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Post by Sonya on Mar 16, 2020 14:07:59 GMT
The most important question a Dalish inquisitor can ask is "Who is Mythal?" at the eponymous temple. Then we have Morrigan continue to explain Dalish mythology, with two characters and one player fuming in the background. Solas: "Bah! All lies!" Lavellan: *points to her Vallaslin, a tree-shaped pattern on her forehead and something like branches on her cheekbones* "Now, shemlen, cut it. I have been told these stories since I'm three years old, and I have been telling them to the younsters myself since I'm 16." [img class="smile" src="//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/bHegDzEZPhdaLevJHLQY.png" alt="[_[" style="max-width:100%;"] Myself: "Great. So much about background-specific dialogue. Why can't my elven PC do that exposition instead?" Yeah, it always just pisses me off (there is even a mod on nexus to remove that line). I guess those dialogues were made for players who are not familiar with the lore from DAO and DA2. But if even so, the dalish inquisitor just looks stupid. (Oh, and I never even dared to bring Sera there. But I guess she would go like: Eeek! Elfy elven elf shit!!! That cannot be real!!!!! It can't!!!!!!! Demons! Elfies everywhere! Can I catcht elfyness here? Aaaaaaah! Gonna Dieeeeee!!! ) Cass is no better actually. Though Cassandra is one of my 3 favorite characters in DAI, but her only line in the Temple "How the elves could worship such nonsense?!" made me want to punch her. Really. I understand that Cass is a very religious person. So be it as I do not care, just do not impose your religion on me. But, damn, Cass, have some respect for other religions! My Dalish inquisitor has her/his own Gods, you have your own Maker. I do not laugh or insult your Maker. The very first time I've heard that line from Cassandra, was even shocked tbh.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Mar 16, 2020 20:16:26 GMT
just finished up Rhiannon's origins story
lots of people died, there were some executions...and then it was party time end-game party with everyone recruited
and a pretty shot courtesy of the wedding mod
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Post by Addictress on Mar 17, 2020 2:50:59 GMT
just finished up Rhiannon's origins story
lots of people died, there were some executions...and then it was party time end-game party with everyone recruited
and a pretty shot courtesy of the wedding mod
Going to start with Awakening tomorrow Pretty shot
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Mar 17, 2020 9:12:15 GMT
just finished up Rhiannon's origins story
lots of people died, there were some executions...and then it was party time end-game party with everyone recruited
and a pretty shot courtesy of the wedding mod
Going to start with Awakening tomorrow Pretty shot thanks
just noticed I posted this in the wrong thread (should've gone in the "what'd you do in DA today?")
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Post by Iddy on Mar 17, 2020 12:26:15 GMT
just finished up Rhiannon's origins story
lots of people died, there were some executions...and then it was party time end-game party with everyone recruited
and a pretty shot courtesy of the wedding mod
Going to start with Awakening tomorrow You might've taken the wrong turn at Albuquerque and ended up in the wrong thread
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Mar 17, 2020 13:47:40 GMT
just finished up Rhiannon's origins story
lots of people died, there were some executions...and then it was party time end-game party with everyone recruited
and a pretty shot courtesy of the wedding mod
Going to start with Awakening tomorrow You might've taken the wrong turn at Albuquerque and ended up in the wrong thread yeah I noticed I've no idea how that happened, I tend to look very carefully before posting
note to self; don't post when you're half sleepy or still have the adrenaline of finishing a game
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Post by Buckeldemon on Mar 17, 2020 16:19:16 GMT
The most important question a Dalish inquisitor can ask is "Who is Mythal?" at the eponymous temple. Then we have Morrigan continue to explain Dalish mythology, with two characters and one player fuming in the background. Solas: "Bah! All lies!" Lavellan: *points to her Vallaslin, a tree-shaped pattern on her forehead and something like branches on her cheekbones* "Now, shemlen, cut it. I have been told these stories since I'm three years old, and I have been telling them to the younsters myself since I'm 16." Myself: "Great. So much about background-specific dialogue. Why can't my elven PC do that exposition instead?" (Oh, and I never even dared to bring Sera there. But I guess she would go like: Eeek! Elfy elven elf shit!!! That cannot be real!!!!! It can't!!!!!!! Demons! Elfies everywhere! Can I catcht elfyness here? Aaaaaaah! Gonna Dieeeeee!!! ) Honestly, I never bought Minaeve's story as more than a particular(y dumb) individual case. Her clan apparently tossed out a mage once. Merrill's clan-of-birth (Alerion) does not, and the Sabrae as well. Lavellan can refute Minaeve's claims of "common practice" for their own clan. Oh, and there's Lanaya, who was born in an alienage and still got taken in and taught as a first. Furthermore, we have 1) no way to investigate Minaeve's story further and 2) given her age, she most certainly spent more time in her circle than in her clan, so she had plenty of time to take in any possible guaranteed brainwashing. Lastly, it being a common practice would be pretty stupid. If some clan is afraid of abomination apocalypse, tossing mages out is a good way to have that afraid and slightly resentful child come right back, possessed. Generally speaking, I wrote off those comments as people from anti-magic cultures spouting half-truths to prove the superiority of their own approaches. Regarding Vivvine... Wait, what? Reading that, I'm glad that my first Lavellan never recruited Vivienne. If I replay that one, I'll probably keep Madame de Fer out again. So Vivienne heard something vague about the Dalish that is not quite ridiculous derisive propaganda, and uses this to lecture Lavellan? Combined with her frequent remarks about "circle education superior, rest shit", that seems less inqusitive but more like utterly condescending to me.
Does she also go "you have no templars?!?!?!?!?" then, as she does for a Vashoth, then spouting that Vashoth mages get "treated" like followers of the Qun? It appears as both of those conversations are written to make sure Madame has the last word, with the writers not giving Lavellan/Adaar an option to rebuke her insinuations. Remembers me of certain writing blunders in Mass Effect (2 and 3), which railroad Shepard into giving eihter moronic or insensitive replies. hm yes, I tend to recruit all companions just to have a "complete set" but I'm not sure whether I'll recruit her(Vivienne) or Sera on my canon character (who will be a Lavellan) and yes Vivienne does still have a "you have no templars" talk with a Lavellan Inquisitor (my first Inky was a Lavellan and I still remember their talks) ...it's odd that I keep using Inky as the nickname for an Inquisitor despite the fact I'm not overly fond of Sera...I might change to the more common Quizzy instead Sera had one important lesson for me, even if she did not know it: Sometimes... some characters aren't necessarily worth the effort to keep around, depending on the mindset/background of my player character.
I surrendered myself to just write out 'Inquisitor' or at most shortened it to 'Inq'. No' k', no Sera assocation. The most important question a Dalish inquisitor can ask is "Who is Mythal?" at the eponymous temple. Then we have Morrigan continue to explain Dalish mythology, with two characters and one player fuming in the background. Solas: "Bah! All lies!" Lavellan: *points to her Vallaslin, a tree-shaped pattern on her forehead and something like branches on her cheekbones* "Now, shemlen, cut it. I have been told these stories since I'm three years old, and I have been telling them to the younsters myself since I'm 16." Myself: "Great. So much about background-specific dialogue. Why can't my elven PC do that exposition instead?" Yeah, it always just pisses me off (there is even a mod on nexus to remove that line). I guess those dialogues were made for players who are not familiar with the lore from DAO and DA2. But if even so, the dalish inquisitor just looks stupid. This bolded stuff. I'm not sure if this is bleeding over from Mass Effect's writing, as railroading the player into being behaving stupid is extremely common there, especially if The Illusvie Man or his cronies enter the stage, it is still annoying AF.
@ Bioware: If you have NPCs spouting debateable half-knowledge, give our PCs a chance to correct it or take a stance. If some expostion is necessary to make people understand lore, don't have NPCs push it into the face of the PC, let the PC have the exposition if they are meant to know this due to their background, i.e. a Dalish PC knowing their mythology and mages knowing stuff about magic.
Oh, you are right. There's this one conversation where she passive-aggressively tries to push Lavellan into taking the Maker into their pantheon. I bet if one would suggest the opposite to her, it would be "HERESY!!!!!" or Annulment Time™. I know that Cass is not "supposed" to be tolerant, being basically mind-raped into zealotry by the seeker rituals, but this is one of the reasons my Lavellan keeps a healthy distance and me never considering to support her for Mope.
lots of people died, there were some executions...and then it was party time I'm not sure why, but this sounds kinda awesome. Did you coined it or is it a quote?
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Mar 17, 2020 19:59:20 GMT
hm yes, I tend to recruit all companions just to have a "complete set" but I'm not sure whether I'll recruit her(Vivienne) or Sera on my canon character (who will be a Lavellan) and yes Vivienne does still have a "you have no templars" talk with a Lavellan Inquisitor (my first Inky was a Lavellan and I still remember their talks) ...it's odd that I keep using Inky as the nickname for an Inquisitor despite the fact I'm not overly fond of Sera...I might change to the more common Quizzy instead Sera had one important lesson for me, even if she did not know it: Sometimes... some characters aren't necessarily worth the effort to keep around, depending on the mindset/background of my player character.
I surrendered myself to just write out 'Inquisitor' or at most shortened it to 'Inq'. No' k', no Sera assocation. lots of people died, there were some executions...and then it was party time I'm not sure why, but this sounds kinda awesome. Did you coined it or is it a quote? 1) meh, Quizzy was the more common term before the game arrived, I'll stick with that for now
2) I coined it as you say, though it's based on something Sten says during the epilogue if you ask him if Qunari ever put on parades or have parties I always love that conversation
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Post by Sonya on Mar 17, 2020 20:47:08 GMT
This bolded stuff. I'm not sure if this is bleeding over from Mass Effect's writing, as railroading the player into being behaving stupid is extremely common there, especially if The Illusvie Man or his cronies enter the stage, it is still annoying AF. Yeah, and not only with the Illusive Man. In Mass Effect 3 there are the same annoying problems because of which Shepard looks like an idiot as well. And the players just can't do anything in DA/ME to look smart instead. Oh, you are right. There's this one conversation where she passive-aggressively tries to push Lavellan into taking the Maker into their pantheon. I bet if one would suggest the opposite to her, it would be "HERESY!!!!!" or Annulment Time™. I know that Cass is not "supposed" to be tolerant, being basically mind-raped into zealotry by the seeker rituals, but this is one of the reasons my Lavellan keeps a healthy distance and me never considering to support her for Mope. I like Cassandra, only IMO her faith makes her blind in many situations and she thinks irrational. She is really very deeep Maker-believer and such, as you have mentioned, zealotry, interferes with her rational thinking. Outside her religious stupidity, when she imposes her faith, I like her as a character. At least in the end you can hear "I know you are not a believer...". Well, that's progress.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Mar 17, 2020 23:54:11 GMT
Sera had one important lesson for me, even if she did not know it: Sometimes... some characters aren't necessarily worth the effort to keep around, depending on the mindset/background of my player character.
I surrendered myself to just write out 'Inquisitor' or at most shortened it to 'Inq'. No' k', no Sera assocation. I'm not sure why, but this sounds kinda awesome. Did you coined it or is it a quote? 1) meh, Quizzy was the more common term before the game arrived, I'll stick with that for now 2) I coined it as you say, though it's based on something Sten says during the epilogue if you ask him if Qunari ever put on parades or have parties I always love that conversation 1) Well, 'twas before me even playing DAO. 2) Ah, yes. I just watched some "Let's Play" of DAO last week that included this conversation and "The cake is a lie!". Knew it sounded familiar. This bolded stuff. I'm not sure if this is bleeding over from Mass Effect's writing, as railroading the player into being behaving stupid is extremely common there, especially if The Illusvie Man or his cronies enter the stage, it is still annoying AF. Yeah, and not only with the Illusive Man. In Mass Effect 3 there are the same annoying problems because of which Shepard looks like an idiot as well. And the players just can't do anything in DA/ME to look smart instead. TIM is just the most egregious example in ME, and he started in 2. Otherwise agree. DA2 has some pretty dumb things, but it is less dialogue and more how Hawke acts in some situations. Who else wanted to kill Petrice dead once she appears again in Act 2? Oh, you are right. There's this one conversation where she passive-aggressively tries to push Lavellan into taking the Maker into their pantheon. I bet if one would suggest the opposite to her, it would be "HERESY!!!!!" or Annulment Time™. I know that Cass is not "supposed" to be tolerant, being basically mind-raped into zealotry by the seeker rituals, but this is one of the reasons my Lavellan keeps a healthy distance and me never considering to support her for Mope. I like Cassandra, only IMO her faith makes her blind in many situations and she thinks irrational. She is really very deeep Maker-believer and such, as you have mentioned, zealotry, interferes with her rational thinking. Outside her religious stupidity, when she imposes her faith, I like her as a character. At least in the end you can hear "I know you are not a believer...". Well, that's progress. I could not make up my mind on her to be honest. At first, I was like "Oh, great that book-stabbing Chantry Gestapo b*tch again." then I went to think "Well, she's not soo bad afterall" and yet later "Okay, cannot really let go of chantry dogma. Bah." As a character, she's great, but how much "likeable" I feel her to be depends on my mood.
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Post by Sokemis on Mar 18, 2020 1:49:24 GMT
Oh, you are right. There's this one conversation where she passive-aggressively tries to push Lavellan into taking the Maker into their pantheon. I bet if one would suggest the opposite to her, it would be "HERESY!!!!!" or Annulment Time™. I know that Cass is not "supposed" to be tolerant, being basically mind-raped into zealotry by the seeker rituals, but this is one of the reasons my Lavellan keeps a healthy distance and me never considering to support her for Mope. I really, really wish there was an option for the Dalish herald to reply with something along the lines of "Isn't there space next to your Maker for the Elven Gods", instead of the conversation just ending.
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Post by Sonya on Mar 18, 2020 8:33:22 GMT
TIM is just the most egregious example in ME, and he started in 2. Otherwise agree. DA2 has some pretty dumb things, but it is less dialogue and more how Hawke acts in some situations. Who else wanted to kill Petrice dead once she appears again in Act 2? Aha, "plot demanded" is the only explanation. The same as it demanded Anders to show up in DA2 no matter what you do with him in DAA, and no matter even if you tell Cullen about his bomb (hear only Anders exclamation, nothing else happens and Hawke looks dumb because of that), the same as Liara is on your ship in ME3 (I want to kick her out, do not want to hear her whinning after certain mission, and can do nothing but just ignore her), Tali joins your team (I do not need her on my ship) etc etc etc. Devs worked really hard on that part to piss some players off for feeling "dumb" with their PC. And it is not just "Hawke/Shep is still a person, makes mistakes, has flaws", it is "Hawke/Shep looks like an idiot because plot demands Hawke/Shep to look like an idiot". I could not make up my mind on her to be honest. At first, I was like "Oh, great that book-stabbing Chantry Gestapo b*tch again." then I went to think "Well, she's not soo bad afterall" and yet later "Okay, cannot really let go of chantry dogma. Bah." As a character, she's great, but how much "likeable" I feel her to be depends on my mood. I think of her as "Cassandra has flaws, like each team member". Her flaw is very annoying for me tbh because of my attitude to religious things. Only in the end of the game she still has character development, only not in religious matters. Thus just ignore that part and enjoy her other, not religious, traits/dialogues/behavior. Annoying religious cases with Cassandra are that:. - according to her (the very first dialogue in Haven), if you do not believe in the maker - dissaprove; - talking to her while she has weapon training: if you are a dwarf/kossith/elf - you can remind her about it and even if she is not satisfied with the answer ("What?!!! The Maker only exists!!!"), the coversation ends rather well. - BUT according to her, if you are a HUMAN, you just HAVE to believe in the Maker, just have to, it is even not for debate! I have told already several times "I do not believe", only throughout the game I still get dissaproval from her telling things with the meaning "no-maker" (e.g. in the Fade). Cassandra, get a hold of yourself already and accept the fact that not all people as you are. And this one is just one example of her irrational thinking because of her religious zealotry. Outside of that, Cassandra is a great character: honest, straight, keeps her promises, ready to die for the cause (not all her good traits for me, just some examples). Just do not involve religion, Cass.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 18, 2020 11:18:55 GMT
TIM is just the most egregious example in ME, and he started in 2. Otherwise agree. DA2 has some pretty dumb things, but it is less dialogue and more how Hawke acts in some situations. Who else wanted to kill Petrice dead once she appears again in Act 2? Aha, "plot demanded" is the only explanation. The same as it demanded Anders to show up in DA2 no matter what you do with him in DAA, and no matter even if you tell Cullen about his bomb (hear only Anders exclamation, nothing else happens and Hawke looks dumb because of that), the same as Liara is on your ship in ME3 (I want to kick her out, do not want to hear her whinning after certain mission, and can do nothing but just ignore her), Tali joins your team (I do not need her on my ship) etc etc etc. Devs worked really hard on that part to piss some players off for feeling "dumb" with their PC. And it is not just "Hawke/Shep is still a person, makes mistakes, has flaws", it is "Hawke/Shep looks like an idiot because plot demands Hawke/Shep to look like an idiot". I could not make up my mind on her to be honest. At first, I was like "Oh, great that book-stabbing Chantry Gestapo b*tch again." then I went to think "Well, she's not soo bad afterall" and yet later "Okay, cannot really let go of chantry dogma. Bah." As a character, she's great, but how much "likeable" I feel her to be depends on my mood. I think of her as "Cassandra has flaws, like each team member". Her flaw is very annoying for me tbh because of my attitude to religious things. Only in the end of the game she still has character development, only not in religious matters. Thus just ignore that part and enjoy her other, not religious, traits/dialogues/behavior. Annoying religious cases with Cassandra are that:. - according to her (the very first dialogue in Haven), if you do not believe in the maker - dissaprove; - talking to her while she has weapon training: if you are a dwarf/kossith/elf - you can remind her about it and even if she is not satisfied with the answer ("What?!!! The Maker only exists!!!"), the coversation ends rather well. - BUT according to her, if you are a HUMAN, you just HAVE to believe in the Maker, just have to, it is even not for debate! I have told already several times "I do not believe", only throughout the game I still get dissaproval from her telling things with the meaning "no-maker" (e.g. in the Fade). Cassandra, get a hold of yourself already and accept the fact that not all people as you are. And this one is just one example of her irrational thinking because of her religious zealotry. That's how people are with anything they hold close to their heart. Try telling a feminist that you don't believe in Feminism's ideas. Try telling an enviromentalist that you don't believe in their cause. They will disapprove. You only think Cassandra is overreacting because you're not religious. That is a you problem, not a Cassandra problem. Also...
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Post by Sonya on Mar 19, 2020 0:01:02 GMT
That's how people are with anything they hold close to their heart. Try telling a feminist that you don't believe in Feminism's ideas. Try telling an enviromentalist that you don't believe in their cause. They will disapprove. Tried already. Dissaprove only zealots (number of such people is not small unfortunately). Normal and understanding people with their own cause are able to accept the fact that not all may support their cause and might have different from their opinion actually. Even if the topic is important for someone, "close to heart", it does not mean logic can be turned off. You only think Cassandra is overreacting because you're not religious. That is a you problem, not a Cassandra problem. If Cassandra "overreacting" by getting drunk after my words "I do not believe in the Maker" w/o insulting her religion, it is not my problem. She has her life, I have mine. I can understand and accept that, she can't. I do not insult her faith by saying "how can you believe in such nonsense", she does. It will be my problem only if I start thinking people should follow my faith or my opinion about them will change. It will be my problem if I start telling a person "your faith is nonsense". I understand other people have their own faith, accept that, and can have an opinion about that faith or actions of different people with that faith.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 19, 2020 0:04:41 GMT
You only think Cassandra is overreacting because you're not religious. That is a you problem, not a Cassandra problem. If Cassandra "overreacting" by getting drunk after my words "I do not believe in the Maker" w/o insulting her religion, it is not my problem. If you got her drunk, she disapproves a lot more about you than simply having different religious beliefs.
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Post by Sonya on Mar 19, 2020 0:28:09 GMT
If you got her drunk, she disapproves a lot more about you than simply having different religious beliefs. If "a lot more than simply having different religious beliefs", can answer about her so-called "overreaction" in a different way. Saying "I do not believe" all the time in different situations (demanding it, not just "because") + conversations about faith/chantry including telling opinion in not insulting manner/asking questions about the chantry/faith - enought to make her hostile/half-hostile (depending on situation).
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Mar 19, 2020 4:20:37 GMT
If you got her drunk, she disapproves a lot more about you than simply having different religious beliefs. If "a lot more than simply having different religious beliefs", can answer about her so-called "overreaction" in a different way. Saying "I do not believe" all the time in different situations (demanding it, not just "because") + conversations about faith/chantry including telling opinion in not insulting manner/asking questions about the chantry/faith - enought to make her hostile/half-hostile (depending on situation). I romanced Cassandra quite a bit, mostly as an elf but also as a human because she was one of my favorite companions and she never seemed to have a problem with the lack of my character's beliefs in Andrastianism. The disapproval I got from those types of responses seemed pretty mild and I still ended up in a good relationship with her. Actually the one who struck me as biggest zealot in inquisition was Sera (at least when you play as an elf).
A lot of disapproval with any of the companions will depend on many in-game decisions as well as the answers you give in conversations, it just builds up. While Cass is religious (which I find pretty understandable given DA's world), I never really saw her as anything too crazy for the setting. There had to be a lot of disapproval in other areas that got piled on if she ended up drunk in your game, as Hanako already mentioned.
EDIT: Here's some player answers that lead to her approval/disapproval. dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Cassandra_Pentaghast/Approval
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Post by Sonya on Mar 19, 2020 9:29:29 GMT
I romanced Cassandra quite a bit, mostly as an elf but also as a human because she was one of my favorite companions and she never seemed to have a problem with the lack of my character's beliefs in Andrastianism. The disapproval I got from those types of responses seemed pretty mild and I still ended up in a good relationship with her. I have mentioned that Cassandra is one of my three favorite characters in the game. I do like her, she, as any person, can believe what she wants. I always finish the game with her as a friend. She was drunk in one of my two "evil PTs" (if you can call it "evil" in DAI), in another she was hostile to me because I always mentioned the part "I do not believe" and talked to her about the chantry in not insulting form (wanted to check that part in that PT). What I don not like, game or no, if another person dissaproves me because I have different faith or do not have it at all (or unsults it - the "temple example"). Religion plays a huge part in DAI, yes, only who is Cassandra to judge me by my faith? I find it really disrespectful when Cassandra turns hostile to me because I do not beviele as she does. It is my life, not hers. Others also believe in different but there are no app/disspr dialogues with them (suspect because faith is deeply important exactly to Cassandra and she can be a Divine). That her responses were mild - I agree. Only the truth what she really thinks about you on the basis on faith will come out later - she indeed became hostile/half-hostile/cold to me in that PT (I did not talk to her about other things, left anything else for later). My life, my faith - her life, her faith. I can accept that, she simply unable to do that. Outside of all that - she is a great character with whom (+ two other people) imo you can become real friends (different faith or no - it is not important for friendship).
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Mar 19, 2020 19:58:08 GMT
I romanced Cassandra quite a bit, mostly as an elf but also as a human because she was one of my favorite companions and she never seemed to have a problem with the lack of my character's beliefs in Andrastianism. The disapproval I got from those types of responses seemed pretty mild and I still ended up in a good relationship with her. I have mentioned that Cassandra is one of my three favorite characters in the game. I do like her, she, as any person, can believe what she wants. I always finish the game with her as a friend. She was drunk in one of my two "evil PTs" (if you can call it "evil" in DAI), in another she was hostile to me because I always mentioned the part "I do not believe" and talked to her about the chantry in not insulting form (wanted to check that part in that PT). What I don not like, game or no, if another person dissaproves me because I have different faith or do not have it at all (or unsults it - the "temple example"). Religion plays a huge part in DAI, yes, only who is Cassandra to judge me by my faith? I find it really disrespectful when Cassandra turns hostile to me because I do not beviele as she does. It is my life, not hers. Others also believe in different but there are no app/disspr dialogues with them (suspect because faith is deeply important exactly to Cassandra and she can be a Divine). That her responses were mild - I agree. Only the truth what she really thinks about you on the basis on faith will come out later - she indeed became hostile/half-hostile/cold to me in that PT (I did not talk to her about other things, left anything else for later). My life, my faith - her life, her faith. I can accept that, she simply unable to do that. Outside of all that - she is a great character with whom (+ two other people) imo you can become real friends (different faith or no - it is not important for friendship). We all perceive things differently, no biggie your perspective is valid. I think the reason her temple response doesn't bother me too much is because yes, religion is a very big part of their lives, it's ingrained. For this reason I mostly try not to look at DA characters from our more modern perspective and tbh we honestly get some pretty accepting companions by Thedas standards. Cass just being able to accept my Dalish elf and even fall in love without threatening to change him spoke volumes to me. If I use Sera as an example again, I'd honestly picture most people in Thedas to be like her, (literally give you ultimatums over faith) or even worse. But yes all our companions are flawed to varying degrees, even Leliana in DA:O (who I think is a sweetie) glosses over how elves are treated in Orlais because she says they're not slaves, (can't remember the exact wording) and you can call her out on this and give her something to think about. So while I agree that Cass should've been less careless with her wording in the temple, I honestly don't believe she meant to be hurtful. Acceptance, especially in a place like Thedas can take time and Cass often more so than others can be very blunt. What I would've liked was an option to have a conversation later after her response, much like we can have with Leliana in DA:O, a missed opportunity imo. I understand where you're coming from though.
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Post by Sonya on Mar 20, 2020 6:24:16 GMT
We all perceive things differently One of the main points about which many people just forget while expressing their opinions. I think the reason her temple response doesn't bother me too much is because yes, religion is a very big part of their lives, it's ingrained. For this reason I mostly try not to look at DA characters from our more modern perspective Yeah, that is actually difficult to accept, percieve Thedas way of thinking and not to involve out real world, full of different events and another way of life. Imo for DAT a separate thread could be created for religions discussions, even a whole thesis (actually several of them) could be written - that's how important religion is and what place it takes in Thedas people's minds. Cass often more so than others can be very blunt. Tbh is is one of her charming features I really like. In combintion with excellent voicing it is just perfect. Acceptance, especially in a place like Thedas can take time and Cass often more so than others can be very blunt. And angain agree. First Cassandra is "all about religion here and there", dissaproval of other faith/no faith, things I do not like at all and think to be offensive, but at the same time understand why she acts like this, only for me it is not an excuse. But in the end, when I hear from her "I know you are not a believer... you are my friend...', it is really heart-warming. Another reason why Cassandra is one of my favorite characters in DAI with whom you indeed can become real friends inspite of different religions beliefs. She is capable of accepting it, even if I hear that part in the end of the game (finally). What I would've liked was an option to have a conversation later after her response, much like we can have with Leliana in DA:O, a missed opportunity imo. Agreed. There are many missed opportunities to talk to others about this and that, like it was in DAO. Would have been nice to have such convesations indeed.
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Post by phoray on Mar 22, 2020 4:15:55 GMT
I romanced Cass as an Elf. I pointedly asked about our religious differences in romantic conversation. And she said she was cool with the fact that I was a devout Dalish. So her comment at the temple was like cold water being dumped on the romance as it went against everything she said in personal conversation. And I consider her knee jerk reaction to the Temple to be her true feelings and the crap she said during sexy times to be rose tinted sweet talk. Unfortunately, you can't break up with her anymore by this point so.... I just head cannoned them quietly falling out of love mutually over time.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 22, 2020 7:04:51 GMT
I romanced Cass as an Elf. I pointedly asked about our religious differences in romantic conversation. And she said she was cool with the fact that I was a devout Dalish. So her comment at the temple was like cold water being dumped on the romance as it went against everything she said in personal conversation. And I consider her knee jerk reaction to the Temple to be her true feelings and the crap she said during sexy times to be rose tinted sweet talk. Unfortunately, you can't break up with her anymore by this point so.... I just head cannoned them quietly falling out of love mutually over time. Or you know, her saying that if in a romance is an oversight (this is the same section that has a Dalish character have an option to ask who Mythal is) and her comments during the romance are her true feelings in that playthrough.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 22, 2020 7:21:31 GMT
Also, doesn’t she only say that if you choose to do the puzzles? So when you decide to take time that means who knows how many Inquisition and allied forces are dying? If so, I don’t think badly on her for calling it nonsense in that situation since yeah obviously people’s lives would be more important to her than a ritual for a religion she doesn’t believe in. She doesn’t even have patience for her own faith in those situations.
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Post by Quickpaw on Mar 22, 2020 17:55:26 GMT
Also, doesn’t she only say that if you choose to do the puzzles? So when you decide to take time that means who knows how many Inquisition and allied forces are dying? If so, I don’t think badly on her for calling it nonsense in that situation since yeah obviously people’s lives would be more important to her than a ritual for a religion she doesn’t believe in. She doesn’t even have patience for her own faith in those situations. I think the game should have made it more clear that doing the ritual was having a tangible negative impact. I mean, there's no downside to doing it in terms of gameplay OR story, beyond "Our soldiers are dying out there buying us time!" But are they worse off if we have to slog through Samson's rear forces? The puzzle is a guaranteed way in swiftly AND (meta) gains you another shortcut and allies, whereas you could easily get bogged down in trench-type fights, not even making it to Sampson in time. It was presented as this big moral choice, when really it wasn't.
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Post by melbella on Mar 22, 2020 18:34:09 GMT
But are they worse off if we have to slog through Samson's rear forces? That was my reaction the first time I went the "jump into the hole" route. How exactly am I saving time by having to fight all these guys to get to my goal? In fact, I think it actually took me longer. Better to save strength/resources of your team by avoiding as much fighting as possible before getting to the Well.
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