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Post by chonma on May 23, 2020 8:45:11 GMT
quarians being organic, i do think the dragon-teeth method would still work to turn them into husk. They barely spend their time outside the fleet though. Everyone was told about the Reapers but barely anyone saw anything convincing enough to believe. If you mean attacking Rannoch mid-Reaper war then source because the only detailed supposed chronology of events I saw puts the quarian attack on Rannoch before the Reaper invasion on Palaven and Earth. I suppose they do but that's just my intuition and can't provide any source. They're knows to have put information on the extranet when they told that salarian cult that the stars above some planet lok like their goddess. No technical problem giving it a shot and forwarding their knowledge about Reapers. Vigil claims the rear guard Reaper controls the galaxy periodically and makes sure it doesn't happen. Wonder where the 50k cycle idea is from though, civilizations reaching the space should be a memory-less process. It doesn't need driving a platform to the Citadel, just put all you have on the extranet in an anyway probably futile attempt to convince someone. Thanks, it' a rare one. I lost the only full-res copy. they don't spend lof ot time outside their fleet, but if reapers forces manage to enter inside the ships (just pour some reaper forces inside big capsules, and launch thoose capsules with enough velocity on quarrians ships, and if one capsule does penetrate without being completely desintegrated: then the capsule's content will be able to exit it and be in the quarian ship.) well, in my opinion, sovereign was a good enough proof of reaper's existance, if they still don't believe in the reaper invasion after seing one reaper trying to eat them up, then they are just blind. for the exact chronology it's hard to tell exactly, but you do the missions on rannoch after the missions on palaven and tuchanka, so when you reach the quarian fleet, they should (if they stay informed) know that it's no longuer time for such "little" wars, but it's time to prepair for a bigger war, and that if turians, krogans, and some part of the salarians (the GSI at least) began to work together....it mean the threat posed by reaper is really important. so yeah, the attack might have been done slightly before the reaper full scale invasion, but since the geth where in a defensive position to hold rannoch, they would probably not have run after the quarrians if they decided to retreat (and when shepard + legion interrupted the geth network to give an opening ot the quarrians, shepard told the quarians admirals that they where supposed to use this opportunity to run away, but quarians did not, they wanted to use this opportunity to kill more geths) and since shepard was in good term with legion, quarrians could have used shepard to be a negociator and to initiate a ceasefire/an armistice. but most quarrians admiral did not wanted that, they wanted to roast some toasters. yeah, but the reaper rear-guard cannot be everywhere at once, so, there might have been ways for the consensus to stay stealth enough (by keeping stuff underground) we know that during the last mission on ME1, we do find an old prothean installation that managed to stay hidden from the reaper's eyes [also, we know, judging by the size and ammount of reapers that we see during the earth battle at the end of ME3, comparing them to the size of earth, that the entire volume of ressources aivable in one planet might be superior to the entire volume of ressources that constitute the reaper fleet, so, if the geth consensus stay hidden in one planet that is geologically dead, that is big enough and just "eat" it from the inside to build a shit-ton of war units constantly, they will be able to make something able to kick reaper's asses before the leftover organic species manage to reach the space-age]. as for the 50K years, i don't remember if it's told by the prothean IV you find on asari's world, if it's by liara tsoni's deduction, or if it's through some dialogues made by the child-hologram projected by the reapers. but i do remember it was question of regular 50K years cycles in ME trilogy. as for giving informations using extranets....well, the concil would react to it in the exact same way as IRL politicians react to stuff they disagree with on the internet, aka "no it's wrong, it's just fake news, just make it illegal, censor it, and don't talk about this subject" and they would probably blame any specie they dislike for being the origin of it (i already imagine the concil blaming fictive krogans "hackers" for that, and accusing every single person who talk about this subject of being a cerberus agent )
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Post by Sonya on May 23, 2020 9:34:29 GMT
I am sorry to interfere here, but would like to add. They barely spend their time outside the fleet though. When it comes down to questions "What happened?!" in terms of losing the war, every time we hear "spies!". Though the reaper AI is a moron imo, the reapers use spies everywhere. Javik's race was destroyed because of that, in James's story there are spies, in Shepard's story there are spies. And I am sure races before had the same "spy" probleme. That is how reapers work. How do the reaper do that? So spending time outside the fleet does not mean spies can't be sent there doing thier job. It is a real possibility the quarians could be destroyed from inside. Hiding won't help. Everyone was told about the Reapers but barely anyone saw anything convincing enough to believe. If you mean attacking Rannoch mid-Reaper war then source because the only detailed supposed chronology of events I saw puts the quarian attack on Rannoch before the Reaper invasion on Palaven and Earth. It is an interesting note. And a stupid one but from devs (not you, just in case). We hear "No reaper, no help". Though at the same time we hear "we can't help while the reapers are knocking at our door". So they do not trust you, can't help you, but still tell that the reapers are destroying their homes. From the game events it is a real mess which just complicates thing. They're knows to have put information on the extranet when they told that salarian cult that the stars above some planet lok like their goddess. No technical problem giving it a shot and forwarding their knowledge about Reapers. So why did they send Legion to look for Shepard? The geth wanted to do something to cooperate, but used logic (evolving for now). Turns out just sending the data did not work. Would you trust the enemy in that case yourself? It could be a trap. Personal communacation was the best option according to their logic. And not with a bunch of idiots, but with a person who actuallt knew what was going on and could help establishing connections and help the geth convincing they are not enemies.
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Post by chonma on May 23, 2020 9:44:57 GMT
I am sorry to interfere here, but would like to add. They barely spend their time outside the fleet though. When it comes down to questions "What happened?!" in terms of losing the war, every time we hear "spies!".Though the reaper AI is a moron imo, the reapers use spies everywhere. Javik's race was destroyed because of that, in James's story there are spies, in Shepard's story there are spies. And I am sure races before had the same "spy" probleme. That is how reapers work. How do the reaper do that? So spending time outside the fleet does not mean spies can't be sent there doing thier job. It is a real possibility the quarians could be destroyed from inside. Hiding won't help. (sorry, i could not resist) more seriously, we also know that reapers does have wireless communication means and that they are able to assume direct control over lots of stuff. on top of that we know that in every society, there's rotten people who are egoistic enough to sell their own relatives for a bit of temporary comfort, so, not hard to see how reapers manage to get collaboration.
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Post by burningcherry on May 23, 2020 9:51:34 GMT
The utilitarian reason to choose quarians above geth is that they're practically impossible to indoctrinate on their fleet while the geth already become "indoctrinated" voluntarily twice. The first case was retconned as a fraction's doing and the rest is only guilty for letting them go and not informing the galaxy about them or the Reapers, the second case is much more troubling. Submitting to the Reapers is never a way of self-preservation (unless in a Reaper form but that's a dubious way of thinking), they only chose to die fighting for the Reapers instead of dying fighting for themselves. As such, they've reached the bottom of reliability. People like to bring up Gerrel's barrage on the dreadnought all while forgetting which side of that conflict kept attacking us for the past 3 games. To chose the Geth is a risk (you explained why), though quarians still can be indoctrinated (almost impossible does not mean imposssible at all). So it is also a risk. […] Taking the quarians from utilitarian point of view is also a huge risk. They are organics, and one of organics characteristic - to be irrational in some cases. Such situation is demonstrated to us. Same risk as inherent to asking any organic race to help, except the Leviathan. Far less than wanting synthetics among whom indoctrination spreads like a virus and have proved to have no problems with siding with the Reapers. Asking you too for a source that the attack on Rannoch happened already during the Reaper invasion because the game doesn't say it and gets as close as possible to saying otherwise. Making friends with Reapers is never a way out. I'd tell the geth to die if it was this or becoming husks and doing harm on the rest that still decided to fight. I tell this to Saren every time. They barely spend their time outside the fleet though. Everyone was told about the Reapers but barely anyone saw anything convincing enough to believe. If you mean attacking Rannoch mid-Reaper war then source because the only detailed supposed chronology of events I saw puts the quarian attack on Rannoch before the Reaper invasion on Palaven and Earth. I suppose they do but that's just my intuition and can't provide any source. They're knows to have put information on the extranet when they told that salarian cult that the stars above some planet lok like their goddess. No technical problem giving it a shot and forwarding their knowledge about Reapers. Vigil claims the rear guard Reaper controls the galaxy periodically and makes sure it doesn't happen. Wonder where the 50k cycle idea is from though, civilizations reaching the space should be a memory-less process. It doesn't need driving a platform to the Citadel, just put all you have on the extranet in an anyway probably futile attempt to convince someone. Thanks, it' a rare one. I lost the only full-res copy. they don't spend lof ot time outside their fleet, but if reapers forces manage to enter inside the ships (just pour some reaper forces inside big capsules, and launch thoose capsules with enough velocity on quarrians ships, and if one capsule does penetrate without being completely desintegrated: then the capsule's content will be able to exit it and be in the quarian ship.) And it won't do anything because indoctrination of organics doesn't spread physically (we'd have a repetition of Halo's Flood otherwise) but requires being submitted to a field for a long period. Doing this post-Sovereign is so obviously futile I don't even talk about it but rather about sharing the locations of exhibits (like the dead Reaper) during the decades between Sovereign's activation and emergence. It's take it or lose hope forever for them at that point. Sustaining Reaper war loses without their planet is a death blow. Not if the relays register them. (I'm just thinking up a reason why no one succeeded at this ever because obviously no one did and it's a good question why) I also think it's like that and that it makes not much sense. Even in our times, the yahg are about to rise.
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Post by Sonya on May 23, 2020 9:53:47 GMT
but it seems that his lack of understanding prevented this from happening (making garrus completely thot-proof) Oh, not to worry. Even with Tali/Garrus romances, after Shepard's death Garrus won't be alone for long - Tali is right there making her "thot" moves (to hell that Shepard, he is dead anyway). ---- Tali is flirting ALL the time (Tali romance/Garrus romance). Your Shep can just stand near her and listen to those dialogues (thus angry comments). Garrus does not flirt AT ALL. Tali tries to seduce him but he is flirt-proof person and dedicatied to Shep even in words unlike Tali. With no Tali/Garrus romances Tali still flirts. Garrus talks as usual. Just in the end there are some additional lines but not "flirting-type". In the end ONLY w/o romances you can watch that hilarious scene in Garrus room where Garrus finally says something "flirting and more sex connected" as well as Tali btw. From that "dialogue I hear only "sleep with each other" w/o any emotional connections.
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Post by burningcherry on May 23, 2020 10:03:18 GMT
I am sorry to interfere here, but would like to add. They barely spend their time outside the fleet though. When it comes down to questions "What happened?!" in terms of losing the war, every time we hear "spies!". Though the reaper AI is a moron imo, the reapers use spies everywhere. Javik's race was destroyed because of that, in James's story there are spies, in Shepard's story there are spies. And I am sure races before had the same "spy" probleme. That is how reapers work. How do the reaper do that? So spending time outside the fleet does not mean spies can't be sent there doing thier job. It is a real possibility the quarians could be destroyed from inside. Hiding won't help. It requires a set of cirsumstances for this to work. In the case of batarians and hanar, higher-ups with fingers on the switches needed to be indoctrinated. With Protheans, someone who gained access to the Crucible had to sabotage it. James was directly sold to the Collectors by someone not even indoctrinated but just wicked. Any race carries a risk of indoctrination but quarians by far the least. I can't read from context who you mean. The turian stance on krogans? The will to disbelieve in Reapers despite evidence was apparent only post-ME1, I mean pre-ME1 times.
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Post by chonma on May 23, 2020 10:17:03 GMT
To chose the Geth is a risk (you explained why), though quarians still can be indoctrinated (almost impossible does not mean imposssible at all). So it is also a risk. […] Taking the quarians from utilitarian point of view is also a huge risk. They are organics, and one of organics characteristic - to be irrational in some cases. Such situation is demonstrated to us. Same risk as inherent to asking any organic race to help, except the Leviathan. Far less than wanting synthetics among whom indoctrination spreads like a virus and have proved to have no problems with siding with the Reapers. Asking you too for a source that the attack on Rannoch happened already during the Reaper invasion because the game doesn't say it and gets as close as possible to saying otherwise. Making friends with Reapers is never a way out. I'd tell the geth to die if it was this or becoming husks and doing harm on the rest that still decided to fight. I tell this to Saren every time. they don't spend lof ot time outside their fleet, but if reapers forces manage to enter inside the ships (just pour some reaper forces inside big capsules, and launch thoose capsules with enough velocity on quarrians ships, and if one capsule does penetrate without being completely desintegrated: then the capsule's content will be able to exit it and be in the quarian ship.) And it won't do anything because indoctrination of organics doesn't spread physically (we'd have a repetition of Halo's Flood otherwise) but requires being submitted to a field for a long period. Doing this post-Sovereign is so obviously futile I don't even talk about it but rather about sharing the locations of exhibits (like the dead Reaper) during the decades between Sovereign's activation and emergence. It's take it or lose hope forever for them at that point. Sustaining Reaper war loses without their planet is a death blow. Not if the relays register them. (I'm just thinking up a reason why no one succeeded at this ever because obviously no one did and it's a good question why) I also think it's like that and that it makes not much sense. Even in our times, the yahg are about to rise. if you manage to use such method as i have described to make forces enter into a ship, then, nothing prevent thoose forces from applying the dragon-teeth method to turn the deads and the prisoners into husks. if the indoctrination is made through wavelenghts and energy fields (like the monolith does turn people crazy in dead space) then, being in a quarian spaceship with the very thin spacesuit will not really help against it. (reapers will just need to stick emetors on quarrians ships, or even better: just assign one reaper to just follow the quarrian fleet from close enough for it's field to affect the fleet, but not engage them, just follow them and continue to emmit his waves) wasting that much ressources just for this giant rock (that is half desertic btw) that is rannoch doesn't make sense to me. there are a lot of colonies far more suited. (just go into the terminus sector and steal one colony-planet from the batarians, no one would support batarians anyway ) of course using relays would not be an option. but staying over one planet (or, maximum, one solar system) without reapers noticing stuff would not be impossible. (if protheans managed to have an underground installation and few stuff there and there that reapers never found and never destroyed...it does mean there's way to keep stuff hidden) for exemple, imagine a planet similar to our mars planet (good size, good amount of mineral ressources, geologically "dead" meaning very few internal heat and so, possible to go dig very deep without being burned) : on such planet, the consensus could stay hidden underground, and just literally "eat" the biggest volume of matter possible underground to build a loooooots of stuff, but keeping the surface untouched. (basically, something a bit similar to what mankind does in an anime called "gurenn lagann") well, reapers doesn't make sense anyway (theyr method of solving the organic VS synthetic coexistance is completely wtf: they could have accomplished the synthesis long time ago, but preferred to harvest countless species just for the lul, so, they are just irrationnal )
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Post by burningcherry on May 23, 2020 10:27:13 GMT
Same risk as inherent to asking any organic race to help, except the Leviathan. Far less than wanting synthetics among whom indoctrination spreads like a virus and have proved to have no problems with siding with the Reapers. Asking you too for a source that the attack on Rannoch happened already during the Reaper invasion because the game doesn't say it and gets as close as possible to saying otherwise. Making friends with Reapers is never a way out. I'd tell the geth to die if it was this or becoming husks and doing harm on the rest that still decided to fight. I tell this to Saren every time. And it won't do anything because indoctrination of organics doesn't spread physically (we'd have a repetition of Halo's Flood otherwise) but requires being submitted to a field for a long period. Doing this post-Sovereign is so obviously futile I don't even talk about it but rather about sharing the locations of exhibits (like the dead Reaper) during the decades between Sovereign's activation and emergence. It's take it or lose hope forever for them at that point. Sustaining Reaper war loses without their planet is a death blow. Not if the relays register them. (I'm just thinking up a reason why no one succeeded at this ever because obviously no one did and it's a good question why) I also think it's like that and that it makes not much sense. Even in our times, the yahg are about to rise. if you manage to use such method as i have described to make forces enter into a ship, then, nothing prevent thoose forces from applying the dragon-teeth method to turn the deads and the prisoners into husks. Fire from other ships does prevent it. And pulling this off is more difficult than huskifying any planetary colony and more costly than just attacking the fleet the old way. The range of dreadnought fire is in tens of thousands kilometers. Doubt indoctrination works on such distances, otherwise directly assaulting planets would not be necessary. It was nowhere explained why but apparently this rock means a lot since it's recorded on the galaxy map that they were willing to settle on something else when there was a possibility and ships were sent to unexplored regions specifically to find something after the Council denied them that planet. Not this scale, the Prothean bunker has maybe a few hundred people who feared sending a word to the outside. +1
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Post by chonma on May 23, 2020 10:30:40 GMT
but it seems that his lack of understanding prevented this from happening (making garrus completely thot-proof) Oh, not to worry. Even with Tali/Garrus romances, after Shepard's death Garrus won't be alone for long - Tali is right there making her "thot" moves (to hell that Shepard, he is dead anyway). ---- Tali is flirting ALL the time (Tali romance/Garrus romance). Your Shep can just stand near her and listen to those dialogues (thus angry comments). Garrus does not flirt AT ALL. Tali tries to seduce him but he is flirt-proof person and dedicatied to Shep even in words unlike Tali. With no Tali/Garrus romances Tali still flirts. Garrus talks as usual. Just in the end there are some additional lines but not "flirting-type". In the end ONLY w/o romances you can watch that hilarious scene in Garrus room where Garrus finally says something "flirting and more sex connected" as well as Tali btw. From that "dialogue I hear only "sleep with each other" w/o any emotional connections. okay! so, it seems i took the right decisions (because if i kept tali alive, she would have tryed thot mooves to get garrus, but seeing how infidel she is, she would probably have ended cheating on garrus, and i don't wish for garrus to be cheated-on/ntr-ed. so, by not having kept tali alive: i saved garrus from being this thot's prey, and with a bit of luck, he will maybe, someday, meet a lady that will take care of his heart)
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Post by LadyofNemesis on May 23, 2020 10:35:17 GMT
I've got the whole "Tali flirting" vid here that Sonya references in case you're interested
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Post by chonma on May 23, 2020 10:53:36 GMT
if you manage to use such method as i have described to make forces enter into a ship, then, nothing prevent thoose forces from applying the dragon-teeth method to turn the deads and the prisoners into husks. Fire from other ships does prevent it. And pulling this off is more difficult than huskifying any planetary colony and more costly than just attacking the fleet the old way. The range of dreadnought fire is in tens of thousands kilometers. Doubt indoctrination works on such distances, otherwise directly assaulting planets would not be necessary. It was nowhere explained why but apparently this rock means a lot since it's recorded on the galaxy map that they were willing to settle on something else when there was a possibility and ships were sent to unexplored regions specifically to find something after the Council denied them that planet. Not this scale, the Prothean bunker has maybe a few hundred people who feared sending a word to the outside. +1 shooting big metallic balls fulls of husk doesn't seem that hard to me then, just stick few emetors to the quarians ships. yes, the council denied them few colonies, this is why i specifically talked about the terminus systems (because if you take a colony planet from an non-popular and really hated specie, like batarians or vorchas for exemple: no one in the council is gonna complain or moove a finger to change it, no one in the council would want to help a batarian or a vorcha colony) settling your homeland in an area full of militarly powerfull civilisations that work more or less together is difficult, but settling your homeland into a poor and weak area that big military powers doesn't care about is far easyer. since geth are synthetic, there are far less things that they need to be kept alive, so, a giant underground network of caves, with just mines and factories inside, without any communication with anything outside could work. (and for the energy needed, they have multiple options: either little nuclear reactors inside of their cave network, or just burn any fossile stuff found during the digging. they could also increase their furtivity by making geth platform on a smaller scale (instead of quarrian-scale platform, just build geth platform on a ant-scale, far less powerfull per platform of course, but would allow to let some platform get up on the planet surface and give a look at what's going on, without being seen. (and basically geth forming something similar to ant super-colonies in earth 's ground, but on a bigger scale)
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Post by chonma on May 23, 2020 10:54:20 GMT
I've got the whole "Tali flirting" vid here that Sonya references in case you're interested thank you! i will watch it!
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Post by Sonya on May 23, 2020 11:12:34 GMT
(sorry, i could not resist) I am really sorry, but have never understood such images...Understand only words and alive communication. Though on top of that we know that in every society, there's rotten people who are egoistic enough to sell their own relatives for a bit of temporary comfort, so, not hard to see how reapers manage to get collaboration. the world is full of such cases, similar situantions ruining everything. Same risk as inherent to asking any organic race to help, except the Leviathan. Far less than wanting synthetics among whom indoctrination spreads like a virus and have proved to have no problems with siding with the Reapers. Yes, The risk is still present. That it is less risky - one thing. The main point - it still can happen. So you just chose less risky race. Clear. Asking you too for a source that the attack on Rannoch happened already during the Reaper invasion because the game doesn't say it and gets as close as possible to saying otherwise. Logic is enough to understand what had happened. The law "Do not provoke the geth". The quarians know that and attacking the geth means other races will punish the quarians. They know that. As a Spectre we get add nfo "Where are the quarians?". So the quarians know the law but still try to retake their home. They chose a very convenient moment to do that. Thus they knew something was going on and other races were busy with something else, e.g. reapers. As for sources - logic is the source here. Making friends with Reapers is never a way out. In such case - understood. Better let your whole race die is another option. Any race carries a risk of indoctrination but quarians by far the least. Still a risk. I can't read from context who you mean. The turian stance on krogans? The whole ME3 game - that is what I mean. During the whole game it happens. The will to disbelieve in Reapers despite evidence was apparent only post-ME1, I mean pre-ME1 times. What are you talking about? I wrote it regarding the post of yours "sent info" - "do not trust the enemy": that idea you have proposed would not have worked. --- Just to clarify some moments to simplify other things. As I understand you favor the quarians anyway and do not trust the geth? What about Legion if you don't mind me asking? I mean leave him there, in ME3 chose the quarians. Period.
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Post by Sonya on May 23, 2020 11:17:58 GMT
well, reapers doesn't make sense anyway (theyr method of solving the organic VS synthetic coexistance is completely wtf: they could have accomplished the synthesis long time ago, but preferred to harvest countless species just for the lul, so, they are just irrationnal ) Aha, that reaper AI is an idiot, like its creators anywway. Hope after the war others killed those last cowards. What a mess.
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Post by chonma on May 23, 2020 11:20:24 GMT
(sorry, i could not resist) I am really sorry, but have never understood such images...Understand only words and alive communication. Though the picture was a spy from TFII, i sent it because you talked about how reapers knew how to use spies to weaken their preys from the inside, so, it reminded me of TFII matches, and i though it was the appropriate moment to put a meme-like picture of a TFII spy.
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Post by chonma on May 23, 2020 12:17:13 GMT
well, reapers doesn't make sense anyway (theyr method of solving the organic VS synthetic coexistance is completely wtf: they could have accomplished the synthesis long time ago, but preferred to harvest countless species just for the lul, so, they are just irrationnal ) Aha, that reaper AI is an idiot, like its creators anywway. Hope after the war others killed those last cowards. What a mess. depend wich end happened. if it's destruction or controll, it's plausible. if it's synthesis, then everyone is udapted and the percentage of dumb people does decrease.
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Post by Sonya on May 23, 2020 12:36:01 GMT
depend wich end happened. if it's destruction or controll, it's plausible. if it's synthesis, then everyone is udapted and the percentage of dumb people does decrease. Tbh, I've played this game so many times that choose the ending with the thought "Hhhmm, what color I have not seen for a long time....Blue? Ah, Ok. Control". If thinking of it: Red? I have a gun. Why not use it to kill those MFs. If trust that thing-boy - destroy at the same time culture and knowledge of ancient races. But who cares? The main thing is to win a war. Blue? A thought of having a whole fleet under my control is really tempting. Plus I think that thing-boy did not tell everything. Shepard talked to it twice at least. Thus I can talk to my friends as well even with changes and another purpose. Green? Can't understand it at all. But another universe. What if it is indeed the "best ending"? Do not judge ME by our laws. To have another DNA or RNA might be useful. But to think of that - the most strange and creepy ending.
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Post by chonma on May 23, 2020 13:10:03 GMT
depend wich end happened. if it's destruction or controll, it's plausible. if it's synthesis, then everyone is udapted and the percentage of dumb people does decrease. Tbh, I've played this game so many times that choose the ending with the thought "Hhhmm, what color I have not seen for a long time....Blue? Ah, Ok. Control". If thinking of it: Red? I have a gun. Why not use it to kill those MFs. If trust that thing-boy - destroy at the same time culture and knowledge of ancient races. But who cares? The main thing is to win a war. Blue? A thought of having a whole fleet under my control is really tempting. Plus I think that thing-boy did not tell everything. Shepard talked to it twice at least. Thus I can talk to my friends as well even with changes and another purpose. Green? Can't understand it at all. But another universe. What if it is indeed the "best ending"? Do not judge ME by our laws. To have another DNA or RNA might be useful. But to think of that - the most strange and creepy ending. personally i m a bit more of a green dude. to explain, i will self-quote stuff from one of my previous post: " -destruction has the pro of staying personally alive, but the con of not solving at all the synthetic vs organic issue + destroying current synthetics (so, killing geths and EDI)+ damaging tech in general (so, lots of damage to fix) [and i could not accept to yeet the geths and EDI, i do appreciate them too much for doing that] -control has the pro of not being completely dead (spirit still exist) but the con is that i cannot interract properly with anyone anyway, so, for them it's like if i was dead. and for me, it's an eternity of loneliness. -synthetis has the pro of solving the issue completely, on the long run, and to minimalise the casualties + to make the complete galaxy enter into a golden-age, the only con is that i must die since death is not that much worse compared to an eternity of loneliness, control doesn't make that much sense (exept for people who can be happy by the simple fact of controlling reapers and their forces) so, on the global/collective scale, green end is the best thing to do. so, i decided to commit sacrifice for the greater good [ happy_tau_noise.mp3] "
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on May 23, 2020 13:54:58 GMT
Maybe the definition of the word "whoring oneself" does its job. For me "whoring" does not only mean sleeping with people. Flirting with others while you have relationship with another person is also "whoring". Maybe you know about the following and saw and heard it yourself. There are vids in the internet where Tali is flirting over the comm (for me "whoring") with Garrus. If they both are not romanced, fine. But male Shepard is standing near the love of his life listening how she (Tali) is flirting with another one? There are three vids with hell of angry comments about it. Male players are angry at Garrus, female - at Tali. I did not make it up and it is not some fantasy of my own. It is obvious Tali IS flirting. And obvious not only for me. But I just use the term "whoring" (explained why). Serious business, you know. For me, as a person, such behavior is unacceptable if Tali is my LI (guess I should have picked...ahh...nobody) or Garrus is my LI (from Tali it is a backstab, nothing else). I will have you all sit through one of Mordin's sessions After some events they anyway deserved it, Shepard is smart to tell that. general call over the Comm system. Yep, it is indeed very funny. Bottom line of it: there is nothing to be shocked about. Sonya, I was only teasing. I'm sorry. I thought that was a given by the emojis I chose. But yes, I know I've heard Tali/Garrus' conversations over the Comm when she's in Engineering, so I'm not shocked really either with their behaviour or what you had said. Again, I was only teasing. I'm sorry.
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Post by Sonya on May 23, 2020 14:38:28 GMT
personally i m a bit more of a green dude. to explain, i will self-quote stuff from one of my previous post: Yes, remember this post. As have mentioned - green ending might be the best even w/o full understanding of it. Sonya, I was only teasing. I'm sorry. I thought that was a given by the emojis I chose. But yes, I know I've heard Tali/Garrus' conversations over the Comm when she's in Engineering, so I'm not shocked really either with their behaviour or what you had said. Again, I was only teasing. I'm sorry. Ahh, don't be. I am simply "alive conversation" person. Most of the time do not understand "emojis", and do not use them myself even if there are emotions on my behalf. Everything is fine. Really. But thanks anyway.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on May 23, 2020 15:50:48 GMT
personally i m a bit more of a green dude. to explain, i will self-quote stuff from one of my previous post: Yes, remember this post. As have mentioned - green ending might be the best even w/o full understanding of it. Sonya, I was only teasing. I'm sorry. I thought that was a given by the emojis I chose. But yes, I know I've heard Tali/Garrus' conversations over the Comm when she's in Engineering, so I'm not shocked really either with their behaviour or what you had said. Again, I was only teasing. I'm sorry. Ahh, don't be. I am simply "alive conversation" person. Most of the time do not understand "emojis", and do not use them myself even if there are emotions on my behalf. Everything is fine. Really. But thanks anyway.
You're welcome. my pleasure. Glad we could clear up any potential misunderstanding. But I completely understand, and I totally agree; I'm much more a 'face to face, talk in person' kinda person myself. Have a great day!
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Post by burningcherry on May 23, 2020 20:08:57 GMT
Fire from other ships does prevent it. And pulling this off is more difficult than huskifying any planetary colony and more costly than just attacking the fleet the old way. The range of dreadnought fire is in tens of thousands kilometers. Doubt indoctrination works on such distances, otherwise directly assaulting planets would not be necessary. It was nowhere explained why but apparently this rock means a lot since it's recorded on the galaxy map that they were willing to settle on something else when there was a possibility and ships were sent to unexplored regions specifically to find something after the Council denied them that planet. Not this scale, the Prothean bunker has maybe a few hundred people who feared sending a word to the outside. +1 shooting big metallic balls fulls of husk doesn't seem that hard to me then, just stick few emetors to the quarians ships. yes, the council denied them few colonies, this is why i specifically talked about the terminus systems (because if you take a colony planet from an non-popular and really hated specie, like batarians or vorchas for exemple: no one in the council is gonna complain or moove a finger to change it, no one in the council would want to help a batarian or a vorcha colony) settling your homeland in an area full of militarly powerfull civilisations that work more or less together is difficult, but settling your homeland into a poor and weak area that big military powers doesn't care about is far easyer. We know from example they'd do if there was an option good enough to risk being targetable by orbital bombardment. I'm in a sad position of needing to find a way why it has to be impossible since the patterns of civilization emergence repeated themselves over millions of years and nothing but Leviathan succeeded yet at hiding. Might be that any large-scale activity just shows up with radio and heat emissions. Asking you too for a source that the attack on Rannoch happened already during the Reaper invasion because the game doesn't say it and gets as close as possible to saying otherwise. Logic is enough to understand what had happened. The law "Do not provoke the geth". The quarians know that and attacking the geth means other races will punish the quarians. They know that. As a Spectre we get add nfo "Where are the quarians?". So the quarians know the law but still try to retake their home. They chose a very convenient moment to do that. Thus they knew something was going on and other races were busy with something else, e.g. reapers. As for sources - logic is the source here. The reasoning goes like that: Priority: Earth occurs no earlier than Taetrus's fall on September 28. The main events of ME2 occur in 2185, so beginning early December at latest given the number of missions and day-night cycles. Jacob says that Shepard was out for 2 years and 12 days and since it's 2185 already, ME1 had to end semi-late October 2183 or earlier (one month for patrolling the space before being shot down, as reported). Tali says it was 3 years to the day when you meet her on the Citadel after the war, setting the moment for not later than late October 2186. There were 17 days between the attack on Rannoch and Priority: Geth Dreadnought. There's a very little time window to insist the attack occured before it was known that the Reapers attacked, and if you assume ME1 lasted more than two weeks, it becomes obvious that this was not the case. Right. ME3 can be summed up as "help them with eternal conflicts or bullshit that just happened to occur so they will help but only the moment they do your past fleet gathering actions begin to retroactively make sense". Boils down to the kind of evidence they posessed. If there was something physical then it's difficult because sending it means losing it. If it was info, you shouldn't expect many to believe but sharing it is no harm. I wouldn't bet the entire war effort on geth but then I wouldn't bet it on anyone but turians. I do not expect to be betrayed by geth, just wouldn't rely on them. Legion is different though, he fights the Consensus when they're wrong.
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Post by Sonya on May 23, 2020 20:54:27 GMT
The reasoning goes like that: Priority: Earth occurs no earlier than Taetrus's fall on September 28. The main events of ME2 occur in 2185, so beginning early December at latest given the number of missions and day-night cycles. Jacob says that Shepard was out for 2 years and 12 days and since it's 2185 already, ME1 had to end semi-late October 2183 or earlier (one month for patrolling the space before being shot down, as reported). Tali says it was 3 years to the day when you meet her on the Citadel after the war, setting the moment for not later than late October 2186. There were 17 days between the attack on Rannoch and Priority: Geth Dreadnought. There's a very little time window to insist the attack occured before it was known that the Reapers attacked, and if you assume ME1 lasted more than two weeks, it becomes obvious that this was not the case. Will not argue with these numbers/dates/events. Though my concern is that devs themselves are good at making a mess in everything, including even planet descriptions in M1/3. Even if some calculations are true, for me at least, such "reasoning" is not a a source I can rely upon because of "mess". Thus use that logic in general. You use infromation from the game. Different opinions with explanations. Right. ME3 can be summed up as "help them with eternal conflicts or bullshit that just happened to occur so they will help but only the moment they do your past fleet gathering actions begin to retroactively make sense". Yes is does make sense. Thank you for sum up. In this case of "bullshit" explanation is the same as above (only forgot to add ME2). No harm? It would do nothng at all. The council "does not trust it", will shut that info down, will do everything to calm others down. In ME2 we already heard about "the geth are responsable, no data avalable about a reaper". Direct approach is better according to the geth logic, thus we see Legion in ME2. I wouldn't bet the entire war effort on geth but then I wouldn't bet it on anyone but turians. I do not expect to be betrayed by geth, just wouldn't rely on them. Legion is different though, he fights the Consensus when they're wrong. Merci.
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Post by burningcherry on May 24, 2020 4:55:52 GMT
The reasoning goes like that: Priority: Earth occurs no earlier than Taetrus's fall on September 28. The main events of ME2 occur in 2185, so beginning early December at latest given the number of missions and day-night cycles. Jacob says that Shepard was out for 2 years and 12 days and since it's 2185 already, ME1 had to end semi-late October 2183 or earlier (one month for patrolling the space before being shot down, as reported). Tali says it was 3 years to the day when you meet her on the Citadel after the war, setting the moment for not later than late October 2186. There were 17 days between the attack on Rannoch and Priority: Geth Dreadnought. There's a very little time window to insist the attack occured before it was known that the Reapers attacked, and if you assume ME1 lasted more than two weeks, it becomes obvious that this was not the case. Will not argue with these numbers/dates/events. Though my concern is that devs themselves are good at making a mess in everything, including even planet descriptions in M1/3. Even if some calculations are true, for me at least, such "reasoning" is not a a source I can rely upon because of "mess". Thus use that logic in general. You use infromation from the game. Different opinions with explanations. To be fair, there are a few timestamps that contradict everything we hear (like, Shepard's sighting on Omega on 15th February 2185, which makes absolutely no sense) and this theory straight-up dismisses them. Before they launch misinformation after Sovereign, you know nothing about what their reaction will be. If the risk of things being shut down is an obstacle then why spread any information at all.
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Post by chonma on May 24, 2020 7:16:45 GMT
shooting big metallic balls fulls of husk doesn't seem that hard to me then, just stick few emetors to the quarians ships. yes, the council denied them few colonies, this is why i specifically talked about the terminus systems (because if you take a colony planet from an non-popular and really hated specie, like batarians or vorchas for exemple: no one in the council is gonna complain or moove a finger to change it, no one in the council would want to help a batarian or a vorcha colony) settling your homeland in an area full of militarly powerfull civilisations that work more or less together is difficult, but settling your homeland into a poor and weak area that big military powers doesn't care about is far easyer. We know from example they'd do if there was an option good enough to risk being targetable by orbital bombardment. I'm in a sad position of needing to find a way why it has to be impossible since the patterns of civilization emergence repeated themselves over millions of years and nothing but Leviathan succeeded yet at hiding. Might be that any large-scale activity just shows up with radio and heat emissions. also, 3 other possible options for quarrians: 1) make (without the concil knowing it, so, not official) a deal with humans (especially when you know that humans have a really expansionist attitude, and that mankind doesn't really respect the anti AI restriction ---> see the mission on the moon in ME1 ) and could for exemple trade a lot of tech advancments and AI/robotics tech, in exchange for the right to have a little living space one planets that humans are colonising 2) since mankind have a lack of people who are willing to live in the colonies (most of manking is still on earth) causing a lack of labor that slow down the colonies's development, quarrians could still try to negociate (officially) with mankind: the right to live in the human colonies alongside humans, but in exchange they do work in the development of theese colonies. (basically, something similar to what can be done beetween different countries on earth: gain an residence permit, even maybe the citizenship through working and paying your taxes on the said territory) 3) keep the fleet in orbit around a sun, and exploit the energy (through covering their ships with solar pannels for exemple) and sell the energy to whoever live in the system. as for the difficulty to hide, i tend to think that if few protheans in stasis + few prothean IVs + the leviathan + the plans of the death-star (i don't got the english therm cuz i's called "creuset" in french) + few data storage units at different points on the galaxy + the dead corpse of different extinct species that reached space-age (i have read the majority of the planet 's descripitons, and on some it's mentionned that some ape-like lifeform that mastered space-travel where living on theese planets, and that they got extinct, but a lot of dead corpse + their spacesuits remained trapped in snow/ice and in ruins) + an dead reaper (there's a plot quest in ME2 where you do explore a dead reaper) managed to stayed hidden for reaper's surveillance... then an smart specie like the geth that, technologically, is quite advanced [in MEA they even mention during some lore stuff that the andromeda initiative has been made possible thanks to observations tooling based on geth-tech that allowed the milky-way scientist to see andromeda without as much latency as light would] could probably find a way to stay hidden too (especially since, being synthetic they do have far less constraints to stay operationnal for long than organics, meaning that to keep few geth in "stasis" you would not even need a real bunker with real stasis capsules, just a deep, hidden hole in the ground, put the geth into it, and let them in "sleep" mode for few centuries)
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