treating people the way you'd like to be treated? Vivienne: You're right in one thing. You wouldn't stand a chance against me.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 14, 2019 11:57:57 GMT
Vivienne is ... ugh!
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Post by Iddy on Oct 14, 2019 13:00:53 GMT
Vivienne: I wish we had more proper Chevaliers in the Inquisition and fewer...lowlife thugs. Blackwall: No matter how much you pretend I'm furniture, I'm a person--with ears. That can hear you. Vivienne: You recognized yourself there? Good. I'm assuming that dialogue happens before the big reveal about Blackwall. If so, it is weird that Vivienne would call a Grey Warden a "lowlife thug". She either doesn't hold Wardens in high steem or just finds Blackwall thuggish, specifically.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 16, 2019 0:09:32 GMT
Ah, one of the few things that I liked about Vivienne. Iddy: It’s both. Blackwall: How can you possibly dislike the Grey Wardens, Vivienne? (Before Here Lies the Abyss)
Vivienne: Really? How many people do they conscript in the name of "vigilance against the Blight"? Hundreds? Thousands? For a threat that recent history tells us can be successfully ended by just two. Yes, they certainly are heroes, and not at all a wasteful relic of a bygone age. Whatever could I find objectionable? Blackwall: Say that again when a blight's at your door. (After Here Lies the Abyss)
Vivienne: You can't seriously ask me that after what happened at Adamant. Vivienne: Where shall I start, my dear? The blood magic? Human sacrifice? Demon summoning? Or the part where they serve Corypheus? Vivienne: Yes, they certainly are heroes, and not at all a wasteful relic of a bygone age. Whatever could I find objectionable? Blackwall: Say that again when a blight's at your door.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Oct 16, 2019 9:25:44 GMT
*shrug* Vivienne is just one of those brutally honest people that some people tend to just hate on principle
truth told I didn't know what to make of her my first time around, but the more I see of her, the more I...like her? still don't understand how they could have made her a choice for becoming the Divine but eh *shrug*
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Post by Sokemis on Oct 16, 2019 11:37:30 GMT
*shrug* Vivienne is just one of those brutally honest people that some people tend to just hate on principle truth told I didn't know what to make of her my first time around, but the more I see of her, the more I...like her? still don't understand how they could have made her a choice for becoming the Divine but eh *shrug* I view Vivienne like I do Anora - really like her as a character, not too fond of her as a person. I can understand why they would want someone with Vivienne's beliefs/positions/personality to counter the other two, but I just don't understand how the Chantry would allow her (or any mage) to even be considered. Ferelden can't have a mage (or non-human) Queen, but all of damn Thedas can have a mage Divine? What the hell? I will concede that I can't think off-hand what non-mage could have fit her parameters, unless they had slightly changed and developed Mother Giselle's character a bit more (which would have made more sense, but probably would have cost more to develop a side character into more of a main one...) What I really don't understand if why the game defaults to Vivienne when she ties with one of the other two, I would have though it would have been the other way around? Speaking of that last part, is there a mod that changes that part at least - so that in the case of a tie Vivenne looses? I know there's one I plan on using (once I find it again) that makes it so that very first step with Lelianna in Haven doesn't affect if she becomes Murder Pope or Mellow Pope. But not sure on what other Divine Election mods are out there.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Oct 16, 2019 11:56:37 GMT
*shrug* Vivienne is just one of those brutally honest people that some people tend to just hate on principle truth told I didn't know what to make of her my first time around, but the more I see of her, the more I...like her? still don't understand how they could have made her a choice for becoming the Divine but eh *shrug* I view Vivienne like I do Anora - really like her as a character, not too fond of her as a person. I can understand why they would want someone with Vivienne's beliefs/positions/personality to counter the other two, but I just don't understand how the Chantry would allow her (or any mage) to even be considered. Ferelden can't have a mage (or non-human) Queen, but all of damn Thedas can have a mage Divine? What the hell? I will concede that I can't think off-hand what non-mage could have fit her parameters, unless they had slightly changed and developed Mother Giselle's character a bit more (which would have made more sense, but probably would have cost more to develop a side character into more of a main one...) What I really don't understand if why the game defaults to Vivienne when she ties with one of the other two, I would have though it would have been the other way around? Speaking of that last part, is there a mod that changes that part at least - so that in the case of a tie Vivenne looses? I know there's one I plan on using (once I find it again) that makes it so that very first step with Lelianna in Haven doesn't affect if she becomes Murder Pope or Mellow Pope. But not sure on what other Divine Election mods are out there. I'm not sure about a mod, I'd make one myself had I the ability and knowledge
but just now I did find a handy chart linkit seems that in order for Vivienne to loose you have to let Celene die (+ let Briala rule through Gaspard) and ally with the mages however in my Qunari playthrough I had Vivienne as Divine without even trying (I wanted Leliana) the point system is quite fickle it seems, but as I was told a little while back the mage/templar issue seems to be the biggest decisive factor mages allied = Leliana templars allied = Cassandra mages conscripted or templars allied = Vivienne
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