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Post by raikas on May 16, 2017 15:47:01 GMT
Hate to beat the proverbial dead horse, but Carver took another low blow in Legacy... "Father made the same mistake twice", he said, when referring to him not wanting magic children... Now, on one hand, you can take this as Carver merely saying that the mistake is that his two sisters turned out to be mages. However, the other way one could perceive this statement would be quite upsetting too - calling the birth of his two siblings, one of whom was dead, a mistake. He doesn't say "mistake" though, he says "Father got that wrong twice over" and it's specifically in response to Malcolm's memory saying to their mother "I hope it takes after you. I would wish this magic on no one". I think it reads more as him being surprised to hear that his own lack of magic was what their father wished for, especially because he has that earlier comment about their father spending more time with mage Hawke and Bethany.
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Post by ryderflynn on May 16, 2017 16:43:40 GMT
Hate to beat the proverbial dead horse, but Carver took another low blow in Legacy... "Father made the same mistake twice", he said, when referring to him not wanting magic children... Now, on one hand, you can take this as Carver merely saying that the mistake is that his two sisters turned out to be mages. However, the other way one could perceive this statement would be quite upsetting too - calling the birth of his two siblings, one of whom was dead, a mistake. He doesn't say "mistake" though, he says "Father got that wrong twice over" and it's specifically in response to Malcolm's memory saying to their mother "I hope it takes after you. I would wish this magic on no one". I think it reads more as him being surprised to hear that his own lack of magic was what their father wished for, especially because he has that earlier comment about their father spending more time with mage Hawke and Bethany. True, but I still feel like it depends on who is reading that context. For my mage-Hawke, spending time with a brother who constantly curses the magical aspect of his siblings doesn't really help much when he says something like that. Wouldn't be surprising if Hawke read that wrong. And honestly, with that kind of tense relationship between the two, "wrong" and "mistake" were very interchangeable and easily misinterpreted.
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Post by sugarless on May 23, 2017 23:50:37 GMT
Carver. During my last playthough, Carver the warden, truly redeems himself during the final act.
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Post by Exile Isan on May 24, 2017 4:26:57 GMT
Carver. I like Bethany but the difference between her and Carver is like the difference between ketchup and hot sauce. One has a whole lot more spice to it.
Also Carver is my favorite DA character. I loved dragging him, Fenris, and Varric around. So disappointed you lose him after chapter 1.
Oh, well I still get to take him through Legacy.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jun 11, 2017 12:34:07 GMT
Bethany's a sweetheart, but I like Carver better - I love the difficult relationship he has with his mage sibling. I made him a Warden and loved seeing him develop as a man over the course of the game. His return at the end was one of my favourite parts of the game and I thought he was really good in Legacy as well (played that right before The Last Straw). One of my favourite companions, for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 12:36:55 GMT
Bethany's a sweetheart, but I like Carver better - I love the difficult relationship he has with his mage sibling. I made him a Warden and loved seeing him develop as a man over the course of the game. His return at the end was one of my favourite parts of the game and I thought he was really good in Legacy as well (played that right before The Last Straw). One of my favourite companions, for sure. Should've played Legacy in Act 2, it has an additional scene with Leandra
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jun 11, 2017 12:42:55 GMT
Bethany's a sweetheart, but I like Carver better - I love the difficult relationship he has with his mage sibling. I made him a Warden and loved seeing him develop as a man over the course of the game. His return at the end was one of my favourite parts of the game and I thought he was really good in Legacy as well (played that right before The Last Straw). One of my favourite companions, for sure. Should've played Legacy in Act 2, it has an additional scene with Leandra I didn't want to see Carver again so soon. It feels right somehow for them to be apart longer. Also, I liked having The Hawke's Key for the endgame.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 11, 2017 13:39:18 GMT
Bethany's a sweetheart, but I like Carver better - I love the difficult relationship he has with his mage sibling. I made him a Warden and loved seeing him develop as a man over the course of the game. His return at the end was one of my favourite parts of the game and I thought he was really good in Legacy as well (played that right before The Last Straw). One of my favourite companions, for sure. Should've played Legacy in Act 2, it has an additional scene with Leandra I think, I will try now. I usually do Legacy at the Act3, before the end game, but I'm curious to Leandra's dialogue.
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Post by phoray on Jun 11, 2017 14:08:48 GMT
Should've played Legacy in Act 2, it has an additional scene with Leandra I think, I will try now. I usually do Legacy at the Act3, before the end game, but I'm curious to Leandra's dialogue. Who doesn't need another reason to play DA2?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 14:58:38 GMT
Should've played Legacy in Act 2, it has an additional scene with Leandra I think, I will try now. I usually do Legacy at the Act3, before the end game, but I'm curious to Leandra's dialogue. And MotA makes more sense in act 3 if you were doing it in act 2 before. Since you go there as champion and all
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Post by Catilina on Jun 11, 2017 15:36:48 GMT
I think, I will try now. I usually do Legacy at the Act3, before the end game, but I'm curious to Leandra's dialogue. And MotA makes more sense in act 3 if you were doing it in act 2 before. Since you go there as champion and all Hawke even can get invitation as noble. The Amell family is not really little one, and Hawke's luck perhaps interesting enough, so: there is makes sense even in Act2.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 19:20:36 GMT
And MotA makes more sense in act 3 if you were doing it in act 2 before. Since you go there as champion and all Hawke even can get invitation as noble. The Amell family is not really little one, and Hawke's luck perhaps interesting enough, so: there is makes sense even in Act2. If I'm not mistaken duke prosper was directly tied with Empress Celene so Hawke going there as champion really fits. Just try it it feels more natural for me
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jun 16, 2017 9:55:55 GMT
Bethany, no doubt. I like to feel responsible for her.
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Post by XJlock on Jul 1, 2017 0:06:47 GMT
Bethany since the dead cannot whine.
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Post by Sokemis on Aug 8, 2017 1:43:53 GMT
I like both, for different reasons. Bethany holds a slightly bigger place in my heart - probably b/c my canon Hawke was a rogue and the only reason she did anything for Meredith was to protect her circle-mage sister.
Now for my canon Hawke (Aenorea Maeve Hawke): - Who of the above siblings does she like better? Bethany - Who is her favorite sibling? Garrett (obviously headcanon here...) Garrett was the eldest Hawke sibling and died at Ostagar. He and Aenorea were so much alike, but in the "best" ways - especially in their fierce desire to protect their family and in the, rather questionable, sense of humor they inherited from Malcom (exhibit A, Malcom's the one that gave Hawke her first name...). Aenorea is purple/red whereas Garrett was purple/blue, so they balanced and complimented each other. - Don't want Junior to feel left out, what about Carver? I think the problem with Aenorea and Carver isn't as much that they are so different, but rather that they are so similar - but in the "worst" ways, mainly their stubbornness and tempers. This would lead them to continually clash with each other, with neither being willing to back down. (I do believe however believe that their relationship can be summed up by "I can, and will, kick my sibling's butt as much as I want - but Maker help the person that tries to hurt him/her".)
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Post by tacsear on Aug 8, 2017 18:44:37 GMT
Bethany is the better sibling but Carver is the better character (if he becomes a Grey Warden). Though Bethany makes Act 3 more organic for me so yes Bethany.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 8, 2017 19:00:38 GMT
Bethany is the better sibling but Carver is the better character (if he becomes a Grey Warden). Though Bethany makes Act 3 more organic for me so yes Bethany. Carver good character as Templar too. Just more grumpy, because disillusioned. I like this line, but he's not happy. Blame Aveline! As Grey Warden, he still blames his brother/sister, despite that he was who insist to join the expedition. I don't know, this is only in rivalry, or in friendship too, because I only once succeed to get the friend zone, but Hawke leaves him at home. To be honest, Carver more fun as rival, but once I will try the friendship... Bethay as Circle Mage very good. Before I had only one Warden Bethany, and I found her boring good girl. later as a grumpy boring good girl. But as Circle Mage, she's brilliant at the end.
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Post by tacsear on Aug 8, 2017 19:39:29 GMT
Bethany is the better sibling but Carver is the better character (if he becomes a Grey Warden). Though Bethany makes Act 3 more organic for me so yes Bethany. Carver good character as Templar too. Just more grumpy, because disillusioned. I like this line, but he's not happy. Blame Aveline! As Grey Warden, he still blames his brother/sister, despite that he was who insist to join the expedition. I don't know, this is only in rivalry, or in friendship too, because I only once succeed to get the friend zone, but Hawke leaves him at home. To be honest, Carver more fun as rival, but once I will try the friendship... Bethay as Circle Mage very good. Before I had only one Warden Bethany, and I found her boring good girl. later as a grumpy boring good girl. But as Circle Mage, she's brilliant at the end. Naah, he is the whining child he was in Act 1 if he is a Templar. He becomes a man in GW route though, and is very well written. He blames Hawke if he is a Warden as a kind of joke. He likes having a noble purpose and is kinda graetful for it. Carver is written for rivalary there is no real friendship with him.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Aug 8, 2017 19:47:57 GMT
Carver good character as Templar too. Just more grumpy, because disillusioned. I like this line, but he's not happy. Blame Aveline! As Grey Warden, he still blames his brother/sister, despite that he was who insist to join the expedition. I don't know, this is only in rivalry, or in friendship too, because I only once succeed to get the friend zone, but Hawke leaves him at home. To be honest, Carver more fun as rival, but once I will try the friendship... Bethay as Circle Mage very good. Before I had only one Warden Bethany, and I found her boring good girl. later as a grumpy boring good girl. But as Circle Mage, she's brilliant at the end. Naah, he is the whining child he was in Act 1 if he is a Templar. He becomes a man in GW route though, and is very well written. He blames Hawke if he is a Warden as a kind of joke. He likes having a noble purpose and is kinda graetful for it. Carver is written for rivalary there is no real friendship with him. Hawke's last conversation with Warden Carver is one of my favourite moments in the game : "In war, victory". I'd like to see Warden Bethany, but I like rogues and I'm not sure how I'd get past the rock wraith with no warrior.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 8, 2017 19:50:23 GMT
Naah, he is the whining child he was in Act 1 if he is a Templar. He becomes a man in GW route though, and is very well written. He blames Hawke if he is a Warden as a kind of joke. He likes having a noble purpose and is kinda graetful for it. Carver is written for rivalary there is no real friendship with him. Hawke's last conversation with Warden Carver is one of my favourite moments in the game : "In war, victory". I'd like to see Warden Bethany, but I like rogues and I'm not sure how I'd get past the rock wraith with no warrior. It was a long time ago, usually I make Carver Templar. I will see it now. On easy mode. But Bethany not that great as Warden, as I remember.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 8, 2017 20:02:49 GMT
Carver good character as Templar too. Just more grumpy, because disillusioned. I like this line, but he's not happy. Blame Aveline! As Grey Warden, he still blames his brother/sister, despite that he was who insist to join the expedition. I don't know, this is only in rivalry, or in friendship too, because I only once succeed to get the friend zone, but Hawke leaves him at home. To be honest, Carver more fun as rival, but once I will try the friendship... Bethay as Circle Mage very good. Before I had only one Warden Bethany, and I found her boring good girl. later as a grumpy boring good girl. But as Circle Mage, she's brilliant at the end. Naah, he is the whining child he was in Act 1 if he is a Templar. He becomes a man in GW route though, and is very well written. He blames Hawke if he is a Warden as a kind of joke. He likes having a noble purpose and is kinda graetful for it. Carver is written for rivalary there is no real friendship with him. After the Legacy, if Hawke found Malcolm's message, Carver' nice as Templar too. And I don't think, that he's whiny. He has a strong morality, just a bit naive and stubborn. Aveline doesn't trust him, and she's wrong.
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Post by tacsear on Aug 8, 2017 20:06:04 GMT
Naah, he is the whining child he was in Act 1 if he is a Templar. He becomes a man in GW route though, and is very well written. He blames Hawke if he is a Warden as a kind of joke. He likes having a noble purpose and is kinda graetful for it. Carver is written for rivalary there is no real friendship with him. After the Legacy, if Hawke found Malcolm's message, Carver' nice as Templar too. And I don't think, that he's whiny. He has a strong morality, just a bit naive and stubborn. Aveline doesn't trust him, and she's wrong. He IS whiny. That's his forté. He shows a bit of niceness true but it just cannot top Warden Carver. I wouldn't have trusted him as a guard if I was in Aveline's shoes
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Post by Catilina on Aug 8, 2017 20:14:31 GMT
After the Legacy, if Hawke found Malcolm's message, Carver' nice as Templar too. And I don't think, that he's whiny. He has a strong morality, just a bit naive and stubborn. Aveline doesn't trust him, and she's wrong. He IS whiny. That's his forté. He shows a bit of niceness true but it just cannot top Warden Carver. I wouldn't have trusted him as a guard if I was in Aveline's shoes Okay, okay, you won. This is yours (already was, but I love this):
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Post by tacsear on Aug 8, 2017 20:20:59 GMT
He IS whiny. That's his forté. He shows a bit of niceness true but it just cannot top Warden Carver. I wouldn't have trusted him as a guard if I was in Aveline's shoes Okay, okay, you won. This is yours (already was, but I love this): Niiiicce
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Post by pavellaning on Jun 7, 2018 1:50:45 GMT
Bethany, mostly because my default/canon Hawke is a Rogue.
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