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Post by shotgunjulia on Dec 15, 2021 9:55:19 GMT
I finished ME1... again... and I've come to the conclusion that Saren was the best antagonist of the entire series: better than Harbinger; better than The Illusive Man.
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Post by Blast Processor on Dec 24, 2021 4:34:49 GMT
I finally decided to do a playthrough with my Femshep I created at launch. I always use the Soldier class in ME1 with a Femshep, she looks a little too scrawny in light armor in my opinion, so heavy armor it is! I would prefer not choosing a bonus on Soldier characters, but I ended up choosing Barrier, to make up for the Immunity nerf. Immunity and Barrier, Shepard is now Wrex! I did the Lorik Qui'in glitch for the first time. I never did it before because I thought it would interfere with my roleplay, and it kinda does, but I don't do many Femshep runs so I wanted all options available. I might do a new game plus at some point also. If I was ever aware that Femshep can turn Kaidan renegade I had long since forgotten, and that's what I ended up doing. It was a blast! Also, I left Wrex in Chora's Den. I threw some of the scenes into a video. Also made a GIF.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Dec 24, 2021 15:14:43 GMT
I finally got around to doing something I have never done since first playing mass effect on the xbox 360 in 2007. I romanced Kaidan with femshep, and finished ME3's citadel dlc. I still have the last 3rd of the game to complete. The Kaidan/femshep romance is shaping up to be my favorite in the series and will likely become my "canon" unless the relationship takes a nose drive in terms of writing before I finish ME3.
Playing through the citadel dlc today really sold me on the romance. Kaidan's scene is just about perfect, with him cooking for femshep and the fliration between them. It really highlights how much more attention was given to Kaidan vs Ash in terms of writing and development. Man do I miss the Ash of ME1, but Kaidan really stole my femshep's heart.
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Post by Blast Processor on Dec 24, 2021 22:15:24 GMT
I finally got around to doing something I have never done since first playing mass effect on the xbox 360 in 2007. I romanced Kaidan with femshep, and finished ME3's citadel dlc. I still have the last 3rd of the game to complete. The Kaidan/femshep romance is shaping up to be my favorite in the series and will likely become my "canon" unless the relationship takes a nose drive in terms of writing before I finish ME3. Playing through the citadel dlc today really sold me on the romance. Kaidan's scene is just about perfect, with him cooking for femshep and the fliration between them. It really highlights how much more attention was given to Kaidan vs Ash in terms of writing and development. Man do I miss the Ash of ME1, but Kaidan really stole my femshep's heart. I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that by ME3, Kaidan and Garrus were literally the only hetero romanceable dude's left for Femshep. I went with the Renegade Kaidan romance in ME1, and I really enjoyed it.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Dec 29, 2021 1:21:01 GMT
I recommended Mass Effect Andromeda: Nexus Uprising to Anson Mount (who plays Captain Pike on the second season of Star Trek: Discovery and upcoming spin-off show Star Trek: Strange New Worlds) who wanted to read a sci-fi novel where the politics are light and there was no space monarchies on Twitter today. Doubt he read it he got a lot of replies. But hey you never know.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2021 7:00:43 GMT
Wrex is such a romantic.
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Post by melbella on Dec 31, 2021 16:42:26 GMT
i finally got the legendary edition and i'm having a blast replaying ME1. the visual improvements are so beautiful and i love the new photo mode
ME1 has some beautiful vistas and space shots.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 1, 2022 15:07:19 GMT
Wrex is such a romantic. Wow. In 5 years I've never seen that dialogue.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 20:33:14 GMT
Wow. In 5 years I've never seen that dialogue. Same thing for me and the rachni songs. Didn't know they existed until a month or so ago. Heard one for the first time myself just now. Here's me perched on a little mountain trying to hear it. Lightly modded ME1, not MELE, in case anyone's curious. Turned off the music so I could hear em better. Sharjila location.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Jan 8, 2022 15:24:25 GMT
Well I finally started my Sheploo/Miranda LE play through. I was putting it off hoping the Miranda MOD will get ported over in some form. The release of a new ending mod for LE gave me enough incentive to play through my favorite romance. In the new mod Shepard's love interest will find him/her on the Citadel after the Crucible fires and appear with Shepard at the memorial wall if you have high enough EMS. I am currently in the middle of ME2. I am going with a Ash>Miranda>Miranda romance. I figure it plays into why Ash starts drinking so heavily and how she flirts with James so blatantly during the party. Shepard and Miranda, along with my favorite Asari in the series:
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Post by lordmoral on Jan 8, 2022 19:10:47 GMT
Well I finally started my Sheploo/Miranda LE play through. I was putting it off hoping the Miranda MOD will get ported over in some form. The release of a new ending mod for LE, gave me enough incentive to play through my favorite romance. In the new mod Shepard's love interest will find him/her on the Citadel after the Crucible fires and appear with Shepard at the memorial wall if you have high enough EMS. I am currently in the middle of ME2. I am going with a Ash>Miranda>Miranda romance. I figure it plays into why Ash starts drinking so heavily and how she flirts with James so blatantly during the party. Shepard and Miranda, along with my favorite Asari in the series: There should have been discussions with Ashley Williams even if you stayed loyal but, Bioware applied the rush to her character development as well.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Jan 10, 2022 13:18:17 GMT
I just realized something after turning down Tali in ME2 during my Miranda romance playthrough. Tali getting drunk and being upset in regards to Miranda and how Miranda stood up to her father never really landed well for me in ME3. Tali getting drunk over how "perfect" Miranda is and Shepard reuniting with her while facing down Henry Lawson, I can see that. Also Tali knowing that Miranda "staked her claim" on Shepard in Normandy's engineering adds a bit more weight to it. Gotta get blitzed to blackout the memory that her work area was....."christened".
New head canon: Miranda winning Shepard's heart tends to drive the competition to heavy drinking.
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Post by lordmoral on Jan 11, 2022 14:11:39 GMT
I just realized something after turning down Tali in ME2 during my Miranda romance playthrough. Tali getting drunk and being upset in regards to Miranda and how Miranda stood up to her father never really landed well for me in ME3. Tali getting drunk over how "perfect" Miranda is and Shepard reuniting with her while facing down Henry Lawson, I can see that. Also Tali knowing that Miranda "staked her claim" on Shepard in Normandy's engineering adds a bit more weight to it. Gotta get blitzed to blackout the memory that her work area was....."christened". New head canon: Miranda winning Shepard's heart tends to drive the competition to heavy drinking. What of Bioware wrote those two drunk scenes for that but then forgot to add an additional one.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Jan 11, 2022 15:18:19 GMT
I just realized something after turning down Tali in ME2 during my Miranda romance playthrough. Tali getting drunk and being upset in regards to Miranda and how Miranda stood up to her father never really landed well for me in ME3. Tali getting drunk over how "perfect" Miranda is and Shepard reuniting with her while facing down Henry Lawson, I can see that. Also Tali knowing that Miranda "staked her claim" on Shepard in Normandy's engineering adds a bit more weight to it. Gotta get blitzed to blackout the memory that her work area was....."christened". New head canon: Miranda winning Shepard's heart tends to drive the competition to heavy drinking. What of Bioware wrote those two drunk scenes for that but then forgot to add an additional one. I have a fanfic idea I have been brainstorming set right after after Horizon with a possible stop to extract Jack and her squad from a battle or such. It involves both Ash, and Tali getting drunk together in the lounge, with Jack encouraging the two to drink and bitch about the "cheerleader". Shepard walks in on the scene after spending time with Miranda in his cabin. He asks "What is this?" seeing that Ash and Tali are nearly passed out. Jack answers "I started an insult the cheerleader drinking game." As Shepard moves to make his escape he responds with, "Ah." Jack quickly asks Shepard with an evil grin, "Are the cheerleader's tits as great as they appear?", Ash lets out a drunken "Oh god, no...", and Shepard deciding to try and one up Jack responds, "I prefer all her ASSets." As the door closes behind him, he hears Ash say, "I am gonna need another bottle.", and Tali follows that with "I think I just threw up in my helmet."
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Post by saandrig on Jan 12, 2022 11:27:45 GMT
Slapped some LE mods and went to do another trilogy run. First time I use the default Femshep. Still not too fond of the face, but I play her as mostly Renegade, so she will look like a terminator by ME2. Finally will complete the Garrus romance. I have an old save where I never got to Earth with the romance active, but stopped at the Citadel DLC.
I enjoy so much the Avalanche/High Explosive Ammo combo in ME1. Fly, people, fly! And it looks like I will finish the entire thing with everything collected/done in less than 25 hours. Which is pretty ok for ME1 as I don't like it as much as the other two games. Would actually like a mod that adds all the collectibles (and their money/XP) by just landing on the planets. Would be about as good as the savegame editor. Also my first full Sentinel run in a single PT. Never much cared for the class and in ME1 and ME2 it definitely isn't a highlight.
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Post by dazk on Jan 12, 2022 23:35:46 GMT
Slapped some LE mods and went to do another trilogy run. First time I use the default Femshep. Still not too fond of the face, but I play her as mostly Renegade, so she will look like a terminator by ME2. Finally will complete the Garrus romance. I have an old save where I never got to Earth with the romance active, but stopped at the Citadel DLC.
I enjoy so much the Avalanche/High Explosive Ammo combo in ME1. Fly, people, fly! And it looks like I will finish the entire thing with everything collected/done in less than 25 hours. Which is pretty ok for ME1 as I don't like it as much as the other two games. Would actually like a mod that adds all the collectibles (and their money/XP) by just landing on the planets. Would be about as good as the savegame editor. Also my first full Sentinel run in a single PT. Never much cared for the class and in ME1 and ME2 it definitely isn't a highlight.
That would be a great mod. I can never use Femshep default, she just looks weird. I did my only MET Insanity run as a Sentinel, I love it but you're right it isn't the best in ME 1 but it gets better every game in MET and MEA it is my favourite profile.
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Post by lordmoral on Jan 13, 2022 7:51:54 GMT
What of Bioware wrote those two drunk scenes for that but then forgot to add an additional one. I have a fanfic idea I have been brainstorming set right after after Horizon with a possible stop to extract Jack and her squad from a battle or such. It involves both Ash, and Tali getting drunk together in the lounge, with Jack encouraging the two to drink and bitch about the "cheerleader". Shepard walks in on the scene after spending time with Miranda in his cabin. He asks "What is this?" seeing that Ash and Tali are nearly passed out. Jack answers "I started an insult the cheerleader drinking game." As Shepard moves to make his escape he responds with, "Ah." Jack quickly asks Shepard with an evil grin, "Are the cheerleader's tits as great as they appear?", Ash lets out a drunken "Oh god, no...", and Shepard deciding to try and one up Jack responds, "I prefer all her ASSets." As the door closes behind him, he hears Ash say, "I am gonna need another bottle.", and Tali follows that with "I think I just threw up in my helmet." Good story, but to be honest that scene on Horizon was horribly written. I tend to bring in Miranda and Garrus so as to when Ashley hears the name Cerberus it is from her with Shepard giving her this WTH look (she likely did that to destroy Shepard trust with the VS to ensure there was little anchors as possible (Garrus was a fluke discovery when we found him). I would have loved to be able to either say some words or not and if we did then we would interrupt A/K as they were hit with the news as she mentioned she knew Shepard was alive thanks to reports: "What reports and who started them?" A: "Intel from a tip." S: "Which was the route of the original comms?" A: ____ S: "Ashley which one said I was alive in reality and how old are these reports?" A: "I don't understand, and why are you so shocked anyway?" S: "Did Tali got a hold of the SA after a few weeks running into her on Freedom.Progress?" A: "You saw Tali and, what are you implying?"
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 13, 2022 20:22:35 GMT
Slapped some LE mods and went to do another trilogy run. First time I use the default Femshep. Still not too fond of the face, but I play her as mostly Renegade, so she will look like a terminator by ME2. Finally will complete the Garrus romance. I have an old save where I never got to Earth with the romance active, but stopped at the Citadel DLC.
I enjoy so much the Avalanche/High Explosive Ammo combo in ME1. Fly, people, fly! And it looks like I will finish the entire thing with everything collected/done in less than 25 hours. Which is pretty ok for ME1 as I don't like it as much as the other two games. Would actually like a mod that adds all the collectibles (and their money/XP) by just landing on the planets. Would be about as good as the savegame editor. Also my first full Sentinel run in a single PT. Never much cared for the class and in ME1 and ME2 it definitely isn't a highlight.
That would be a great mod. I can never use Femshep default, she just looks weird. I did my only MET Insanity run as a Sentinel, I love it but you're right it isn't the best in ME 1 but it gets better every game in MET and MEA it is my favourite profile. Yeah it's not my favouriet clas sas I find it a bit too defensive for my liking. I kind of lik ethe lift grenade power in ME3 but othe than that i doesn't work as wel for me a sother classes. I'm planning on making m ynex tShep a Senmtinel thoug hfo rwhen I nex go through the trilogy.
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Post by RedCaesar97 on Jan 14, 2022 14:43:20 GMT
That would be a great mod. I can never use Femshep default, she just looks weird. I did my only MET Insanity run as a Sentinel, I love it but you're right it isn't the best in ME 1 but it gets better every game in MET and MEA it is my favourite profile. Yeah it's not my favouriet clas sas I find it a bit too defensive for my liking. I kind of lik ethe lift grenade power in ME3 but othe than that i doesn't work as wel for me a sother classes. I'm planning on making m ynex tShep a Senmtinel thoug hfo rwhen I nex go through the trilogy. Sentinel is only defensive early-game in ME2 until you max Tech Armor (to Assault Armor) and class passive (to Guardian) and get the Tech Cooldown upgrade. Then the Sentinel becomes a walking hand grenade that can be a rush-down close-quarters combatant. In ME3, the Sentinel is kind of a better Adept than the actual Adept.
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Post by masseffectfanforlife on Jan 18, 2022 1:25:44 GMT
What do you think? :/
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 18, 2022 20:50:16 GMT
Yeah it's not my favouriet clas sas I find it a bit too defensive for my liking. I kind of lik ethe lift grenade power in ME3 but othe than that i doesn't work as wel for me a sother classes. I'm planning on making m ynex tShep a Senmtinel thoug hfo rwhen I nex go through the trilogy. Sentinel is only defensive early-game in ME2 until you max Tech Armor (to Assault Armor) and class passive (to Guardian) and get the Tech Cooldown upgrade. Then the Sentinel becomes a walking hand grenade that can be a rush-down close-quarters combatant. In ME3, the Sentinel is kind of a better Adept than the actual Adept. I thin kit reall ydepensd on how you spec and play though with th eway I play Sentinel works best if I keep it defensive. But tbh I prefer Adept a lot more
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jan 21, 2022 21:12:08 GMT
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I’ve reached the point where Virmire is the next Mission, and I’ve been advised to do as many Assignments as I can (be bothered) doing. Not sure if it’s because Virmire is the Point Of No Return, or if it’s just difficult, but either way…
Finished up a few more Assignments last night, most notably the Garrus mission to hunt down the organ harvesting salarian and the out of control biotics who wanted reparations for the experiments done on them.
Headed back to the Citadel where some clown insisted on inspecting the Normandy. He had heavy Do You Know Who I Am energy, but was no match for a Shepard with maxed Charm. Then had to talk down an escaped slave from killing/hurting herself. Again, full points in charm made it pretty easy.
Picked up the achievement for ‘doing things’ with Garrus, which means just Tali is left. I think I need to get Garrus into heavier armour, though, because he’s always taking naps during fights, while Tali is there till the bitter end.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2022 0:09:07 GMT
After my little hiatus I fired ME1 back up last night. That was after some exceptionally great smelling green and a few ciders/witbeirs though... I find myself loading into the random maze that is halfway through Feros. I did some "circulatory" exploration involving a couple trips to the same places. Luckily, I managed to get everything figured out and back on progress this morning and just sniped the Thorian. Decided to leave Shiala alive and kept all the colonists alive with gas grenades and a couple pistol-whips. Pretty sure the guy I hit in the head and went flying 3 meters back over a crate probably shouldn't count towards that. But hey, paraplegic is still alive right? +2 Paragon points. I think that sets me up for Virmire now too, IIRC. Already got Liara. Noveria I did first after I explored everything. I love bombing around in the mako early game sniping from a hill away. I'm nominally playing a Renegade using Intimidate but I'm making a lot of Paragon choices lately. I would've liked a few more Renegade options that didn't devolve to xenophobia. Playing a hard-line officer that'll kill a few people to save a lot. But similarly, he'll work with any one or thing to accomplish his goals. I'm also noticing this time round how often Cerberus shows up in the first game. Like I said I did all the side-quests and planetary exploration I could before visiting the main missions. It's probably just because I'm paying attention to it but I didn't really notice how active they were before. Feros just gave me two cerb assignments too, IIRC. Makes me wonder if they ever worked with Saren without realizing it. Contracted out services for an anonymous client or something. Pretty happy with how it's going, got dinner with some family then I think I'll settle in and grind out some more. Been looking forward to some ME2 with Mordin, Thane, and Legion. Using Wrex and Garrus this time, which I tend to use a lot tbf. Wrex is a favourite of mine. I just have a hard time using the other companions. Particularly in ME1 the rest seem irritating or immature. (Or both.)
Not much further to ME2 though, and I am enjoying seeing the story again. Lots of stuff I've forgotten in the haze of ME3MP.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 22, 2022 0:53:25 GMT
ME1LE I’ve reached the point where Virmire is the next Mission, and I’ve been advised to do as many Assignments as I can (be bothered) doing. Not sure if it’s because Virmire is the Point Of No Return, or if it’s just difficult, but either way…Finished up a few more Assignments last night, most notably the Garrus mission to hunt down the organ harvesting salarian and the out of control biotics who wanted reparations for the experiments done on them. Headed back to the Citadel where some clown insisted on inspecting the Normandy. He had heavy Do You Know Who I Am energy, but was no match for a Shepard with maxed Charm. Then had to talk down an escaped slave from killing/hurting herself. Again, full points in charm made it pretty easy. Picked up the achievement for ‘doing things’ with Garrus, which means just Tali is left. I think I need to get Garrus into heavier armour, though, because he’s always taking naps during fights, while Tali is there till the bitter end. It's not a point of no return exactly but it's kind of a mission that influences how your playthrough ensd up shapimng up s ot ospeak without giving anything away. You'll kno wwha tI mean by that when you play it
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